The quiet rooms

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Anonymous wrote:That poster will have no idea what a PHP program is.


PHP = Partial Hospitalization Program. It's a full day program that offers support for people that might otherwise possibly need in patient hospitalization. It also can function as a step down/transition from in-patient hospitalization before re-integrating into family and community life.
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Anonymous wrote:So Illinois is not using the rooms as intended and that definitely should be corrected. But at that doesn’t mean they are abused everywhere. SN kids can’t hurt people, even their teachers. I can’t believe some parents are okay with that.


Who said it was ok?



We are talking about whether it's okay to hurt the child. Pushing the kid into a seclusion room is causing psychological danger and often also physical danger. Clearing a room is not intended to leave teachers to get injured. They should absolutely not be in danger's way and able to move around the room out of harm's way which will be safer than trying to force an out of control flailing child into a room/closet.


Again, the teacher and other students shouldn’t have to move “out of harms way” AT SCHOOL.


Plus 1.

The parents should be called to pick up their child when he/she is out of control.



Are parents of children with behavioral disabilities not allowed to have a job? Should they just wait around to pick up their child because their child is not receiving an appropriate education? Or should we just make a decision that these disabled children should just not get any education?


School is not daycare. We are reminded of this by DCUM every time we complain about bogus snow days. If a parent can’t get their kid’s behavior under control then yes they or the nanny or grandma or I don’t care who, need to come get the kid. This should not be the school’s job. And it’s incredibly expensive to tax payers. The county has to slash other budgets to cough up the money for all the extra staff to deal with these kids. A disproportional amount of money is spent on them and it’s not right.
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Anonymous wrote:So Illinois is not using the rooms as intended and that definitely should be corrected. But at that doesn’t mean they are abused everywhere. SN kids can’t hurt people, even their teachers. I can’t believe some parents are okay with that.


Who said it was ok?



We are talking about whether it's okay to hurt the child. Pushing the kid into a seclusion room is causing psychological danger and often also physical danger. Clearing a room is not intended to leave teachers to get injured. They should absolutely not be in danger's way and able to move around the room out of harm's way which will be safer than trying to force an out of control flailing child into a room/closet.


Again, the teacher and other students shouldn’t have to move “out of harms way” AT SCHOOL.


Plus 1.

The parents should be called to pick up their child when he/she is out of control.



Are parents of children with behavioral disabilities not allowed to have a job? Should they just wait around to pick up their child because their child is not receiving an appropriate education? Or should we just make a decision that these disabled children should just not get any education?


School is not daycare. We are reminded of this by DCUM every time we complain about bogus snow days. If a parent can’t get their kid’s behavior under control then yes they or the nanny or grandma or I don’t care who, need to come get the kid. This should not be the school’s job. And it’s incredibly expensive to tax payers. The county has to slash other budgets to cough up the money for all the extra staff to deal with these kids. A disproportional amount of money is spent on them and it’s not right.



Wow. Just wow. Karma is a bitch and you should be ready.
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Anonymous wrote:So Illinois is not using the rooms as intended and that definitely should be corrected. But at that doesn’t mean they are abused everywhere. SN kids can’t hurt people, even their teachers. I can’t believe some parents are okay with that.


Who said it was ok?



We are talking about whether it's okay to hurt the child. Pushing the kid into a seclusion room is causing psychological danger and often also physical danger. Clearing a room is not intended to leave teachers to get injured. They should absolutely not be in danger's way and able to move around the room out of harm's way which will be safer than trying to force an out of control flailing child into a room/closet.


Again, the teacher and other students shouldn’t have to move “out of harms way” AT SCHOOL.


Plus 1.

The parents should be called to pick up their child when he/she is out of control.



Are parents of children with behavioral disabilities not allowed to have a job? Should they just wait around to pick up their child because their child is not receiving an appropriate education? Or should we just make a decision that these disabled children should just not get any education?


School is not daycare. We are reminded of this by DCUM every time we complain about bogus snow days. If a parent can’t get their kid’s behavior under control then yes they or the nanny or grandma or I don’t care who, need to come get the kid. This should not be the school’s job. And it’s incredibly expensive to tax payers. The county has to slash other budgets to cough up the money for all the extra staff to deal with these kids. A disproportional amount of money is spent on them and it’s not right.



Wow. Just wow. Karma is a bitch and you should be ready.


Whatever. No one thinks this is the school’s job other than SN activist parents. And we all resent the money and resources it costs the school district. No one believes it’s fair for one class to have 30 kids and 1 teacher and another class to have 7 kids and 3 teachers.
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i love how you find out how people really feel on dcum
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:So Illinois is not using the rooms as intended and that definitely should be corrected. But at that doesn’t mean they are abused everywhere. SN kids can’t hurt people, even their teachers. I can’t believe some parents are okay with that.


Who said it was ok?



We are talking about whether it's okay to hurt the child. Pushing the kid into a seclusion room is causing psychological danger and often also physical danger. Clearing a room is not intended to leave teachers to get injured. They should absolutely not be in danger's way and able to move around the room out of harm's way which will be safer than trying to force an out of control flailing child into a room/closet.


Again, the teacher and other students shouldn’t have to move “out of harms way” AT SCHOOL.


Plus 1.

The parents should be called to pick up their child when he/she is out of control.



Are parents of children with behavioral disabilities not allowed to have a job? Should they just wait around to pick up their child because their child is not receiving an appropriate education? Or should we just make a decision that these disabled children should just not get any education?


School is not daycare. We are reminded of this by DCUM every time we complain about bogus snow days. If a parent can’t get their kid’s behavior under control then yes they or the nanny or grandma or I don’t care who, need to come get the kid. This should not be the school’s job. And it’s incredibly expensive to tax payers. The county has to slash other budgets to cough up the money for all the extra staff to deal with these kids. A disproportional amount of money is spent on them and it’s not right.


Don't worry, teachers aren't paid much.

I agree with previous posters, karma is a bitch! Disabilities can happen to anyone at any time. These kids are not behaving badly for fun, they behave this way because of their disabilities and mental illness.

Old people, disabled people, young people are still people and have the same rights as anyone else. If you don't like that, you can write to your congressperson to try to get the Disabilities Act revoked. That sounds like a nice way for you to spend the holidays.
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So Illinois is not using the rooms as intended and that definitely should be corrected. But at that doesn’t mean they are abused everywhere. SN kids can’t hurt people, even their teachers. I can’t believe some parents are okay with that.


Who said it was ok?



We are talking about whether it's okay to hurt the child. Pushing the kid into a seclusion room is causing psychological danger and often also physical danger. Clearing a room is not intended to leave teachers to get injured. They should absolutely not be in danger's way and able to move around the room out of harm's way which will be safer than trying to force an out of control flailing child into a room/closet.


Again, the teacher and other students shouldn’t have to move “out of harms way” AT SCHOOL.


Plus 1.

The parents should be called to pick up their child when he/she is out of control.



Are parents of children with behavioral disabilities not allowed to have a job? Should they just wait around to pick up their child because their child is not receiving an appropriate education? Or should we just make a decision that these disabled children should just not get any education?


School is not daycare. We are reminded of this by DCUM every time we complain about bogus snow days. If a parent can’t get their kid’s behavior under control then yes they or the nanny or grandma or I don’t care who, need to come get the kid. This should not be the school’s job. And it’s incredibly expensive to tax payers. The county has to slash other budgets to cough up the money for all the extra staff to deal with these kids. A disproportional amount of money is spent on them and it’s not right.



No, school is not a daycare. School is where we educate our youth- all youth- including immigrants, those disabled, and those with no money. We try to prepare ALL of our youth to be good future citizens. But maybe you forgot the goal of school?
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So Illinois is not using the rooms as intended and that definitely should be corrected. But at that doesn’t mean they are abused everywhere. SN kids can’t hurt people, even their teachers. I can’t believe some parents are okay with that.


Who said it was ok?



We are talking about whether it's okay to hurt the child. Pushing the kid into a seclusion room is causing psychological danger and often also physical danger. Clearing a room is not intended to leave teachers to get injured. They should absolutely not be in danger's way and able to move around the room out of harm's way which will be safer than trying to force an out of control flailing child into a room/closet.


Again, the teacher and other students shouldn’t have to move “out of harms way” AT SCHOOL.


Plus 1.

The parents should be called to pick up their child when he/she is out of control.



Are parents of children with behavioral disabilities not allowed to have a job? Should they just wait around to pick up their child because their child is not receiving an appropriate education? Or should we just make a decision that these disabled children should just not get any education?


School is not daycare. We are reminded of this by DCUM every time we complain about bogus snow days. If a parent can’t get their kid’s behavior under control then yes they or the nanny or grandma or I don’t care who, need to come get the kid. This should not be the school’s job. And it’s incredibly expensive to tax payers. The county has to slash other budgets to cough up the money for all the extra staff to deal with these kids. A disproportional amount of money is spent on them and it’s not right.


Don't worry, teachers aren't paid much.

I agree with previous posters, karma is a bitch! Disabilities can happen to anyone at any time. These kids are not behaving badly for fun, they behave this way because of their disabilities and mental illness.

Old people, disabled people, young people are still people and have the same rights as anyone else. If you don't like that, you can write to your congressperson to try to get the Disabilities Act revoked. That sounds like a nice way for you to spend the holidays.


And if my kid got cancer or any other disability or mental illness I would NOT expect the school to treat it.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So Illinois is not using the rooms as intended and that definitely should be corrected. But at that doesn’t mean they are abused everywhere. SN kids can’t hurt people, even their teachers. I can’t believe some parents are okay with that.


Who said it was ok?



We are talking about whether it's okay to hurt the child. Pushing the kid into a seclusion room is causing psychological danger and often also physical danger. Clearing a room is not intended to leave teachers to get injured. They should absolutely not be in danger's way and able to move around the room out of harm's way which will be safer than trying to force an out of control flailing child into a room/closet.


Again, the teacher and other students shouldn’t have to move “out of harms way” AT SCHOOL.


Plus 1.

The parents should be called to pick up their child when he/she is out of control.



Are parents of children with behavioral disabilities not allowed to have a job? Should they just wait around to pick up their child because their child is not receiving an appropriate education? Or should we just make a decision that these disabled children should just not get any education?


School is not daycare. We are reminded of this by DCUM every time we complain about bogus snow days. If a parent can’t get their kid’s behavior under control then yes they or the nanny or grandma or I don’t care who, need to come get the kid. This should not be the school’s job. And it’s incredibly expensive to tax payers. The county has to slash other budgets to cough up the money for all the extra staff to deal with these kids. A disproportional amount of money is spent on them and it’s not right.


Don't worry, teachers aren't paid much.

I agree with previous posters, karma is a bitch! Disabilities can happen to anyone at any time. These kids are not behaving badly for fun, they behave this way because of their disabilities and mental illness.

Old people, disabled people, young people are still people and have the same rights as anyone else. If you don't like that, you can write to your congressperson to try to get the Disabilities Act revoked. That sounds like a nice way for you to spend the holidays.


And if my kid got cancer or any other disability or mental illness I would NOT expect the school to treat it.



No- you'd expect the hospital to treat it and the schools to educate your child. However, in our country, they have passed mental health onto the schools and are not treating the kids at the hospitals. Good try, though.
Anonymous
School to prison pipeline in action.
Anonymous
To the PP I just want to make sure I understand. You think it would be fine to tell the parent to treat the cancer patient at home with no school or hospital help? Because it sounds like that is what you are suggesting.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So Illinois is not using the rooms as intended and that definitely should be corrected. But at that doesn’t mean they are abused everywhere. SN kids can’t hurt people, even their teachers. I can’t believe some parents are okay with that.


Who said it was ok?



We are talking about whether it's okay to hurt the child. Pushing the kid into a seclusion room is causing psychological danger and often also physical danger. Clearing a room is not intended to leave teachers to get injured. They should absolutely not be in danger's way and able to move around the room out of harm's way which will be safer than trying to force an out of control flailing child into a room/closet.


Again, the teacher and other students shouldn’t have to move “out of harms way” AT SCHOOL.


Plus 1.

The parents should be called to pick up their child when he/she is out of control.



Are parents of children with behavioral disabilities not allowed to have a job? Should they just wait around to pick up their child because their child is not receiving an appropriate education? Or should we just make a decision that these disabled children should just not get any education?


School is not daycare. We are reminded of this by DCUM every time we complain about bogus snow days. If a parent can’t get their kid’s behavior under control then yes they or the nanny or grandma or I don’t care who, need to come get the kid. This should not be the school’s job. And it’s incredibly expensive to tax payers. The county has to slash other budgets to cough up the money for all the extra staff to deal with these kids. A disproportional amount of money is spent on them and it’s not right.


Don't worry, teachers aren't paid much.

I agree with previous posters, karma is a bitch! Disabilities can happen to anyone at any time. These kids are not behaving badly for fun, they behave this way because of their disabilities and mental illness.

Old people, disabled people, young people are still people and have the same rights as anyone else. If you don't like that, you can write to your congressperson to try to get the Disabilities Act revoked. That sounds like a nice way for you to spend the holidays.


And if my kid got cancer or any other disability or mental illness I would NOT expect the school to treat it.


Children who have cancer still have the right to an education don't they? Or do you consider them a lost cause, that you don't want any tax dollars to pay for?

I really, really hope you don't have children.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:To the PP I just want to make sure I understand. You think it would be fine to tell the parent to treat the cancer patient at home with no school or hospital help? Because it sounds like that is what you are suggesting.


If your child had cancer and was in the hospital, you would be at their side constantly for treatment. You would not expect the hospital staff to handle it. You would want to see for yourself that the appropriate treatment was being delivered and your child was being treated kindly. You would not go attend a work meeting while your child is getting a radiation treatment or bone marrow transplant. So the two are obviously not the same if it is unreasonable for you to be at school all day while your child is attempting to harm himself or others.
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Anonymous wrote:To the PP I just want to make sure I understand. You think it would be fine to tell the parent to treat the cancer patient at home with no school or hospital help? Because it sounds like that is what you are suggesting.


If your child had cancer and was in the hospital, you would be at their side constantly for treatment. You would not expect the hospital staff to handle it. You would want to see for yourself that the appropriate treatment was being delivered and your child was being treated kindly. You would not go attend a work meeting while your child is getting a radiation treatment or bone marrow transplant. So the two are obviously not the same if it is unreasonable for you to be at school all day while your child is attempting to harm himself or others.


I would say it's more like an epileptic attack than cancer. If a child has a seizure in school, we expect the school to handle it. It is expected that the parents would have provided appropriate medication and knowledge transfer to the teacher and nurse. It would not be expected that the parent be on premises just in case the child had an attack in order to handle it. If the child's seizures were beyond what the staff could handle, we would expect the school system to find a way to provide FAPE. For many of the SN children, that placement is a non public placement. For either medical or behavioral issues that require a different placement, there has to be a lot of documentation as to why the LRE is not appropriate and the child needs a different placement. It is not a quick process.
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Anonymous wrote:To the PP I just want to make sure I understand. You think it would be fine to tell the parent to treat the cancer patient at home with no school or hospital help? Because it sounds like that is what you are suggesting.


If your child had cancer and was in the hospital, you would be at their side constantly for treatment. You would not expect the hospital staff to handle it. You would want to see for yourself that the appropriate treatment was being delivered and your child was being treated kindly. You would not go attend a work meeting while your child is getting a radiation treatment or bone marrow transplant. So the two are obviously not the same if it is unreasonable for you to be at school all day while your child is attempting to harm himself or others.


Attending school is not a "treatment." It's something that all children are entitled to. Heck, schools are even legally obligated to educate people who aren't nice people- like people who think that disabled kids aren't worthy of education. You were allowed to attend school, right?

If a school day is 8 hours and it is possible that your child may have a 10 minute event during the day, is it reasonable to ask that a parent sits outside the classroom waiting for the tantrum to happen? What if the parent works? Should we ask the parent to quit his job and go on welfare so he can be available in case that 10 minute tantrum happens? Is it better to pay all those parents welfare?

You have a lot of criticisms but no actual solutions.





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