I'm telling my kids to go to the UK for undergrad

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Also you really do not seem to grasp what the PP is saying. These UK graduates hold successful careers, in subjects they did not major in. The UK still seem to be doing not too badly. They have a depth of knowledge in their fields, a capacity for analysis and problem solving that they are able to transfer to their careers in law, economics, journalism, etc...

Broad exposure to a number of fields means a generalist approach resulting in a mediocre grasp and understanding of the subject. Jack of all trades, master of none.

And as I said before, this is why a UK educated person I know said it seems like a UK undergrad is equivalent to getting a graduate degree in the US in terms of depth of knowledge in their field.

[Anonymous]

for whites and asians who feel rightly hard-done by t25 college admissions and 'holistic bs', this is a good avenue to explore.

oxbridge, lse, ucl, kcl, imperial - all top notch with none of the racial BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:for whites and asians who feel rightly hard-done by t25 college admissions and 'holistic bs', this is a good avenue to explore.

oxbridge, lse, ucl, kcl, imperial - all top notch with none of the racial BS.

And all hard as hell to get into.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:for whites and asians who feel rightly hard-done by t25 college admissions and 'holistic bs', this is a good avenue to explore.

oxbridge, lse, ucl, kcl, imperial - all top notch with none of the racial BS.

More important, none of the legacy bs. I would be more worried about the rich idiots in US universities that got there through connections...
also, no sports scholarships.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:for whites and asians who feel rightly hard-done by t25 college admissions and 'holistic bs', this is a good avenue to explore.

oxbridge, lse, ucl, kcl, imperial - all top notch with none of the racial BS.

More important, none of the legacy bs. I would be more worried about the rich idiots in US universities that got there through connections...
also, no sports scholarships.

No affirmative action BS, no legacies, no sports. Sounds like, university heaven!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:for whites and asians who feel rightly hard-done by t25 college admissions and 'holistic bs', this is a good avenue to explore.

oxbridge, lse, ucl, kcl, imperial - all top notch with none of the racial BS.

And all hard as hell to get into.

I got into LSE in 2002 - I believe a strong unhooked candidate for the Hopkins, Georgetown, Carnegie Mellon, Vandy, Northwestern (15-25 range) type schools would have a very strong chance at UCL, KCL, and Imperial (and probably LSE) today.

I agree with you that oxbridge would be a different level.

[Anonymous]

Durham, Exeter and Lancs while you're at it. Manchester is great for biz & engineering UMIST. York is superb for undergraduate teaching especially for PPE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:for whites and asians who feel rightly hard-done by t25 college admissions and 'holistic bs', this is a good avenue to explore.

oxbridge, lse, ucl, kcl, imperial - all top notch with none of the racial BS.

More important, none of the legacy bs. I would be more worried about the rich idiots in US universities that got there through connections...
also, no sports scholarships.

No affirmative action BS, no legacies, no sports. Sounds like, university heaven!

Really? I guess we have really different visions of what heaven (and/or a great university) looks like.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/blighty/2013/08/oxbridge-admissions
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/aug/14/oxford-university-private-a-level

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:for whites and asians who feel rightly hard-done by t25 college admissions and 'holistic bs', this is a good avenue to explore.

oxbridge, lse, ucl, kcl, imperial - all top notch with none of the racial BS.

More important, none of the legacy bs. I would be more worried about the rich idiots in US universities that got there through connections...
also, no sports scholarships.

No affirmative action BS, no legacies, no sports. Sounds like, university heaven!

Really? I guess we have really different visions of what heaven (and/or a great university) looks like.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/blighty/2013/08/oxbridge-admissions
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/aug/14/oxford-university-private-a-level

it is no where near as egregious and blatant as ivies.

[Anonymous]

3200 undergrad spots per year and, under pressure, Oxford managed to admit 32 black students in 2011 -- a ten year high.

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2011/dec/18/black-students-oxford-university-rises
http://www.ox.ac.uk/about/facts-and-figures/admissions-statistics

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:3200 undergrad spots per year and, under pressure, Oxford managed to admit 32 black students in 2011 -- a ten year high.

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2011/dec/18/black-students-oxford-university-rises
http://www.ox.ac.uk/about/facts-and-figures/admissions-statistics

So?

Unless you can prove other black students were discriminated against because of the race, this is simple meritocracy at work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:for whites and asians who feel rightly hard-done by t25 college admissions and 'holistic bs', this is a good avenue to explore.

oxbridge, lse, ucl, kcl, imperial - all top notch with none of the racial BS.

More important, none of the legacy bs. I would be more worried about the rich idiots in US universities that got there through connections...
also, no sports scholarships.

No affirmative action BS, no legacies, no sports. Sounds like, university heaven!

Really? I guess we have really different visions of what heaven (and/or a great university) looks like.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/blighty/2013/08/oxbridge-admissions
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/aug/14/oxford-university-private-a-level

Apparently, we do. For me, universities are temples of learning, not of social engineering, and heaven is a place where people are "not judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

[Anonymous]

To interpret Oxbridge demographics as a manifestation of that model you'd have to assume the privileged white men routinely have characters and intellects that are superior to black men, women generally, and people who attended state-run schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To interpret Oxbridge demographics as a manifestation of that model you'd have to assume the privileged white men routinely have characters and intellects that are superior to black men, women generally, and people who attended state-run schools.

Nope, I don't have to assume anything, other than the same admission process is applied equally to everyone -- do you have proof it isn't?

Again, you may want to use universities for social engineering, to somehow alleviate other (and real) problems in society. But, I personally find it refreshing to find universities where the standards are the same for everyone, with no "favors" based on non-meritocratic reasons such as legacy or sports or race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:for whites and asians who feel rightly hard-done by t25 college admissions and 'holistic bs', this is a good avenue to explore.

oxbridge, lse, ucl, kcl, imperial - all top notch with none of the racial BS.

More important, none of the legacy bs. I would be more worried about the rich idiots in US universities that got there through connections...
also, no sports scholarships.

No affirmative action BS, no legacies, no sports. Sounds like, university heaven!

Really? I guess we have really different visions of what heaven (and/or a great university) looks like.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/blighty/2013/08/oxbridge-admissions
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/aug/14/oxford-university-private-a-level

Apparently, we do. For me, universities are temples of learning, not of social engineering, and heaven is a place where people are "not judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

Amen