So, what is wrong with Hardy?

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http://www.swarthmore.edu/engineering

http://careers.williams.edu/grad-school/pre-health/preparation-for-medical-school/

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The problem is, neither Williams nor Swarthmore grads would consider sending their kids to Hardy; and of course Duke grads would not, mostly because they see that Williams and Swarthmore grads will not. This is really the source of the ill motivation coming from the Hardy Haters. Most normal people, and even the rare normal Georgetown grad, will see the beauty in Hardy.

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Anonymous wrote:There's another thread that is 100 pages long and 1500 postings that has a lot of info on what is wrong at Hardy (or not, depending on one's perspective).

This one's newer, so it's better. Plus, this thread one is focused on snobbery while the other one is focused on racism: and both are false reasons for finding fault with Hardy.

I agree. Yes I've read all of both threads. How about we all shift to a new thread just titled Hardy. Enough of the misleading, at best, thread titles.

I am sorry, but I don't think the title of this post is misleading. 13% OOB students, "rising", but not outstanding DCCAS scores -when the elementary schools that are feeding Hardy have all the best DCCAS scores, 5 principals in just a few years,.. yes, something (maybe something not major, but something) is wrong with Hardy. I am considering moving to the neighborhood to attend Mann Elementary, but I am concern because of Hardy. It is a big deal for us, an important decision. I would like to understand if there is a problem of violence, for example, or of.... I would like to know as to take an informed decision.

Sorry, I meant IB students

Well said.

It's perfectly valid to want this information. But to get it, please visit Hardy, talk to Principal Pride, and talk to current Hardy families. It's impossible to get accurate information from this site - it's just a bunch of anonymous rants, some in favor of Hardy, some against, some true, some false. It is impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to Hardy on DCUM. Please visit the school!

Alternatively, the school could be more transparent. It could post IB numbers, DCCAS results broken by more subgroups, e.g., IB v OOB, data on graduates who get into honors classes at Wilson, etc.

Hardy is just as transparent as every other school in DCPS - arguably more so. Stop pretending someone is trying to keep secrets from you - if you have a question, call or email Principal Pride and ask.

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Anonymous wrote:How many high SES minority families send their kids to Hardy? It's not about racism, it's about test scores.

Which is how they might - in the worst of all possible worlds - end up no better than at a college like Williams, from which a degree may cost about $100K and yet still be 100% useless.

"I'd be thrilled if my kid got into Williams" - says Pomona College alum with friends who graduated from Bates, Swarthmore, etc.

BTW the lower your SES and the more difficult your background, especially for sought-after high test score, minorities, the more financial aid you get. Or were you being sarcastic. The worst of all possible worlds?

Are there departments other than art, literature, and angry studies at any of the aforementioned schools? Maybe something serious like engineering, pre-med/chemistry, or economics? Earlier in the thread I seem to recall the Williams grad unhappy with Duke - why? Because they have a great medical center and hospital? What does one do at Swarthmore or Bates or Pomona or Williams besides get angry and waste money? No amount of financial aid makes up for being useless.

yup, they all have econ depts, and all have science depts - you can go premed with a bio major at any of them.

Only big thing you cannot do is engineering. Except for Swarthmore, of course.

Note you do not have to have a med school on campus to be pre-med.

I take it you only have little kids and have not had much involvement with colleges?

There's no way to say this nicely, but after getting accepted to an Ivy University and other major institutions for both undergrad and grad school, I really wasn't interested in boutique bungalow programs.

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Anonymous wrote:How many high SES minority families send their kids to Hardy? It's not about racism, it's about test scores.

Which is how they might - in the worst of all possible worlds - end up no better than at a college like Williams, from which a degree may cost about $100K and yet still be 100% useless.

"I'd be thrilled if my kid got into Williams" - says Pomona College alum with friends who graduated from Bates, Swarthmore, etc.

BTW the lower your SES and the more difficult your background, especially for sought-after high test score, minorities, the more financial aid you get. Or were you being sarcastic. The worst of all possible worlds?

Are there departments other than art, literature, and angry studies at any of the aforementioned schools? Maybe something serious like engineering, pre-med/chemistry, or economics? Earlier in the thread I seem to recall the Williams grad unhappy with Duke - why? Because they have a great medical center and hospital? What does one do at Swarthmore or Bates or Pomona or Williams besides get angry and waste money? No amount of financial aid makes up for being useless.

yup, they all have econ depts, and all have science depts - you can go premed with a bio major at any of them.

Only big thing you cannot do is engineering. Except for Swarthmore, of course.

Note you do not have to have a med school on campus to be pre-med.

I take it you only have little kids and have not had much involvement with colleges?

There's no way to say this nicely, but after getting accepted to an Ivy University and other major institutions for both undergrad and grad school, I really wasn't interested in boutique bungalow programs.

Of all the Hardy threads, this one is quickly becoming my favorite.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is, neither Williams nor Swarthmore grads would consider sending their kids to Hardy; and of course Duke grads would not, mostly because they see that Williams and Swarthmore grads will not. This is really the source of the ill motivation coming from the Hardy Haters. Most normal people, and even the rare normal Georgetown grad, will see the beauty in Hardy.

Why would anyone at Duke care about those schools? They are easy to get into AND can't play basketball.

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Anonymous wrote:How many high SES minority families send their kids to Hardy? It's not about racism, it's about test scores.

Which is how they might - in the worst of all possible worlds - end up no better than at a college like Williams, from which a degree may cost about $100K and yet still be 100% useless.

"I'd be thrilled if my kid got into Williams" - says Pomona College alum with friends who graduated from Bates, Swarthmore, etc.

BTW the lower your SES and the more difficult your background, especially for sought-after high test score, minorities, the more financial aid you get. Or were you being sarcastic. The worst of all possible worlds?

Are there departments other than art, literature, and angry studies at any of the aforementioned schools? Maybe something serious like engineering, pre-med/chemistry, or economics? Earlier in the thread I seem to recall the Williams grad unhappy with Duke - why? Because they have a great medical center and hospital? What does one do at Swarthmore or Bates or Pomona or Williams besides get angry and waste money? No amount of financial aid makes up for being useless.

yup, they all have econ depts, and all have science depts - you can go premed with a bio major at any of them.

Only big thing you cannot do is engineering. Except for Swarthmore, of course.

Note you do not have to have a med school on campus to be pre-med.

I take it you only have little kids and have not had much involvement with colleges?

There's no way to say this nicely, but after getting accepted to an Ivy University and other major institutions for both undergrad and grad school, I really wasn't interested in boutique bungalow programs.

Of all the Hardy threads, this one is quickly becoming my favorite.

Mine too. I can't understand why everyone doesn't want to go there!

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There's no way to say this nicely, but after getting accepted to an Ivy University and other major institutions for both undergrad and grad school, I really wasn't interested in boutique bungalow programs.

You must have gone to a lesser Ivy (Dartmouth?) , where I went they taught me to think, and make decisions based on evidence. Which shows that some people do quite well at LAC's, better than they would do at an Ivy, and of course that the most selective LAC's are about as hard to get into as the less selective Ivies are.

I am not sure what that has to do with domestic architecture.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is, neither Williams nor Swarthmore grads would consider sending their kids to Hardy; and of course Duke grads would not, mostly because they see that Williams and Swarthmore grads will not. This is really the source of the ill motivation coming from the Hardy Haters. Most normal people, and even the rare normal Georgetown grad, will see the beauty in Hardy.

Why would anyone at Duke care about those schools? They are easy to get into AND can't play basketball.

Why is Duke being mentioned in a Hardy thread? I am pretty sure most Duke grads in the area move to Clarendon, and either stay in Arlington or move to Fairfax.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is, neither Williams nor Swarthmore grads would consider sending their kids to Hardy; and of course Duke grads would not, mostly because they see that Williams and Swarthmore grads will not. This is really the source of the ill motivation coming from the Hardy Haters. Most normal people, and even the rare normal Georgetown grad, will see the beauty in Hardy.

Why would anyone at Duke care about those schools? They are easy to get into AND can't play basketball.

Why is Duke being mentioned in a Hardy thread? I am pretty sure most Duke grads in the area move to Clarendon, and either stay in Arlington or move to Fairfax.

Duke grads (undergraduate program) are strongly connected to their private school pedigree, and get nervous around the public school topic, especially Hardy in Ward 3. I agree with your observation of "white flight": already I have seen a few of them scurry off to the burbs after their private preschool immersion programs. They need a bigger house, doncha know.

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All you people that are urban snobs, what do you think of people who move the burbs but do useful things like help sick and poor people that live in cities. why all the moral superiority based on where people choose to live?

that is the major failing of DCUM discussions, assumptions that others are evil because they made a different decision than you.

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I love this thread. More popcorn, please.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is, neither Williams nor Swarthmore grads would consider sending their kids to Hardy; and of course Duke grads would not, mostly because they see that Williams and Swarthmore grads will not. This is really the source of the ill motivation coming from the Hardy Haters. Most normal people, and even the rare normal Georgetown grad, will see the beauty in Hardy.

Hee hee! As a Duke grad, I can assure you that nobody I know has ever given a second thought to Williams or Swarthmore. We know everybody hates us - it's like being a Yankees fan. We're great at everything and yet you're all convinced that you're our biggest rivals. Just because you think about us, doesn't mean we think about you. Medicine, Basketball, Law, Lacrosse, Engineering, English, Golf, Soccer, Business, Art, Tennis... it's hard to keep up, but my alumni office is constantly reminding me. I'm so sorry for Hardy that it suffers from your bitterness and insecurity by way of association.

Enjoy basketball season!

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Anonymous wrote:Now I figured out exactly why white northeast liberals are worse racists than white conservative southerners. White northeast liberals surgically segregate undesirable races out if their lives while southern conservatives integrate with the natural friction but at least they integrate .

Yup, that's why all those white northeastern liberal racists clamor to send their kids to Deal, a very integrated school. Look, Hardy has problems ,which is why Hardy's designated community (it's boundary area) largely avoid it. You can race bait all you want but Hardy can't improve significantly as long any criticism or concern is dismissed as motivated by racism

Agree.

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Anonymous wrote:I love this thread. More popcorn, please.

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