Why do so many educated professionals look down on teachers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They are actually very smart . The vacation , benefits and pensions are awesome. They probably have a longer/ more enjoyable life than doctors, lawyers and engineers. It's nice to be around young people too!

Well, this is very subjective. The vacation is nice, but the rest of the year is quite hellish. Teaching is not for everyone.

[Anonymous]

Low barriers to entry. Which also explains the second reason: low pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They are actually very smart . The vacation , benefits and pensions are awesome. They probably have a longer/ more enjoyable life than doctors, lawyers and engineers. It's nice to be around young people too!

If the vacation, benefits, and pensions are so awesome, and the working conditions are nice too, then I wonder why all the bright, clear-thinking young adults aren't flocking into a teaching careers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are actually very smart . The vacation , benefits and pensions are awesome. They probably have a longer/ more enjoyable life than doctors, lawyers and engineers. It's nice to be around young people too!

If the vacation, benefits, and pensions are so awesome, and the working conditions are nice too, then I wonder why all the bright, clear-thinking young adults aren't flocking into a teaching careers.

BecAuse our society only values work for high pay. We no longer respect people who don't contribute and earn a paycheck: children, SAHMs, elderly, special needs, etc. See all the SAHM vs WOHM threads. There is an idea that if you do the work for free (stay home), it's worthless, but if you pay someone to do it (nanny), it's important.

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Anonymous wrote:I teach high school, and I have a "real" BA and MA in my subject, as well as an M. Ed. The Ed degree was a joke, and the people who majored in Education (as opposed to people who had a BA in another subject) were (collectively) the least intelligent people I encountered in college. The Ed "professors" were equally stupid, and I'm quite angry that the M. Ed. degree (I needed it for licensure) cost as much as my "real" MA degree. I don't blame people for looking down on teachers; I am fairly disgusted with the idiocy of many of my colleagues.

So I'm a teacher, and while I love my job, I find that many teachers ARE rather stupid. I choose to teach in a good private school that values expertise in subject matter, and while I agree that intelligence/expertise in subject area do not guarantee that someone can teach, I KNOW that poor knowledge of subject matter (a symptom of an Education major program) can never result in excellent instruction.

I'm a teacher, and I can confirm that many teachers are less intelligent than doctors, lawyers, engineers, and the like.

You choose to teach in a private b/c you can't handle a classroom that mirrors real life.

It's clear in your post that you suffer from an inferiority complex, as an EDUCATED professional would never post such drivel.

You just don't like what PP is saying. I think she makes perfect sense in an eloquent manner. What you call "real life" technically sucks ass.

sucks ass

How old are you?
12?

What adult says that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm reading "the Smartest Kids in the World," which looks at the school systems in Korea, Poland, and Finland. It made an interesting point about educational standards to become a teacher. Here, almost anyone can get into the education program at a college. And many colleges graduate 3-4x the number of new teachers than are actually needed in the state. In Finland, getting into an education program in college is extremely competitive, like med school, and therefore teachers are held in higher respect.

This. I know many highly intelligent, intellectual teachers. However, I also know many teachers who are not academically or intellectually oriented, and who seem like they fell into the profession. For their students' sake, I wish we had a more competetive system for training/hiring/keeping teachers. Paying the good ones more would be a great start.

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Anonymous wrote:For me it's the new instructional model. Some call it project based learning, self-instruction, or flipped classrooms. Whatever they call it, it's the same mush where teachers make believe they are teaching and students make believe they are learning. If teachers aren't going to teach during class time then everyone should stay home. If teachers don't teach and students are expected to learn on their own or in groups doing endless projects why force the kids to attend classes whatsoever?

Why not give students the projects and let them go to the library or go home to work on the projects. Nothing is being taught or learned in classes anymore. The student spend their days in school twiddling their thumbs and are then expected to stay up until 2 AM every night learning what they should have learned in the classroom.

When teacher start doing more than just showing up for work every day, I'll start respecting them again.

Yes, because teachers have total control over this.

Yes, teachers have total control and the choice is totally theirs whether they choose to prep for class and actually teach or just phone it in day-after-day. The administration may dictate assessment methods, but it's the teachers who make the conscious decisions to prep and teach or to assign and watch. Students should not be required to stay up until 2 AM teaching themselves what they should have learned in class. Teachers are no longer professionals who should be paid or respected. They are simply facilitators who should be paid and thought of accordingly.

[Anonymous]

A teacher's workday:

http://gawker.com/why-teachers-obsessively-schedule-every-part-of-the-wor-1674208618

Great article!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
For me it's the new instructional model. Some call it project based learning, self-instruction, or flipped classrooms. Whatever they call it, it's the same mush where teachers make believe they are teaching and students make believe they are learning. If teachers aren't going to teach during class time then everyone should stay home. If teachers don't teach and students are expected to learn on their own or in groups doing endless projects why force the kids to attend classes whatsoever?

Why not give students the projects and let them go to the library or go home to work on the projects. Nothing is being taught or learned in classes anymore. The student spend their days in school twiddling their thumbs and are then expected to stay up until 2 AM every night learning what they should have learned in the classroom.

When teacher start doing more than just showing up for work every day, I'll start respecting them again.


Yes, because teachers have total control over this.


Yes, teachers have total control and the choice is totally theirs whether they choose to prep for class and actually teach or just phone it in day-after-day. The administration may dictate assessment methods, but it's the teachers who make the conscious decisions to prep and teach or to assign and watch. Students should not be required to stay up until 2 AM teaching themselves what they should have learned in class. Teachers are no longer professionals who should be paid or respected. They are simply facilitators who should be paid and thought of accordingly.

Clearly, you haven't taught a day in your life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
For me it's the new instructional model. Some call it project based learning, self-instruction, or flipped classrooms. Whatever they call it, it's the same mush where teachers make believe they are teaching and students make believe they are learning. If teachers aren't going to teach during class time then everyone should stay home. If teachers don't teach and students are expected to learn on their own or in groups doing endless projects why force the kids to attend classes whatsoever?

Why not give students the projects and let them go to the library or go home to work on the projects. Nothing is being taught or learned in classes anymore. The student spend their days in school twiddling their thumbs and are then expected to stay up until 2 AM every night learning what they should have learned in the classroom.

When teacher start doing more than just showing up for work every day, I'll start respecting them again.


Yes, because teachers have total control over this.


Yes, teachers have total control and the choice is totally theirs whether they choose to prep for class and actually teach or just phone it in day-after-day. The administration may dictate assessment methods, but it's the teachers who make the conscious decisions to prep and teach or to assign and watch. Students should not be required to stay up until 2 AM teaching themselves what they should have learned in class. Teachers are no longer professionals who should be paid or respected. They are simply facilitators who should be paid and thought of accordingly.

Clearly, you haven't taught a day in your life.

If you are an adult you teach every day of your life. I you are not teaching you have never grown up. Read this and learn!

If you are being paid to teach, but you are merely facilitating while students are teaching themselves you are a lier and a thief.

[Anonymous]

For me it's the new instructional model. Some call it project based learning, self-instruction, or flipped classrooms. Whatever they call it, it's the same mush where teachers make believe they are teaching and students make believe they are learning. If teachers aren't going to teach during class time then everyone should stay home. If teachers don't teach and students are expected to learn on their own or in groups doing endless projects why force the kids to attend classes whatsoever?

LOL! Sounds like the early '70s and "learning centers"in the classroom. If you set the proper environment, the kids will teach themselves. Right!

[Anonymous]

16:43 cont.l.... One of the older teachers at my school said that she "went through this in the thirties in NC with Dewey--and "it didn't work then, and it won't work now!" She was right. Still right.

[Anonymous]

oops.....not 16:43--18:43

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
For me it's the new instructional model. Some call it project based learning, self-instruction, or flipped classrooms. Whatever they call it, it's the same mush where teachers make believe they are teaching and students make believe they are learning. If teachers aren't going to teach during class time then everyone should stay home. If teachers don't teach and students are expected to learn on their own or in groups doing endless projects why force the kids to attend classes whatsoever?

Why not give students the projects and let them go to the library or go home to work on the projects. Nothing is being taught or learned in classes anymore. The student spend their days in school twiddling their thumbs and are then expected to stay up until 2 AM every night learning what they should have learned in the classroom.

When teacher start doing more than just showing up for work every day, I'll start respecting them again.


Yes, because teachers have total control over this.


Yes, teachers have total control and the choice is totally theirs whether they choose to prep for class and actually teach or just phone it in day-after-day. The administration may dictate assessment methods, but it's the teachers who make the conscious decisions to prep and teach or to assign and watch. Students should not be required to stay up until 2 AM teaching themselves what they should have learned in class. Teachers are no longer professionals who should be paid or respected. They are simply facilitators who should be paid and thought of accordingly.


Clearly, you haven't taught a day in your life.


If you are an adult you teach every day of your life. I you are not teaching you have never grown up. Read this and learn!

If you are being paid to teach, but you are merely facilitating while students are teaching themselves you are a lier and a thief.

BTW, it's "liar", not "lier".

Dismissed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
For me it's the new instructional model. Some call it project based learning, self-instruction, or flipped classrooms. Whatever they call it, it's the same mush where teachers make believe they are teaching and students make believe they are learning. If teachers aren't going to teach during class time then everyone should stay home. If teachers don't teach and students are expected to learn on their own or in groups doing endless projects why force the kids to attend classes whatsoever?

Why not give students the projects and let them go to the library or go home to work on the projects. Nothing is being taught or learned in classes anymore. The student spend their days in school twiddling their thumbs and are then expected to stay up until 2 AM every night learning what they should have learned in the classroom.

When teacher start doing more than just showing up for work every day, I'll start respecting them again.


Yes, because teachers have total control over this.


Yes, teachers have total control and the choice is totally theirs whether they choose to prep for class and actually teach or just phone it in day-after-day. The administration may dictate assessment methods, but it's the teachers who make the conscious decisions to prep and teach or to assign and watch. Students should not be required to stay up until 2 AM teaching themselves what they should have learned in class. Teachers are no longer professionals who should be paid or respected. They are simply facilitators who should be paid and thought of accordingly.


Clearly, you haven't taught a day in your life.


If you are an adult you teach every day of your life. I you are not teaching you have never grown up. Read this and learn!

If you are being paid to teach, but you are merely facilitating while students are teaching themselves you are a lier and a thief.

BTW, it's "liar", not "lier".

Dismissed.

Demonstrate professionalism. Obtain a real degree and become an expert in a given field of study and then teach it to children who want to respect you and who are hungry to learn. Stop being a charlatan claiming to be a professional educator when the majority of you are simply facilitators who assign work and and then stand by and watch while your students flounder. You expect students to work in groups and often times alone until 2 AM struggling to learn what you were paid a salary to teach them in the classroom.

Can you spell "charlatan"