Has anybody thought about what all of this anti-birth control laws/beliefs are really about?

[Anonymous]

I am not a lawyer or a constitutional scholar, so I can't rebut the poster who is saying "that argument is fine but it's not in the law/the constitution". However there are many details that are not in the constitution. It depends on how one interprets the overarching principles expressed in it.

It seems to me that we have empowered the govt to regulate commerce. Such as workplace laws, and what is or is not part of health care. What drugs are approved and which are not. We have not empowered religion in any of those areas. So it's up to our government - our elected representatives - to reach a consensus about what medicines are considered standard and what are not. I'd be willing to bet the govt regulates certain minimum standards as to what a health care plan must offer. Birth control is no different. That's the medical consensus and the medical consensus - expert panels - is what the govt relies on.

[Anonymous]

Here's a good explanation, courtesy of George Carlin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvF1Q3UidWM&feature=share

[Anonymous]

RantingAtheist wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This arguement has nothing to do with contraception.. Its a religious rights issue. If you want free BC dont work for a catholic organization. Done

If you're a black man married to a white woman, don't check into a racist hotel. Religious rights, people.

RA, I'm going to add to this.

I'm the owner of this religious hotel that doesn't allow interracial couples to stay there. It is my religious right, ofcourse.

By the way, did I mention I own 9 out of the 10 hotels in this city?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's a good explanation, courtesy of George Carlin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvF1Q3UidWM&feature=share

PP, thanks for this. I needed a good laugh on this Sunday morning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you really want all Catholic schools, hospitals, social welfare organizations, etc. to shut down? I doubt it. The bishops will not give on this one. Obama will give or the Supreme Court will tell him he has to.

They don't have to shut down. They could give in. They are just being stubborn to prove they are independent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you really want all Catholic schools, hospitals, social welfare organizations, etc. to shut down? I doubt it. The bishops will not give on this one. Obama will give or the Supreme Court will tell him he has to.

They don't have to shut down. They could give in. They are just being stubborn to prove they are independent.

And the truth is that they are NOT.

[Anonymous]

Employers of my religion should not be FORCED by the government to remove 8 year olds from factories and send them to school, because letting kids not work and go to school is against our religious beliefs. The federal government should not force us to do something with our kids that violates our religious beliefs.
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Um, replace factories with farms and maybe increase the age a little, and the Amish essentially HAVE this deal, on grounds of religious freedom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Employers of my religion should not be FORCED by the government to remove 8 year olds from factories and send them to school, because letting kids not work and go to school is against our religious beliefs. The federal government should not force us to do something with our kids that violates our religious beliefs.
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Um, replace factories with farms and maybe increase the age a little, and the Amish essentially HAVE this deal, on grounds of religious freedom.

Yeah, I realized that belatedly. Very scary. Slippery slope!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Catholics believe in the sanctity and dignity of all human life. They oppose the death penalty, doctor-assisted suicide, war, and abortion (including the use of contraceptives like the morning-after pill). Their position on abortion is consistent with their other views -- it has to do with the dignity of human life, not keeping women in their place. Abortion is the #1 issue for many Catholics because there are so many abortions every year. Many Catholics see it as genocide.

That's a crock. They found an exception that allows the death penalty. Many in the Church support the death penalty. They excommunicated Father Roy. They transferred priests allowing children to be raped and priests unpunished. The bishops are some of the most right-wing crazies around. Let's not forget how much PUBLIC money they get, and we can't say anything about how they use it? This mostly effects poor women--how many choices do people really have? Find someone else to work for? How easy is that in this economy, exactly?

I'm not talking about the leaders of the Catholic church or individual Catholics. I'm talking about Catholic social teaching. And what's the exception that allows the death penalty?

Sure, okay. BUT even Catholics don't follow their rules and teachings and that's a fact, not all I'm sure, but many. So why do those of us who practice another religion, or don't practice a religionat all, be subjected to your teachings?

You don't. Just don't work for our institutions.

Fine. And your institutions can give up all their tax breaks and public assistance.

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Preach!

Do you really want all Catholic schools, hospitals, social welfare organizations, etc. to shut down? I doubt it. The bishops will not give on this one. Obama will give or the Supreme Court will tell him he has to.

No. I want them to drop their hypocrisy and either (a) recognize that acceptance of MY DAMN TAX DOLLARS means they have to play by the rules or (b) accept that, if they want to play by their own rules, then they can't benefit from public assistance.

[Anonymous]

Here is what the anti BC movement is REALLY about. It's about sluttiness.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/29/limbaugh-georgetown-co-ed-wanting-to-be-paid-for-sex-a-slut-a-prostitute-video/

[Anonymous]

This sums up what it's really about.

http://www.truth-out.org/why-patriarchal-men-are-utterly-petrified-birth-control/1329926460