GT FCPS NNAT scores 1st Grade

[Anonymous]

Why do they even test all the first graders for AAP if they are not enterring the program until 3rd grade. Save some money, just test the ones who show a need, on the low or high performing end. Testing everyone in 2nd grade makes sense, everyone in 1st does not.

[Anonymous]

they are not testing just for the AAP program, but to better understand the children

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Last year, my DS was 103 for Naglieri, which seemed suspiciously low to us. We had him evaluated soon after, not for academic reasons but for ADHD (positive diagnosis). He scored 127 on the WISC administered in that office. This year, he scored 127 composite on the CogAT. Bottom line, I don't have a lot of faith in the Naglieri, particularly when administered in first grade.

The nnat and the cogat are different tests that look at different abilities. Just because your DC got a lower score on the nnat doesn't discount the test and other children's high scores. The nnat is a bunch of puzzles and those that do well on it are probably very good spatial thinkers. The cogat tests verbal and quantitative knowledge and some kids might be better at that and would have a better score on the cogat. Some children are gifted in everything and so they will just score high on everything. Not to be picky, but just because your child didn't get a high score on a test doesn't make the test bad. Must we really come up with so many excuses - it's the test, the age, the time of day, the setting, the blah blah blah.

[Anonymous]

NP here. I get your point, but it's also pretty clear that, historically, the comittee values a high CogAt score more than a high NNAT, unless English is the child's second language. For example, if you look at the scores thread carefully, a high CogAt combined with low NNAT is more likely to get in than a high NNAT combined with low CogAt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Last year, my DS was 103 for Naglieri, which seemed suspiciously low to us. We had him evaluated soon after, not for academic reasons but for ADHD (positive diagnosis). He scored 127 on the WISC administered in that office. This year, he scored 127 composite on the CogAT. Bottom line, I don't have a lot of faith in the Naglieri, particularly when administered in first grade.

The nnat and the cogat are different tests that look at different abilities. Just because your DC got a lower score on the nnat doesn't discount the test and other children's high scores. The nnat is a bunch of puzzles and those that do well on it are probably very good spatial thinkers. The cogat tests verbal and quantitative knowledge and some kids might be better at that and would have a better score on the cogat. Some children are gifted in everything and so they will just score high on everything. Not to be picky, but just because your child didn't get a high score on a test doesn't make the test bad. Must we really come up with so many excuses - it's the test, the age, the time of day, the setting, the blah blah blah.

As it happens, my child was given a battery of tests in his private evaluation, including a couple that measured spatial reasoning. He scored well across the board. The psychologist--whom I'm sure has more actual knowledge in this area than you, O Random Parent on a Message Board--felt that DS's Naglieri score from school was an outlier.

Must we really shoot down everyone who speaks from their own experience with these tests?

[Anonymous]

My son scored 10 points higher on the NNAT than he did on the nonverbal section of the cogat, although the scores were both in the 99th percentile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Last year, my DS was 103 for Naglieri, which seemed suspiciously low to us. We had him evaluated soon after, not for academic reasons but for ADHD (positive diagnosis). He scored 127 on the WISC administered in that office. This year, he scored 127 composite on the CogAT. Bottom line, I don't have a lot of faith in the Naglieri, particularly when administered in first grade.

The nnat and the cogat are different tests that look at different abilities. Just because your DC got a lower score on the nnat doesn't discount the test and other children's high scores. The nnat is a bunch of puzzles and those that do well on it are probably very good spatial thinkers. The cogat tests verbal and quantitative knowledge and some kids might be better at that and would have a better score on the cogat. Some children are gifted in everything and so they will just score high on everything. Not to be picky, but just because your child didn't get a high score on a test doesn't make the test bad. Must we really come up with so many excuses - it's the test, the age, the time of day, the setting, the blah blah blah.

As it happens, my child was given a battery of tests in his private evaluation, including a couple that measured spatial reasoning. He scored well across the board. The psychologist--whom I'm sure has more actual knowledge in this area than you, O Random Parent on a Message Board--felt that DS's Naglieri score from school was an outlier.

Must we really shoot down everyone who speaks from their own experience with these tests?

You sound like such a nice person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Last year, my DS was 103 for Naglieri, which seemed suspiciously low to us. We had him evaluated soon after, not for academic reasons but for ADHD (positive diagnosis). He scored 127 on the WISC administered in that office. This year, he scored 127 composite on the CogAT. Bottom line, I don't have a lot of faith in the Naglieri, particularly when administered in first grade.

The nnat and the cogat are different tests that look at different abilities. Just because your DC got a lower score on the nnat doesn't discount the test and other children's high scores. The nnat is a bunch of puzzles and those that do well on it are probably very good spatial thinkers. The cogat tests verbal and quantitative knowledge and some kids might be better at that and would have a better score on the cogat. Some children are gifted in everything and so they will just score high on everything. Not to be picky, but just because your child didn't get a high score on a test doesn't make the test bad. Must we really come up with so many excuses - it's the test, the age, the time of day, the setting, the blah blah blah.

NP here. My child got a low score on the NNAT so I did some research. The NNAT has been shown to have norming problems resulting in a large number of very low and a large number of very high test scores, so it potentially has issues. Also, apparently, it is not necessarily better for spatial thinkers (which is what I thought too). It tests logic and other skills, too, so spatial thinkers do not necessarily test higher (according to the test makers -- and research, too, I think). I'm certainly no expert, but from what i read, the NNAT does have the potential to be unreliable in certain cases. Take that for what it's worth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Last year, my DS was 103 for Naglieri, which seemed suspiciously low to us. We had him evaluated soon after, not for academic reasons but for ADHD (positive diagnosis). He scored 127 on the WISC administered in that office. This year, he scored 127 composite on the CogAT. Bottom line, I don't have a lot of faith in the Naglieri, particularly when administered in first grade.

The nnat and the cogat are different tests that look at different abilities. Just because your DC got a lower score on the nnat doesn't discount the test and other children's high scores. The nnat is a bunch of puzzles and those that do well on it are probably very good spatial thinkers. The cogat tests verbal and quantitative knowledge and some kids might be better at that and would have a better score on the cogat. Some children are gifted in everything and so they will just score high on everything. Not to be picky, but just because your child didn't get a high score on a test doesn't make the test bad. Must we really come up with so many excuses - it's the test, the age, the time of day, the setting, the blah blah blah.

As it happens, my child was given a battery of tests in his private evaluation, including a couple that measured spatial reasoning. He scored well across the board. The psychologist--whom I'm sure has more actual knowledge in this area than you, O Random Parent on a Message Board--felt that DS's Naglieri score from school was an outlier.

Must we really shoot down everyone who speaks from their own experience with these tests?

You sound like such a nice person.

Very witty comeback. Assuming you're the PP to whom I was responding, it was especially nice of you to butt in to opine that I was giving excuses for my DD's score. I was doing no such thing. I mentioned the test, but I didn't mention age, time of day, the setting, or "blah blah blah," as you so succinctly put it. I was merely replying to a PP who was questioning the NNAT.

If you feel the test is completely legit, you could have merely said so without (incorrectly) judging my reply.

Done with this thread.

[Anonymous]

Novice question: Are all schools in the FCPS system going with CogAT 7 now? And what's the difference between "primary" CogAT and "multilevel" CogAT?
Thanks!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Novice question: Are all schools in the FCPS system going with CogAT 7 now? And what's the difference between "primary" CogAT and "multilevel" CogAT?
Thanks!

Are you really trying to buy prep materials for next year already?

[Anonymous]

No, relax, I'm just curious! My child is still in K - but I'd like to be educated when the time comes

[Anonymous]

You mean that there are prep materials for sale? Where?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Novice question: Are all schools in the FCPS system going with CogAT 7 now? And what's the difference between "primary" CogAT and "multilevel" CogAT?
Thanks!

Are you really trying to buy prep materials for next year already?

Mercer Publishing is having a sale! True story.

[Anonymous]

Wow. If this continues, the AAP selection process is going to end up going back to requiring individual WISC testing for the application like they did in the 90's.