What are the list of MCPS positions set to be laid off (assuming the budget cuts go through)?

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS needs to cut language immersion & programming like that.

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This would not save any money. Immersion teachers do not get paid more than a regular elementary teacher. And the students still need to be in school, so they would just be in an English speaking class instead. Absolutely no impact on the budget.

Yes it would save money. Immersion programs have a different extra sets of curriculums, extra staff hiring goes into finding dual language teachers, there are central office positions that have to support those schools. Most of the kids in the programs, struggle with the language, parents sign up because they don't want their kids to be in a highly concentrated Latino school.

Oh you again. Just go away- I'm sorry your kids didn't get in but don't assume your reason for applying to language immersion is the same as everyone else's. (FWIW, we deliberatebly bought a house in bounds for a dual immersion school, which gasp, has a decent percentage of Latino students, because learning a foreign language is important to our family. sorry if that's a weird concept for you!)

This is true. They should have it for Spanish speaker only kids and make Spanish a special for all other kids.

Maybe we should start evaluating the need for language instruction at all in public schools- how many students can actually converse in the language upon gradation? And what is the need when the rest of the world learns English already? That's a lot of money that could be spent elsewhere.

The xenophobic point of view - America and English first! We don't need more of this.

[Anonymous]

Immersion programs are ways for kids to get out of their assigned schools. It is also not true "immersion." For instance, kids taking upper level Chinese classes at Churchill are not in an "immersion" program. True immersion program is when Chinese is used to teach math, social studies, etc. But it is a way to get out of their assigned HS.

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Anonymous wrote:Where do you see 220 MS teachers being cut, I don’t see that on the linked document. Can anyone verify this?

I also don’t see any MS teachers on the list.

It's on page 4. Why middle school is my question...we barely have enough staff as it is right now. If they are pre-cutting electives for 2027's math disaster, people need to start getting angry. We are just gutting education at this point. People making the decisions aren't the ones in classrooms. Cutting electives in middle school is the worst idea-we need more electives, not less. So many kids have stated that their favorite elective whether it be band, dance, music,tech, or theatre is the ONLY reason they go to school. I'm a counselor not a teacher, but from what I see/hear from students on a daily basis, this would absolutely negatively affect them. This is all for 15 additional minutes of math a day, which the state apparently thinks is super easy to implement without giving a second thought to how it would drastically alter scheduling for middle schools/hs and thus,cutting arts programs and electives for those 15 minutes of math that kids are probably already tuned out because their attention spans won't allow for it. Disgraceful.

Yes, I am pretty furious about this. The increased MS math minutes requirement is at the state level so folks need to fight it there (talk to the state Board of Ed members and your state legislators)-- but MCPS should be pushing back on it and they're not and that pisses me off. And they definitely shouldn't be cutting MS electives preemptively in 2026-2027, since there's a chance the state will reverse themselves before the middle school math minutes requirement is supposed to go into effect in 2027-2028.

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Anonymous wrote:Where do you see 220 MS teachers being cut, I don’t see that on the linked document. Can anyone verify this?

I also don’t see any MS teachers on the list.

It's on page 4. Why middle school is my question...we barely have enough staff as it is right now. If they are pre-cutting electives for 2027's math disaster, people need to start getting angry. We are just gutting education at this point. People making the decisions aren't the ones in classrooms. Cutting electives in middle school is the worst idea-we need more electives, not less. So many kids have stated that their favorite elective whether it be band, dance, music,tech, or theatre is the ONLY reason they go to school. I'm a counselor not a teacher, but from what I see/hear from students on a daily basis, this would absolutely negatively affect them. This is all for 15 additional minutes of math a day, which the state apparently thinks is super easy to implement without giving a second thought to how it would drastically alter scheduling for middle schools/hs and thus,cutting arts programs and electives for those 15 minutes of math that kids are probably already tuned out because their attention spans won't allow for it. Disgraceful.

Yes, I am pretty furious about this. The increased MS math minutes requirement is at the state level so folks need to fight it there (talk to the state Board of Ed members and your state legislators)-- but MCPS should be pushing back on it and they're not and that pisses me off. And they definitely shouldn't be cutting MS electives preemptively in 2026-2027, since there's a chance the state will reverse themselves before the middle school math minutes requirement is supposed to go into effect in 2027-2028.

Putting more time into math is good, BUT the issue isn't time, it's the curriculum and not identifying learning disabilities early and supporting them. Kids who cannot read will struggle in math.

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty much public: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OA8HANnsPlM7-xyvfma4H_0nRLQRYaKo/view

Seems like there's a lack of administrators on that list. We could probably do without some vice principals and assistant superintendents.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where do you see 220 MS teachers being cut, I don’t see that on the linked document. Can anyone verify this?

I also don’t see any MS teachers on the list.

It's on page 4. Why middle school is my question...we barely have enough staff as it is right now. If they are pre-cutting electives for 2027's math disaster, people need to start getting angry. We are just gutting education at this point. People making the decisions aren't the ones in classrooms. Cutting electives in middle school is the worst idea-we need more electives, not less. So many kids have stated that their favorite elective whether it be band, dance, music,tech, or theatre is the ONLY reason they go to school. I'm a counselor not a teacher, but from what I see/hear from students on a daily basis, this would absolutely negatively affect them. This is all for 15 additional minutes of math a day, which the state apparently thinks is super easy to implement without giving a second thought to how it would drastically alter scheduling for middle schools/hs and thus,cutting arts programs and electives for those 15 minutes of math that kids are probably already tuned out because their attention spans won't allow for it. Disgraceful.

Yes, I am pretty furious about this. The increased MS math minutes requirement is at the state level so folks need to fight it there (talk to the state Board of Ed members and your state legislators)-- but MCPS should be pushing back on it and they're not and that pisses me off. And they definitely shouldn't be cutting MS electives preemptively in 2026-2027, since there's a chance the state will reverse themselves before the middle school math minutes requirement is supposed to go into effect in 2027-2028.

Putting more time into math is good, BUT the issue isn't time, it's the curriculum and not identifying learning disabilities early and supporting them. Kids who cannot read will struggle in math.

Exactly so why are we potentially ruining a child's school experience for 15 extra minutes of math a day? Again, I don't think enough people know about this or are outraged by it. Probably because to an outsider (so MSDE should actually understand this, but they don't) 15 minutes sounds like it won't be that disruptive. It works for elementary school but it's a logistical nightmare for scheduling classes in MS/HS which will lead to programs being cut. It will also require hiring more math teachers when we have no money. This should really be what people are pressing the state and the county on right now.

[Anonymous]

The way I see it is that MCPS has wasted away so much money on frivolous and unnecessary things. MCPS is like a bratty child who tantrums for more candy (money) and the council has always given in. After all, it's easy for them, it's not their money. Just raise taxes.

Now you have a someone who needs to reign in this bratty and spoiled behemoth aka MCPS. I wish they would cut the spending instead of staff, but something has to give. This is a long time coming.

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Anonymous wrote:The way I see it is that MCPS has wasted away so much money on frivolous and unnecessary things. MCPS is like a bratty child who tantrums for more candy (money) and the council has always given in. After all, it's easy for them, it's not their money. Just raise taxes.

Now you have a someone who needs to reign in this bratty and spoiled behemoth aka MCPS. I wish they would cut the spending instead of staff, but something has to give. This is a long time coming.

While I agree with you, it's not going to hit the people that deserve it. It will directly affect the people who have nothing to do with these decisions including students. We should be cutting CO positions, looking at every budget line item, and cutting CO salaries if we can't cut their positions. Taylor's salary should be cut as well. As he says, he sleeps fine at night because he thinks he's making good decisions. I think the rest of the county would beg to differ.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where do you see 220 MS teachers being cut, I don’t see that on the linked document. Can anyone verify this?

I also don’t see any MS teachers on the list.

It's on page 4. Why middle school is my question...we barely have enough staff as it is right now. If they are pre-cutting electives for 2027's math disaster, people need to start getting angry. We are just gutting education at this point. People making the decisions aren't the ones in classrooms. Cutting electives in middle school is the worst idea-we need more electives, not less. So many kids have stated that their favorite elective whether it be band, dance, music,tech, or theatre is the ONLY reason they go to school. I'm a counselor not a teacher, but from what I see/hear from students on a daily basis, this would absolutely negatively affect them. This is all for 15 additional minutes of math a day, which the state apparently thinks is super easy to implement without giving a second thought to how it would drastically alter scheduling for middle schools/hs and thus,cutting arts programs and electives for those 15 minutes of math that kids are probably already tuned out because their attention spans won't allow for it. Disgraceful.

Yes, I am pretty furious about this. The increased MS math minutes requirement is at the state level so folks need to fight it there (talk to the state Board of Ed members and your state legislators)-- but MCPS should be pushing back on it and they're not and that pisses me off. And they definitely shouldn't be cutting MS electives preemptively in 2026-2027, since there's a chance the state will reverse themselves before the middle school math minutes requirement is supposed to go into effect in 2027-2028.

Putting more time into math is good, BUT the issue isn't time, it's the curriculum and not identifying learning disabilities early and supporting them. Kids who cannot read will struggle in math.

Exactly so why are we potentially ruining a child's school experience for 15 extra minutes of math a day? Again, I don't think enough people know about this or are outraged by it. Probably because to an outsider (so MSDE should actually understand this, but they don't) 15 minutes sounds like it won't be that disruptive. It works for elementary school but it's a logistical nightmare for scheduling classes in MS/HS which will lead to programs being cut. It will also require hiring more math teachers when we have no money. This should really be what people are pressing the state and the county on right now.

Yes, I agree. The state is very myopic and only focuses on math and literacy to the expense of everything else. If someone wants to fight this change to MS math, I am all in to work together against it!

(Also I am pretty sure they will not actually hire more math teachers-- they will just increase math class sizes by 25% instead.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The way I see it is that MCPS has wasted away so much money on frivolous and unnecessary things. MCPS is like a bratty child who tantrums for more candy (money) and the council has always given in. After all, it's easy for them, it's not their money. Just raise taxes.

Now you have a someone who needs to reign in this bratty and spoiled behemoth aka MCPS. I wish they would cut the spending instead of staff, but something has to give. This is a long time coming.

While I agree with you, it's not going to hit the people that deserve it. It will directly affect the people who have nothing to do with these decisions including students. We should be cutting CO positions, looking at every budget line item, and cutting CO salaries if we can't cut their positions. Taylor's salary should be cut as well. As he says, he sleeps fine at night because he thinks he's making good decisions. I think the rest of the county would beg to differ.

I hate to say it but it's not about who deserves it or not. I agree 100% that every budget line item needs to be audited and that bloated CO needs a cut.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Immersion programs are ways for kids to get out of their assigned schools. It is also not true "immersion." For instance, kids taking upper level Chinese classes at Churchill are not in an "immersion" program. True immersion program is when Chinese is used to teach math, social studies, etc. But it is a way to get out of their assigned HS.

MCPS doesn't have any HS-level immersion programs. Those in the two elementary Chinese immersion programs get Math & Science in the target language, so less than those in the full-immersion French and Spanish programs (everything but specials), but they are still "immersed" in the language for those subjects.

Two-way immersion, where some days instruction is in Spanish and other days it is in English, also is "immersion," if also not as fully immersed. I've been befuddled by the repeated anti-immersion-program posts (often with inaccurate/outdated information) of the past couple of months, but I'm guessing, given the relatively small budgetary savings (if any) vs. viable alternatives in serving the needs of a large plurality in the county, that they largely are coming from those who unjustly have been forced into two-way, when they did not want that, by virtue of its being the only model of instruction at their home elementary instead of it having been designed more appropriately as an opt-in, as the other immersion programs are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS needs to cut language immersion & programming like that.

Focus on the basics
Trade programs
College tracking
gifted programming
Special education
General populace & education

This would not save any money. Immersion teachers do not get paid more than a regular elementary teacher. And the students still need to be in school, so they would just be in an English speaking class instead. Absolutely no impact on the budget.

Yes it would save money. Immersion programs have a different extra sets of curriculums, extra staff hiring goes into finding dual language teachers, there are central office positions that have to support those schools. Most of the kids in the programs, struggle with the language, parents sign up because they don't want their kids to be in a highly concentrated Latino school.

Oh you again. Just go away- I'm sorry your kids didn't get in but don't assume your reason for applying to language immersion is the same as everyone else's. (FWIW, we deliberatebly bought a house in bounds for a dual immersion school, which gasp, has a decent percentage of Latino students, because learning a foreign language is important to our family. sorry if that's a weird concept for you!)

This is true. They should have it for Spanish speaker only kids and make Spanish a special for all other kids.

Maybe we should start evaluating the need for language instruction at all in public schools- how many students can actually converse in the language upon gradation? And what is the need when the rest of the world learns English already? That's a lot of money that could be spent elsewhere.

That’s shortsighted. We had over 100 students in my HS who earned their seat of biliteracy this year in over 6 different languages. That seal gives them an advantage in hiring as well as earning more money. Many of these students are native speakers of the language they took the exam in, but many were not and some didn’t start learning their second language until MS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The way I see it is that MCPS has wasted away so much money on frivolous and unnecessary things. MCPS is like a bratty child who tantrums for more candy (money) and the council has always given in. After all, it's easy for them, it's not their money. Just raise taxes.

Now you have a someone who needs to reign in this bratty and spoiled behemoth aka MCPS. I wish they would cut the spending instead of staff, but something has to give. This is a long time coming.

While I agree with you, it's not going to hit the people that deserve it. It will directly affect the people who have nothing to do with these decisions including students. We should be cutting CO positions, looking at every budget line item, and cutting CO salaries if we can't cut their positions. Taylor's salary should be cut as well. As he says, he sleeps fine at night because he thinks he's making good decisions. I think the rest of the county would beg to differ.

I hate to say it but it's not about who deserves it or not. I agree 100% that every budget line item needs to be audited and that bloated CO needs a cut.

So our students deserve to suffer because you want to stick it to the horrible people in charge of finances? You're part of the problem.

[Anonymous]

What about The Blueprint? How long until we can get rid of that? That would save thousands, if not millions. It would also allow MCPS to spare jobs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where do you see 220 MS teachers being cut, I don’t see that on the linked document. Can anyone verify this?

I also don’t see any MS teachers on the list.

It's on page 4. Why middle school is my question...we barely have enough staff as it is right now. If they are pre-cutting electives for 2027's math disaster, people need to start getting angry. We are just gutting education at this point. People making the decisions aren't the ones in classrooms. Cutting electives in middle school is the worst idea-we need more electives, not less. So many kids have stated that their favorite elective whether it be band, dance, music,tech, or theatre is the ONLY reason they go to school. I'm a counselor not a teacher, but from what I see/hear from students on a daily basis, this would absolutely negatively affect them. This is all for 15 additional minutes of math a day, which the state apparently thinks is super easy to implement without giving a second thought to how it would drastically alter scheduling for middle schools/hs and thus,cutting arts programs and electives for those 15 minutes of math that kids are probably already tuned out because their attention spans won't allow for it. Disgraceful.

Yes, I am pretty furious about this. The increased MS math minutes requirement is at the state level so folks need to fight it there (talk to the state Board of Ed members and your state legislators)-- but MCPS should be pushing back on it and they're not and that pisses me off. And they definitely shouldn't be cutting MS electives preemptively in 2026-2027, since there's a chance the state will reverse themselves before the middle school math minutes requirement is supposed to go into effect in 2027-2028.

Putting more time into math is good, BUT the issue isn't time, it's the curriculum and not identifying learning disabilities early and supporting them. Kids who cannot read will struggle in math.

Exactly so why are we potentially ruining a child's school experience for 15 extra minutes of math a day? Again, I don't think enough people know about this or are outraged by it. Probably because to an outsider (so MSDE should actually understand this, but they don't) 15 minutes sounds like it won't be that disruptive. It works for elementary school but it's a logistical nightmare for scheduling classes in MS/HS which will lead to programs being cut. It will also require hiring more math teachers when we have no money. This should really be what people are pressing the state and the county on right now.

So much time is wasted in school. 15 minutes is ok but how math is taught isn't working given the declining test scores.