Which college is worth $90k?

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Anonymous wrote:In state UVA vs WashU? 40/50k vs 90k? These are similar ranking in the 20s I think

Both are great. If you had the money you would likely pick WashU though.

Hell no. WHY? No one has heard of Wash U! What does Wash U give you that UVA does not? UVA ranks above Wash U in every category, including UVA being the No. 1 public producer of Rhodes Scholars. My kid is at Oxford via UVA. No one at Oxford has heard of Wash U. From there he launched to Yale law school. That doesn't happen from Wash U

And to remind: Wash U is $97,995 and UVA is $40K instate. Bank the difference and you can afford to pay for grad school or a down payment for your kids.

I’m a happy Wash. U. alum. who worked at UVa. briefly.

I think that UVa., William & Mary and Va Tech are all comparable to Wash. U., both in terms of student life and in academics, and that it would be absurd for a donut hole family to pay $90,000 per year for Wash. U. instead of, say, $40,000 all in for Wash. U.

On the other hand:

- Wash. U. has very generous financial aid. The average net cost is about $23,000, compared with $18,000 per year at UVa. Even for Virginia residents who just want to go out of state for school, spending the extra $5,000 might be worth it.

- Virginia has terrific, relatively small state schools, but a lot of states (example: Missouri) don’t have state universities that are anything like Wash. U. California has much better known schools that are a lot tougher on the undergrads. So, for a donut hole family in Missouri or California, the value calculations might look a lot different than in Virginia.

- UVa. is a great school with a great reputation, but Wash. U. is a great school, too. The idea that it’s impossible to become a Rhodes scholar at Wash. U. or that it’s hard to get into Yale Law School from Wash. U. is off the mark. Here, for example, is a list of Wash. U. Rhodes scholars: https://libguides.wustl.edu/wustl-faq/rhodes And the Yale and Harvard law schools both have Wash. U. on their lists of schools that have sent them students in the past few years.

Correction: I think that UVa., William & Mary and Va Tech are all comparable to Wash. U., both in terms of student life and in academics, and that it would be absurd for a donut hole family to pay $90,000 per year for Wash. U. instead of, say, $40,000 all in for Wash. U.<< UVa, William & Mary or Va Tech.

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Only a handful of schools Duke is unbelievable with athletics, weather, campus, academics and connections. Stanford, Dartmouth also,

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Anonymous wrote:For something qualitatively different from large private universities and public flagships, look to purely-undergraduate focused colleges, at which the experience may be difficult to replicate at a lower cost.

When Forbes last considered such a question, for example, it included national universities, but placed Amherst first:

10 Expensive Colleges Worth Every Penny 2017 https://share.google/LrWh6s6XfLLGWqmB6

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For something qualitatively different from large private universities and public flagships, look to purely-undergraduate focused colleges, at which the experience may be difficult to replicate at a lower cost.

When Forbes last considered such a question, for example, it included national universities, but placed Amherst first:

10 Expensive Colleges Worth Every Penny 2017 https://share.google/LrWh6s6XfLLGWqmB6

This is the entire list:

1. Amherst
2. Dartmouth
3. Williams
4. UChicago
5. Tufts
6. Colgate
7. UPenn
8. Columbia
9. Hamilton
10. Vassar

Otherwise known as where Forbes staff at the time went to college

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Anonymous wrote:In state UVA vs WashU? 40/50k vs 90k? These are similar ranking in the 20s I think

Both are great. If you had the money you would likely pick WashU though.

What is WashU?

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:In state UVA vs WashU? 40/50k vs 90k? These are similar ranking in the 20s I think

Both are great. If you had the money you would likely pick WashU though.

Hell no. WHY? No one has heard of Wash U! What does Wash U give you that UVA does not? UVA ranks above Wash U in every category, including UVA being the No. 1 public producer of Rhodes Scholars. My kid is at Oxford via UVA. No one at Oxford has heard of Wash U. From there he launched to Yale law school. That doesn't happen from Wash U

And to remind: Wash U is $97,995 and UVA is $40K instate. Bank the difference and you can afford to pay for grad school or a down payment for your kids.

I’m a happy Wash. U. alum. who worked at UVa. briefly.

I think that UVa., William & Mary and Va Tech are all comparable to Wash. U., both in terms of student life and in academics, and that it would be absurd for a donut hole family to pay $90,000 per year for Wash. U. instead of, say, $40,000 all in for Wash. U.

On the other hand:

- Wash. U. has very generous financial aid. The average net cost is about $23,000, compared with $18,000 per year at UVa. Even for Virginia residents who just want to go out of state for school, spending the extra $5,000 might be worth it.

- Virginia has terrific, relatively small state schools, but a lot of states (example: Missouri) don’t have state universities that are anything like Wash. U. California has much better known schools that are a lot tougher on the undergrads. So, for a donut hole family in Missouri or California, the value calculations might look a lot different than in Virginia.

- UVa. is a great school with a great reputation, but Wash. U. is a great school, too. The idea that it’s impossible to become a Rhodes scholar at Wash. U. or that it’s hard to get into Yale Law School from Wash. U. is off the mark. Here, for example, is a list of Wash. U. Rhodes scholars: https://libguides.wustl.edu/wustl-faq/rhodes And the Yale and Harvard law schools both have Wash. U. on their lists of schools that have sent them students in the past few years.

I am sure UVA is lovely, but for DC (Maryland) UVA OOS COA is $92-93K. On top of my mind, UVA and UMichigan are the two top public schools which provide very few/no merit aid for OOS. WashU, on the other hand, has a COA of $98K, but DC receives full ride tuition merit + annual stipend + guaranteed research funding , which brings down the COA to essentially just room & board $23K/year.

So tongue in cheek, DC's answer to "Which college is worth $90K" would be WashU. BTW, DC was accepted at UVA and UMichigan, zero merit aid.

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^ omg. UVA or any public is not worth $90k. The top 15 or so schools, yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In state UVA vs WashU? 40/50k vs 90k? These are similar ranking in the 20s I think

Both are great. If you had the money you would likely pick WashU though.

Hell no. WHY? No one has heard of Wash U! What does Wash U give you that UVA does not? UVA ranks above Wash U in every category, including UVA being the No. 1 public producer of Rhodes Scholars. My kid is at Oxford via UVA. No one at Oxford has heard of Wash U. From there he launched to Yale law school. That doesn't happen from Wash U

And to remind: Wash U is $97,995 and UVA is $40K instate. Bank the difference and you can afford to pay for grad school or a down payment for your kids.

I’m a happy Wash. U. alum. who worked at UVa. briefly.

I think that UVa., William & Mary and Va Tech are all comparable to Wash. U., both in terms of student life and in academics, and that it would be absurd for a donut hole family to pay $90,000 per year for Wash. U. instead of, say, $40,000 all in for Wash. U.

On the other hand:

- Wash. U. has very generous financial aid. The average net cost is about $23,000, compared with $18,000 per year at UVa. Even for Virginia residents who just want to go out of state for school, spending the extra $5,000 might be worth it.

- Virginia has terrific, relatively small state schools, but a lot of states (example: Missouri) don’t have state universities that are anything like Wash. U. California has much better known schools that are a lot tougher on the undergrads. So, for a donut hole family in Missouri or California, the value calculations might look a lot different than in Virginia.

- UVa. is a great school with a great reputation, but Wash. U. is a great school, too. The idea that it’s impossible to become a Rhodes scholar at Wash. U. or that it’s hard to get into Yale Law School from Wash. U. is off the mark. Here, for example, is a list of Wash. U. Rhodes scholars: https://libguides.wustl.edu/wustl-faq/rhodes And the Yale and Harvard law schools both have Wash. U. on their lists of schools that have sent them students in the past few years.

I am sure UVA is lovely, but for DC (Maryland) UVA OOS COA is $92-93K. On top of my mind, UVA and UMichigan are the two top public schools which provide very few/no merit aid for OOS. WashU, on the other hand, has a COA of $98K, but DC receives full ride tuition merit + annual stipend + guaranteed research funding , which brings down the COA to essentially just room & board $23K/year.

So tongue in cheek, DC's answer to "Which college is worth $90K" would be WashU. BTW, DC was accepted at UVA and UMichigan, zero merit aid.

This entire debate was about in-state UVA vs WashU, not OOS.

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As someone who has worked with some brilliant people who contribute wonderfully to society (some of which who are compensated heftily for it) and some complete incompetent wastes of space from both top and bottom schools — I tell my kids they have to make their own way on their own intellect blood sweat and tears. An extra 40-60k isn’t worth it for any family that cannot afford both it and to retire today. If you as parents aren’t that rich, it isn’t worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:I have decided that state flagship is the only way to go after spending years working in higher ed (public and top 15 private).

I tend to agree but how do you reconcile the large class size or even sink or swim environment in schools like Berkeley even though it’s a world class institution?

NP. Berkeley is my kid’s in state option, and if they’re lucky enough to be admitted, they’re going!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:In state UVA vs WashU? 40/50k vs 90k? These are similar ranking in the 20s I think

Both are great. If you had the money you would likely pick WashU though.

Hell no. WHY? No one has heard of Wash U! What does Wash U give you that UVA does not? UVA ranks above Wash U in every category, including UVA being the No. 1 public producer of Rhodes Scholars. My kid is at Oxford via UVA. No one at Oxford has heard of Wash U. From there he launched to Yale law school. That doesn't happen from Wash U

And to remind: Wash U is $97,995 and UVA is $40K instate. Bank the difference and you can afford to pay for grad school or a down payment for your kids.

I’m a happy Wash. U. alum. who worked at UVa. briefly.

I think that UVa., William & Mary and Va Tech are all comparable to Wash. U., both in terms of student life and in academics, and that it would be absurd for a donut hole family to pay $90,000 per year for Wash. U. instead of, say, $40,000 all in for Wash. U.

On the other hand:

- Wash. U. has very generous financial aid. The average net cost is about $23,000, compared with $18,000 per year at UVa. Even for Virginia residents who just want to go out of state for school, spending the extra $5,000 might be worth it.

- Virginia has terrific, relatively small state schools, but a lot of states (example: Missouri) don’t have state universities that are anything like Wash. U. California has much better known schools that are a lot tougher on the undergrads. So, for a donut hole family in Missouri or California, the value calculations might look a lot different than in Virginia.

- UVa. is a great school with a great reputation, but Wash. U. is a great school, too. The idea that it’s impossible to become a Rhodes scholar at Wash. U. or that it’s hard to get into Yale Law School from Wash. U. is off the mark. Here, for example, is a list of Wash. U. Rhodes scholars: https://libguides.wustl.edu/wustl-faq/rhodes And the Yale and Harvard law schools both have Wash. U. on their lists of schools that have sent them students in the past few years.

I am sure UVA is lovely, but for DC (Maryland) UVA OOS COA is $92-93K. On top of my mind, UVA and UMichigan are the two top public schools which provide very few/no merit aid for OOS. WashU, on the other hand, has a COA of $98K, but DC receives full ride tuition merit + annual stipend + guaranteed research funding , which brings down the COA to essentially just room & board $23K/year.

So tongue in cheek, DC's answer to "Which college is worth $90K" would be WashU. BTW, DC was accepted at UVA and UMichigan, zero merit aid.

This entire debate was about in-state UVA vs WashU, not OOS.

Nope, the entire debate is about "Which college is worth $90k?" - duh!

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who has worked with some brilliant people who contribute wonderfully to society (some of which who are compensated heftily for it) and some complete incompetent wastes of space from both top and bottom schools — I tell my kids they have to make their own way on their own intellect blood sweat and tears. An extra 40-60k isn’t worth it for any family that cannot afford both it and to retire today. If you as parents aren’t that rich, it isn’t worth it.

This, obviously give your kid a good start but don’t regret your choices when you have to delay retirement.

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There is not a single school that is actually worth that much. If you have money to burn, more power to you, however.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In state UVA vs WashU? 40/50k vs 90k? These are similar ranking in the 20s I think

Both are great. If you had the money you would likely pick WashU though.

Hell no. WHY? No one has heard of Wash U! What does Wash U give you that UVA does not? UVA ranks above Wash U in every category, including UVA being the No. 1 public producer of Rhodes Scholars. My kid is at Oxford via UVA. No one at Oxford has heard of Wash U. From there he launched to Yale law school. That doesn't happen from Wash U

And to remind: Wash U is $97,995 and UVA is $40K instate. Bank the difference and you can afford to pay for grad school or a down payment for your kids.

Yay, the UVA/Oxford obsessive is back to share their kid's story for the umpteenth time. I had to laugh at the claim that no one from Wash U is going to Yale Law School? Wtf? Dream on. Wash U is ranked higher than UVA - surely you know this. And NO ONE cares about Rhodes Scholars.
DP

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities?myCollege=national-universities&_sort=myCollege&_sortDirection=asc

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In state UVA vs WashU? 40/50k vs 90k? These are similar ranking in the 20s I think

Both are great. If you had the money you would likely pick WashU though.

Hell no. WHY? No one has heard of Wash U! What does Wash U give you that UVA does not? UVA ranks above Wash U in every category, including UVA being the No. 1 public producer of Rhodes Scholars. My kid is at Oxford via UVA. No one at Oxford has heard of Wash U. From there he launched to Yale law school. That doesn't happen from Wash U

And to remind: Wash U is $97,995 and UVA is $40K instate. Bank the difference and you can afford to pay for grad school or a down payment for your kids.

I’m a happy Wash. U. alum. who worked at UVa. briefly.

I think that UVa., William & Mary and Va Tech are all comparable to Wash. U., both in terms of student life and in academics, and that it would be absurd for a donut hole family to pay $90,000 per year for Wash. U. instead of, say, $40,000 all in for Wash. U.

On the other hand:

- Wash. U. has very generous financial aid. The average net cost is about $23,000, compared with $18,000 per year at UVa. Even for Virginia residents who just want to go out of state for school, spending the extra $5,000 might be worth it.

- Virginia has terrific, relatively small state schools, but a lot of states (example: Missouri) don’t have state universities that are anything like Wash. U. California has much better known schools that are a lot tougher on the undergrads. So, for a donut hole family in Missouri or California, the value calculations might look a lot different than in Virginia.

- UVa. is a great school with a great reputation, but Wash. U. is a great school, too. The idea that it’s impossible to become a Rhodes scholar at Wash. U. or that it’s hard to get into Yale Law School from Wash. U. is off the mark. Here, for example, is a list of Wash. U. Rhodes scholars: https://libguides.wustl.edu/wustl-faq/rhodes And the Yale and Harvard law schools both have Wash. U. on their lists of schools that have sent them students in the past few years.

Correction: I think that UVa., William & Mary and Va Tech are all comparable to Wash. U., both in terms of student life and in academics, and that it would be absurd for a donut hole family to pay $90,000 per year for Wash. U. instead of, say, $40,000 all in for Wash. U.<< UVa, William & Mary or Va Tech.

Totally agree. Great post(s).

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Anonymous wrote:^ omg. UVA or any public is not worth $90k. The top 15 or so schools, yes.

No school, whether private or public, is worth $90k. That's just delusional.