Should we leave Alexandria?

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Anonymous wrote:I have one recent graduate and one high schooler. We also vaguely considered private school as the oldest was entering kindergarten but decided to give ACPS a try - and have not regretted our decision. I agree with the other ACPS parent that safety issues are exaggerated - my kids have never felt unsafe in school. And while they have suffered through some bad teachers, they have also learned from some truly amazing and dedicated teachers. My college student - now at an ivy league school - does not feel academically unprepared or inferior to the kids who went private. Also, the ACHS experience - going to school with kids from extremely different backgrounds and life experiences - is not to be underestimated in terms of preparing you for the real world.

This is laughable. Truly. ACHS is incredibly self-segregated. Higher-income kids self select into the academies and do not know probably even see 95 percent of their classmates. It’s a giant school.

It’s hard to engage in school-based extracurriculars because the school is so huge. Kids usually do something outside of school. Middle school is particularly bad but it’s not great anywhere. But the middle school offers a lot less than neighboring public districts outside of basics.

I think kids from an involved family with a lot of outside supplementation can do fine.

Kids self segregate in elementary after kindergarten regardless of the removed opportunities that have been given to all children in the name of "equity". ACPS places all elementary school children in the same inclusive classrooms, but that doesn't mean the children will become friends when they come from vastly different cultural and socioeconomic backgrounds. This self segregation still happens all the while it is now impossible for demonstrated advanced students to get AAS services regardless of need while a concurrent "Young Scholars" program allows student of color to receive AAS without proof of need. Afterschool enrichment is also not allowed in some elementaries in the name of "equity ". This school district is a mess.

Can we come back to this? What does AAS look like in ACPS currently? Seems that could have a big impact on people with OP’s dilemma.

They supposedly open AAS to the top 15 percent of kids in the class for 4th and 5th. Anyone can take honors in middle school. They differentiate for all kids in elementary.

So, sorry, is the only differentiation in middle school taking honors classes?

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Anonymous wrote:I have one recent graduate and one high schooler. We also vaguely considered private school as the oldest was entering kindergarten but decided to give ACPS a try - and have not regretted our decision. I agree with the other ACPS parent that safety issues are exaggerated - my kids have never felt unsafe in school. And while they have suffered through some bad teachers, they have also learned from some truly amazing and dedicated teachers. My college student - now at an ivy league school - does not feel academically unprepared or inferior to the kids who went private. Also, the ACHS experience - going to school with kids from extremely different backgrounds and life experiences - is not to be underestimated in terms of preparing you for the real world.

This is laughable. Truly. ACHS is incredibly self-segregated. Higher-income kids self select into the academies and do not know probably even see 95 percent of their classmates. It’s a giant school.

It’s hard to engage in school-based extracurriculars because the school is so huge. Kids usually do something outside of school. Middle school is particularly bad but it’s not great anywhere. But the middle school offers a lot less than neighboring public districts outside of basics.

I think kids from an involved family with a lot of outside supplementation can do fine.

Kids self segregate in elementary after kindergarten regardless of the removed opportunities that have been given to all children in the name of "equity". ACPS places all elementary school children in the same inclusive classrooms, but that doesn't mean the children will become friends when they come from vastly different cultural and socioeconomic backgrounds. This self segregation still happens all the while it is now impossible for demonstrated advanced students to get AAS services regardless of need while a concurrent "Young Scholars" program allows student of color to receive AAS without proof of need. Afterschool enrichment is also not allowed in some elementaries in the name of "equity ". This school district is a mess.

Can we come back to this? What does AAS look like in ACPS currently? Seems that could have a big impact on people with OP’s dilemma.

They supposedly open AAS to the top 15 percent of kids in the class for 4th and 5th. Anyone can take honors in middle school. They differentiate for all kids in elementary.

So, sorry, is the only differentiation in middle school taking honors classes?

Yes

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Anonymous wrote:I have one recent graduate and one high schooler. We also vaguely considered private school as the oldest was entering kindergarten but decided to give ACPS a try - and have not regretted our decision. I agree with the other ACPS parent that safety issues are exaggerated - my kids have never felt unsafe in school. And while they have suffered through some bad teachers, they have also learned from some truly amazing and dedicated teachers. My college student - now at an ivy league school - does not feel academically unprepared or inferior to the kids who went private. Also, the ACHS experience - going to school with kids from extremely different backgrounds and life experiences - is not to be underestimated in terms of preparing you for the real world.

This is laughable. Truly. ACHS is incredibly self-segregated. Higher-income kids self select into the academies and do not know probably even see 95 percent of their classmates. It’s a giant school.

It’s hard to engage in school-based extracurriculars because the school is so huge. Kids usually do something outside of school. Middle school is particularly bad but it’s not great anywhere. But the middle school offers a lot less than neighboring public districts outside of basics.

I think kids from an involved family with a lot of outside supplementation can do fine.

Kids self segregate in elementary after kindergarten regardless of the removed opportunities that have been given to all children in the name of "equity". ACPS places all elementary school children in the same inclusive classrooms, but that doesn't mean the children will become friends when they come from vastly different cultural and socioeconomic backgrounds. This self segregation still happens all the while it is now impossible for demonstrated advanced students to get AAS services regardless of need while a concurrent "Young Scholars" program allows student of color to receive AAS without proof of need. Afterschool enrichment is also not allowed in some elementaries in the name of "equity ". This school district is a mess.

Can we come back to this? What does AAS look like in ACPS currently? Seems that could have a big impact on people with OP’s dilemma.

They supposedly open AAS to the top 15 percent of kids in the class for 4th and 5th. Anyone can take honors in middle school. They differentiate for all kids in elementary.

So, sorry, is the only differentiation in middle school taking honors classes?

Yes

Seems pretty weak tbh.

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Anonymous wrote:I have one recent graduate and one high schooler. We also vaguely considered private school as the oldest was entering kindergarten but decided to give ACPS a try - and have not regretted our decision. I agree with the other ACPS parent that safety issues are exaggerated - my kids have never felt unsafe in school. And while they have suffered through some bad teachers, they have also learned from some truly amazing and dedicated teachers. My college student - now at an ivy league school - does not feel academically unprepared or inferior to the kids who went private. Also, the ACHS experience - going to school with kids from extremely different backgrounds and life experiences - is not to be underestimated in terms of preparing you for the real world.

This is laughable. Truly. ACHS is incredibly self-segregated. Higher-income kids self select into the academies and do not know probably even see 95 percent of their classmates. It’s a giant school.

It’s hard to engage in school-based extracurriculars because the school is so huge. Kids usually do something outside of school. Middle school is particularly bad but it’s not great anywhere. But the middle school offers a lot less than neighboring public districts outside of basics.

I think kids from an involved family with a lot of outside supplementation can do fine.

Kids self segregate in elementary after kindergarten regardless of the removed opportunities that have been given to all children in the name of "equity". ACPS places all elementary school children in the same inclusive classrooms, but that doesn't mean the children will become friends when they come from vastly different cultural and socioeconomic backgrounds. This self segregation still happens all the while it is now impossible for demonstrated advanced students to get AAS services regardless of need while a concurrent "Young Scholars" program allows student of color to receive AAS without proof of need. Afterschool enrichment is also not allowed in some elementaries in the name of "equity ". This school district is a mess.

Can we come back to this? What does AAS look like in ACPS currently? Seems that could have a big impact on people with OP’s dilemma.

They supposedly open AAS to the top 15 percent of kids in the class for 4th and 5th. Anyone can take honors in middle school. They differentiate for all kids in elementary.

So, sorry, is the only differentiation in middle school taking honors classes?

Yes

That’s the MS model in APS too

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Anonymous wrote:I have one recent graduate and one high schooler. We also vaguely considered private school as the oldest was entering kindergarten but decided to give ACPS a try - and have not regretted our decision. I agree with the other ACPS parent that safety issues are exaggerated - my kids have never felt unsafe in school. And while they have suffered through some bad teachers, they have also learned from some truly amazing and dedicated teachers. My college student - now at an ivy league school - does not feel academically unprepared or inferior to the kids who went private. Also, the ACHS experience - going to school with kids from extremely different backgrounds and life experiences - is not to be underestimated in terms of preparing you for the real world.

This is laughable. Truly. ACHS is incredibly self-segregated. Higher-income kids self select into the academies and do not know probably even see 95 percent of their classmates. It’s a giant school.

It’s hard to engage in school-based extracurriculars because the school is so huge. Kids usually do something outside of school. Middle school is particularly bad but it’s not great anywhere. But the middle school offers a lot less than neighboring public districts outside of basics.

I think kids from an involved family with a lot of outside supplementation can do fine.

Kids self segregate in elementary after kindergarten regardless of the removed opportunities that have been given to all children in the name of "equity". ACPS places all elementary school children in the same inclusive classrooms, but that doesn't mean the children will become friends when they come from vastly different cultural and socioeconomic backgrounds. This self segregation still happens all the while it is now impossible for demonstrated advanced students to get AAS services regardless of need while a concurrent "Young Scholars" program allows student of color to receive AAS without proof of need. Afterschool enrichment is also not allowed in some elementaries in the name of "equity ". This school district is a mess.

Can we come back to this? What does AAS look like in ACPS currently? Seems that could have a big impact on people with OP’s dilemma.

They supposedly open AAS to the top 15 percent of kids in the class for 4th and 5th. Anyone can take honors in middle school. They differentiate for all kids in elementary.

So, sorry, is the only differentiation in middle school taking honors classes?

Yes

Seems pretty weak tbh.

What would you expect?

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Anonymous wrote:My kids are recent graduates. Went K-12 through ACPS.

If you are involved parents that care about your kids' education, ACPS will offer your kids what they need. That's what always make the difference, regardless of school. Yes, you will also witness a lot of time and effort devoted to servicing the needs of kids who are struggling academically and/or emotionally. As for the safety issues... I get the concerns, but the reality is that the kids that get into those fights are unlikely to directly impact your kid.

Even most ACPS bashers admit will say things like "ACPS is bad, but MY elementary school is okay."
That's because they get to know that community, and learn to like it. I don't think you have to make a decision now. You can always switch at middle school.

Having said that... Middle school was not a great time for my kids, because... it's middle school (!) which was also not a great time for me, when I was at one of the "top" Fairfax County schools. People conflate the challenges of early adolescence as something particularly bad at the ACPS schools, but the experiences of my kids and those of family friends with kids in different are public schools doesn't bear that out.

As for high school, the amount of APs and clubs and activities that were available to my kids are truly impressive. The offerings read more like a small college than a high school.

What ACPS represents is society--ALL of society. In addition to the academic knowledge my kids gained, they will tell you they are really glad they went to ACPS because of the diversity they experienced and learned to coexist with.

This was on first page and thread should have been closed after it. Based.

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Anonymous wrote:But I'll give you this: you're the first DCUM poster in history to say "we moved our kids from Yorktown to Loudoun Valley because it's a better school." What a joke.

No, a joke involves a rabbi, a priest and an imam walking into a bar.

You don’t know what a joke is. You don’t know anything. You’re always wrong but rarely in doubt.

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Anonymous wrote:No one who actually knows DC area school believes that m Loudoun Valley is a better school than Yorktown. Seriously. Dumbest part of this whole thread.

And I wouldn’t send my kid to ACHS for all the money in the world.

Whatever you need to believe, darling. I'm just saying the outcomes for our kids were fantastic. But you enjoy writing that monthly mortgage check and sending your kid to JMU or ODU or whatever.

Loudoun trash.

Oh, honey. Bless your heart. I know how frustrating it is to live in all that congestion and among jerks. I get that it’s an act of self-preservation to think you’re superior. If it makes you feel better to cling to delusions, whatever makes you happy.

The difference between me and you is I didn't have to move to save money. Anyone who lives in North Arlington or Del Ray can easily afford to move to BFE Loudoun. There's a reason why it's cheaper. You poor thing. Literally, you POOR thing lol.

Bless your heart again, honey. I didn’t need to move to save money. I upgraded my lifestyle. Now I live in beautiful open spaces near wineries, farm breweries and farms. The air is clean, the traffic is light and the views are spectacular.

But it’s so very cute that you think I am poor. There you with that deluded sense of self-importance!

Yea, we have that too. In our second home. Which is worth what your only home is.

Lol sure you do.

I guess the real difference is we’re very happy. Your misery just oozes from every post. I am sorry your life sucks so bad.

I’d invite you out but we’re spending the week at our place in St. Croix.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids are recent graduates. Went K-12 through ACPS.

If you are involved parents that care about your kids' education, ACPS will offer your kids what they need. That's what always make the difference, regardless of school. Yes, you will also witness a lot of time and effort devoted to servicing the needs of kids who are struggling academically and/or emotionally. As for the safety issues... I get the concerns, but the reality is that the kids that get into those fights are unlikely to directly impact your kid.

Even most ACPS bashers admit will say things like "ACPS is bad, but MY elementary school is okay."
That's because they get to know that community, and learn to like it. I don't think you have to make a decision now. You can always switch at middle school.

Having said that... Middle school was not a great time for my kids, because... it's middle school (!) which was also not a great time for me, when I was at one of the "top" Fairfax County schools. People conflate the challenges of early adolescence as something particularly bad at the ACPS schools, but the experiences of my kids and those of family friends with kids in different are public schools doesn't bear that out.

As for high school, the amount of APs and clubs and activities that were available to my kids are truly impressive. The offerings read more like a small college than a high school.

What ACPS represents is society--ALL of society. In addition to the academic knowledge my kids gained, they will tell you they are really glad they went to ACPS because of the diversity they experienced and learned to coexist with.

This was on first page and thread should have been closed after it. Based.

You could get a similar high school experience in Arlington or most of FCPS without the massive size and failing elementary schools plus there’s a gifted program (FCPS) option schools (APS) and access to TJ

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Anonymous wrote:I have one recent graduate and one high schooler. We also vaguely considered private school as the oldest was entering kindergarten but decided to give ACPS a try - and have not regretted our decision. I agree with the other ACPS parent that safety issues are exaggerated - my kids have never felt unsafe in school. And while they have suffered through some bad teachers, they have also learned from some truly amazing and dedicated teachers. My college student - now at an ivy league school - does not feel academically unprepared or inferior to the kids who went private. Also, the ACHS experience - going to school with kids from extremely different backgrounds and life experiences - is not to be underestimated in terms of preparing you for the real world.

This is laughable. Truly. ACHS is incredibly self-segregated. Higher-income kids self select into the academies and do not know probably even see 95 percent of their classmates. It’s a giant school.

It’s hard to engage in school-based extracurriculars because the school is so huge. Kids usually do something outside of school. Middle school is particularly bad but it’s not great anywhere. But the middle school offers a lot less than neighboring public districts outside of basics.

I think kids from an involved family with a lot of outside supplementation can do fine.

Kids self segregate in elementary after kindergarten regardless of the removed opportunities that have been given to all children in the name of "equity". ACPS places all elementary school children in the same inclusive classrooms, but that doesn't mean the children will become friends when they come from vastly different cultural and socioeconomic backgrounds. This self segregation still happens all the while it is now impossible for demonstrated advanced students to get AAS services regardless of need while a concurrent "Young Scholars" program allows student of color to receive AAS without proof of need. Afterschool enrichment is also not allowed in some elementaries in the name of "equity ". This school district is a mess.

Can we come back to this? What does AAS look like in ACPS currently? Seems that could have a big impact on people with OP’s dilemma.

They supposedly open AAS to the top 15 percent of kids in the class for 4th and 5th. Anyone can take honors in middle school. They differentiate for all kids in elementary.

So, sorry, is the only differentiation in middle school taking honors classes?

Yes

Seems pretty weak tbh.

What would you expect?

Just a year or two ago they had a page with example course sequences for various subjects for grades 6-12. It’s different than what they have now. For math, I believe they showed an advanced path where you could take pre-algebra in 6th and algebra in 7th, culminating with DE multivariable in 12th, or maybe even a path with multivariable and linear algebra/differential equations. That was the most advanced but there were 6 or so different examples of how a student’s math progression could go (and probably more in reality).

Now it looks like the only decision is between algebra and pre-algebra in 8th. Which is weird because they still list calc BC as available to 10th graders but I don’t see how you could get to that if they don’t let you do algebra until 8th.

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Anonymous wrote:I have one recent graduate and one high schooler. We also vaguely considered private school as the oldest was entering kindergarten but decided to give ACPS a try - and have not regretted our decision. I agree with the other ACPS parent that safety issues are exaggerated - my kids have never felt unsafe in school. And while they have suffered through some bad teachers, they have also learned from some truly amazing and dedicated teachers. My college student - now at an ivy league school - does not feel academically unprepared or inferior to the kids who went private. Also, the ACHS experience - going to school with kids from extremely different backgrounds and life experiences - is not to be underestimated in terms of preparing you for the real world.

This is laughable. Truly. ACHS is incredibly self-segregated. Higher-income kids self select into the academies and do not know probably even see 95 percent of their classmates. It’s a giant school.

It’s hard to engage in school-based extracurriculars because the school is so huge. Kids usually do something outside of school. Middle school is particularly bad but it’s not great anywhere. But the middle school offers a lot less than neighboring public districts outside of basics.

I think kids from an involved family with a lot of outside supplementation can do fine.

Kids self segregate in elementary after kindergarten regardless of the removed opportunities that have been given to all children in the name of "equity". ACPS places all elementary school children in the same inclusive classrooms, but that doesn't mean the children will become friends when they come from vastly different cultural and socioeconomic backgrounds. This self segregation still happens all the while it is now impossible for demonstrated advanced students to get AAS services regardless of need while a concurrent "Young Scholars" program allows student of color to receive AAS without proof of need. Afterschool enrichment is also not allowed in some elementaries in the name of "equity ". This school district is a mess.

Can we come back to this? What does AAS look like in ACPS currently? Seems that could have a big impact on people with OP’s dilemma.

They supposedly open AAS to the top 15 percent of kids in the class for 4th and 5th. Anyone can take honors in middle school. They differentiate for all kids in elementary.

So, sorry, is the only differentiation in middle school taking honors classes?

Yes

Seems pretty weak tbh.

What would you expect?

Just a year or two ago they had a page with example course sequences for various subjects for grades 6-12. It’s different than what they have now. For math, I believe they showed an advanced path where you could take pre-algebra in 6th and algebra in 7th, culminating with DE multivariable in 12th, or maybe even a path with multivariable and linear algebra/differential equations. That was the most advanced but there were 6 or so different examples of how a student’s math progression could go (and probably more in reality).

Now it looks like the only decision is between algebra and pre-algebra in 8th. Which is weird because they still list calc BC as available to 10th graders but I don’t see how you could get to that if they don’t let you do algebra until 8th.

Ah, here it is. The archive of the ACPS program of studies for 2023-24. For math, there were two sample course sequences that had 7th graders taking Algebra I. But in the latest program of studies, that doesn’t seem possible anymore?

https://live-acps23.pantheonsite.io/sample-course-sequences-mathematics

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Anonymous wrote:What gang situation in APS? We're in 22207. We have car break ins. I've never heard of gangs in the schools.

I know I shouldnt feed trolls but I cant resist pointing out how stupid you are.

https://www.arlnow.com/2024/01/10/police-investigating-mob-attack-at-local-high-school/

https://www.arlnow.com/2024/10/29/two-hospitalized-after-mob-assault-outside-of-high-school/

https://patch.com/virginia/arlington-va/baseball-bats-machetes-used-columbia-pike-attack-police

Oh boy. "Mob" doesn't always mean what you think it means. But sure I'm the stupid one.

LOL. Like there's a difference. I can't believe you came back to defend yourself thinking that "mob" was in your favor.

You missed the point entirely. None of this shows anything about gangs in schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, we've been in Del Ray since 2001 and have three kids. My oldest is still asleep upstairs while home on break from UVA. My middle kid is a senior this year and they will be attending Georgetown next year. My youngest is, surprisingly, a very talented athlete getting D1 recruiting looks as a Freshman, but they are also a 4.0 GPA honors track kid.

We were Maury- GW, then ACHS. We are white with a HHI of 280k.

The thought of leaving never even crossed our minds. But then again, we aren't xenophobic racists.

FWIW- I know plenty of people like you that moved or went private and still ended up with a kid at JMU.

Best of luck!

How could you live in Del Ray and your kids went to Brooks? Either you're lying or you got a transfer from MVCS, which doesn't mesh with all the other BS stuff you wrote.

She just wanted to call other people racist while virtue signaling.

Both of you are clueless. In 2010 ACPS, you could send your kid to any school in the system. And OP stated their kids went to Maury, not Brooks.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, we've been in Del Ray since 2001 and have three kids. My oldest is still asleep upstairs while home on break from UVA. My middle kid is a senior this year and they will be attending Georgetown next year. My youngest is, surprisingly, a very talented athlete getting D1 recruiting looks as a Freshman, but they are also a 4.0 GPA honors track kid.

We were Maury- GW, then ACHS. We are white with a HHI of 280k.

The thought of leaving never even crossed our minds. But then again, we aren't xenophobic racists.

FWIW- I know plenty of people like you that moved or went private and still ended up with a kid at JMU.

Best of luck!

How could you live in Del Ray and your kids went to Brooks? Either you're lying or you got a transfer from MVCS, which doesn't mesh with all the other BS stuff you wrote.

The south end of Del Ray zones to Jefferson-Houston (draws heavily from public housing and high black population) or at least it used to and all these people would get admin transfers to Maury and when that got harder they moved in to MVCS. No one and I mean no one sent their kids to J-H. I have kids this persons age and knew many families in this part of del ray. Haven’t lived in del ray in a while but that’s how it was when our kids were in elementary. The hypocrisy that this person is calling out others as a xenophobic racist is pretty rich.

They're hypoctical because they chose not to send their kid to an unacreditted school that had 7 different principles in 8 years? Or that they wanted their kid to go to the closest (geographically) grade school to their house? Southern Del Ray is far more like Rosemont than it is like N. Old Town and the projects.

I'll say one thing as a parent of private school kids, I don't blame them one bit. If one thing is certain with ACPS, you need to be your own advocate if you are white and middle class. That is not the poulation central office is looking out for.

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Anonymous wrote:No one who actually knows DC area school believes that m Loudoun Valley is a better school than Yorktown. Seriously. Dumbest part of this whole thread.

And I wouldn’t send my kid to ACHS for all the money in the world.

Whatever you need to believe, darling. I'm just saying the outcomes for our kids were fantastic. But you enjoy writing that monthly mortgage check and sending your kid to JMU or ODU or whatever.

Loudoun trash.

Oh, honey. Bless your heart. I know how frustrating it is to live in all that congestion and among jerks. I get that it’s an act of self-preservation to think you’re superior. If it makes you feel better to cling to delusions, whatever makes you happy.

The difference between me and you is I didn't have to move to save money. Anyone who lives in North Arlington or Del Ray can easily afford to move to BFE Loudoun. There's a reason why it's cheaper. You poor thing. Literally, you POOR thing lol.

Bless your heart again, honey. I didn’t need to move to save money. I upgraded my lifestyle. Now I live in beautiful open spaces near wineries, farm breweries and farms. The air is clean, the traffic is light and the views are spectacular.

But it’s so very cute that you think I am poor. There you with that deluded sense of self-importance!

Traffic is light? Holy shit that is a funny one. 28 is the 7th level of hell. But, enjoy the views of..... the data centers I guess.