Why so much hate for Math?

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Anonymous wrote:Because some DCUM posters think nothing of paying more than 10K for travel sports and giving their kids repetitive strain injuries from a young age, but GOD FORBID that they be accused of being Tiger Parents and push their kids into improving their cognitive reasoning skills with MATH. Then they'd be like ASIAN ROBOTS (yes, they're racist too).

Like the FCPS Superintendent, SB, and Gatehouse, there is widespread hatred toward Asians on DCUM.

More fake news.

I don't know if it's hatred so much as annoyance and a bit of bitterness.

Asians and other successful minorities are inconvenient to the narrative that white supremacy is so powerful in this country that non-whites don't stand a chance as a group. When a group of mostly immigrants and their children outperform whites, the argument starts to fray. White people are annoyed that these asians are able to outperform their little Larlo and Larla? THEY MUST BE CHEATING!!!

Standardized exams (which have been used since at least WWII) are susceptible to a special form of cheating that only asians engage in. These crafty asians send their kids to academic enrichment classes like kumon, AOPS and RSM from the age of 7 or 8 and continue to cheat for the rest of their educational years by studying more than everybody else.

No one said that studying is cheating. More fake news from RWNJs trying to spin up division.

The more you try to bulldoze yourself and shut people up, the more you prove the point that there is a movement against math.

You are a liar trying to spin up a manufactured political issue. GTFO.

I say this with a lot of compassion: you need serious help. Your emotional state is obviously on the edge.

I have zero patience for people trying to F with our schools, particular RWNJs who are trying to score political points.

The only nut job here is you. If you don’t want the schools messed with work on it constructively.

You obviously like them to not improve. It must benefit you in some way.

More fake news.

The only thing I don't want are POS political operatives spinning up wedge issues with lies and fake issues. We get it. Rs are going to lose big time in November. These pathetic threads aren't going to help.

He's not "spinning up" wedge issues. These issues are already there, the left ignores them at their peril.
Asians moved 10 points to the right. 30% voted for trump in 2020 and 40% did so in 2024.
Listed high on the reasons for the shift were:
The economy
Public Safety
Affirmative Action (or more precisely the reaction to the opposition to AA labelling asians as ‘privileged,’ ‘selfish,’ ‘cheaters,’ ‘overrepresented,’ ‘white adjacent,’ and ‘resource hoarders’ )


The economic and safety issues are probably the most important because really who gives a fck what some asians in san francisco and farifax think.

“There is a movement against math” is pure propaganda BS.

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Never heard that there is any movement againts math or anything academic. People can accelerate their kids all they want. No law ever created that can’t stop them to enrich their kids academically.
If there is no acceleration available that is not because of a political movement, it is simply because there is no resource available. The public education service tend to prioritize the needs of the middle bell curve, the 95% population.

The truth is, nobody care about your feelings about math, whether you glorify it or despise it. If you heard one, it is called personal opinion.

But I feel like there is a movement to create an impression that Asian is under attack, this is actually the propaganda to swing the vote and somehow it works.
And I am an Asian.

The attack isn't against Asians it's against what we represent.

The traditional right wing racists don't like how Asians show up and grab all the lions share of academic recognition that used to go to more mediocre white kids. They feel like their communities are being gentrified as Asians move in and big up housing prices while the kids crowd out white kids from the AAP program.

The DEI left wing racist don't like how people use Asian success to imply that URM are lazy or inferior (the model minority my) and they begrudge us or success by taking the things we earn and giving it to those they think deserve a break. Then they call us racists for not going along with it.

They would both like us a lot more if we didn't succeed.

Please don’t hijack the thread with how Asians are victimized.

This thread is supposed to be about advancing in Math, not about what Asians represent. Open your own thread for that.

That's funny. You didn't seem to object to the post I am responding that brought up how this all just a misinformation campaign to influence Asian votes.

The war against math is part of the war against merit which is repulsive to most Asians.

If you're Asian and you haven't figured out of yet, you are stuck with a choice between

(I) Republicans that will hurt your feelings by saying they don't like you
(II) Democrats that will hurt your children's future but will say they like you

We've had a Republican president and Congress for several years now, and there have been 0 benefits to merit / math / gifted education. Same with Youngkin - he hasn't done anything to change educational policies on these issues.

I know it's feels like years but it's only been 6 months.

Republicans applauded SFFA vs Harvard. Democrats condemned it.

Republican condemned the changes in the TJ and Lowell admissions process and the attempts to change the Stuyvesant admissions process.
These changes were part of a nationwide democratic led war on merit.

Republicans may not have Asians at front of mind but their not actively trying to hurt our children.

The only republicans responsible for SFFA are on the SC. Condemning something is easy, making things happen is expensive. Promoting or building merit programs is not on the agenda, only scoring cheap shots against the left whenever possible.

. It's not a cheap spot, it's a valid criticism.

What merit building program hills are the Democrats willing to die on the way they were willing to die on the affirmative action hill?

To paraphrase RBG: I ask no favor for my race. All I ask of our woke brethren is that they take their feet off our necks

Equal rights, not special rights.

No. You do not get to quote RGB as if you are being oppressed.

GMAFB.

Open and notorious legality condoned institutional racial discrimination against a group was oppression. Continuing to do it when it's no longer legal is just racism.

Asians are not asking for special rights. They are asking for equal rights, equal opportunity. That's what affirmative action USED to be about. But there was this assumption that equal opportunity would lead to equal results and it didn't. So then affirmative action started to become less about equal opportunity and more about equal results. And THAT is where we started to run into problems.

TJ admissions is mostly equal opportunity. If anything, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools.

It’s a race blind process.

The majority of students enrolled are Asian students.

Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

We were talking about SFFA vs Harvard. That means we were talking about affirmative action.
When people talk about systemic racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM
When people talk about institutional racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM.

TJ is not engaging in explicit affirmative action but when you change a policy to increase some races at the expense of other races you are engaging in racism.
Anti-asian discrimination has a long and silent history in America. Pick up a book sometime. The entire reason we even have birthright citizenship caselaw is because of our history of anti-asian discrimination

P.S. Exceeding the qualification for free/reduced lunch does not make you wealthy. These parents all work for a living. This attempt to excuse racism against asians at TJ by portraying all the asians at TJ as wealthy is pretty scummy. You are scum.

Again, at TJ, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools. Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate. Kids from wealthy feeder schools are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

TJ added seats to give kids from across the county a chance to attend so it’s no longer hoarded by kids from wealthy feeder schools.

Asians are overrepresented because they have higher cognitive ability. They weren't born that way, they became that way. They're the ones that put in the work. They're the ones that made the sacrifices.

Discriminating against them because of their race is racism. You are not only excusing racism, you are advocating for it.

TJ provides no value to a kid who is not well prepared regardless of their income.
TJ isn't an anti poverty program.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process. GMAFB.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

Diversity chart based admissions but claim no discrimination.

It’s a race-blind process.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process.

There is really no point in debating someone who thinks that the fact that Asians are admitted at a higher-than-average rate is proof that there is no discrimination against Asian students. If this is your thought process, then we can't reach you with logic.

Facts:
>It’s a race-blind process. No racial preference.
>Asian students are accepted at a higher rate than almost all others.
>The group who benefited most from the change was students from low-income families.
>There are more Asian students enrolled at TJ today than almost any year in its history.
>The court ruled no discrimination.

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Anonymous wrote:Because some DCUM posters think nothing of paying more than 10K for travel sports and giving their kids repetitive strain injuries from a young age, but GOD FORBID that they be accused of being Tiger Parents and push their kids into improving their cognitive reasoning skills with MATH. Then they'd be like ASIAN ROBOTS (yes, they're racist too).

Like the FCPS Superintendent, SB, and Gatehouse, there is widespread hatred toward Asians on DCUM.

More fake news.

I don't know if it's hatred so much as annoyance and a bit of bitterness.

Asians and other successful minorities are inconvenient to the narrative that white supremacy is so powerful in this country that non-whites don't stand a chance as a group. When a group of mostly immigrants and their children outperform whites, the argument starts to fray. White people are annoyed that these asians are able to outperform their little Larlo and Larla? THEY MUST BE CHEATING!!!

Standardized exams (which have been used since at least WWII) are susceptible to a special form of cheating that only asians engage in. These crafty asians send their kids to academic enrichment classes like kumon, AOPS and RSM from the age of 7 or 8 and continue to cheat for the rest of their educational years by studying more than everybody else.

No one said that studying is cheating. More fake news from RWNJs trying to spin up division.

The more you try to bulldoze yourself and shut people up, the more you prove the point that there is a movement against math.

You are a liar trying to spin up a manufactured political issue. GTFO.

I say this with a lot of compassion: you need serious help. Your emotional state is obviously on the edge.

I have zero patience for people trying to F with our schools, particular RWNJs who are trying to score political points.

The only nut job here is you. If you don’t want the schools messed with work on it constructively.

You obviously like them to not improve. It must benefit you in some way.

More fake news.

The only thing I don't want are POS political operatives spinning up wedge issues with lies and fake issues. We get it. Rs are going to lose big time in November. These pathetic threads aren't going to help.

He's not "spinning up" wedge issues. These issues are already there, the left ignores them at their peril.
Asians moved 10 points to the right. 30% voted for trump in 2020 and 40% did so in 2024.
Listed high on the reasons for the shift were:
The economy
Public Safety
Affirmative Action (or more precisely the reaction to the opposition to AA labelling asians as ‘privileged,’ ‘selfish,’ ‘cheaters,’ ‘overrepresented,’ ‘white adjacent,’ and ‘resource hoarders’ )


The economic and safety issues are probably the most important because really who gives a fck what some asians in san francisco and farifax think.

“There is a movement against math” is pure propaganda BS.

+1
Never heard that there is any movement againts math or anything academic. People can accelerate their kids all they want. No law ever created that can’t stop them to enrich their kids academically.
If there is no acceleration available that is not because of a political movement, it is simply because there is no resource available. The public education service tend to prioritize the needs of the middle bell curve, the 95% population.

The truth is, nobody care about your feelings about math, whether you glorify it or despise it. If you heard one, it is called personal opinion.

But I feel like there is a movement to create an impression that Asian is under attack, this is actually the propaganda to swing the vote and somehow it works.
And I am an Asian.

The attack isn't against Asians it's against what we represent.

The traditional right wing racists don't like how Asians show up and grab all the lions share of academic recognition that used to go to more mediocre white kids. They feel like their communities are being gentrified as Asians move in and big up housing prices while the kids crowd out white kids from the AAP program.

The DEI left wing racist don't like how people use Asian success to imply that URM are lazy or inferior (the model minority my) and they begrudge us or success by taking the things we earn and giving it to those they think deserve a break. Then they call us racists for not going along with it.

They would both like us a lot more if we didn't succeed.

Please don’t hijack the thread with how Asians are victimized.

This thread is supposed to be about advancing in Math, not about what Asians represent. Open your own thread for that.

That's funny. You didn't seem to object to the post I am responding that brought up how this all just a misinformation campaign to influence Asian votes.

The war against math is part of the war against merit which is repulsive to most Asians.

If you're Asian and you haven't figured out of yet, you are stuck with a choice between

(I) Republicans that will hurt your feelings by saying they don't like you
(II) Democrats that will hurt your children's future but will say they like you

We've had a Republican president and Congress for several years now, and there have been 0 benefits to merit / math / gifted education. Same with Youngkin - he hasn't done anything to change educational policies on these issues.

I know it's feels like years but it's only been 6 months.

Republicans applauded SFFA vs Harvard. Democrats condemned it.

Republican condemned the changes in the TJ and Lowell admissions process and the attempts to change the Stuyvesant admissions process.
These changes were part of a nationwide democratic led war on merit.

Republicans may not have Asians at front of mind but their not actively trying to hurt our children.

The only republicans responsible for SFFA are on the SC. Condemning something is easy, making things happen is expensive. Promoting or building merit programs is not on the agenda, only scoring cheap shots against the left whenever possible.

. It's not a cheap spot, it's a valid criticism.

What merit building program hills are the Democrats willing to die on the way they were willing to die on the affirmative action hill?

To paraphrase RBG: I ask no favor for my race. All I ask of our woke brethren is that they take their feet off our necks

Equal rights, not special rights.

No. You do not get to quote RGB as if you are being oppressed.

GMAFB.

Open and notorious legality condoned institutional racial discrimination against a group was oppression. Continuing to do it when it's no longer legal is just racism.

Asians are not asking for special rights. They are asking for equal rights, equal opportunity. That's what affirmative action USED to be about. But there was this assumption that equal opportunity would lead to equal results and it didn't. So then affirmative action started to become less about equal opportunity and more about equal results. And THAT is where we started to run into problems.

TJ admissions is mostly equal opportunity. If anything, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools.

It’s a race blind process.

The majority of students enrolled are Asian students.

Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

We were talking about SFFA vs Harvard. That means we were talking about affirmative action.
When people talk about systemic racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM
When people talk about institutional racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM.

TJ is not engaging in explicit affirmative action but when you change a policy to increase some races at the expense of other races you are engaging in racism.
Anti-asian discrimination has a long and silent history in America. Pick up a book sometime. The entire reason we even have birthright citizenship caselaw is because of our history of anti-asian discrimination

P.S. Exceeding the qualification for free/reduced lunch does not make you wealthy. These parents all work for a living. This attempt to excuse racism against asians at TJ by portraying all the asians at TJ as wealthy is pretty scummy. You are scum.

Again, at TJ, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools. Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate. Kids from wealthy feeder schools are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

TJ added seats to give kids from across the county a chance to attend so it’s no longer hoarded by kids from wealthy feeder schools.

Asians are overrepresented because they have higher cognitive ability. They weren't born that way, they became that way. They're the ones that put in the work. They're the ones that made the sacrifices.

Discriminating against them because of their race is racism. You are not only excusing racism, you are advocating for it.

TJ provides no value to a kid who is not well prepared regardless of their income.
TJ isn't an anti poverty program.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process. GMAFB.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

Diversity chart based admissions but claim no discrimination.

It’s a race-blind process.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process.

There is really no point in debating someone who thinks that the fact that Asians are admitted at a higher-than-average rate is proof that there is no discrimination against Asian students. If this is your thought process, then we can't reach you with logic.

Facts:
>It’s a race-blind process. No racial preference.
>Asian students are accepted at a higher rate than almost all others.
>The group who benefited most from the change was students from low-income families.
>There are more Asian students enrolled at TJ today than almost any year in its history.
>The court ruled no discrimination.

Facts:

Facially neutral audience can be racist. That's the entire argument behind systemic racism and institutional racism.

You can be successful and still discriminated against

You can be over represented and still be discriminated against.

The court ruled before they knew that racial preferences = racial discrimination.

Everyone knows that the driving force behind the changed was a desire for racial diversity and the political impetus was BLM

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Anonymous wrote:Because some DCUM posters think nothing of paying more than 10K for travel sports and giving their kids repetitive strain injuries from a young age, but GOD FORBID that they be accused of being Tiger Parents and push their kids into improving their cognitive reasoning skills with MATH. Then they'd be like ASIAN ROBOTS (yes, they're racist too).

Like the FCPS Superintendent, SB, and Gatehouse, there is widespread hatred toward Asians on DCUM.

More fake news.

I don't know if it's hatred so much as annoyance and a bit of bitterness.

Asians and other successful minorities are inconvenient to the narrative that white supremacy is so powerful in this country that non-whites don't stand a chance as a group. When a group of mostly immigrants and their children outperform whites, the argument starts to fray. White people are annoyed that these asians are able to outperform their little Larlo and Larla? THEY MUST BE CHEATING!!!

Standardized exams (which have been used since at least WWII) are susceptible to a special form of cheating that only asians engage in. These crafty asians send their kids to academic enrichment classes like kumon, AOPS and RSM from the age of 7 or 8 and continue to cheat for the rest of their educational years by studying more than everybody else.

No one said that studying is cheating. More fake news from RWNJs trying to spin up division.

The more you try to bulldoze yourself and shut people up, the more you prove the point that there is a movement against math.

You are a liar trying to spin up a manufactured political issue. GTFO.

I say this with a lot of compassion: you need serious help. Your emotional state is obviously on the edge.

I have zero patience for people trying to F with our schools, particular RWNJs who are trying to score political points.

The only nut job here is you. If you don’t want the schools messed with work on it constructively.

You obviously like them to not improve. It must benefit you in some way.

More fake news.

The only thing I don't want are POS political operatives spinning up wedge issues with lies and fake issues. We get it. Rs are going to lose big time in November. These pathetic threads aren't going to help.

He's not "spinning up" wedge issues. These issues are already there, the left ignores them at their peril.
Asians moved 10 points to the right. 30% voted for trump in 2020 and 40% did so in 2024.
Listed high on the reasons for the shift were:
The economy
Public Safety
Affirmative Action (or more precisely the reaction to the opposition to AA labelling asians as ‘privileged,’ ‘selfish,’ ‘cheaters,’ ‘overrepresented,’ ‘white adjacent,’ and ‘resource hoarders’ )


The economic and safety issues are probably the most important because really who gives a fck what some asians in san francisco and farifax think.

“There is a movement against math” is pure propaganda BS.

+1
Never heard that there is any movement againts math or anything academic. People can accelerate their kids all they want. No law ever created that can’t stop them to enrich their kids academically.
If there is no acceleration available that is not because of a political movement, it is simply because there is no resource available. The public education service tend to prioritize the needs of the middle bell curve, the 95% population.

The truth is, nobody care about your feelings about math, whether you glorify it or despise it. If you heard one, it is called personal opinion.

But I feel like there is a movement to create an impression that Asian is under attack, this is actually the propaganda to swing the vote and somehow it works.
And I am an Asian.

The attack isn't against Asians it's against what we represent.

The traditional right wing racists don't like how Asians show up and grab all the lions share of academic recognition that used to go to more mediocre white kids. They feel like their communities are being gentrified as Asians move in and big up housing prices while the kids crowd out white kids from the AAP program.

The DEI left wing racist don't like how people use Asian success to imply that URM are lazy or inferior (the model minority my) and they begrudge us or success by taking the things we earn and giving it to those they think deserve a break. Then they call us racists for not going along with it.

They would both like us a lot more if we didn't succeed.

Please don’t hijack the thread with how Asians are victimized.

This thread is supposed to be about advancing in Math, not about what Asians represent. Open your own thread for that.

That's funny. You didn't seem to object to the post I am responding that brought up how this all just a misinformation campaign to influence Asian votes.

The war against math is part of the war against merit which is repulsive to most Asians.

If you're Asian and you haven't figured out of yet, you are stuck with a choice between

(I) Republicans that will hurt your feelings by saying they don't like you
(II) Democrats that will hurt your children's future but will say they like you

We've had a Republican president and Congress for several years now, and there have been 0 benefits to merit / math / gifted education. Same with Youngkin - he hasn't done anything to change educational policies on these issues.

I know it's feels like years but it's only been 6 months.

Republicans applauded SFFA vs Harvard. Democrats condemned it.

Republican condemned the changes in the TJ and Lowell admissions process and the attempts to change the Stuyvesant admissions process.
These changes were part of a nationwide democratic led war on merit.

Republicans may not have Asians at front of mind but their not actively trying to hurt our children.

The only republicans responsible for SFFA are on the SC. Condemning something is easy, making things happen is expensive. Promoting or building merit programs is not on the agenda, only scoring cheap shots against the left whenever possible.

. It's not a cheap spot, it's a valid criticism.

What merit building program hills are the Democrats willing to die on the way they were willing to die on the affirmative action hill?

To paraphrase RBG: I ask no favor for my race. All I ask of our woke brethren is that they take their feet off our necks

Equal rights, not special rights.

No. You do not get to quote RGB as if you are being oppressed.

GMAFB.

Open and notorious legality condoned institutional racial discrimination against a group was oppression. Continuing to do it when it's no longer legal is just racism.

Asians are not asking for special rights. They are asking for equal rights, equal opportunity. That's what affirmative action USED to be about. But there was this assumption that equal opportunity would lead to equal results and it didn't. So then affirmative action started to become less about equal opportunity and more about equal results. And THAT is where we started to run into problems.

TJ admissions is mostly equal opportunity. If anything, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools.

It’s a race blind process.

The majority of students enrolled are Asian students.

Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

We were talking about SFFA vs Harvard. That means we were talking about affirmative action.
When people talk about systemic racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM
When people talk about institutional racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM.

TJ is not engaging in explicit affirmative action but when you change a policy to increase some races at the expense of other races you are engaging in racism.
Anti-asian discrimination has a long and silent history in America. Pick up a book sometime. The entire reason we even have birthright citizenship caselaw is because of our history of anti-asian discrimination

P.S. Exceeding the qualification for free/reduced lunch does not make you wealthy. These parents all work for a living. This attempt to excuse racism against asians at TJ by portraying all the asians at TJ as wealthy is pretty scummy. You are scum.

Again, at TJ, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools. Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate. Kids from wealthy feeder schools are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

TJ added seats to give kids from across the county a chance to attend so it’s no longer hoarded by kids from wealthy feeder schools.

Asians are overrepresented because they have higher cognitive ability. They weren't born that way, they became that way. They're the ones that put in the work. They're the ones that made the sacrifices.

Discriminating against them because of their race is racism. You are not only excusing racism, you are advocating for it.

TJ provides no value to a kid who is not well prepared regardless of their income.
TJ isn't an anti poverty program.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process. GMAFB.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

Diversity chart based admissions but claim no discrimination.

It’s a race-blind process.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process.

There is really no point in debating someone who thinks that the fact that Asians are admitted at a higher-than-average rate is proof that there is no discrimination against Asian students. If this is your thought process, then we can't reach you with logic.

Facts:
>It’s a race-blind process. No racial preference.
>Asian students are accepted at a higher rate than almost all others.
>The group who benefited most from the change was students from low-income families.
>There are more Asian students enrolled at TJ today than almost any year in its history.
>The court ruled no discrimination.

I see the woke left is hard at work trying to lose the next election.

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Anonymous wrote:Because some DCUM posters think nothing of paying more than 10K for travel sports and giving their kids repetitive strain injuries from a young age, but GOD FORBID that they be accused of being Tiger Parents and push their kids into improving their cognitive reasoning skills with MATH. Then they'd be like ASIAN ROBOTS (yes, they're racist too).

Like the FCPS Superintendent, SB, and Gatehouse, there is widespread hatred toward Asians on DCUM.

More fake news.

I don't know if it's hatred so much as annoyance and a bit of bitterness.

Asians and other successful minorities are inconvenient to the narrative that white supremacy is so powerful in this country that non-whites don't stand a chance as a group. When a group of mostly immigrants and their children outperform whites, the argument starts to fray. White people are annoyed that these asians are able to outperform their little Larlo and Larla? THEY MUST BE CHEATING!!!

Standardized exams (which have been used since at least WWII) are susceptible to a special form of cheating that only asians engage in. These crafty asians send their kids to academic enrichment classes like kumon, AOPS and RSM from the age of 7 or 8 and continue to cheat for the rest of their educational years by studying more than everybody else.

No one said that studying is cheating. More fake news from RWNJs trying to spin up division.

The more you try to bulldoze yourself and shut people up, the more you prove the point that there is a movement against math.

You are a liar trying to spin up a manufactured political issue. GTFO.

I say this with a lot of compassion: you need serious help. Your emotional state is obviously on the edge.

I have zero patience for people trying to F with our schools, particular RWNJs who are trying to score political points.

The only nut job here is you. If you don’t want the schools messed with work on it constructively.

You obviously like them to not improve. It must benefit you in some way.

More fake news.

The only thing I don't want are POS political operatives spinning up wedge issues with lies and fake issues. We get it. Rs are going to lose big time in November. These pathetic threads aren't going to help.

He's not "spinning up" wedge issues. These issues are already there, the left ignores them at their peril.
Asians moved 10 points to the right. 30% voted for trump in 2020 and 40% did so in 2024.
Listed high on the reasons for the shift were:
The economy
Public Safety
Affirmative Action (or more precisely the reaction to the opposition to AA labelling asians as ‘privileged,’ ‘selfish,’ ‘cheaters,’ ‘overrepresented,’ ‘white adjacent,’ and ‘resource hoarders’ )


The economic and safety issues are probably the most important because really who gives a fck what some asians in san francisco and farifax think.

“There is a movement against math” is pure propaganda BS.

+1
Never heard that there is any movement againts math or anything academic. People can accelerate their kids all they want. No law ever created that can’t stop them to enrich their kids academically.
If there is no acceleration available that is not because of a political movement, it is simply because there is no resource available. The public education service tend to prioritize the needs of the middle bell curve, the 95% population.

The truth is, nobody care about your feelings about math, whether you glorify it or despise it. If you heard one, it is called personal opinion.

But I feel like there is a movement to create an impression that Asian is under attack, this is actually the propaganda to swing the vote and somehow it works.
And I am an Asian.

The attack isn't against Asians it's against what we represent.

The traditional right wing racists don't like how Asians show up and grab all the lions share of academic recognition that used to go to more mediocre white kids. They feel like their communities are being gentrified as Asians move in and big up housing prices while the kids crowd out white kids from the AAP program.

The DEI left wing racist don't like how people use Asian success to imply that URM are lazy or inferior (the model minority my) and they begrudge us or success by taking the things we earn and giving it to those they think deserve a break. Then they call us racists for not going along with it.

They would both like us a lot more if we didn't succeed.

Please don’t hijack the thread with how Asians are victimized.

This thread is supposed to be about advancing in Math, not about what Asians represent. Open your own thread for that.

That's funny. You didn't seem to object to the post I am responding that brought up how this all just a misinformation campaign to influence Asian votes.

The war against math is part of the war against merit which is repulsive to most Asians.

If you're Asian and you haven't figured out of yet, you are stuck with a choice between

(I) Republicans that will hurt your feelings by saying they don't like you
(II) Democrats that will hurt your children's future but will say they like you

We've had a Republican president and Congress for several years now, and there have been 0 benefits to merit / math / gifted education. Same with Youngkin - he hasn't done anything to change educational policies on these issues.

I know it's feels like years but it's only been 6 months.

Republicans applauded SFFA vs Harvard. Democrats condemned it.

Republican condemned the changes in the TJ and Lowell admissions process and the attempts to change the Stuyvesant admissions process.
These changes were part of a nationwide democratic led war on merit.

Republicans may not have Asians at front of mind but their not actively trying to hurt our children.

The only republicans responsible for SFFA are on the SC. Condemning something is easy, making things happen is expensive. Promoting or building merit programs is not on the agenda, only scoring cheap shots against the left whenever possible.

. It's not a cheap spot, it's a valid criticism.

What merit building program hills are the Democrats willing to die on the way they were willing to die on the affirmative action hill?

To paraphrase RBG: I ask no favor for my race. All I ask of our woke brethren is that they take their feet off our necks

Equal rights, not special rights.

No. You do not get to quote RGB as if you are being oppressed.

GMAFB.

Open and notorious legality condoned institutional racial discrimination against a group was oppression. Continuing to do it when it's no longer legal is just racism.

Asians are not asking for special rights. They are asking for equal rights, equal opportunity. That's what affirmative action USED to be about. But there was this assumption that equal opportunity would lead to equal results and it didn't. So then affirmative action started to become less about equal opportunity and more about equal results. And THAT is where we started to run into problems.

TJ admissions is mostly equal opportunity. If anything, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools.

It’s a race blind process.

The majority of students enrolled are Asian students.

Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

We were talking about SFFA vs Harvard. That means we were talking about affirmative action.
When people talk about systemic racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM
When people talk about institutional racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM.

TJ is not engaging in explicit affirmative action but when you change a policy to increase some races at the expense of other races you are engaging in racism.
Anti-asian discrimination has a long and silent history in America. Pick up a book sometime. The entire reason we even have birthright citizenship caselaw is because of our history of anti-asian discrimination

P.S. Exceeding the qualification for free/reduced lunch does not make you wealthy. These parents all work for a living. This attempt to excuse racism against asians at TJ by portraying all the asians at TJ as wealthy is pretty scummy. You are scum.

Again, at TJ, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools. Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate. Kids from wealthy feeder schools are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

TJ added seats to give kids from across the county a chance to attend so it’s no longer hoarded by kids from wealthy feeder schools.

Asians are overrepresented because they have higher cognitive ability. They weren't born that way, they became that way. They're the ones that put in the work. They're the ones that made the sacrifices.

Discriminating against them because of their race is racism. You are not only excusing racism, you are advocating for it.

TJ provides no value to a kid who is not well prepared regardless of their income.
TJ isn't an anti poverty program.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process. GMAFB.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

Diversity chart based admissions but claim no discrimination.

It’s a race-blind process.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process.

There is really no point in debating someone who thinks that the fact that Asians are admitted at a higher-than-average rate is proof that there is no discrimination against Asian students. If this is your thought process, then we can't reach you with logic.

Facts:
>It’s a race-blind process. No racial preference.
>Asian students are accepted at a higher rate than almost all others.
>The group who benefited most from the change was students from low-income families.
>There are more Asian students enrolled at TJ today than almost any year in its history.
>The court ruled no discrimination.

Facts:

Facially neutral audience can be racist. That's the entire argument behind systemic racism and institutional racism.

You can be successful and still discriminated against

You can be over represented and still be discriminated against.

The court ruled before they knew that racial preferences = racial discrimination.

Everyone knows that the driving force behind the changed was a desire for racial diversity and the political impetus was BLM

**THERE ARE NO RACIAL PREFERENCES FOR TJ ADMISSIONS**

The TJ admissions process is race blind.

There has been a push for many years for racial *and* economic diversity. It's not all about BLM.
Sookyung Oh, Director of Hamkae Center shared, “Every parent wants to know their child will not be disadvantaged in our public education system no matter their personal wealth or language abilities. It is imperative that students from communities of color, including Asian Americans, will not be disadvantaged by an unfair admissions process and will have the same access to educational opportunities only previously afforded to those with the wealth and privilege to get their children into schools like TJ.”
https://www.advancingjustice-aajc.org/press-release/multi-racial-group-thomas-jefferson-students-family-and-alumni-denounce-effort

The actual changes were geographic/economic diversity. And the groups who saw the largest increase were Asian students from underrepresented MSs and from low-income families.
“Nevertheless, in the 2021 application cycle, Asian American students attending middle schools historically underrepresented at TJ saw a sixfold increase in offers, and the number of low-income Asian American admittees to TJ increased to 51 — from a mere one in 2020.”
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Because some DCUM posters think nothing of paying more than 10K for travel sports and giving their kids repetitive strain injuries from a young age, but GOD FORBID that they be accused of being Tiger Parents and push their kids into improving their cognitive reasoning skills with MATH. Then they'd be like ASIAN ROBOTS (yes, they're racist too).

Like the FCPS Superintendent, SB, and Gatehouse, there is widespread hatred toward Asians on DCUM.

More fake news.

I don't know if it's hatred so much as annoyance and a bit of bitterness.

Asians and other successful minorities are inconvenient to the narrative that white supremacy is so powerful in this country that non-whites don't stand a chance as a group. When a group of mostly immigrants and their children outperform whites, the argument starts to fray. White people are annoyed that these asians are able to outperform their little Larlo and Larla? THEY MUST BE CHEATING!!!

Standardized exams (which have been used since at least WWII) are susceptible to a special form of cheating that only asians engage in. These crafty asians send their kids to academic enrichment classes like kumon, AOPS and RSM from the age of 7 or 8 and continue to cheat for the rest of their educational years by studying more than everybody else.

No one said that studying is cheating. More fake news from RWNJs trying to spin up division.

The more you try to bulldoze yourself and shut people up, the more you prove the point that there is a movement against math.

You are a liar trying to spin up a manufactured political issue. GTFO.

I say this with a lot of compassion: you need serious help. Your emotional state is obviously on the edge.

I have zero patience for people trying to F with our schools, particular RWNJs who are trying to score political points.

The only nut job here is you. If you don’t want the schools messed with work on it constructively.

You obviously like them to not improve. It must benefit you in some way.

More fake news.

The only thing I don't want are POS political operatives spinning up wedge issues with lies and fake issues. We get it. Rs are going to lose big time in November. These pathetic threads aren't going to help.

He's not "spinning up" wedge issues. These issues are already there, the left ignores them at their peril.
Asians moved 10 points to the right. 30% voted for trump in 2020 and 40% did so in 2024.
Listed high on the reasons for the shift were:
The economy
Public Safety
Affirmative Action (or more precisely the reaction to the opposition to AA labelling asians as ‘privileged,’ ‘selfish,’ ‘cheaters,’ ‘overrepresented,’ ‘white adjacent,’ and ‘resource hoarders’ )


The economic and safety issues are probably the most important because really who gives a fck what some asians in san francisco and farifax think.

“There is a movement against math” is pure propaganda BS.

+1
Never heard that there is any movement againts math or anything academic. People can accelerate their kids all they want. No law ever created that can’t stop them to enrich their kids academically.
If there is no acceleration available that is not because of a political movement, it is simply because there is no resource available. The public education service tend to prioritize the needs of the middle bell curve, the 95% population.

The truth is, nobody care about your feelings about math, whether you glorify it or despise it. If you heard one, it is called personal opinion.

But I feel like there is a movement to create an impression that Asian is under attack, this is actually the propaganda to swing the vote and somehow it works.
And I am an Asian.

The attack isn't against Asians it's against what we represent.

The traditional right wing racists don't like how Asians show up and grab all the lions share of academic recognition that used to go to more mediocre white kids. They feel like their communities are being gentrified as Asians move in and big up housing prices while the kids crowd out white kids from the AAP program.

The DEI left wing racist don't like how people use Asian success to imply that URM are lazy or inferior (the model minority my) and they begrudge us or success by taking the things we earn and giving it to those they think deserve a break. Then they call us racists for not going along with it.

They would both like us a lot more if we didn't succeed.

Please don’t hijack the thread with how Asians are victimized.

This thread is supposed to be about advancing in Math, not about what Asians represent. Open your own thread for that.

That's funny. You didn't seem to object to the post I am responding that brought up how this all just a misinformation campaign to influence Asian votes.

The war against math is part of the war against merit which is repulsive to most Asians.

If you're Asian and you haven't figured out of yet, you are stuck with a choice between

(I) Republicans that will hurt your feelings by saying they don't like you
(II) Democrats that will hurt your children's future but will say they like you

We've had a Republican president and Congress for several years now, and there have been 0 benefits to merit / math / gifted education. Same with Youngkin - he hasn't done anything to change educational policies on these issues.

I know it's feels like years but it's only been 6 months.

Republicans applauded SFFA vs Harvard. Democrats condemned it.

Republican condemned the changes in the TJ and Lowell admissions process and the attempts to change the Stuyvesant admissions process.
These changes were part of a nationwide democratic led war on merit.

Republicans may not have Asians at front of mind but their not actively trying to hurt our children.

The only republicans responsible for SFFA are on the SC. Condemning something is easy, making things happen is expensive. Promoting or building merit programs is not on the agenda, only scoring cheap shots against the left whenever possible.

. It's not a cheap spot, it's a valid criticism.

What merit building program hills are the Democrats willing to die on the way they were willing to die on the affirmative action hill?

To paraphrase RBG: I ask no favor for my race. All I ask of our woke brethren is that they take their feet off our necks

Equal rights, not special rights.

No. You do not get to quote RGB as if you are being oppressed.

GMAFB.

Open and notorious legality condoned institutional racial discrimination against a group was oppression. Continuing to do it when it's no longer legal is just racism.

Asians are not asking for special rights. They are asking for equal rights, equal opportunity. That's what affirmative action USED to be about. But there was this assumption that equal opportunity would lead to equal results and it didn't. So then affirmative action started to become less about equal opportunity and more about equal results. And THAT is where we started to run into problems.

TJ admissions is mostly equal opportunity. If anything, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools.

It’s a race blind process.

The majority of students enrolled are Asian students.

Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

We were talking about SFFA vs Harvard. That means we were talking about affirmative action.
When people talk about systemic racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM
When people talk about institutional racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM.

TJ is not engaging in explicit affirmative action but when you change a policy to increase some races at the expense of other races you are engaging in racism.
Anti-asian discrimination has a long and silent history in America. Pick up a book sometime. The entire reason we even have birthright citizenship caselaw is because of our history of anti-asian discrimination

P.S. Exceeding the qualification for free/reduced lunch does not make you wealthy. These parents all work for a living. This attempt to excuse racism against asians at TJ by portraying all the asians at TJ as wealthy is pretty scummy. You are scum.

Again, at TJ, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools. Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate. Kids from wealthy feeder schools are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

TJ added seats to give kids from across the county a chance to attend so it’s no longer hoarded by kids from wealthy feeder schools.

Asians are overrepresented because they have higher cognitive ability. They weren't born that way, they became that way. They're the ones that put in the work. They're the ones that made the sacrifices.

Discriminating against them because of their race is racism. You are not only excusing racism, you are advocating for it.

TJ provides no value to a kid who is not well prepared regardless of their income.
TJ isn't an anti poverty program.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process. GMAFB.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

Diversity chart based admissions but claim no discrimination.

It’s a race-blind process.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process.

There is really no point in debating someone who thinks that the fact that Asians are admitted at a higher-than-average rate is proof that there is no discrimination against Asian students. If this is your thought process, then we can't reach you with logic.

Facts:
>It’s a race-blind process. No racial preference.
>Asian students are accepted at a higher rate than almost all others.
>The group who benefited most from the change was students from low-income families.
>There are more Asian students enrolled at TJ today than almost any year in its history.
>The court ruled no discrimination.

I see the woke left is hard at work trying to lose the next election.

I see the RWNJs are trying to push their lies again.

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Anonymous wrote:Because some DCUM posters think nothing of paying more than 10K for travel sports and giving their kids repetitive strain injuries from a young age, but GOD FORBID that they be accused of being Tiger Parents and push their kids into improving their cognitive reasoning skills with MATH. Then they'd be like ASIAN ROBOTS (yes, they're racist too).

Like the FCPS Superintendent, SB, and Gatehouse, there is widespread hatred toward Asians on DCUM.

More fake news.

I don't know if it's hatred so much as annoyance and a bit of bitterness.

Asians and other successful minorities are inconvenient to the narrative that white supremacy is so powerful in this country that non-whites don't stand a chance as a group. When a group of mostly immigrants and their children outperform whites, the argument starts to fray. White people are annoyed that these asians are able to outperform their little Larlo and Larla? THEY MUST BE CHEATING!!!

Standardized exams (which have been used since at least WWII) are susceptible to a special form of cheating that only asians engage in. These crafty asians send their kids to academic enrichment classes like kumon, AOPS and RSM from the age of 7 or 8 and continue to cheat for the rest of their educational years by studying more than everybody else.

No one said that studying is cheating. More fake news from RWNJs trying to spin up division.

The more you try to bulldoze yourself and shut people up, the more you prove the point that there is a movement against math.

You are a liar trying to spin up a manufactured political issue. GTFO.

I say this with a lot of compassion: you need serious help. Your emotional state is obviously on the edge.

I have zero patience for people trying to F with our schools, particular RWNJs who are trying to score political points.

The only nut job here is you. If you don’t want the schools messed with work on it constructively.

You obviously like them to not improve. It must benefit you in some way.

More fake news.

The only thing I don't want are POS political operatives spinning up wedge issues with lies and fake issues. We get it. Rs are going to lose big time in November. These pathetic threads aren't going to help.

He's not "spinning up" wedge issues. These issues are already there, the left ignores them at their peril.
Asians moved 10 points to the right. 30% voted for trump in 2020 and 40% did so in 2024.
Listed high on the reasons for the shift were:
The economy
Public Safety
Affirmative Action (or more precisely the reaction to the opposition to AA labelling asians as ‘privileged,’ ‘selfish,’ ‘cheaters,’ ‘overrepresented,’ ‘white adjacent,’ and ‘resource hoarders’ )


The economic and safety issues are probably the most important because really who gives a fck what some asians in san francisco and farifax think.

“There is a movement against math” is pure propaganda BS.

+1
Never heard that there is any movement againts math or anything academic. People can accelerate their kids all they want. No law ever created that can’t stop them to enrich their kids academically.
If there is no acceleration available that is not because of a political movement, it is simply because there is no resource available. The public education service tend to prioritize the needs of the middle bell curve, the 95% population.

The truth is, nobody care about your feelings about math, whether you glorify it or despise it. If you heard one, it is called personal opinion.

But I feel like there is a movement to create an impression that Asian is under attack, this is actually the propaganda to swing the vote and somehow it works.
And I am an Asian.

The attack isn't against Asians it's against what we represent.

The traditional right wing racists don't like how Asians show up and grab all the lions share of academic recognition that used to go to more mediocre white kids. They feel like their communities are being gentrified as Asians move in and big up housing prices while the kids crowd out white kids from the AAP program.

The DEI left wing racist don't like how people use Asian success to imply that URM are lazy or inferior (the model minority my) and they begrudge us or success by taking the things we earn and giving it to those they think deserve a break. Then they call us racists for not going along with it.

They would both like us a lot more if we didn't succeed.

Please don’t hijack the thread with how Asians are victimized.

This thread is supposed to be about advancing in Math, not about what Asians represent. Open your own thread for that.

That's funny. You didn't seem to object to the post I am responding that brought up how this all just a misinformation campaign to influence Asian votes.

The war against math is part of the war against merit which is repulsive to most Asians.

If you're Asian and you haven't figured out of yet, you are stuck with a choice between

(I) Republicans that will hurt your feelings by saying they don't like you
(II) Democrats that will hurt your children's future but will say they like you

We've had a Republican president and Congress for several years now, and there have been 0 benefits to merit / math / gifted education. Same with Youngkin - he hasn't done anything to change educational policies on these issues.

I know it's feels like years but it's only been 6 months.

Republicans applauded SFFA vs Harvard. Democrats condemned it.

Republican condemned the changes in the TJ and Lowell admissions process and the attempts to change the Stuyvesant admissions process.
These changes were part of a nationwide democratic led war on merit.

Republicans may not have Asians at front of mind but their not actively trying to hurt our children.

The only republicans responsible for SFFA are on the SC. Condemning something is easy, making things happen is expensive. Promoting or building merit programs is not on the agenda, only scoring cheap shots against the left whenever possible.

. It's not a cheap spot, it's a valid criticism.

What merit building program hills are the Democrats willing to die on the way they were willing to die on the affirmative action hill?

To paraphrase RBG: I ask no favor for my race. All I ask of our woke brethren is that they take their feet off our necks

Equal rights, not special rights.

No. You do not get to quote RGB as if you are being oppressed.

GMAFB.

Open and notorious legality condoned institutional racial discrimination against a group was oppression. Continuing to do it when it's no longer legal is just racism.

Asians are not asking for special rights. They are asking for equal rights, equal opportunity. That's what affirmative action USED to be about. But there was this assumption that equal opportunity would lead to equal results and it didn't. So then affirmative action started to become less about equal opportunity and more about equal results. And THAT is where we started to run into problems.

TJ admissions is mostly equal opportunity. If anything, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools.

It’s a race blind process.

The majority of students enrolled are Asian students.

Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

We were talking about SFFA vs Harvard. That means we were talking about affirmative action.
When people talk about systemic racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM
When people talk about institutional racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM.

TJ is not engaging in explicit affirmative action but when you change a policy to increase some races at the expense of other races you are engaging in racism.
Anti-asian discrimination has a long and silent history in America. Pick up a book sometime. The entire reason we even have birthright citizenship caselaw is because of our history of anti-asian discrimination

P.S. Exceeding the qualification for free/reduced lunch does not make you wealthy. These parents all work for a living. This attempt to excuse racism against asians at TJ by portraying all the asians at TJ as wealthy is pretty scummy. You are scum.

Again, at TJ, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools. Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate. Kids from wealthy feeder schools are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

TJ added seats to give kids from across the county a chance to attend so it’s no longer hoarded by kids from wealthy feeder schools.

Asians are overrepresented because they have higher cognitive ability. They weren't born that way, they became that way. They're the ones that put in the work. They're the ones that made the sacrifices.

Discriminating against them because of their race is racism. You are not only excusing racism, you are advocating for it.

TJ provides no value to a kid who is not well prepared regardless of their income.
TJ isn't an anti poverty program.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process. GMAFB.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

Diversity chart based admissions but claim no discrimination.

It’s a race-blind process.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process.

There is really no point in debating someone who thinks that the fact that Asians are admitted at a higher-than-average rate is proof that there is no discrimination against Asian students. If this is your thought process, then we can't reach you with logic.

Facts:
>It’s a race-blind process. No racial preference.
>Asian students are accepted at a higher rate than almost all others.
>The group who benefited most from the change was students from low-income families.
>There are more Asian students enrolled at TJ today than almost any year in its history.
>The court ruled no discrimination.

Facts:

Facially neutral audience can be racist. That's the entire argument behind systemic racism and institutional racism.

You can be successful and still discriminated against

You can be over represented and still be discriminated against.

The court ruled before they knew that racial preferences = racial discrimination.

Everyone knows that the driving force behind the changed was a desire for racial diversity and the political impetus was BLM

**THERE ARE NO RACIAL PREFERENCES FOR TJ ADMISSIONS**

The TJ admissions process is race blind.

There has been a push for many years for racial *and* economic diversity. It's not all about BLM.
Sookyung Oh, Director of Hamkae Center shared, “Every parent wants to know their child will not be disadvantaged in our public education system no matter their personal wealth or language abilities. It is imperative that students from communities of color, including Asian Americans, will not be disadvantaged by an unfair admissions process and will have the same access to educational opportunities only previously afforded to those with the wealth and privilege to get their children into schools like TJ.”
https://www.advancingjustice-aajc.org/press-release/multi-racial-group-thomas-jefferson-students-family-and-alumni-denounce-effort

The actual changes were geographic/economic diversity. And the groups who saw the largest increase were Asian students from underrepresented MSs and from low-income families.
“Nevertheless, in the 2021 application cycle, Asian American students attending middle schools historically underrepresented at TJ saw a sixfold increase in offers, and the number of low-income Asian American admittees to TJ increased to 51 — from a mere one in 2020.”
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf

Didn’t being a young scholar provide a boost? And wasn’t young scholars based along a racial preference?

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Anonymous wrote:Because some DCUM posters think nothing of paying more than 10K for travel sports and giving their kids repetitive strain injuries from a young age, but GOD FORBID that they be accused of being Tiger Parents and push their kids into improving their cognitive reasoning skills with MATH. Then they'd be like ASIAN ROBOTS (yes, they're racist too).

Like the FCPS Superintendent, SB, and Gatehouse, there is widespread hatred toward Asians on DCUM.

More fake news.

I don't know if it's hatred so much as annoyance and a bit of bitterness.

Asians and other successful minorities are inconvenient to the narrative that white supremacy is so powerful in this country that non-whites don't stand a chance as a group. When a group of mostly immigrants and their children outperform whites, the argument starts to fray. White people are annoyed that these asians are able to outperform their little Larlo and Larla? THEY MUST BE CHEATING!!!

Standardized exams (which have been used since at least WWII) are susceptible to a special form of cheating that only asians engage in. These crafty asians send their kids to academic enrichment classes like kumon, AOPS and RSM from the age of 7 or 8 and continue to cheat for the rest of their educational years by studying more than everybody else.

No one said that studying is cheating. More fake news from RWNJs trying to spin up division.

The more you try to bulldoze yourself and shut people up, the more you prove the point that there is a movement against math.

You are a liar trying to spin up a manufactured political issue. GTFO.

I say this with a lot of compassion: you need serious help. Your emotional state is obviously on the edge.

I have zero patience for people trying to F with our schools, particular RWNJs who are trying to score political points.

The only nut job here is you. If you don’t want the schools messed with work on it constructively.

You obviously like them to not improve. It must benefit you in some way.

More fake news.

The only thing I don't want are POS political operatives spinning up wedge issues with lies and fake issues. We get it. Rs are going to lose big time in November. These pathetic threads aren't going to help.

He's not "spinning up" wedge issues. These issues are already there, the left ignores them at their peril.
Asians moved 10 points to the right. 30% voted for trump in 2020 and 40% did so in 2024.
Listed high on the reasons for the shift were:
The economy
Public Safety
Affirmative Action (or more precisely the reaction to the opposition to AA labelling asians as ‘privileged,’ ‘selfish,’ ‘cheaters,’ ‘overrepresented,’ ‘white adjacent,’ and ‘resource hoarders’ )


The economic and safety issues are probably the most important because really who gives a fck what some asians in san francisco and farifax think.

“There is a movement against math” is pure propaganda BS.

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Never heard that there is any movement againts math or anything academic. People can accelerate their kids all they want. No law ever created that can’t stop them to enrich their kids academically.
If there is no acceleration available that is not because of a political movement, it is simply because there is no resource available. The public education service tend to prioritize the needs of the middle bell curve, the 95% population.

The truth is, nobody care about your feelings about math, whether you glorify it or despise it. If you heard one, it is called personal opinion.

But I feel like there is a movement to create an impression that Asian is under attack, this is actually the propaganda to swing the vote and somehow it works.
And I am an Asian.

The attack isn't against Asians it's against what we represent.

The traditional right wing racists don't like how Asians show up and grab all the lions share of academic recognition that used to go to more mediocre white kids. They feel like their communities are being gentrified as Asians move in and big up housing prices while the kids crowd out white kids from the AAP program.

The DEI left wing racist don't like how people use Asian success to imply that URM are lazy or inferior (the model minority my) and they begrudge us or success by taking the things we earn and giving it to those they think deserve a break. Then they call us racists for not going along with it.

They would both like us a lot more if we didn't succeed.

Please don’t hijack the thread with how Asians are victimized.

This thread is supposed to be about advancing in Math, not about what Asians represent. Open your own thread for that.

That's funny. You didn't seem to object to the post I am responding that brought up how this all just a misinformation campaign to influence Asian votes.

The war against math is part of the war against merit which is repulsive to most Asians.

If you're Asian and you haven't figured out of yet, you are stuck with a choice between

(I) Republicans that will hurt your feelings by saying they don't like you
(II) Democrats that will hurt your children's future but will say they like you

We've had a Republican president and Congress for several years now, and there have been 0 benefits to merit / math / gifted education. Same with Youngkin - he hasn't done anything to change educational policies on these issues.

I know it's feels like years but it's only been 6 months.

Republicans applauded SFFA vs Harvard. Democrats condemned it.

Republican condemned the changes in the TJ and Lowell admissions process and the attempts to change the Stuyvesant admissions process.
These changes were part of a nationwide democratic led war on merit.

Republicans may not have Asians at front of mind but their not actively trying to hurt our children.

The only republicans responsible for SFFA are on the SC. Condemning something is easy, making things happen is expensive. Promoting or building merit programs is not on the agenda, only scoring cheap shots against the left whenever possible.

. It's not a cheap spot, it's a valid criticism.

What merit building program hills are the Democrats willing to die on the way they were willing to die on the affirmative action hill?

To paraphrase RBG: I ask no favor for my race. All I ask of our woke brethren is that they take their feet off our necks

Equal rights, not special rights.

No. You do not get to quote RGB as if you are being oppressed.

GMAFB.

Open and notorious legality condoned institutional racial discrimination against a group was oppression. Continuing to do it when it's no longer legal is just racism.

Asians are not asking for special rights. They are asking for equal rights, equal opportunity. That's what affirmative action USED to be about. But there was this assumption that equal opportunity would lead to equal results and it didn't. So then affirmative action started to become less about equal opportunity and more about equal results. And THAT is where we started to run into problems.

TJ admissions is mostly equal opportunity. If anything, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools.

It’s a race blind process.

The majority of students enrolled are Asian students.

Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

We were talking about SFFA vs Harvard. That means we were talking about affirmative action.
When people talk about systemic racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM
When people talk about institutional racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM.

TJ is not engaging in explicit affirmative action but when you change a policy to increase some races at the expense of other races you are engaging in racism.
Anti-asian discrimination has a long and silent history in America. Pick up a book sometime. The entire reason we even have birthright citizenship caselaw is because of our history of anti-asian discrimination

P.S. Exceeding the qualification for free/reduced lunch does not make you wealthy. These parents all work for a living. This attempt to excuse racism against asians at TJ by portraying all the asians at TJ as wealthy is pretty scummy. You are scum.

Again, at TJ, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools. Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate. Kids from wealthy feeder schools are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

TJ added seats to give kids from across the county a chance to attend so it’s no longer hoarded by kids from wealthy feeder schools.

Asians are overrepresented because they have higher cognitive ability. They weren't born that way, they became that way. They're the ones that put in the work. They're the ones that made the sacrifices.

Discriminating against them because of their race is racism. You are not only excusing racism, you are advocating for it.

TJ provides no value to a kid who is not well prepared regardless of their income.
TJ isn't an anti poverty program.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process. GMAFB.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

Diversity chart based admissions but claim no discrimination.

It’s a race-blind process.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process.

There is really no point in debating someone who thinks that the fact that Asians are admitted at a higher-than-average rate is proof that there is no discrimination against Asian students. If this is your thought process, then we can't reach you with logic.

Facts:
>It’s a race-blind process. No racial preference.
>Asian students are accepted at a higher rate than almost all others.
>The group who benefited most from the change was students from low-income families.
>There are more Asian students enrolled at TJ today than almost any year in its history.
>The court ruled no discrimination.

Facts:

Facially neutral audience can be racist. That's the entire argument behind systemic racism and institutional racism.

You can be successful and still discriminated against

You can be over represented and still be discriminated against.

The court ruled before they knew that racial preferences = racial discrimination.

Everyone knows that the driving force behind the changed was a desire for racial diversity and the political impetus was BLM

**THERE ARE NO RACIAL PREFERENCES FOR TJ ADMISSIONS**

The TJ admissions process is race blind.

There has been a push for many years for racial *and* economic diversity. It's not all about BLM.
Sookyung Oh, Director of Hamkae Center shared, “Every parent wants to know their child will not be disadvantaged in our public education system no matter their personal wealth or language abilities. It is imperative that students from communities of color, including Asian Americans, will not be disadvantaged by an unfair admissions process and will have the same access to educational opportunities only previously afforded to those with the wealth and privilege to get their children into schools like TJ.”
https://www.advancingjustice-aajc.org/press-release/multi-racial-group-thomas-jefferson-students-family-and-alumni-denounce-effort

The actual changes were geographic/economic diversity. And the groups who saw the largest increase were Asian students from underrepresented MSs and from low-income families.
“Nevertheless, in the 2021 application cycle, Asian American students attending middle schools historically underrepresented at TJ saw a sixfold increase in offers, and the number of low-income Asian American admittees to TJ increased to 51 — from a mere one in 2020.”
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf

Either you are stupid or you think we are. The racial preference isn't explicit. It's achieved through proxies.

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Anonymous wrote:Because some DCUM posters think nothing of paying more than 10K for travel sports and giving their kids repetitive strain injuries from a young age, but GOD FORBID that they be accused of being Tiger Parents and push their kids into improving their cognitive reasoning skills with MATH. Then they'd be like ASIAN ROBOTS (yes, they're racist too).

Like the FCPS Superintendent, SB, and Gatehouse, there is widespread hatred toward Asians on DCUM.

More fake news.

I don't know if it's hatred so much as annoyance and a bit of bitterness.

Asians and other successful minorities are inconvenient to the narrative that white supremacy is so powerful in this country that non-whites don't stand a chance as a group. When a group of mostly immigrants and their children outperform whites, the argument starts to fray. White people are annoyed that these asians are able to outperform their little Larlo and Larla? THEY MUST BE CHEATING!!!

Standardized exams (which have been used since at least WWII) are susceptible to a special form of cheating that only asians engage in. These crafty asians send their kids to academic enrichment classes like kumon, AOPS and RSM from the age of 7 or 8 and continue to cheat for the rest of their educational years by studying more than everybody else.

No one said that studying is cheating. More fake news from RWNJs trying to spin up division.

The more you try to bulldoze yourself and shut people up, the more you prove the point that there is a movement against math.

You are a liar trying to spin up a manufactured political issue. GTFO.

I say this with a lot of compassion: you need serious help. Your emotional state is obviously on the edge.

I have zero patience for people trying to F with our schools, particular RWNJs who are trying to score political points.

The only nut job here is you. If you don’t want the schools messed with work on it constructively.

You obviously like them to not improve. It must benefit you in some way.

More fake news.

The only thing I don't want are POS political operatives spinning up wedge issues with lies and fake issues. We get it. Rs are going to lose big time in November. These pathetic threads aren't going to help.

He's not "spinning up" wedge issues. These issues are already there, the left ignores them at their peril.
Asians moved 10 points to the right. 30% voted for trump in 2020 and 40% did so in 2024.
Listed high on the reasons for the shift were:
The economy
Public Safety
Affirmative Action (or more precisely the reaction to the opposition to AA labelling asians as ‘privileged,’ ‘selfish,’ ‘cheaters,’ ‘overrepresented,’ ‘white adjacent,’ and ‘resource hoarders’ )


The economic and safety issues are probably the most important because really who gives a fck what some asians in san francisco and farifax think.

“There is a movement against math” is pure propaganda BS.

+1
Never heard that there is any movement againts math or anything academic. People can accelerate their kids all they want. No law ever created that can’t stop them to enrich their kids academically.
If there is no acceleration available that is not because of a political movement, it is simply because there is no resource available. The public education service tend to prioritize the needs of the middle bell curve, the 95% population.

The truth is, nobody care about your feelings about math, whether you glorify it or despise it. If you heard one, it is called personal opinion.

But I feel like there is a movement to create an impression that Asian is under attack, this is actually the propaganda to swing the vote and somehow it works.
And I am an Asian.

The attack isn't against Asians it's against what we represent.

The traditional right wing racists don't like how Asians show up and grab all the lions share of academic recognition that used to go to more mediocre white kids. They feel like their communities are being gentrified as Asians move in and big up housing prices while the kids crowd out white kids from the AAP program.

The DEI left wing racist don't like how people use Asian success to imply that URM are lazy or inferior (the model minority my) and they begrudge us or success by taking the things we earn and giving it to those they think deserve a break. Then they call us racists for not going along with it.

They would both like us a lot more if we didn't succeed.

Please don’t hijack the thread with how Asians are victimized.

This thread is supposed to be about advancing in Math, not about what Asians represent. Open your own thread for that.

That's funny. You didn't seem to object to the post I am responding that brought up how this all just a misinformation campaign to influence Asian votes.

The war against math is part of the war against merit which is repulsive to most Asians.

If you're Asian and you haven't figured out of yet, you are stuck with a choice between

(I) Republicans that will hurt your feelings by saying they don't like you
(II) Democrats that will hurt your children's future but will say they like you

We've had a Republican president and Congress for several years now, and there have been 0 benefits to merit / math / gifted education. Same with Youngkin - he hasn't done anything to change educational policies on these issues.

I know it's feels like years but it's only been 6 months.

Republicans applauded SFFA vs Harvard. Democrats condemned it.

Republican condemned the changes in the TJ and Lowell admissions process and the attempts to change the Stuyvesant admissions process.
These changes were part of a nationwide democratic led war on merit.

Republicans may not have Asians at front of mind but their not actively trying to hurt our children.

The only republicans responsible for SFFA are on the SC. Condemning something is easy, making things happen is expensive. Promoting or building merit programs is not on the agenda, only scoring cheap shots against the left whenever possible.

. It's not a cheap spot, it's a valid criticism.

What merit building program hills are the Democrats willing to die on the way they were willing to die on the affirmative action hill?

To paraphrase RBG: I ask no favor for my race. All I ask of our woke brethren is that they take their feet off our necks

Equal rights, not special rights.

No. You do not get to quote RGB as if you are being oppressed.

GMAFB.

Open and notorious legality condoned institutional racial discrimination against a group was oppression. Continuing to do it when it's no longer legal is just racism.

Asians are not asking for special rights. They are asking for equal rights, equal opportunity. That's what affirmative action USED to be about. But there was this assumption that equal opportunity would lead to equal results and it didn't. So then affirmative action started to become less about equal opportunity and more about equal results. And THAT is where we started to run into problems.

TJ admissions is mostly equal opportunity. If anything, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools.

It’s a race blind process.

The majority of students enrolled are Asian students.

Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

We were talking about SFFA vs Harvard. That means we were talking about affirmative action.
When people talk about systemic racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM
When people talk about institutional racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM.

TJ is not engaging in explicit affirmative action but when you change a policy to increase some races at the expense of other races you are engaging in racism.
Anti-asian discrimination has a long and silent history in America. Pick up a book sometime. The entire reason we even have birthright citizenship caselaw is because of our history of anti-asian discrimination

P.S. Exceeding the qualification for free/reduced lunch does not make you wealthy. These parents all work for a living. This attempt to excuse racism against asians at TJ by portraying all the asians at TJ as wealthy is pretty scummy. You are scum.

Again, at TJ, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools. Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate. Kids from wealthy feeder schools are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

TJ added seats to give kids from across the county a chance to attend so it’s no longer hoarded by kids from wealthy feeder schools.

Asians are overrepresented because they have higher cognitive ability. They weren't born that way, they became that way. They're the ones that put in the work. They're the ones that made the sacrifices.

Discriminating against them because of their race is racism. You are not only excusing racism, you are advocating for it.

TJ provides no value to a kid who is not well prepared regardless of their income.
TJ isn't an anti poverty program.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process. GMAFB.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

Diversity chart based admissions but claim no discrimination.

It’s a race-blind process.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process.

There is really no point in debating someone who thinks that the fact that Asians are admitted at a higher-than-average rate is proof that there is no discrimination against Asian students. If this is your thought process, then we can't reach you with logic.

Facts:
>It’s a race-blind process. No racial preference.
>Asian students are accepted at a higher rate than almost all others.
>The group who benefited most from the change was students from low-income families.
>There are more Asian students enrolled at TJ today than almost any year in its history.
>The court ruled no discrimination.

I see the woke left is hard at work trying to lose the next election.

I see the RWNJs are trying to push their lies again.

You are the reason why trump won. Ignore fair dealing and your fellow Americans at your peril.

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Anonymous wrote:Because some DCUM posters think nothing of paying more than 10K for travel sports and giving their kids repetitive strain injuries from a young age, but GOD FORBID that they be accused of being Tiger Parents and push their kids into improving their cognitive reasoning skills with MATH. Then they'd be like ASIAN ROBOTS (yes, they're racist too).

Like the FCPS Superintendent, SB, and Gatehouse, there is widespread hatred toward Asians on DCUM.

More fake news.

I don't know if it's hatred so much as annoyance and a bit of bitterness.

Asians and other successful minorities are inconvenient to the narrative that white supremacy is so powerful in this country that non-whites don't stand a chance as a group. When a group of mostly immigrants and their children outperform whites, the argument starts to fray. White people are annoyed that these asians are able to outperform their little Larlo and Larla? THEY MUST BE CHEATING!!!

Standardized exams (which have been used since at least WWII) are susceptible to a special form of cheating that only asians engage in. These crafty asians send their kids to academic enrichment classes like kumon, AOPS and RSM from the age of 7 or 8 and continue to cheat for the rest of their educational years by studying more than everybody else.

No one said that studying is cheating. More fake news from RWNJs trying to spin up division.

The more you try to bulldoze yourself and shut people up, the more you prove the point that there is a movement against math.

You are a liar trying to spin up a manufactured political issue. GTFO.

I say this with a lot of compassion: you need serious help. Your emotional state is obviously on the edge.

I have zero patience for people trying to F with our schools, particular RWNJs who are trying to score political points.

The only nut job here is you. If you don’t want the schools messed with work on it constructively.

You obviously like them to not improve. It must benefit you in some way.

More fake news.

The only thing I don't want are POS political operatives spinning up wedge issues with lies and fake issues. We get it. Rs are going to lose big time in November. These pathetic threads aren't going to help.

He's not "spinning up" wedge issues. These issues are already there, the left ignores them at their peril.
Asians moved 10 points to the right. 30% voted for trump in 2020 and 40% did so in 2024.
Listed high on the reasons for the shift were:
The economy
Public Safety
Affirmative Action (or more precisely the reaction to the opposition to AA labelling asians as ‘privileged,’ ‘selfish,’ ‘cheaters,’ ‘overrepresented,’ ‘white adjacent,’ and ‘resource hoarders’ )


The economic and safety issues are probably the most important because really who gives a fck what some asians in san francisco and farifax think.

“There is a movement against math” is pure propaganda BS.

+1
Never heard that there is any movement againts math or anything academic. People can accelerate their kids all they want. No law ever created that can’t stop them to enrich their kids academically.
If there is no acceleration available that is not because of a political movement, it is simply because there is no resource available. The public education service tend to prioritize the needs of the middle bell curve, the 95% population.

The truth is, nobody care about your feelings about math, whether you glorify it or despise it. If you heard one, it is called personal opinion.

But I feel like there is a movement to create an impression that Asian is under attack, this is actually the propaganda to swing the vote and somehow it works.
And I am an Asian.

The attack isn't against Asians it's against what we represent.

The traditional right wing racists don't like how Asians show up and grab all the lions share of academic recognition that used to go to more mediocre white kids. They feel like their communities are being gentrified as Asians move in and big up housing prices while the kids crowd out white kids from the AAP program.

The DEI left wing racist don't like how people use Asian success to imply that URM are lazy or inferior (the model minority my) and they begrudge us or success by taking the things we earn and giving it to those they think deserve a break. Then they call us racists for not going along with it.

They would both like us a lot more if we didn't succeed.

Please don’t hijack the thread with how Asians are victimized.

This thread is supposed to be about advancing in Math, not about what Asians represent. Open your own thread for that.

That's funny. You didn't seem to object to the post I am responding that brought up how this all just a misinformation campaign to influence Asian votes.

The war against math is part of the war against merit which is repulsive to most Asians.

If you're Asian and you haven't figured out of yet, you are stuck with a choice between

(I) Republicans that will hurt your feelings by saying they don't like you
(II) Democrats that will hurt your children's future but will say they like you

We've had a Republican president and Congress for several years now, and there have been 0 benefits to merit / math / gifted education. Same with Youngkin - he hasn't done anything to change educational policies on these issues.

I know it's feels like years but it's only been 6 months.

Republicans applauded SFFA vs Harvard. Democrats condemned it.

Republican condemned the changes in the TJ and Lowell admissions process and the attempts to change the Stuyvesant admissions process.
These changes were part of a nationwide democratic led war on merit.

Republicans may not have Asians at front of mind but their not actively trying to hurt our children.

The only republicans responsible for SFFA are on the SC. Condemning something is easy, making things happen is expensive. Promoting or building merit programs is not on the agenda, only scoring cheap shots against the left whenever possible.

. It's not a cheap spot, it's a valid criticism.

What merit building program hills are the Democrats willing to die on the way they were willing to die on the affirmative action hill?

To paraphrase RBG: I ask no favor for my race. All I ask of our woke brethren is that they take their feet off our necks

Equal rights, not special rights.

No. You do not get to quote RGB as if you are being oppressed.

GMAFB.

Open and notorious legality condoned institutional racial discrimination against a group was oppression. Continuing to do it when it's no longer legal is just racism.

Asians are not asking for special rights. They are asking for equal rights, equal opportunity. That's what affirmative action USED to be about. But there was this assumption that equal opportunity would lead to equal results and it didn't. So then affirmative action started to become less about equal opportunity and more about equal results. And THAT is where we started to run into problems.

TJ admissions is mostly equal opportunity. If anything, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools.

It’s a race blind process.

The majority of students enrolled are Asian students.

Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

We were talking about SFFA vs Harvard. That means we were talking about affirmative action.
When people talk about systemic racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM
When people talk about institutional racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM.

TJ is not engaging in explicit affirmative action but when you change a policy to increase some races at the expense of other races you are engaging in racism.
Anti-asian discrimination has a long and silent history in America. Pick up a book sometime. The entire reason we even have birthright citizenship caselaw is because of our history of anti-asian discrimination

P.S. Exceeding the qualification for free/reduced lunch does not make you wealthy. These parents all work for a living. This attempt to excuse racism against asians at TJ by portraying all the asians at TJ as wealthy is pretty scummy. You are scum.

Again, at TJ, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools. Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate. Kids from wealthy feeder schools are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

TJ added seats to give kids from across the county a chance to attend so it’s no longer hoarded by kids from wealthy feeder schools.

Asians are overrepresented because they have higher cognitive ability. They weren't born that way, they became that way. They're the ones that put in the work. They're the ones that made the sacrifices.

Discriminating against them because of their race is racism. You are not only excusing racism, you are advocating for it.

TJ provides no value to a kid who is not well prepared regardless of their income.
TJ isn't an anti poverty program.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process. GMAFB.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

Diversity chart based admissions but claim no discrimination.

It’s a race-blind process.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process.

There is really no point in debating someone who thinks that the fact that Asians are admitted at a higher-than-average rate is proof that there is no discrimination against Asian students. If this is your thought process, then we can't reach you with logic.

Facts:
>It’s a race-blind process. No racial preference.
>Asian students are accepted at a higher rate than almost all others.
>The group who benefited most from the change was students from low-income families.
>There are more Asian students enrolled at TJ today than almost any year in its history.
>The court ruled no discrimination.

Facts:

Facially neutral audience can be racist. That's the entire argument behind systemic racism and institutional racism.

You can be successful and still discriminated against

You can be over represented and still be discriminated against.

The court ruled before they knew that racial preferences = racial discrimination.

Everyone knows that the driving force behind the changed was a desire for racial diversity and the political impetus was BLM

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Anonymous wrote:Because some DCUM posters think nothing of paying more than 10K for travel sports and giving their kids repetitive strain injuries from a young age, but GOD FORBID that they be accused of being Tiger Parents and push their kids into improving their cognitive reasoning skills with MATH. Then they'd be like ASIAN ROBOTS (yes, they're racist too).

Like the FCPS Superintendent, SB, and Gatehouse, there is widespread hatred toward Asians on DCUM.

More fake news.

I don't know if it's hatred so much as annoyance and a bit of bitterness.

Asians and other successful minorities are inconvenient to the narrative that white supremacy is so powerful in this country that non-whites don't stand a chance as a group. When a group of mostly immigrants and their children outperform whites, the argument starts to fray. White people are annoyed that these asians are able to outperform their little Larlo and Larla? THEY MUST BE CHEATING!!!

Standardized exams (which have been used since at least WWII) are susceptible to a special form of cheating that only asians engage in. These crafty asians send their kids to academic enrichment classes like kumon, AOPS and RSM from the age of 7 or 8 and continue to cheat for the rest of their educational years by studying more than everybody else.

No one said that studying is cheating. More fake news from RWNJs trying to spin up division.

The more you try to bulldoze yourself and shut people up, the more you prove the point that there is a movement against math.

You are a liar trying to spin up a manufactured political issue. GTFO.

I say this with a lot of compassion: you need serious help. Your emotional state is obviously on the edge.

I have zero patience for people trying to F with our schools, particular RWNJs who are trying to score political points.

The only nut job here is you. If you don’t want the schools messed with work on it constructively.

You obviously like them to not improve. It must benefit you in some way.

More fake news.

The only thing I don't want are POS political operatives spinning up wedge issues with lies and fake issues. We get it. Rs are going to lose big time in November. These pathetic threads aren't going to help.

He's not "spinning up" wedge issues. These issues are already there, the left ignores them at their peril.
Asians moved 10 points to the right. 30% voted for trump in 2020 and 40% did so in 2024.
Listed high on the reasons for the shift were:
The economy
Public Safety
Affirmative Action (or more precisely the reaction to the opposition to AA labelling asians as ‘privileged,’ ‘selfish,’ ‘cheaters,’ ‘overrepresented,’ ‘white adjacent,’ and ‘resource hoarders’ )


The economic and safety issues are probably the most important because really who gives a fck what some asians in san francisco and farifax think.

“There is a movement against math” is pure propaganda BS.

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Never heard that there is any movement againts math or anything academic. People can accelerate their kids all they want. No law ever created that can’t stop them to enrich their kids academically.
If there is no acceleration available that is not because of a political movement, it is simply because there is no resource available. The public education service tend to prioritize the needs of the middle bell curve, the 95% population.

The truth is, nobody care about your feelings about math, whether you glorify it or despise it. If you heard one, it is called personal opinion.

But I feel like there is a movement to create an impression that Asian is under attack, this is actually the propaganda to swing the vote and somehow it works.
And I am an Asian.

The attack isn't against Asians it's against what we represent.

The traditional right wing racists don't like how Asians show up and grab all the lions share of academic recognition that used to go to more mediocre white kids. They feel like their communities are being gentrified as Asians move in and big up housing prices while the kids crowd out white kids from the AAP program.

The DEI left wing racist don't like how people use Asian success to imply that URM are lazy or inferior (the model minority my) and they begrudge us or success by taking the things we earn and giving it to those they think deserve a break. Then they call us racists for not going along with it.

They would both like us a lot more if we didn't succeed.

Please don’t hijack the thread with how Asians are victimized.

This thread is supposed to be about advancing in Math, not about what Asians represent. Open your own thread for that.

That's funny. You didn't seem to object to the post I am responding that brought up how this all just a misinformation campaign to influence Asian votes.

The war against math is part of the war against merit which is repulsive to most Asians.

If you're Asian and you haven't figured out of yet, you are stuck with a choice between

(I) Republicans that will hurt your feelings by saying they don't like you
(II) Democrats that will hurt your children's future but will say they like you

We've had a Republican president and Congress for several years now, and there have been 0 benefits to merit / math / gifted education. Same with Youngkin - he hasn't done anything to change educational policies on these issues.

I know it's feels like years but it's only been 6 months.

Republicans applauded SFFA vs Harvard. Democrats condemned it.

Republican condemned the changes in the TJ and Lowell admissions process and the attempts to change the Stuyvesant admissions process.
These changes were part of a nationwide democratic led war on merit.

Republicans may not have Asians at front of mind but their not actively trying to hurt our children.

The only republicans responsible for SFFA are on the SC. Condemning something is easy, making things happen is expensive. Promoting or building merit programs is not on the agenda, only scoring cheap shots against the left whenever possible.

. It's not a cheap spot, it's a valid criticism.

What merit building program hills are the Democrats willing to die on the way they were willing to die on the affirmative action hill?

To paraphrase RBG: I ask no favor for my race. All I ask of our woke brethren is that they take their feet off our necks

Equal rights, not special rights.

No. You do not get to quote RGB as if you are being oppressed.

GMAFB.

Open and notorious legality condoned institutional racial discrimination against a group was oppression. Continuing to do it when it's no longer legal is just racism.

Asians are not asking for special rights. They are asking for equal rights, equal opportunity. That's what affirmative action USED to be about. But there was this assumption that equal opportunity would lead to equal results and it didn't. So then affirmative action started to become less about equal opportunity and more about equal results. And THAT is where we started to run into problems.

TJ admissions is mostly equal opportunity. If anything, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools.

It’s a race blind process.

The majority of students enrolled are Asian students.

Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

We were talking about SFFA vs Harvard. That means we were talking about affirmative action.
When people talk about systemic racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM
When people talk about institutional racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM.

TJ is not engaging in explicit affirmative action but when you change a policy to increase some races at the expense of other races you are engaging in racism.
Anti-asian discrimination has a long and silent history in America. Pick up a book sometime. The entire reason we even have birthright citizenship caselaw is because of our history of anti-asian discrimination

P.S. Exceeding the qualification for free/reduced lunch does not make you wealthy. These parents all work for a living. This attempt to excuse racism against asians at TJ by portraying all the asians at TJ as wealthy is pretty scummy. You are scum.

Again, at TJ, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools. Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate. Kids from wealthy feeder schools are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

TJ added seats to give kids from across the county a chance to attend so it’s no longer hoarded by kids from wealthy feeder schools.

Asians are overrepresented because they have higher cognitive ability. They weren't born that way, they became that way. They're the ones that put in the work. They're the ones that made the sacrifices.

Discriminating against them because of their race is racism. You are not only excusing racism, you are advocating for it.

TJ provides no value to a kid who is not well prepared regardless of their income.
TJ isn't an anti poverty program.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process. GMAFB.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

Diversity chart based admissions but claim no discrimination.

It’s a race-blind process.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process.

There is really no point in debating someone who thinks that the fact that Asians are admitted at a higher-than-average rate is proof that there is no discrimination against Asian students. If this is your thought process, then we can't reach you with logic.

Facts:
>It’s a race-blind process. No racial preference.
>Asian students are accepted at a higher rate than almost all others.
>The group who benefited most from the change was students from low-income families.
>There are more Asian students enrolled at TJ today than almost any year in its history.
>The court ruled no discrimination.

Facts:

Facially neutral audience can be racist. That's the entire argument behind systemic racism and institutional racism.

You can be successful and still discriminated against

You can be over represented and still be discriminated against.

The court ruled before they knew that racial preferences = racial discrimination.

Everyone knows that the driving force behind the changed was a desire for racial diversity and the political impetus was BLM

**THERE ARE NO RACIAL PREFERENCES FOR TJ ADMISSIONS**

The TJ admissions process is race blind.

There has been a push for many years for racial *and* economic diversity. It's not all about BLM.
Sookyung Oh, Director of Hamkae Center shared, “Every parent wants to know their child will not be disadvantaged in our public education system no matter their personal wealth or language abilities. It is imperative that students from communities of color, including Asian Americans, will not be disadvantaged by an unfair admissions process and will have the same access to educational opportunities only previously afforded to those with the wealth and privilege to get their children into schools like TJ.”
https://www.advancingjustice-aajc.org/press-release/multi-racial-group-thomas-jefferson-students-family-and-alumni-denounce-effort

The actual changes were geographic/economic diversity. And the groups who saw the largest increase were Asian students from underrepresented MSs and from low-income families.
“Nevertheless, in the 2021 application cycle, Asian American students attending middle schools historically underrepresented at TJ saw a sixfold increase in offers, and the number of low-income Asian American admittees to TJ increased to 51 — from a mere one in 2020.”
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf

Didn’t being a young scholar provide a boost? And wasn’t young scholars based along a racial preference?

Correct. From FCPS:


“Young Scholars is a K-12 model:

-Designed to remove access and opportunity gaps
-For students historically underserved in advanced academic programming.”


I’ve noticed FCPS has become increasingly vague about how they are continuing to implement DEI initiatives.

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Anonymous wrote:Because some DCUM posters think nothing of paying more than 10K for travel sports and giving their kids repetitive strain injuries from a young age, but GOD FORBID that they be accused of being Tiger Parents and push their kids into improving their cognitive reasoning skills with MATH. Then they'd be like ASIAN ROBOTS (yes, they're racist too).

Like the FCPS Superintendent, SB, and Gatehouse, there is widespread hatred toward Asians on DCUM.

More fake news.

I don't know if it's hatred so much as annoyance and a bit of bitterness.

Asians and other successful minorities are inconvenient to the narrative that white supremacy is so powerful in this country that non-whites don't stand a chance as a group. When a group of mostly immigrants and their children outperform whites, the argument starts to fray. White people are annoyed that these asians are able to outperform their little Larlo and Larla? THEY MUST BE CHEATING!!!

Standardized exams (which have been used since at least WWII) are susceptible to a special form of cheating that only asians engage in. These crafty asians send their kids to academic enrichment classes like kumon, AOPS and RSM from the age of 7 or 8 and continue to cheat for the rest of their educational years by studying more than everybody else.

No one said that studying is cheating. More fake news from RWNJs trying to spin up division.

The more you try to bulldoze yourself and shut people up, the more you prove the point that there is a movement against math.

You are a liar trying to spin up a manufactured political issue. GTFO.

I say this with a lot of compassion: you need serious help. Your emotional state is obviously on the edge.

I have zero patience for people trying to F with our schools, particular RWNJs who are trying to score political points.

The only nut job here is you. If you don’t want the schools messed with work on it constructively.

You obviously like them to not improve. It must benefit you in some way.

More fake news.

The only thing I don't want are POS political operatives spinning up wedge issues with lies and fake issues. We get it. Rs are going to lose big time in November. These pathetic threads aren't going to help.

He's not "spinning up" wedge issues. These issues are already there, the left ignores them at their peril.
Asians moved 10 points to the right. 30% voted for trump in 2020 and 40% did so in 2024.
Listed high on the reasons for the shift were:
The economy
Public Safety
Affirmative Action (or more precisely the reaction to the opposition to AA labelling asians as ‘privileged,’ ‘selfish,’ ‘cheaters,’ ‘overrepresented,’ ‘white adjacent,’ and ‘resource hoarders’ )


The economic and safety issues are probably the most important because really who gives a fck what some asians in san francisco and farifax think.

“There is a movement against math” is pure propaganda BS.

+1
Never heard that there is any movement againts math or anything academic. People can accelerate their kids all they want. No law ever created that can’t stop them to enrich their kids academically.
If there is no acceleration available that is not because of a political movement, it is simply because there is no resource available. The public education service tend to prioritize the needs of the middle bell curve, the 95% population.

The truth is, nobody care about your feelings about math, whether you glorify it or despise it. If you heard one, it is called personal opinion.

But I feel like there is a movement to create an impression that Asian is under attack, this is actually the propaganda to swing the vote and somehow it works.
And I am an Asian.

The attack isn't against Asians it's against what we represent.

The traditional right wing racists don't like how Asians show up and grab all the lions share of academic recognition that used to go to more mediocre white kids. They feel like their communities are being gentrified as Asians move in and big up housing prices while the kids crowd out white kids from the AAP program.

The DEI left wing racist don't like how people use Asian success to imply that URM are lazy or inferior (the model minority my) and they begrudge us or success by taking the things we earn and giving it to those they think deserve a break. Then they call us racists for not going along with it.

They would both like us a lot more if we didn't succeed.

Please don’t hijack the thread with how Asians are victimized.

This thread is supposed to be about advancing in Math, not about what Asians represent. Open your own thread for that.

That's funny. You didn't seem to object to the post I am responding that brought up how this all just a misinformation campaign to influence Asian votes.

The war against math is part of the war against merit which is repulsive to most Asians.

If you're Asian and you haven't figured out of yet, you are stuck with a choice between

(I) Republicans that will hurt your feelings by saying they don't like you
(II) Democrats that will hurt your children's future but will say they like you

We've had a Republican president and Congress for several years now, and there have been 0 benefits to merit / math / gifted education. Same with Youngkin - he hasn't done anything to change educational policies on these issues.

I know it's feels like years but it's only been 6 months.

Republicans applauded SFFA vs Harvard. Democrats condemned it.

Republican condemned the changes in the TJ and Lowell admissions process and the attempts to change the Stuyvesant admissions process.
These changes were part of a nationwide democratic led war on merit.

Republicans may not have Asians at front of mind but their not actively trying to hurt our children.

The only republicans responsible for SFFA are on the SC. Condemning something is easy, making things happen is expensive. Promoting or building merit programs is not on the agenda, only scoring cheap shots against the left whenever possible.

. It's not a cheap spot, it's a valid criticism.

What merit building program hills are the Democrats willing to die on the way they were willing to die on the affirmative action hill?

To paraphrase RBG: I ask no favor for my race. All I ask of our woke brethren is that they take their feet off our necks

Equal rights, not special rights.

No. You do not get to quote RGB as if you are being oppressed.

GMAFB.

Open and notorious legality condoned institutional racial discrimination against a group was oppression. Continuing to do it when it's no longer legal is just racism.

Asians are not asking for special rights. They are asking for equal rights, equal opportunity. That's what affirmative action USED to be about. But there was this assumption that equal opportunity would lead to equal results and it didn't. So then affirmative action started to become less about equal opportunity and more about equal results. And THAT is where we started to run into problems.

TJ admissions is mostly equal opportunity. If anything, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools.

It’s a race blind process.

The majority of students enrolled are Asian students.

Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

We were talking about SFFA vs Harvard. That means we were talking about affirmative action.
When people talk about systemic racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM
When people talk about institutional racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM.

TJ is not engaging in explicit affirmative action but when you change a policy to increase some races at the expense of other races you are engaging in racism.
Anti-asian discrimination has a long and silent history in America. Pick up a book sometime. The entire reason we even have birthright citizenship caselaw is because of our history of anti-asian discrimination

P.S. Exceeding the qualification for free/reduced lunch does not make you wealthy. These parents all work for a living. This attempt to excuse racism against asians at TJ by portraying all the asians at TJ as wealthy is pretty scummy. You are scum.

Again, at TJ, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools. Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate. Kids from wealthy feeder schools are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

TJ added seats to give kids from across the county a chance to attend so it’s no longer hoarded by kids from wealthy feeder schools.

Asians are overrepresented because they have higher cognitive ability. They weren't born that way, they became that way. They're the ones that put in the work. They're the ones that made the sacrifices.

Discriminating against them because of their race is racism. You are not only excusing racism, you are advocating for it.

TJ provides no value to a kid who is not well prepared regardless of their income.
TJ isn't an anti poverty program.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process. GMAFB.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

Diversity chart based admissions but claim no discrimination.

It’s a race-blind process.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process.

There is really no point in debating someone who thinks that the fact that Asians are admitted at a higher-than-average rate is proof that there is no discrimination against Asian students. If this is your thought process, then we can't reach you with logic.

Facts:
>It’s a race-blind process. No racial preference.
>Asian students are accepted at a higher rate than almost all others.
>The group who benefited most from the change was students from low-income families.
>There are more Asian students enrolled at TJ today than almost any year in its history.
>The court ruled no discrimination.

Facts:

Facially neutral audience can be racist. That's the entire argument behind systemic racism and institutional racism.

You can be successful and still discriminated against

You can be over represented and still be discriminated against.

The court ruled before they knew that racial preferences = racial discrimination.

Everyone knows that the driving force behind the changed was a desire for racial diversity and the political impetus was BLM

**THERE ARE NO RACIAL PREFERENCES FOR TJ ADMISSIONS**

The TJ admissions process is race blind.

There has been a push for many years for racial *and* economic diversity. It's not all about BLM.
Sookyung Oh, Director of Hamkae Center shared, “Every parent wants to know their child will not be disadvantaged in our public education system no matter their personal wealth or language abilities. It is imperative that students from communities of color, including Asian Americans, will not be disadvantaged by an unfair admissions process and will have the same access to educational opportunities only previously afforded to those with the wealth and privilege to get their children into schools like TJ.”
https://www.advancingjustice-aajc.org/press-release/multi-racial-group-thomas-jefferson-students-family-and-alumni-denounce-effort

The actual changes were geographic/economic diversity. And the groups who saw the largest increase were Asian students from underrepresented MSs and from low-income families.
“Nevertheless, in the 2021 application cycle, Asian American students attending middle schools historically underrepresented at TJ saw a sixfold increase in offers, and the number of low-income Asian American admittees to TJ increased to 51 — from a mere one in 2020.”
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf

These are all proxies.

If low income asians increased by 50 then middle class asians dropped by MORE than 50 considering overall asian population dropped.
It is not surprising that if you income segregate the applicants in an effort to get more URM, a lot of the kids at the top of the low income pile are going to be low income asians.

The primary purpose of these changes was to increase racial diversity. If you are saying otherwise then you are either lying or ignorant.

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Anonymous wrote:Because some DCUM posters think nothing of paying more than 10K for travel sports and giving their kids repetitive strain injuries from a young age, but GOD FORBID that they be accused of being Tiger Parents and push their kids into improving their cognitive reasoning skills with MATH. Then they'd be like ASIAN ROBOTS (yes, they're racist too).

Like the FCPS Superintendent, SB, and Gatehouse, there is widespread hatred toward Asians on DCUM.

More fake news.

I don't know if it's hatred so much as annoyance and a bit of bitterness.

Asians and other successful minorities are inconvenient to the narrative that white supremacy is so powerful in this country that non-whites don't stand a chance as a group. When a group of mostly immigrants and their children outperform whites, the argument starts to fray. White people are annoyed that these asians are able to outperform their little Larlo and Larla? THEY MUST BE CHEATING!!!

Standardized exams (which have been used since at least WWII) are susceptible to a special form of cheating that only asians engage in. These crafty asians send their kids to academic enrichment classes like kumon, AOPS and RSM from the age of 7 or 8 and continue to cheat for the rest of their educational years by studying more than everybody else.

No one said that studying is cheating. More fake news from RWNJs trying to spin up division.

The more you try to bulldoze yourself and shut people up, the more you prove the point that there is a movement against math.

You are a liar trying to spin up a manufactured political issue. GTFO.

I say this with a lot of compassion: you need serious help. Your emotional state is obviously on the edge.

I have zero patience for people trying to F with our schools, particular RWNJs who are trying to score political points.

The only nut job here is you. If you don’t want the schools messed with work on it constructively.

You obviously like them to not improve. It must benefit you in some way.

More fake news.

The only thing I don't want are POS political operatives spinning up wedge issues with lies and fake issues. We get it. Rs are going to lose big time in November. These pathetic threads aren't going to help.

He's not "spinning up" wedge issues. These issues are already there, the left ignores them at their peril.
Asians moved 10 points to the right. 30% voted for trump in 2020 and 40% did so in 2024.
Listed high on the reasons for the shift were:
The economy
Public Safety
Affirmative Action (or more precisely the reaction to the opposition to AA labelling asians as ‘privileged,’ ‘selfish,’ ‘cheaters,’ ‘overrepresented,’ ‘white adjacent,’ and ‘resource hoarders’ )


The economic and safety issues are probably the most important because really who gives a fck what some asians in san francisco and farifax think.

“There is a movement against math” is pure propaganda BS.

+1
Never heard that there is any movement againts math or anything academic. People can accelerate their kids all they want. No law ever created that can’t stop them to enrich their kids academically.
If there is no acceleration available that is not because of a political movement, it is simply because there is no resource available. The public education service tend to prioritize the needs of the middle bell curve, the 95% population.

The truth is, nobody care about your feelings about math, whether you glorify it or despise it. If you heard one, it is called personal opinion.

But I feel like there is a movement to create an impression that Asian is under attack, this is actually the propaganda to swing the vote and somehow it works.
And I am an Asian.

The attack isn't against Asians it's against what we represent.

The traditional right wing racists don't like how Asians show up and grab all the lions share of academic recognition that used to go to more mediocre white kids. They feel like their communities are being gentrified as Asians move in and big up housing prices while the kids crowd out white kids from the AAP program.

The DEI left wing racist don't like how people use Asian success to imply that URM are lazy or inferior (the model minority my) and they begrudge us or success by taking the things we earn and giving it to those they think deserve a break. Then they call us racists for not going along with it.

They would both like us a lot more if we didn't succeed.

Please don’t hijack the thread with how Asians are victimized.

This thread is supposed to be about advancing in Math, not about what Asians represent. Open your own thread for that.

That's funny. You didn't seem to object to the post I am responding that brought up how this all just a misinformation campaign to influence Asian votes.

The war against math is part of the war against merit which is repulsive to most Asians.

If you're Asian and you haven't figured out of yet, you are stuck with a choice between

(I) Republicans that will hurt your feelings by saying they don't like you
(II) Democrats that will hurt your children's future but will say they like you

We've had a Republican president and Congress for several years now, and there have been 0 benefits to merit / math / gifted education. Same with Youngkin - he hasn't done anything to change educational policies on these issues.

I know it's feels like years but it's only been 6 months.

Republicans applauded SFFA vs Harvard. Democrats condemned it.

Republican condemned the changes in the TJ and Lowell admissions process and the attempts to change the Stuyvesant admissions process.
These changes were part of a nationwide democratic led war on merit.

Republicans may not have Asians at front of mind but their not actively trying to hurt our children.

The only republicans responsible for SFFA are on the SC. Condemning something is easy, making things happen is expensive. Promoting or building merit programs is not on the agenda, only scoring cheap shots against the left whenever possible.

. It's not a cheap spot, it's a valid criticism.

What merit building program hills are the Democrats willing to die on the way they were willing to die on the affirmative action hill?

To paraphrase RBG: I ask no favor for my race. All I ask of our woke brethren is that they take their feet off our necks

Equal rights, not special rights.

No. You do not get to quote RGB as if you are being oppressed.

GMAFB.

Open and notorious legality condoned institutional racial discrimination against a group was oppression. Continuing to do it when it's no longer legal is just racism.

Asians are not asking for special rights. They are asking for equal rights, equal opportunity. That's what affirmative action USED to be about. But there was this assumption that equal opportunity would lead to equal results and it didn't. So then affirmative action started to become less about equal opportunity and more about equal results. And THAT is where we started to run into problems.

TJ admissions is mostly equal opportunity. If anything, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools.

It’s a race blind process.

The majority of students enrolled are Asian students.

Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

We were talking about SFFA vs Harvard. That means we were talking about affirmative action.
When people talk about systemic racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM
When people talk about institutional racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM.

TJ is not engaging in explicit affirmative action but when you change a policy to increase some races at the expense of other races you are engaging in racism.
Anti-asian discrimination has a long and silent history in America. Pick up a book sometime. The entire reason we even have birthright citizenship caselaw is because of our history of anti-asian discrimination

P.S. Exceeding the qualification for free/reduced lunch does not make you wealthy. These parents all work for a living. This attempt to excuse racism against asians at TJ by portraying all the asians at TJ as wealthy is pretty scummy. You are scum.

Again, at TJ, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools. Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate. Kids from wealthy feeder schools are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

TJ added seats to give kids from across the county a chance to attend so it’s no longer hoarded by kids from wealthy feeder schools.

Asians are overrepresented because they have higher cognitive ability. They weren't born that way, they became that way. They're the ones that put in the work. They're the ones that made the sacrifices.

Discriminating against them because of their race is racism. You are not only excusing racism, you are advocating for it.

TJ provides no value to a kid who is not well prepared regardless of their income.
TJ isn't an anti poverty program.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process. GMAFB.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

Diversity chart based admissions but claim no discrimination.

It’s a race-blind process.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process.

There is really no point in debating someone who thinks that the fact that Asians are admitted at a higher-than-average rate is proof that there is no discrimination against Asian students. If this is your thought process, then we can't reach you with logic.

Facts:
>It’s a race-blind process. No racial preference.
>Asian students are accepted at a higher rate than almost all others.
>The group who benefited most from the change was students from low-income families.
>There are more Asian students enrolled at TJ today than almost any year in its history.
>The court ruled no discrimination.

I see the woke left is hard at work trying to lose the next election.

I see the RWNJs are trying to push their lies again.

You are the reason why trump won. Ignore fair dealing and your fellow Americans at your peril.

No, Trump won because too many idiots believed Trump lies about eggs.

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Anonymous wrote:Because some DCUM posters think nothing of paying more than 10K for travel sports and giving their kids repetitive strain injuries from a young age, but GOD FORBID that they be accused of being Tiger Parents and push their kids into improving their cognitive reasoning skills with MATH. Then they'd be like ASIAN ROBOTS (yes, they're racist too).

Like the FCPS Superintendent, SB, and Gatehouse, there is widespread hatred toward Asians on DCUM.

More fake news.

I don't know if it's hatred so much as annoyance and a bit of bitterness.

Asians and other successful minorities are inconvenient to the narrative that white supremacy is so powerful in this country that non-whites don't stand a chance as a group. When a group of mostly immigrants and their children outperform whites, the argument starts to fray. White people are annoyed that these asians are able to outperform their little Larlo and Larla? THEY MUST BE CHEATING!!!

Standardized exams (which have been used since at least WWII) are susceptible to a special form of cheating that only asians engage in. These crafty asians send their kids to academic enrichment classes like kumon, AOPS and RSM from the age of 7 or 8 and continue to cheat for the rest of their educational years by studying more than everybody else.

No one said that studying is cheating. More fake news from RWNJs trying to spin up division.

The more you try to bulldoze yourself and shut people up, the more you prove the point that there is a movement against math.

You are a liar trying to spin up a manufactured political issue. GTFO.

I say this with a lot of compassion: you need serious help. Your emotional state is obviously on the edge.

I have zero patience for people trying to F with our schools, particular RWNJs who are trying to score political points.

The only nut job here is you. If you don’t want the schools messed with work on it constructively.

You obviously like them to not improve. It must benefit you in some way.

More fake news.

The only thing I don't want are POS political operatives spinning up wedge issues with lies and fake issues. We get it. Rs are going to lose big time in November. These pathetic threads aren't going to help.

He's not "spinning up" wedge issues. These issues are already there, the left ignores them at their peril.
Asians moved 10 points to the right. 30% voted for trump in 2020 and 40% did so in 2024.
Listed high on the reasons for the shift were:
The economy
Public Safety
Affirmative Action (or more precisely the reaction to the opposition to AA labelling asians as ‘privileged,’ ‘selfish,’ ‘cheaters,’ ‘overrepresented,’ ‘white adjacent,’ and ‘resource hoarders’ )


The economic and safety issues are probably the most important because really who gives a fck what some asians in san francisco and farifax think.

“There is a movement against math” is pure propaganda BS.

+1
Never heard that there is any movement againts math or anything academic. People can accelerate their kids all they want. No law ever created that can’t stop them to enrich their kids academically.
If there is no acceleration available that is not because of a political movement, it is simply because there is no resource available. The public education service tend to prioritize the needs of the middle bell curve, the 95% population.

The truth is, nobody care about your feelings about math, whether you glorify it or despise it. If you heard one, it is called personal opinion.

But I feel like there is a movement to create an impression that Asian is under attack, this is actually the propaganda to swing the vote and somehow it works.
And I am an Asian.

The attack isn't against Asians it's against what we represent.

The traditional right wing racists don't like how Asians show up and grab all the lions share of academic recognition that used to go to more mediocre white kids. They feel like their communities are being gentrified as Asians move in and big up housing prices while the kids crowd out white kids from the AAP program.

The DEI left wing racist don't like how people use Asian success to imply that URM are lazy or inferior (the model minority my) and they begrudge us or success by taking the things we earn and giving it to those they think deserve a break. Then they call us racists for not going along with it.

They would both like us a lot more if we didn't succeed.

Please don’t hijack the thread with how Asians are victimized.

This thread is supposed to be about advancing in Math, not about what Asians represent. Open your own thread for that.

That's funny. You didn't seem to object to the post I am responding that brought up how this all just a misinformation campaign to influence Asian votes.

The war against math is part of the war against merit which is repulsive to most Asians.

If you're Asian and you haven't figured out of yet, you are stuck with a choice between

(I) Republicans that will hurt your feelings by saying they don't like you
(II) Democrats that will hurt your children's future but will say they like you

We've had a Republican president and Congress for several years now, and there have been 0 benefits to merit / math / gifted education. Same with Youngkin - he hasn't done anything to change educational policies on these issues.

I know it's feels like years but it's only been 6 months.

Republicans applauded SFFA vs Harvard. Democrats condemned it.

Republican condemned the changes in the TJ and Lowell admissions process and the attempts to change the Stuyvesant admissions process.
These changes were part of a nationwide democratic led war on merit.

Republicans may not have Asians at front of mind but their not actively trying to hurt our children.

The only republicans responsible for SFFA are on the SC. Condemning something is easy, making things happen is expensive. Promoting or building merit programs is not on the agenda, only scoring cheap shots against the left whenever possible.

. It's not a cheap spot, it's a valid criticism.

What merit building program hills are the Democrats willing to die on the way they were willing to die on the affirmative action hill?

To paraphrase RBG: I ask no favor for my race. All I ask of our woke brethren is that they take their feet off our necks

Equal rights, not special rights.

No. You do not get to quote RGB as if you are being oppressed.

GMAFB.

Open and notorious legality condoned institutional racial discrimination against a group was oppression. Continuing to do it when it's no longer legal is just racism.

Asians are not asking for special rights. They are asking for equal rights, equal opportunity. That's what affirmative action USED to be about. But there was this assumption that equal opportunity would lead to equal results and it didn't. So then affirmative action started to become less about equal opportunity and more about equal results. And THAT is where we started to run into problems.

TJ admissions is mostly equal opportunity. If anything, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools.

It’s a race blind process.

The majority of students enrolled are Asian students.

Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

We were talking about SFFA vs Harvard. That means we were talking about affirmative action.
When people talk about systemic racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM
When people talk about institutional racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM.

TJ is not engaging in explicit affirmative action but when you change a policy to increase some races at the expense of other races you are engaging in racism.
Anti-asian discrimination has a long and silent history in America. Pick up a book sometime. The entire reason we even have birthright citizenship caselaw is because of our history of anti-asian discrimination

P.S. Exceeding the qualification for free/reduced lunch does not make you wealthy. These parents all work for a living. This attempt to excuse racism against asians at TJ by portraying all the asians at TJ as wealthy is pretty scummy. You are scum.

Again, at TJ, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools. Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate. Kids from wealthy feeder schools are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

TJ added seats to give kids from across the county a chance to attend so it’s no longer hoarded by kids from wealthy feeder schools.

Asians are overrepresented because they have higher cognitive ability. They weren't born that way, they became that way. They're the ones that put in the work. They're the ones that made the sacrifices.

Discriminating against them because of their race is racism. You are not only excusing racism, you are advocating for it.

TJ provides no value to a kid who is not well prepared regardless of their income.
TJ isn't an anti poverty program.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process. GMAFB.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

Diversity chart based admissions but claim no discrimination.

It’s a race-blind process.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process.

There is really no point in debating someone who thinks that the fact that Asians are admitted at a higher-than-average rate is proof that there is no discrimination against Asian students. If this is your thought process, then we can't reach you with logic.

Facts:
>It’s a race-blind process. No racial preference.
>Asian students are accepted at a higher rate than almost all others.
>The group who benefited most from the change was students from low-income families.
>There are more Asian students enrolled at TJ today than almost any year in its history.
>The court ruled no discrimination.

Facts:

Facially neutral audience can be racist. That's the entire argument behind systemic racism and institutional racism.

You can be successful and still discriminated against

You can be over represented and still be discriminated against.

The court ruled before they knew that racial preferences = racial discrimination.

Everyone knows that the driving force behind the changed was a desire for racial diversity and the political impetus was BLM

**THERE ARE NO RACIAL PREFERENCES FOR TJ ADMISSIONS**

The TJ admissions process is race blind.

There has been a push for many years for racial *and* economic diversity. It's not all about BLM.
Sookyung Oh, Director of Hamkae Center shared, “Every parent wants to know their child will not be disadvantaged in our public education system no matter their personal wealth or language abilities. It is imperative that students from communities of color, including Asian Americans, will not be disadvantaged by an unfair admissions process and will have the same access to educational opportunities only previously afforded to those with the wealth and privilege to get their children into schools like TJ.”
https://www.advancingjustice-aajc.org/press-release/multi-racial-group-thomas-jefferson-students-family-and-alumni-denounce-effort

The actual changes were geographic/economic diversity. And the groups who saw the largest increase were Asian students from underrepresented MSs and from low-income families.
“Nevertheless, in the 2021 application cycle, Asian American students attending middle schools historically underrepresented at TJ saw a sixfold increase in offers, and the number of low-income Asian American admittees to TJ increased to 51 — from a mere one in 2020.”
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf

Didn’t being a young scholar provide a boost? And wasn’t young scholars based along a racial preference?

Correct. From FCPS:


“Young Scholars is a K-12 model:

-Designed to remove access and opportunity gaps
-For students historically underserved in advanced academic programming.”


I’ve noticed FCPS has become increasingly vague about how they are continuing to implement DEI initiatives.

Young Scholars is based on income or first generation, not race.

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Anonymous wrote:Because some DCUM posters think nothing of paying more than 10K for travel sports and giving their kids repetitive strain injuries from a young age, but GOD FORBID that they be accused of being Tiger Parents and push their kids into improving their cognitive reasoning skills with MATH. Then they'd be like ASIAN ROBOTS (yes, they're racist too).

Like the FCPS Superintendent, SB, and Gatehouse, there is widespread hatred toward Asians on DCUM.

More fake news.

I don't know if it's hatred so much as annoyance and a bit of bitterness.

Asians and other successful minorities are inconvenient to the narrative that white supremacy is so powerful in this country that non-whites don't stand a chance as a group. When a group of mostly immigrants and their children outperform whites, the argument starts to fray. White people are annoyed that these asians are able to outperform their little Larlo and Larla? THEY MUST BE CHEATING!!!

Standardized exams (which have been used since at least WWII) are susceptible to a special form of cheating that only asians engage in. These crafty asians send their kids to academic enrichment classes like kumon, AOPS and RSM from the age of 7 or 8 and continue to cheat for the rest of their educational years by studying more than everybody else.

No one said that studying is cheating. More fake news from RWNJs trying to spin up division.

The more you try to bulldoze yourself and shut people up, the more you prove the point that there is a movement against math.

You are a liar trying to spin up a manufactured political issue. GTFO.

I say this with a lot of compassion: you need serious help. Your emotional state is obviously on the edge.

I have zero patience for people trying to F with our schools, particular RWNJs who are trying to score political points.

The only nut job here is you. If you don’t want the schools messed with work on it constructively.

You obviously like them to not improve. It must benefit you in some way.

More fake news.

The only thing I don't want are POS political operatives spinning up wedge issues with lies and fake issues. We get it. Rs are going to lose big time in November. These pathetic threads aren't going to help.

He's not "spinning up" wedge issues. These issues are already there, the left ignores them at their peril.
Asians moved 10 points to the right. 30% voted for trump in 2020 and 40% did so in 2024.
Listed high on the reasons for the shift were:
The economy
Public Safety
Affirmative Action (or more precisely the reaction to the opposition to AA labelling asians as ‘privileged,’ ‘selfish,’ ‘cheaters,’ ‘overrepresented,’ ‘white adjacent,’ and ‘resource hoarders’ )


The economic and safety issues are probably the most important because really who gives a fck what some asians in san francisco and farifax think.

“There is a movement against math” is pure propaganda BS.

+1
Never heard that there is any movement againts math or anything academic. People can accelerate their kids all they want. No law ever created that can’t stop them to enrich their kids academically.
If there is no acceleration available that is not because of a political movement, it is simply because there is no resource available. The public education service tend to prioritize the needs of the middle bell curve, the 95% population.

The truth is, nobody care about your feelings about math, whether you glorify it or despise it. If you heard one, it is called personal opinion.

But I feel like there is a movement to create an impression that Asian is under attack, this is actually the propaganda to swing the vote and somehow it works.
And I am an Asian.

The attack isn't against Asians it's against what we represent.

The traditional right wing racists don't like how Asians show up and grab all the lions share of academic recognition that used to go to more mediocre white kids. They feel like their communities are being gentrified as Asians move in and big up housing prices while the kids crowd out white kids from the AAP program.

The DEI left wing racist don't like how people use Asian success to imply that URM are lazy or inferior (the model minority my) and they begrudge us or success by taking the things we earn and giving it to those they think deserve a break. Then they call us racists for not going along with it.

They would both like us a lot more if we didn't succeed.

Please don’t hijack the thread with how Asians are victimized.

This thread is supposed to be about advancing in Math, not about what Asians represent. Open your own thread for that.

That's funny. You didn't seem to object to the post I am responding that brought up how this all just a misinformation campaign to influence Asian votes.

The war against math is part of the war against merit which is repulsive to most Asians.

If you're Asian and you haven't figured out of yet, you are stuck with a choice between

(I) Republicans that will hurt your feelings by saying they don't like you
(II) Democrats that will hurt your children's future but will say they like you

We've had a Republican president and Congress for several years now, and there have been 0 benefits to merit / math / gifted education. Same with Youngkin - he hasn't done anything to change educational policies on these issues.

I know it's feels like years but it's only been 6 months.

Republicans applauded SFFA vs Harvard. Democrats condemned it.

Republican condemned the changes in the TJ and Lowell admissions process and the attempts to change the Stuyvesant admissions process.
These changes were part of a nationwide democratic led war on merit.

Republicans may not have Asians at front of mind but their not actively trying to hurt our children.

The only republicans responsible for SFFA are on the SC. Condemning something is easy, making things happen is expensive. Promoting or building merit programs is not on the agenda, only scoring cheap shots against the left whenever possible.

. It's not a cheap spot, it's a valid criticism.

What merit building program hills are the Democrats willing to die on the way they were willing to die on the affirmative action hill?

To paraphrase RBG: I ask no favor for my race. All I ask of our woke brethren is that they take their feet off our necks

Equal rights, not special rights.

No. You do not get to quote RGB as if you are being oppressed.

GMAFB.

Open and notorious legality condoned institutional racial discrimination against a group was oppression. Continuing to do it when it's no longer legal is just racism.

Asians are not asking for special rights. They are asking for equal rights, equal opportunity. That's what affirmative action USED to be about. But there was this assumption that equal opportunity would lead to equal results and it didn't. So then affirmative action started to become less about equal opportunity and more about equal results. And THAT is where we started to run into problems.

TJ admissions is mostly equal opportunity. If anything, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools.

It’s a race blind process.

The majority of students enrolled are Asian students.

Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

We were talking about SFFA vs Harvard. That means we were talking about affirmative action.
When people talk about systemic racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM
When people talk about institutional racism, affirmative action meets all the criteria except it discriminates against asians instead of URM.

TJ is not engaging in explicit affirmative action but when you change a policy to increase some races at the expense of other races you are engaging in racism.
Anti-asian discrimination has a long and silent history in America. Pick up a book sometime. The entire reason we even have birthright citizenship caselaw is because of our history of anti-asian discrimination

P.S. Exceeding the qualification for free/reduced lunch does not make you wealthy. These parents all work for a living. This attempt to excuse racism against asians at TJ by portraying all the asians at TJ as wealthy is pretty scummy. You are scum.

Again, at TJ, Asian students have *above average* opportunity. Particularly those from wealthy families in the feeder schools. Asian students are admitted at a higher than average rate. Kids from wealthy feeder schools are admitted at a higher than average rate.

Some groups can claim oppression or lack of equal opportunity - and wealthy Asian students are NOT on that list.

TJ added seats to give kids from across the county a chance to attend so it’s no longer hoarded by kids from wealthy feeder schools.

Asians are overrepresented because they have higher cognitive ability. They weren't born that way, they became that way. They're the ones that put in the work. They're the ones that made the sacrifices.

Discriminating against them because of their race is racism. You are not only excusing racism, you are advocating for it.

TJ provides no value to a kid who is not well prepared regardless of their income.
TJ isn't an anti poverty program.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process. GMAFB.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

Diversity chart based admissions but claim no discrimination.

It’s a race-blind process.

Asian students are admitted at a higher-than-average rate.

There is no discrimination against Asian students in the TJ admissions process.

There is really no point in debating someone who thinks that the fact that Asians are admitted at a higher-than-average rate is proof that there is no discrimination against Asian students. If this is your thought process, then we can't reach you with logic.

Facts:
>It’s a race-blind process. No racial preference.
>Asian students are accepted at a higher rate than almost all others.
>The group who benefited most from the change was students from low-income families.
>There are more Asian students enrolled at TJ today than almost any year in its history.
>The court ruled no discrimination.

Facts:

Facially neutral audience can be racist. That's the entire argument behind systemic racism and institutional racism.

You can be successful and still discriminated against

You can be over represented and still be discriminated against.

The court ruled before they knew that racial preferences = racial discrimination.

Everyone knows that the driving force behind the changed was a desire for racial diversity and the political impetus was BLM

**THERE ARE NO RACIAL PREFERENCES FOR TJ ADMISSIONS**

The TJ admissions process is race blind.

There has been a push for many years for racial *and* economic diversity. It's not all about BLM.
Sookyung Oh, Director of Hamkae Center shared, “Every parent wants to know their child will not be disadvantaged in our public education system no matter their personal wealth or language abilities. It is imperative that students from communities of color, including Asian Americans, will not be disadvantaged by an unfair admissions process and will have the same access to educational opportunities only previously afforded to those with the wealth and privilege to get their children into schools like TJ.”
https://www.advancingjustice-aajc.org/press-release/multi-racial-group-thomas-jefferson-students-family-and-alumni-denounce-effort

The actual changes were geographic/economic diversity. And the groups who saw the largest increase were Asian students from underrepresented MSs and from low-income families.
“Nevertheless, in the 2021 application cycle, Asian American students attending middle schools historically underrepresented at TJ saw a sixfold increase in offers, and the number of low-income Asian American admittees to TJ increased to 51 — from a mere one in 2020.”
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf

Either you are stupid or you think we are. The racial preference isn't explicit. It's achieved through proxies.

There are no racial preferences, no matter how much you try to claim there is.

The Harvard ruling is not applicable here.