What exactly is “brain dead” - medically speaking?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dead or alive, donor organs make lots of people very rich.

Too bad the living family of the donor receives not one dime, even if they’re destitute.

The system has zero incentive for doctors to help people get healthy again.

Oh so you, genius that you are, would rather see free market economics apply to the organ procurement industry? THAT would definitely not produce exactly the worst case dystonic scenario of your most paranoid nightmares.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t the organs of a cadaver be used for transplant?

I do not believe they take organs from living people, even if the person is brain dead. Doctors will keep a person on life support while they assemble the personnel and equipment they need and then they will take the organs very soon after death.

What’s supposed to happen when the person starts moving?

Depends on if you are trying to write a sensational story, or not.

The truth is that any individual who did "start moving," did so as part of the testing process to see whether or not there was movement in response to stimuli. So it worked to identify them as not a candidate.

But that doesn't sell advertising.

In a perfect world, this would be truth.

Even in an imperfect world. It's just reality, PP.

Luckily, someone did intervene in this case to stop the coordinator from finding another doctor. Does that happen every time? We will never know.

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2024/10/16/nx-s1-5113976/organ-transplantion-mistake-brain-dead-surgery-still-alive

Share this with your loved ones.
Everyone needs to hear this.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t the organs of a cadaver be used for transplant?

I do not believe they take organs from living people, even if the person is brain dead. Doctors will keep a person on life support while they assemble the personnel and equipment they need and then they will take the organs very soon after death.

What’s supposed to happen when the person starts moving?

Depends on if you are trying to write a sensational story, or not.

The truth is that any individual who did "start moving," did so as part of the testing process to see whether or not there was movement in response to stimuli. So it worked to identify them as not a candidate.

But that doesn't sell advertising.

In a perfect world, this would be truth.

Even in an imperfect world. It's just reality, PP.

Luckily, someone did intervene in this case to stop the coordinator from finding another doctor. Does that happen every time? We will never know.

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2024/10/16/nx-s1-5113976/organ-transplantion-mistake-brain-dead-surgery-still-alive

Share this with your loved ones.
Everyone needs to hear this.

The story about someone who wanted to donate his organs, but, out of an abundance of caution, staff called off the process a few days before he died?

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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t the organs of a cadaver be used for transplant?

I do not believe they take organs from living people, even if the person is brain dead. Doctors will keep a person on life support while they assemble the personnel and equipment they need and then they will take the organs very soon after death.

What’s supposed to happen when the person starts moving?

Apparently, you sedate them so they stop moving and finish the procedure.

Sorry to further confuse you, but brain dead people can even sometimes move involuntarily (not voluntarily), because of intact spinal cord reflexes that can proceed without any brain input at all.

Have you ever seen a chicken with its head cut off move or run around? That chicken is still not coming back to life.

Sorry to surprise you, but “brain dead” people are constantly coming back to life…. which means they were NEVER dead, Dr. Mengele. It doesn’t even necessarily make the news anymore. Shame on you all.

The human organ harvesting industry must be reevaluated pronto.

There’s never once been a patient who has recovered from brain death. Persistent vegetative state, yes.

But if there’s no brain stem function and no perfusion to the brain, there’s no coming back from that. This isn’t up for debate. You’re free to disagree but it’s a bit like disagreeing that water is wet.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t the organs of a cadaver be used for transplant?

I do not believe they take organs from living people, even if the person is brain dead. Doctors will keep a person on life support while they assemble the personnel and equipment they need and then they will take the organs very soon after death.

What’s supposed to happen when the person starts moving?

Apparently, you sedate them so they stop moving and finish the procedure.

Sorry to further confuse you, but brain dead people can even sometimes move involuntarily (not voluntarily), because of intact spinal cord reflexes that can proceed without any brain input at all.

Have you ever seen a chicken with its head cut off move or run around? That chicken is still not coming back to life.

Sorry to surprise you, but “brain dead” people are constantly coming back to life…. which means they were NEVER dead, Dr. Mengele. It doesn’t even necessarily make the news anymore. Shame on you all.

The human organ harvesting industry must be reevaluated pronto.

There’s never once been a patient who has recovered from brain death. Persistent vegetative state, yes.

But if there’s no brain stem function and no perfusion to the brain, there’s no coming back from that. This isn’t up for debate. You’re free to disagree but it’s a bit like disagreeing that water is wet.

As the doctor from an article stated, "No one has recovered from CORRECTLY diagnosed brain death..." Emphasis added.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t the organs of a cadaver be used for transplant?

I do not believe they take organs from living people, even if the person is brain dead. Doctors will keep a person on life support while they assemble the personnel and equipment they need and then they will take the organs very soon after death.

What’s supposed to happen when the person starts moving?

Apparently, you sedate them so they stop moving and finish the procedure.

Sorry to further confuse you, but brain dead people can even sometimes move involuntarily (not voluntarily), because of intact spinal cord reflexes that can proceed without any brain input at all.

Have you ever seen a chicken with its head cut off move or run around? That chicken is still not coming back to life.

Sorry to surprise you, but “brain dead” people are constantly coming back to life…. which means they were NEVER dead, Dr. Mengele. It doesn’t even necessarily make the news anymore. Shame on you all.

The human organ harvesting industry must be reevaluated pronto.

There’s never once been a patient who has recovered from brain death. Persistent vegetative state, yes.

But if there’s no brain stem function and no perfusion to the brain, there’s no coming back from that. This isn’t up for debate. You’re free to disagree but it’s a bit like disagreeing that water is wet.

As the doctor from an article stated, "No one has recovered from CORRECTLY diagnosed brain death..." Emphasis added.

So who knows how many of our loved ones are getting INCORRECTLY diagnosed as brain dead?

And swiftly injected with meds to instantly paralyze the body so the person is literally stopped from waving their arms in protest?

This is Frankenstein horror.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t the organs of a cadaver be used for transplant?

I do not believe they take organs from living people, even if the person is brain dead. Doctors will keep a person on life support while they assemble the personnel and equipment they need and then they will take the organs very soon after death.

What’s supposed to happen when the person starts moving?

Apparently, you sedate them so they stop moving and finish the procedure.

Sorry to further confuse you, but brain dead people can even sometimes move involuntarily (not voluntarily), because of intact spinal cord reflexes that can proceed without any brain input at all.

Have you ever seen a chicken with its head cut off move or run around? That chicken is still not coming back to life.

Sorry to surprise you, but “brain dead” people are constantly coming back to life…. which means they were NEVER dead, Dr. Mengele. It doesn’t even necessarily make the news anymore. Shame on you all.

The human organ harvesting industry must be reevaluated pronto.

There’s never once been a patient who has recovered from brain death. Persistent vegetative state, yes.

But if there’s no brain stem function and no perfusion to the brain, there’s no coming back from that. This isn’t up for debate. You’re free to disagree but it’s a bit like disagreeing that water is wet.

As the doctor from an article stated, "No one has recovered from CORRECTLY diagnosed brain death..." Emphasis added.

So who knows how many of our loved ones are getting INCORRECTLY diagnosed as brain dead?

And swiftly injected with meds to instantly paralyze the body so the person is literally stopped from waving their arms in protest?

This is Frankenstein horror.

I'm not going to claim doctors don't make mistakes. They're human- of course they do. And given the nature of what they do, sometimes people die due to those mistakes.

Can mistakes happen with patients whose families have opted to donate organs? Of course it is possible, and some of the stories may contain examples of such mistakes. But, we shown in those stories, there are teams of doctors and nurses involved in those procedures, providing multiple opportunities to catch mistakes.

The kinds of mistakes you're imaging are apmost certainly less likely with that many different providers involved, not more likely.

Also understand that many of these stories don't even involve mistakes- just people that took longer to die than expected once removed from life support. Remember, most, if not all, of the stories referenced in this thread don't even involve patients diagnosed with brain death.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t the organs of a cadaver be used for transplant?

I do not believe they take organs from living people, even if the person is brain dead. Doctors will keep a person on life support while they assemble the personnel and equipment they need and then they will take the organs very soon after death.

What’s supposed to happen when the person starts moving?

Apparently, you sedate them so they stop moving and finish the procedure.

Sorry to further confuse you, but brain dead people can even sometimes move involuntarily (not voluntarily), because of intact spinal cord reflexes that can proceed without any brain input at all.

Have you ever seen a chicken with its head cut off move or run around? That chicken is still not coming back to life.

Sorry to surprise you, but “brain dead” people are constantly coming back to life…. which means they were NEVER dead, Dr. Mengele. It doesn’t even necessarily make the news anymore. Shame on you all.

The human organ harvesting industry must be reevaluated pronto.

There’s never once been a patient who has recovered from brain death. Persistent vegetative state, yes.

But if there’s no brain stem function and no perfusion to the brain, there’s no coming back from that. This isn’t up for debate. You’re free to disagree but it’s a bit like disagreeing that water is wet.

As the doctor from an article stated, "No one has recovered from CORRECTLY diagnosed brain death..." Emphasis added.

So who knows how many of our loved ones are getting INCORRECTLY diagnosed as brain dead?

And swiftly injected with meds to instantly paralyze the body so the person is literally stopped from waving their arms in protest?

This is Frankenstein horror.

Here’s an example of a case of “incorrectly diagnosed brain death,” also known as “abuse of a corpse.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahi_McMath_case

[Anonymous]

Well the troll has moved over to the remaining thread. Reporting and hopefully this one will also be locked and removed bc no one should be allowed to spread misinformation that hurts people like the troll is trying to.