AAP school experience

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Anonymous wrote:In my experience, it's parents of the gen ed kids who cause the most strife. They pass their jealousy off to their kids, which is nonsense if AAP is the lousy program they claim it is. If that were true, why would it matter what class your kid was in?

Oh, please. When your kid comes home from school in tears because all of their friends told them they just "weren't smart enough" to join them in AAP, get back to us. I never said anything at all to my DC about AAP, other than to reassure them after being hurt by these obnoxious kids.

Calling them “obnoxious“ really bolsters your argument that you’re not jealous.

DP but gee, I wonder where these children are getting their "we're better than you" attitude from. In talking to neighbors, all the bright kids end up in the same AP classes in high school anyway, so why should anyone care?

Here's the thing: Parents without kids in AAP spout all the time that "kids are all together in MS honors" or "end up in the same AP classes high school anyway."

If that is the truth, turn the question back on yourselves: Why should anyone care?

I'm so sick of parents trying to cut down a program just because their kid wasn't selected. Grow up.

I just posted above that my kid is a high stat kid. I don’t know all the kids from all the other schools. I do know most of the kids that my kids went to elementary school with. Many kids who didn’t get into AAP switched to private school, the ones who probably would have done well in honors or AP classes. There are new kids who moved in middle and high school who were never in AAP that do great too. There is not some huge population of non AAP kids who do significantly better than the AAP kids and end up at Harvard or Yale.

That's great, it sounds like those kids were just where they needed to be to do well. No need for you to worry then about other kids and their elementary school placement.

Not a huge population of AAP kids who end up at Harvard or Yale either.

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Why do any of you genuinely care what class any other kid besides yours is in? The jealousy of some parents is disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:I have friends in other school districts that don’t have an AAP or solid gifted program. Their kids are not challenged and in the same classes as every other kid besides math and that doesn’t seem to be good either.

I don’t think it is right to put the super bright advanced kids with kids who struggle. It is doing a disadvantage for both kids.

I think the problem is that AAP is not actually all the "super bright advanced kids". I would be totally fine with the truly gifted children having their own program, but 30% of the population in FCPS is not advanced (at our ES, there are three classes, one is AAP. We know these kids, they're not all gifted. Maybe three of them are.).

I was stating both ends should not be in the same class.

I do think the AAP kids are either naturally smart and/or have better discipline.

I do not like the kids being labeled either. Just put the smarter kids in the same class. That’s how it was done when I was a kid.

I taught for years with all kinds of kids. It can be done. Labeling too early is damaging. No [b]rigid tracking should be done until at least fourth grade. Too many kids blossom at different times.[/b]

And, how do you put the "smarter kids" in the same class without labeling?

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Second grade is way, way too early to label a child "gifted" or "not gifted."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do any of you genuinely care what class any other kid besides yours is in? The jealousy of some parents is disgusting.

Maybe if parents like you would bring your kids up properly, they wouldn't be insulting to kids who don't get into AAP. That's what is disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:In my experience, it's parents of the gen ed kids who cause the most strife. They pass their jealousy off to their kids, which is nonsense if AAP is the lousy program they claim it is. If that were true, why would it matter what class your kid was in?

Agree! They have an inferiority complex.

Respectfully, you're full of crap. Parents could remain completely silent about anything AAP-related, and the Gen Ed kids would still be getting the message from AAP kids in some instances that the AAP kids are "gifted" and the Gen Ed kids are "lesser than." It's a predictable consequence of the structure FCPS has created and the early age at which kids are screened and separated. One need only read Golding or Orwell to know this.

Exactly. This is human nature and FCPS has seen fit to foster this environment by creating this enormous monster (AAP) and labeling kids at the age of seven. It truly turns my stomach. Which isn't to say there shouldn't be advanced classes - there absolutely should. But ALL kids should be able to cycle into and out of them as needed. I think teachers would be quite astounded at exactly who is advanced when given the chance to perform. And this is why you see so many kids leaping ahead in high school - because they're finally "allowed" to take advanced classes. They should have been allowed the entire time.

+1This is fundamentally wrong. And the irony is that the kids in AAP are on the most part average students. Then you have some overly trained, overly supplemented ones who appear smart but only due to outside tutors, parents, and classes. Then you only truly have 1-2% who are gifted academics who want to learn for learning’s sake. The program has been a ruse and a disappointment in implementation.

We used to live in a high FARMs area and there was a huge difference when my child went to the AAP center. All the smart kids from 10+ schools went to an AAP center and the cohort of kids was excellent. We then moved to a wealthier area and the AAP peer group has also been positive. Of course the bottom kids at AAP are just average and some smart kids who should have gotten in didn’t get in but for the most part, the peer group is great.

DP. Do you hear yourself? FYI, there were plenty of smart kids who remained at their base schools and/or didn't get into AAP.

Well they weren’t able to get into the top 30% of fcps to get into AAP.

It is fine if your kid didn’t get in. It is fine to feel bad about it. You don’t need to say how smart they are compared to the kids who are in the program.

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Anonymous wrote:In my experience, it's parents of the gen ed kids who cause the most strife. They pass their jealousy off to their kids, which is nonsense if AAP is the lousy program they claim it is. If that were true, why would it matter what class your kid was in?

Oh, please. When your kid comes home from school in tears because all of their friends told them they just "weren't smart enough" to join them in AAP, get back to us. I never said anything at all to my DC about AAP, other than to reassure them after being hurt by these obnoxious kids.

Calling them “obnoxious“ really bolsters your argument that you’re not jealous.

DP but gee, I wonder where these children are getting their "we're better than you" attitude from. In talking to neighbors, all the bright kids end up in the same AP classes in high school anyway, so why should anyone care?

Here's the thing: Parents without kids in AAP spout all the time that "kids are all together in MS honors" or "end up in the same AP classes high school anyway."

If that is the truth, turn the question back on yourselves: Why should anyone care?

I'm so sick of parents trying to cut down a program just because their kid wasn't selected. Grow up.

I just posted above that my kid is a high stat kid. I don’t know all the kids from all the other schools. I do know most of the kids that my kids went to elementary school with. Many kids who didn’t get into AAP switched to private school, the ones who probably would have done well in honors or AP classes. There are new kids who moved in middle and high school who were never in AAP that do great too. There is not some huge population of non AAP kids who do significantly better than the AAP kids and end up at Harvard or Yale.

That's great, it sounds like those kids were just where they needed to be to do well. No need for you to worry then about other kids and their elementary school placement.

Not a huge population of AAP kids who end up at Harvard or Yale either.

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UVA is where they end up.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do any of you genuinely care what class any other kid besides yours is in? The jealousy of some parents is disgusting.

Maybe if parents like you would bring your kids up properly, they wouldn't be insulting to kids who don't get into AAP. That's what is disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:I have friends in other school districts that don’t have an AAP or solid gifted program. Their kids are not challenged and in the same classes as every other kid besides math and that doesn’t seem to be good either.

I don’t think it is right to put the super bright advanced kids with kids who struggle. It is doing a disadvantage for both kids.

I think the problem is that AAP is not actually all the "super bright advanced kids". I would be totally fine with the truly gifted children having their own program, but 30% of the population in FCPS is not advanced (at our ES, there are three classes, one is AAP. We know these kids, they're not all gifted. Maybe three of them are.).

I was stating both ends should not be in the same class.

I do think the AAP kids are either naturally smart and/or have better discipline.

I do not like the kids being labeled either. Just put the smarter kids in the same class. That’s how it was done when I was a kid.

I taught for years with all kinds of kids. It can be done. Labeling too early is damaging. No [b]rigid tracking should be done until at least fourth grade. Too many kids blossom at different times.[/b]

And, how do you put the "smarter kids" in the same class without labeling?

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Second grade is way, way too early to label a child "gifted" or "not gifted."

I was always told I was gifted since I could remember. Every teacher loved me. I went to Harvard. I www always told I was smart. DH probably would not have gotten into AAP in second grade. He had such a chip. He is very successful now. I think getting put down by kids and being made to feel less than by some teachers gave him extra drive.

Maybe some of these kids who feel bad for not getting in will be like my DH.

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Anonymous wrote:I have friends in other school districts that don’t have an AAP or solid gifted program. Their kids are not challenged and in the same classes as every other kid besides math and that doesn’t seem to be good either.

I don’t think it is right to put the super bright advanced kids with kids who struggle. It is doing a disadvantage for both kids.

I think the problem is that AAP is not actually all the "super bright advanced kids". I would be totally fine with the truly gifted children having their own program, but 30% of the population in FCPS is not advanced (at our ES, there are three classes, one is AAP. We know these kids, they're not all gifted. Maybe three of them are.).

I was stating both ends should not be in the same class.

I do think the AAP kids are either naturally smart and/or have better discipline.

I do not like the kids being labeled either. Just put the smarter kids in the same class. That’s how it was done when I was a kid.

I taught for years with all kinds of kids. It can be done. Labeling too early is damaging. No [b]rigid tracking should be done until at least fourth grade. Too many kids blossom at different times.[/b]

And, how do you put the "smarter kids" in the same class without labeling?

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Second grade is way, way too early to label a child "gifted" or "not gifted."

I was always told I was gifted since I could remember. Every teacher loved me. I went to Harvard. I www always told I was smart. DH probably would not have gotten into AAP in second grade. He had such a chip. He is very successful now. I think getting put down by kids and being made to feel less than by some teachers gave him extra drive.

Maybe some of these kids who feel bad for not getting in will be like my DH.

No. Just no.

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Anonymous wrote:In my experience, it's parents of the gen ed kids who cause the most strife. They pass their jealousy off to their kids, which is nonsense if AAP is the lousy program they claim it is. If that were true, why would it matter what class your kid was in?

Oh, please. When your kid comes home from school in tears because all of their friends told them they just "weren't smart enough" to join them in AAP, get back to us. I never said anything at all to my DC about AAP, other than to reassure them after being hurt by these obnoxious kids.

Calling them “obnoxious“ really bolsters your argument that you’re not jealous.

DP but gee, I wonder where these children are getting their "we're better than you" attitude from. In talking to neighbors, all the bright kids end up in the same AP classes in high school anyway, so why should anyone care?

Here's the thing: Parents without kids in AAP spout all the time that "kids are all together in MS honors" or "end up in the same AP classes high school anyway."

If that is the truth, turn the question back on yourselves: Why should anyone care?

I'm so sick of parents trying to cut down a program just because their kid wasn't selected. Grow up.

I just posted above that my kid is a high stat kid. I don’t know all the kids from all the other schools. I do know most of the kids that my kids went to elementary school with. Many kids who didn’t get into AAP switched to private school, the ones who probably would have done well in honors or AP classes. There are new kids who moved in middle and high school who were never in AAP that do great too. There is not some huge population of non AAP kids who do significantly better than the AAP kids and end up at Harvard or Yale.

You're right, you don't know all the kids from all the other schools so your weird anecdote is totally false. AAP is not the huge indicator of success that you think it is.

I didn’t grow up around here. I did attend a magnet high school and DH and I are both ivy educated. I really don’t care about AAP or what college others go to. I definitely don’t care if another person’s kid is in AAP or not. I only care about my kids and I like their peer group in AAP.

I meant the other elementary schools feeding into Cooper/Langley when referring to other schools. From our elementary, most of the smart kids were in AAP. It felt like half of Cooper was AAP so this isn’t some difficult group to be in.

I knew from your first post that you were a Langley parent. So obvious.

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Anonymous wrote:In my experience, it's parents of the gen ed kids who cause the most strife. They pass their jealousy off to their kids, which is nonsense if AAP is the lousy program they claim it is. If that were true, why would it matter what class your kid was in?

Agree! They have an inferiority complex.

Respectfully, you're full of crap. Parents could remain completely silent about anything AAP-related, and the Gen Ed kids would still be getting the message from AAP kids in some instances that the AAP kids are "gifted" and the Gen Ed kids are "lesser than." It's a predictable consequence of the structure FCPS has created and the early age at which kids are screened and separated. One need only read Golding or Orwell to know this.

Exactly. This is human nature and FCPS has seen fit to foster this environment by creating this enormous monster (AAP) and labeling kids at the age of seven. It truly turns my stomach. Which isn't to say there shouldn't be advanced classes - there absolutely should. But ALL kids should be able to cycle into and out of them as needed. I think teachers would be quite astounded at exactly who is advanced when given the chance to perform. And this is why you see so many kids leaping ahead in high school - because they're finally "allowed" to take advanced classes. They should have been allowed the entire time.

+1This is fundamentally wrong. And the irony is that the kids in AAP are on the most part average students. Then you have some overly trained, overly supplemented ones who appear smart but only due to outside tutors, parents, and classes. Then you only truly have 1-2% who are gifted academics who want to learn for learning’s sake. The program has been a ruse and a disappointment in implementation.

We used to live in a high FARMs area and there was a huge difference when my child went to the AAP center. All the smart kids from 10+ schools went to an AAP center and the cohort of kids was excellent. We then moved to a wealthier area and the AAP peer group has also been positive. Of course the bottom kids at AAP are just average and some smart kids who should have gotten in didn’t get in but for the most part, the peer group is great.

DP. Do you hear yourself? FYI, there were plenty of smart kids who remained at their base schools and/or didn't get into AAP.

Well they weren’t able to get into the top 30% of fcps to get into AAP.

It is fine if your kid didn’t get in. It is fine to feel bad about it. You don’t need to say how smart they are compared to the kids who are in the program.

Oh my god. You're the perfect example of what is wrong with this whole thing and you don't even realize it.

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Anonymous wrote:In my experience, it's parents of the gen ed kids who cause the most strife. They pass their jealousy off to their kids, which is nonsense if AAP is the lousy program they claim it is. If that were true, why would it matter what class your kid was in?

Oh, please. When your kid comes home from school in tears because all of their friends told them they just "weren't smart enough" to join them in AAP, get back to us. I never said anything at all to my DC about AAP, other than to reassure them after being hurt by these obnoxious kids.

Calling them “obnoxious“ really bolsters your argument that you’re not jealous.

Sorry - anybody making that remark is, indeed, obnoxious. Most likely, you're a parent of one of those kids and they were repeating your comments on the subject.

I have two kids who were in AAP and a current second grader. I would be very upset if I found out any of my kids put another kid down for not being in AAP.

Kids are jerks. I have friends whose kids suffer when their friends put them down for not getting on certain sports teams. I have one kid who was on rec soccer and basketball while all their kids played travel. He eventually did move up to travel but I know he felt bad when his friends were playing at a higher level. This is just human nature.

The difference is that the basketball stuff is not caused and perpetuated by the school. AAP is. For nothing except advanced math.

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What a waste of thread…

Seriously people, why can’t you see this is a waste of thread.

Same old same old tired argument…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In my experience, it's parents of the gen ed kids who cause the most strife. They pass their jealousy off to their kids, which is nonsense if AAP is the lousy program they claim it is. If that were true, why would it matter what class your kid was in?

Oh, please. When your kid comes home from school in tears because all of their friends told them they just "weren't smart enough" to join them in AAP, get back to us. I never said anything at all to my DC about AAP, other than to reassure them after being hurt by these obnoxious kids.

Calling them “obnoxious“ really bolsters your argument that you’re not jealous.

DP but gee, I wonder where these children are getting their "we're better than you" attitude from. In talking to neighbors, all the bright kids end up in the same AP classes in high school anyway, so why should anyone care?

Here's the thing: Parents without kids in AAP spout all the time that "kids are all together in MS honors" or "end up in the same AP classes high school anyway."

If that is the truth, turn the question back on yourselves: Why should anyone care?

I'm so sick of parents trying to cut down a program just because their kid wasn't selected. Grow up.

I just posted above that my kid is a high stat kid. I don’t know all the kids from all the other schools. I do know most of the kids that my kids went to elementary school with. Many kids who didn’t get into AAP switched to private school, the ones who probably would have done well in honors or AP classes. There are new kids who moved in middle and high school who were never in AAP that do great too. There is not some huge population of non AAP kids who do significantly better than the AAP kids and end up at Harvard or Yale.

That's great, it sounds like those kids were just where they needed to be to do well. No need for you to worry then about other kids and their elementary school placement.

Not a huge population of AAP kids who end up at Harvard or Yale either.

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UVA is where they end up.

Yes, because most of the AAP kids are strivers and not really gifted at all.

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Is the argument now that UVA doesn't have gifted students? I guess all the TJ grads that end up there are real dunces! /s