Why do only children believe goblins and Santa, but adults believe in God?

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Anonymous wrote:OP because I want to. It's a free country so far anyway.

Sure go ahead, and also don't denigrate people who don't believe

Problem is people often feel denigrated by facts. That’s a “them” problem.

It's not a them problem. Religious beliefs have caused significant harm to society by fueling conflict and violence (Crusades, acts of terrorism, etc), justifying discrimination (women, LGBTQ+ individuals, and people of different faiths), suppressed scientific advancements (condemnation of Galileo e.g.), and fostered deep social divisions of mistrust and hostility (catholics vs protestants, condemnation of Jews, christians vs muslims). Additionally, believers often try to impose those beliefs whether directly (mandating bibles in schools) or indirectly (anti-abortion views) on others through laws.

It's not a free country when lawmakers try to force their religiously inspired perspective by passing laws that limit personal freedoms.

People wouldn’t care what you think or do if you weren’t trying to take away people’s rights because of your religious beliefs.

I'd still care that some people are religious, because a lot of them are so sure they're right and that non-believers are inferior. If that changes, I won't care as much.

I'll still care, though, because I hate to see people wasting precious time in the only life they have for the false promise of an everlasting life after they die.

NP: How are they wasting time living a life that brings them joy and comfort and way to live a good life? It doesn't have to be the same way as yours to also be a good life for them.

They are wasting time trying to live up to the demands of their "God" expecting heavenly rewards which will not come. Fine if their life brings them joy and comfort. Not fine if they spend the one life they have striving to please an imaginary being

What should they be doing with their life instead that they're not doing? There are many people whose belief in God leads them to donate time and money to help make the world a better place. Religious institutions organize food drives for food pantries, organize volunteer groups at soup kitchens and homeless shelters, plan fundraisers for refugees, and more. Are those activities a waste of time because the people participating are motivated by their belief in God?

Yes, because if you need a belief in god to act like a good person, then you are not a good person.

I do all of those charitable things you mention and then some (except for refugees) and I have never believed in a god.

Thank you for your charitable work. I'm sure that the good you do in the world is appreciated by those who benefit from it, regardless of your motivation.

Also, the bolded didn't really answer the question. I didn't ask if the motivation made someone a good person. I asked if those things are a waste of time, since PP's claim was that religious people waste time trying to live up to God? I don't wholly disagree, since I think there are ways in which people DO waste time, particularly by proselytizing and judging the beliefs of others. But I don't understand how it is a waste of time to help others in this life, even if you disagree with the reason why a person is volunteering/donating?

It's not a waste of time to help people in need. What is a waste of time is thinking that such good deeds are going to get you into a heaven which does not exist.

Everyone already thinks that the lights simply go out for their beloved dogs and cats when they die, but many still think that, after death, they, because they are human and were good during life, are going to live forever with God in heaven.

Not everyone who believes in God believes in heaven or eternal life. Not everyone who does good acts in the name of God think they're doing it for personal salvation.

Google says that "In the Abrahamic faiths of Christianity, Islam, and some schools of Judaism, heaven is a place where good deeds in a previous life are rewarded. Hell is the place where bad behavior is punished."

Are you of another religion?

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Anonymous wrote:OP because I want to. It's a free country so far anyway.

Sure go ahead, and also don't denigrate people who don't believe

Problem is people often feel denigrated by facts. That’s a “them” problem.

It's not a them problem. Religious beliefs have caused significant harm to society by fueling conflict and violence (Crusades, acts of terrorism, etc), justifying discrimination (women, LGBTQ+ individuals, and people of different faiths), suppressed scientific advancements (condemnation of Galileo e.g.), and fostered deep social divisions of mistrust and hostility (catholics vs protestants, condemnation of Jews, christians vs muslims). Additionally, believers often try to impose those beliefs whether directly (mandating bibles in schools) or indirectly (anti-abortion views) on others through laws.

It's not a free country when lawmakers try to force their religiously inspired perspective by passing laws that limit personal freedoms.

People wouldn’t care what you think or do if you weren’t trying to take away people’s rights because of your religious beliefs.

I'd still care that some people are religious, because a lot of them are so sure they're right and that non-believers are inferior. If that changes, I won't care as much.

I'll still care, though, because I hate to see people wasting precious time in the only life they have for the false promise of an everlasting life after they die.

NP: How are they wasting time living a life that brings them joy and comfort and way to live a good life? It doesn't have to be the same way as yours to also be a good life for them.

They are wasting time trying to live up to the demands of their "God" expecting heavenly rewards which will not come. Fine if their life brings them joy and comfort. Not fine if they spend the one life they have striving to please an imaginary being

What should they be doing with their life instead that they're not doing? There are many people whose belief in God leads them to donate time and money to help make the world a better place. Religious institutions organize food drives for food pantries, organize volunteer groups at soup kitchens and homeless shelters, plan fundraisers for refugees, and more. Are those activities a waste of time because the people participating are motivated by their belief in God?

Yes, because if you need a belief in god to act like a good person, then you are not a good person.

I do all of those charitable things you mention and then some (except for refugees) and I have never believed in a god.

Thank you for your charitable work. I'm sure that the good you do in the world is appreciated by those who benefit from it, regardless of your motivation.

Also, the bolded didn't really answer the question. I didn't ask if the motivation made someone a good person. I asked if those things are a waste of time, since PP's claim was that religious people waste time trying to live up to God? I don't wholly disagree, since I think there are ways in which people DO waste time, particularly by proselytizing and judging the beliefs of others. But I don't understand how it is a waste of time to help others in this life, even if you disagree with the reason why a person is volunteering/donating?

So you didn't think that my response (which began with the word "Yes") answered the question, or just didn't agree with the answer? The latter is fine as it is entirely your prerogative, the former is puzzling.

I don't think you answered the question. "Yes" followed by your reasoning that didn't relate to wasting time didn't make sense to me as an answer. That's why I asked for clarification. Your answer struck me as the answer to the question, "Does motivation matter for being a good person?" NOT the question, "Are [good] activities a waste of time because the people participating are motivated by their belief in God?" I asked the latter, not the former.

They had a goal. - please their god. If there isn’t one then that was a waste of time. They didn’t do the good things out of empathy and kindness, so also not good people.

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Anonymous wrote:OP because I want to. It's a free country so far anyway.

Sure go ahead, and also don't denigrate people who don't believe

Problem is people often feel denigrated by facts. That’s a “them” problem.

It's not a them problem. Religious beliefs have caused significant harm to society by fueling conflict and violence (Crusades, acts of terrorism, etc), justifying discrimination (women, LGBTQ+ individuals, and people of different faiths), suppressed scientific advancements (condemnation of Galileo e.g.), and fostered deep social divisions of mistrust and hostility (catholics vs protestants, condemnation of Jews, christians vs muslims). Additionally, believers often try to impose those beliefs whether directly (mandating bibles in schools) or indirectly (anti-abortion views) on others through laws.

It's not a free country when lawmakers try to force their religiously inspired perspective by passing laws that limit personal freedoms.

People wouldn’t care what you think or do if you weren’t trying to take away people’s rights because of your religious beliefs.

I'd still care that some people are religious, because a lot of them are so sure they're right and that non-believers are inferior. If that changes, I won't care as much.

I'll still care, though, because I hate to see people wasting precious time in the only life they have for the false promise of an everlasting life after they die.

NP: How are they wasting time living a life that brings them joy and comfort and way to live a good life? It doesn't have to be the same way as yours to also be a good life for them.

They are wasting time trying to live up to the demands of their "God" expecting heavenly rewards which will not come. Fine if their life brings them joy and comfort. Not fine if they spend the one life they have striving to please an imaginary being

What should they be doing with their life instead that they're not doing? There are many people whose belief in God leads them to donate time and money to help make the world a better place. Religious institutions organize food drives for food pantries, organize volunteer groups at soup kitchens and homeless shelters, plan fundraisers for refugees, and more. Are those activities a waste of time because the people participating are motivated by their belief in God?

Yes, because if you need a belief in god to act like a good person, then you are not a good person.

I do all of those charitable things you mention and then some (except for refugees) and I have never believed in a god.

Thank you for your charitable work. I'm sure that the good you do in the world is appreciated by those who benefit from it, regardless of your motivation.

Also, the bolded didn't really answer the question. I didn't ask if the motivation made someone a good person. I asked if those things are a waste of time, since PP's claim was that religious people waste time trying to live up to God? I don't wholly disagree, since I think there are ways in which people DO waste time, particularly by proselytizing and judging the beliefs of others. But I don't understand how it is a waste of time to help others in this life, even if you disagree with the reason why a person is volunteering/donating?

So you didn't think that my response (which began with the word "Yes") answered the question, or just didn't agree with the answer? The latter is fine as it is entirely your prerogative, the former is puzzling.

I don't think you answered the question. "Yes" followed by your reasoning that didn't relate to wasting time didn't make sense to me as an answer. That's why I asked for clarification. Your answer struck me as the answer to the question, "Does motivation matter for being a good person?" NOT the question, "Are [good] activities a waste of time because the people participating are motivated by their belief in God?" I asked the latter, not the former.

They had a goal. - please their god. If there isn’t one then that was a waste of time. They didn’t do the good things out of empathy and kindness, so also not good people.

Perhaps, they did "the good things" not only for their god, but "out of empathy and kindness" as well.

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Anonymous wrote:OP because I want to. It's a free country so far anyway.

Sure go ahead, and also don't denigrate people who don't believe

Problem is people often feel denigrated by facts. That’s a “them” problem.

It's not a them problem. Religious beliefs have caused significant harm to society by fueling conflict and violence (Crusades, acts of terrorism, etc), justifying discrimination (women, LGBTQ+ individuals, and people of different faiths), suppressed scientific advancements (condemnation of Galileo e.g.), and fostered deep social divisions of mistrust and hostility (catholics vs protestants, condemnation of Jews, christians vs muslims). Additionally, believers often try to impose those beliefs whether directly (mandating bibles in schools) or indirectly (anti-abortion views) on others through laws.

It's not a free country when lawmakers try to force their religiously inspired perspective by passing laws that limit personal freedoms.

People wouldn’t care what you think or do if you weren’t trying to take away people’s rights because of your religious beliefs.

I'd still care that some people are religious, because a lot of them are so sure they're right and that non-believers are inferior. If that changes, I won't care as much.

I'll still care, though, because I hate to see people wasting precious time in the only life they have for the false promise of an everlasting life after they die.

NP: How are they wasting time living a life that brings them joy and comfort and way to live a good life? It doesn't have to be the same way as yours to also be a good life for them.

They are wasting time trying to live up to the demands of their "God" expecting heavenly rewards which will not come. Fine if their life brings them joy and comfort. Not fine if they spend the one life they have striving to please an imaginary being

What should they be doing with their life instead that they're not doing? There are many people whose belief in God leads them to donate time and money to help make the world a better place. Religious institutions organize food drives for food pantries, organize volunteer groups at soup kitchens and homeless shelters, plan fundraisers for refugees, and more. Are those activities a waste of time because the people participating are motivated by their belief in God?

Yes, because if you need a belief in god to act like a good person, then you are not a good person.

I do all of those charitable things you mention and then some (except for refugees) and I have never believed in a god.

Thank you for your charitable work. I'm sure that the good you do in the world is appreciated by those who benefit from it, regardless of your motivation.

Also, the bolded didn't really answer the question. I didn't ask if the motivation made someone a good person. I asked if those things are a waste of time, since PP's claim was that religious people waste time trying to live up to God? I don't wholly disagree, since I think there are ways in which people DO waste time, particularly by proselytizing and judging the beliefs of others. But I don't understand how it is a waste of time to help others in this life, even if you disagree with the reason why a person is volunteering/donating?

So you didn't think that my response (which began with the word "Yes") answered the question, or just didn't agree with the answer? The latter is fine as it is entirely your prerogative, the former is puzzling.

I don't think you answered the question. "Yes" followed by your reasoning that didn't relate to wasting time didn't make sense to me as an answer. That's why I asked for clarification. Your answer struck me as the answer to the question, "Does motivation matter for being a good person?" NOT the question, "Are [good] activities a waste of time because the people participating are motivated by their belief in God?" I asked the latter, not the former.

They had a goal. - please their god. If there isn’t one then that was a waste of time. They didn’t do the good things out of empathy and kindness, so also not good people.

Perhaps, they did "the good things" not only for their god, but "out of empathy and kindness" as well.

That was not the example people are responding to.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s considered silly for adults to believe in goblins, Santa and fairies, but it’s OK, even desirable, for grown adults to believe in God. Why do you think this is?

Interested in hearing from both believers and non-believers.

Maybe look at cultures outside of the U.S. and Western Europe? Hell, look at non-White cultures in the U.S. before you assume what everyone thinks is “silly” to believe.

What are you suggesting?

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Anonymous wrote:OP because I want to. It's a free country so far anyway.

Sure go ahead, and also don't denigrate people who don't believe

Problem is people often feel denigrated by facts. That’s a “them” problem.

It's not a them problem. Religious beliefs have caused significant harm to society by fueling conflict and violence (Crusades, acts of terrorism, etc), justifying discrimination (women, LGBTQ+ individuals, and people of different faiths), suppressed scientific advancements (condemnation of Galileo e.g.), and fostered deep social divisions of mistrust and hostility (catholics vs protestants, condemnation of Jews, christians vs muslims). Additionally, believers often try to impose those beliefs whether directly (mandating bibles in schools) or indirectly (anti-abortion views) on others through laws.

It's not a free country when lawmakers try to force their religiously inspired perspective by passing laws that limit personal freedoms.

People wouldn’t care what you think or do if you weren’t trying to take away people’s rights because of your religious beliefs.

I'd still care that some people are religious, because a lot of them are so sure they're right and that non-believers are inferior. If that changes, I won't care as much.

I'll still care, though, because I hate to see people wasting precious time in the only life they have for the false promise of an everlasting life after they die.

NP: How are they wasting time living a life that brings them joy and comfort and way to live a good life? It doesn't have to be the same way as yours to also be a good life for them.

They are wasting time trying to live up to the demands of their "God" expecting heavenly rewards which will not come. Fine if their life brings them joy and comfort. Not fine if they spend the one life they have striving to please an imaginary being

What should they be doing with their life instead that they're not doing? There are many people whose belief in God leads them to donate time and money to help make the world a better place. Religious institutions organize food drives for food pantries, organize volunteer groups at soup kitchens and homeless shelters, plan fundraisers for refugees, and more. Are those activities a waste of time because the people participating are motivated by their belief in God?

Yes, because if you need a belief in god to act like a good person, then you are not a good person.

I do all of those charitable things you mention and then some (except for refugees) and I have never believed in a god.

Thank you for your charitable work. I'm sure that the good you do in the world is appreciated by those who benefit from it, regardless of your motivation.

Also, the bolded didn't really answer the question. I didn't ask if the motivation made someone a good person. I asked if those things are a waste of time, since PP's claim was that religious people waste time trying to live up to God? I don't wholly disagree, since I think there are ways in which people DO waste time, particularly by proselytizing and judging the beliefs of others. But I don't understand how it is a waste of time to help others in this life, even if you disagree with the reason why a person is volunteering/donating?

It's not a waste of time to help people in need. What is a waste of time is thinking that such good deeds are going to get you into a heaven which does not exist.

Everyone already thinks that the lights simply go out for their beloved dogs and cats when they die, but many still think that, after death, they, because they are human and were good during life, are going to live forever with God in heaven.

Not everyone who believes in God believes in heaven or eternal life. Not everyone who does good acts in the name of God think they're doing it for personal salvation.

Google says that "In the Abrahamic faiths of Christianity, Islam, and some schools of Judaism, heaven is a place where good deeds in a previous life are rewarded. Hell is the place where bad behavior is punished."

Are you of another religion?

DP: Google doesn't have a theology degree. To Catholics, for example, the concept of heaven is union with God, and hell is the state of intentionally, knowingly choosing to separate from God eternally. Neither is a specific, physical location. Hell is not a punishment; it's a choice. Also if you are doing a charitable service for reward (earthy or thereafter), that's inconsistent with the faith too.

All of these statements are nuanced, so trying to sum it all up in a one liner is useless.

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Anonymous wrote:OP because I want to. It's a free country so far anyway.

Sure go ahead, and also don't denigrate people who don't believe

Problem is people often feel denigrated by facts. That’s a “them” problem.

It's not a them problem. Religious beliefs have caused significant harm to society by fueling conflict and violence (Crusades, acts of terrorism, etc), justifying discrimination (women, LGBTQ+ individuals, and people of different faiths), suppressed scientific advancements (condemnation of Galileo e.g.), and fostered deep social divisions of mistrust and hostility (catholics vs protestants, condemnation of Jews, christians vs muslims). Additionally, believers often try to impose those beliefs whether directly (mandating bibles in schools) or indirectly (anti-abortion views) on others through laws.

It's not a free country when lawmakers try to force their religiously inspired perspective by passing laws that limit personal freedoms.

People wouldn’t care what you think or do if you weren’t trying to take away people’s rights because of your religious beliefs.

I'd still care that some people are religious, because a lot of them are so sure they're right and that non-believers are inferior. If that changes, I won't care as much.

I'll still care, though, because I hate to see people wasting precious time in the only life they have for the false promise of an everlasting life after they die.

NP: How are they wasting time living a life that brings them joy and comfort and way to live a good life? It doesn't have to be the same way as yours to also be a good life for them.

They are wasting time trying to live up to the demands of their "God" expecting heavenly rewards which will not come. Fine if their life brings them joy and comfort. Not fine if they spend the one life they have striving to please an imaginary being

What should they be doing with their life instead that they're not doing? There are many people whose belief in God leads them to donate time and money to help make the world a better place. Religious institutions organize food drives for food pantries, organize volunteer groups at soup kitchens and homeless shelters, plan fundraisers for refugees, and more. Are those activities a waste of time because the people participating are motivated by their belief in God?

Yes, because if you need a belief in god to act like a good person, then you are not a good person.

I do all of those charitable things you mention and then some (except for refugees) and I have never believed in a god.

Thank you for your charitable work. I'm sure that the good you do in the world is appreciated by those who benefit from it, regardless of your motivation.

Also, the bolded didn't really answer the question. I didn't ask if the motivation made someone a good person. I asked if those things are a waste of time, since PP's claim was that religious people waste time trying to live up to God? I don't wholly disagree, since I think there are ways in which people DO waste time, particularly by proselytizing and judging the beliefs of others. But I don't understand how it is a waste of time to help others in this life, even if you disagree with the reason why a person is volunteering/donating?

It's not a waste of time to help people in need. What is a waste of time is thinking that such good deeds are going to get you into a heaven which does not exist.

Everyone already thinks that the lights simply go out for their beloved dogs and cats when they die, but many still think that, after death, they, because they are human and were good during life, are going to live forever with God in heaven.

Not everyone who believes in God believes in heaven or eternal life. Not everyone who does good acts in the name of God think they're doing it for personal salvation.

Google says that "In the Abrahamic faiths of Christianity, Islam, and some schools of Judaism, heaven is a place where good deeds in a previous life are rewarded. Hell is the place where bad behavior is punished."

Are you of another religion?

DP: Google doesn't have a theology degree. To Catholics, for example, the concept of heaven is union with God, and hell is the state of intentionally, knowingly choosing to separate from God eternally. Neither is a specific, physical location. Hell is not a punishment; it's a choice. Also if you are doing a charitable service for reward (earthy or thereafter), that's inconsistent with the faith too.

All of these statements are nuanced, so trying to sum it all up in a one liner is useless.

Do you have a theology degree?

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Anonymous wrote:OP because I want to. It's a free country so far anyway.

Sure go ahead, and also don't denigrate people who don't believe

Problem is people often feel denigrated by facts. That’s a “them” problem.

It's not a them problem. Religious beliefs have caused significant harm to society by fueling conflict and violence (Crusades, acts of terrorism, etc), justifying discrimination (women, LGBTQ+ individuals, and people of different faiths), suppressed scientific advancements (condemnation of Galileo e.g.), and fostered deep social divisions of mistrust and hostility (catholics vs protestants, condemnation of Jews, christians vs muslims). Additionally, believers often try to impose those beliefs whether directly (mandating bibles in schools) or indirectly (anti-abortion views) on others through laws.

It's not a free country when lawmakers try to force their religiously inspired perspective by passing laws that limit personal freedoms.

People wouldn’t care what you think or do if you weren’t trying to take away people’s rights because of your religious beliefs.

I'd still care that some people are religious, because a lot of them are so sure they're right and that non-believers are inferior. If that changes, I won't care as much.

I'll still care, though, because I hate to see people wasting precious time in the only life they have for the false promise of an everlasting life after they die.

NP: How are they wasting time living a life that brings them joy and comfort and way to live a good life? It doesn't have to be the same way as yours to also be a good life for them.

They are wasting time trying to live up to the demands of their "God" expecting heavenly rewards which will not come. Fine if their life brings them joy and comfort. Not fine if they spend the one life they have striving to please an imaginary being

What should they be doing with their life instead that they're not doing? There are many people whose belief in God leads them to donate time and money to help make the world a better place. Religious institutions organize food drives for food pantries, organize volunteer groups at soup kitchens and homeless shelters, plan fundraisers for refugees, and more. Are those activities a waste of time because the people participating are motivated by their belief in God?

Yes, because if you need a belief in god to act like a good person, then you are not a good person.

I do all of those charitable things you mention and then some (except for refugees) and I have never believed in a god.

Thank you for your charitable work. I'm sure that the good you do in the world is appreciated by those who benefit from it, regardless of your motivation.

Also, the bolded didn't really answer the question. I didn't ask if the motivation made someone a good person. I asked if those things are a waste of time, since PP's claim was that religious people waste time trying to live up to God? I don't wholly disagree, since I think there are ways in which people DO waste time, particularly by proselytizing and judging the beliefs of others. But I don't understand how it is a waste of time to help others in this life, even if you disagree with the reason why a person is volunteering/donating?

It's not a waste of time to help people in need. What is a waste of time is thinking that such good deeds are going to get you into a heaven which does not exist.

Everyone already thinks that the lights simply go out for their beloved dogs and cats when they die, but many still think that, after death, they, because they are human and were good during life, are going to live forever with God in heaven.

Not everyone who believes in God believes in heaven or eternal life. Not everyone who does good acts in the name of God think they're doing it for personal salvation.

Google says that "In the Abrahamic faiths of Christianity, Islam, and some schools of Judaism, heaven is a place where good deeds in a previous life are rewarded. Hell is the place where bad behavior is punished."

Are you of another religion?

DP: Google doesn't have a theology degree. To Catholics, for example, the concept of heaven is union with God, and hell is the state of intentionally, knowingly choosing to separate from God eternally. Neither is a specific, physical location. Hell is not a punishment; it's a choice. Also if you are doing a charitable service for reward (earthy or thereafter), that's inconsistent with the faith too.

All of these statements are nuanced, so trying to sum it all up in a one liner is useless.

But when you die, you go to one place or the other, right? For eternity.

It sure sounds like hell is a punishment AND a choice

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Hell is a punishment for your choices. That is what I was taught.

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Anonymous wrote:OP because I want to. It's a free country so far anyway.

Sure go ahead, and also don't denigrate people who don't believe

Problem is people often feel denigrated by facts. That’s a “them” problem.

It's not a them problem. Religious beliefs have caused significant harm to society by fueling conflict and violence (Crusades, acts of terrorism, etc), justifying discrimination (women, LGBTQ+ individuals, and people of different faiths), suppressed scientific advancements (condemnation of Galileo e.g.), and fostered deep social divisions of mistrust and hostility (catholics vs protestants, condemnation of Jews, christians vs muslims). Additionally, believers often try to impose those beliefs whether directly (mandating bibles in schools) or indirectly (anti-abortion views) on others through laws.

It's not a free country when lawmakers try to force their religiously inspired perspective by passing laws that limit personal freedoms.

People wouldn’t care what you think or do if you weren’t trying to take away people’s rights because of your religious beliefs.

I'd still care that some people are religious, because a lot of them are so sure they're right and that non-believers are inferior. If that changes, I won't care as much.

I'll still care, though, because I hate to see people wasting precious time in the only life they have for the false promise of an everlasting life after they die.

NP: How are they wasting time living a life that brings them joy and comfort and way to live a good life? It doesn't have to be the same way as yours to also be a good life for them.

They are wasting time trying to live up to the demands of their "God" expecting heavenly rewards which will not come. Fine if their life brings them joy and comfort. Not fine if they spend the one life they have striving to please an imaginary being

What should they be doing with their life instead that they're not doing? There are many people whose belief in God leads them to donate time and money to help make the world a better place. Religious institutions organize food drives for food pantries, organize volunteer groups at soup kitchens and homeless shelters, plan fundraisers for refugees, and more. Are those activities a waste of time because the people participating are motivated by their belief in God?

Yes, because if you need a belief in god to act like a good person, then you are not a good person.

I do all of those charitable things you mention and then some (except for refugees) and I have never believed in a god.

Thank you for your charitable work. I'm sure that the good you do in the world is appreciated by those who benefit from it, regardless of your motivation.

Also, the bolded didn't really answer the question. I didn't ask if the motivation made someone a good person. I asked if those things are a waste of time, since PP's claim was that religious people waste time trying to live up to God? I don't wholly disagree, since I think there are ways in which people DO waste time, particularly by proselytizing and judging the beliefs of others. But I don't understand how it is a waste of time to help others in this life, even if you disagree with the reason why a person is volunteering/donating?

It's not a waste of time to help people in need. What is a waste of time is thinking that such good deeds are going to get you into a heaven which does not exist.

Everyone already thinks that the lights simply go out for their beloved dogs and cats when they die, but many still think that, after death, they, because they are human and were good during life, are going to live forever with God in heaven.

Not everyone who believes in God believes in heaven or eternal life. Not everyone who does good acts in the name of God think they're doing it for personal salvation.

Google says that "In the Abrahamic faiths of Christianity, Islam, and some schools of Judaism, heaven is a place where good deeds in a previous life are rewarded. Hell is the place where bad behavior is punished."

Are you of another religion?

DP: Google doesn't have a theology degree. To Catholics, for example, the concept of heaven is union with God, and hell is the state of intentionally, knowingly choosing to separate from God eternally. Neither is a specific, physical location. Hell is not a punishment; it's a choice. Also if you are doing a charitable service for reward (earthy or thereafter), that's inconsistent with the faith too.

All of these statements are nuanced, so trying to sum it all up in a one liner is useless.

Do you have a theology degree?

I think pp has a theology degree and is used to people believing whatever they say because they're an expert on theology. Also, they're big on nuance and on the inability to quickly sum things up.

Really, most people are simply taught that heaven is where you go after you die if you've been good.

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Anonymous wrote:OP because I want to. It's a free country so far anyway.

Sure go ahead, and also don't denigrate people who don't believe

Problem is people often feel denigrated by facts. That’s a “them” problem.

It's not a them problem. Religious beliefs have caused significant harm to society by fueling conflict and violence (Crusades, acts of terrorism, etc), justifying discrimination (women, LGBTQ+ individuals, and people of different faiths), suppressed scientific advancements (condemnation of Galileo e.g.), and fostered deep social divisions of mistrust and hostility (catholics vs protestants, condemnation of Jews, christians vs muslims). Additionally, believers often try to impose those beliefs whether directly (mandating bibles in schools) or indirectly (anti-abortion views) on others through laws.

It's not a free country when lawmakers try to force their religiously inspired perspective by passing laws that limit personal freedoms.

People wouldn’t care what you think or do if you weren’t trying to take away people’s rights because of your religious beliefs.

I'd still care that some people are religious, because a lot of them are so sure they're right and that non-believers are inferior. If that changes, I won't care as much.

I'll still care, though, because I hate to see people wasting precious time in the only life they have for the false promise of an everlasting life after they die.

NP: How are they wasting time living a life that brings them joy and comfort and way to live a good life? It doesn't have to be the same way as yours to also be a good life for them.

They are wasting time trying to live up to the demands of their "God" expecting heavenly rewards which will not come. Fine if their life brings them joy and comfort. Not fine if they spend the one life they have striving to please an imaginary being

What should they be doing with their life instead that they're not doing? There are many people whose belief in God leads them to donate time and money to help make the world a better place. Religious institutions organize food drives for food pantries, organize volunteer groups at soup kitchens and homeless shelters, plan fundraisers for refugees, and more. Are those activities a waste of time because the people participating are motivated by their belief in God?

Yes, because if you need a belief in god to act like a good person, then you are not a good person.

I do all of those charitable things you mention and then some (except for refugees) and I have never believed in a god.

Thank you for your charitable work. I'm sure that the good you do in the world is appreciated by those who benefit from it, regardless of your motivation.

Also, the bolded didn't really answer the question. I didn't ask if the motivation made someone a good person. I asked if those things are a waste of time, since PP's claim was that religious people waste time trying to live up to God? I don't wholly disagree, since I think there are ways in which people DO waste time, particularly by proselytizing and judging the beliefs of others. But I don't understand how it is a waste of time to help others in this life, even if you disagree with the reason why a person is volunteering/donating?

It's not a waste of time to help people in need. What is a waste of time is thinking that such good deeds are going to get you into a heaven which does not exist.

Everyone already thinks that the lights simply go out for their beloved dogs and cats when they die, but many still think that, after death, they, because they are human and were good during life, are going to live forever with God in heaven.

Not everyone who believes in God believes in heaven or eternal life. Not everyone who does good acts in the name of God think they're doing it for personal salvation.

Google says that "In the Abrahamic faiths of Christianity, Islam, and some schools of Judaism, heaven is a place where good deeds in a previous life are rewarded. Hell is the place where bad behavior is punished."

Are you of another religion?

DP: Google doesn't have a theology degree. To Catholics, for example, the concept of heaven is union with God, and hell is the state of intentionally, knowingly choosing to separate from God eternally. Neither is a specific, physical location. Hell is not a punishment; it's a choice. Also if you are doing a charitable service for reward (earthy or thereafter), that's inconsistent with the faith too.

All of these statements are nuanced, so trying to sum it all up in a one liner is useless.

I was raised Catholic and never learned that. I learned that Heaven was where you went for eternity if you died without mortal sin (like missing mass) on your soul. Hell was eternal punishment for committing mortal sins, like missing mass.

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Anonymous wrote:OP because I want to. It's a free country so far anyway.

Sure go ahead, and also don't denigrate people who don't believe

Problem is people often feel denigrated by facts. That’s a “them” problem.

It's not a them problem. Religious beliefs have caused significant harm to society by fueling conflict and violence (Crusades, acts of terrorism, etc), justifying discrimination (women, LGBTQ+ individuals, and people of different faiths), suppressed scientific advancements (condemnation of Galileo e.g.), and fostered deep social divisions of mistrust and hostility (catholics vs protestants, condemnation of Jews, christians vs muslims). Additionally, believers often try to impose those beliefs whether directly (mandating bibles in schools) or indirectly (anti-abortion views) on others through laws.

It's not a free country when lawmakers try to force their religiously inspired perspective by passing laws that limit personal freedoms.

People wouldn’t care what you think or do if you weren’t trying to take away people’s rights because of your religious beliefs.

I'd still care that some people are religious, because a lot of them are so sure they're right and that non-believers are inferior. If that changes, I won't care as much.

I'll still care, though, because I hate to see people wasting precious time in the only life they have for the false promise of an everlasting life after they die.

NP: How are they wasting time living a life that brings them joy and comfort and way to live a good life? It doesn't have to be the same way as yours to also be a good life for them.

They are wasting time trying to live up to the demands of their "God" expecting heavenly rewards which will not come. Fine if their life brings them joy and comfort. Not fine if they spend the one life they have striving to please an imaginary being

What should they be doing with their life instead that they're not doing? There are many people whose belief in God leads them to donate time and money to help make the world a better place. Religious institutions organize food drives for food pantries, organize volunteer groups at soup kitchens and homeless shelters, plan fundraisers for refugees, and more. Are those activities a waste of time because the people participating are motivated by their belief in God?

Yes, because if you need a belief in god to act like a good person, then you are not a good person.

I do all of those charitable things you mention and then some (except for refugees) and I have never believed in a god.

Thank you for your charitable work. I'm sure that the good you do in the world is appreciated by those who benefit from it, regardless of your motivation.

Also, the bolded didn't really answer the question. I didn't ask if the motivation made someone a good person. I asked if those things are a waste of time, since PP's claim was that religious people waste time trying to live up to God? I don't wholly disagree, since I think there are ways in which people DO waste time, particularly by proselytizing and judging the beliefs of others. But I don't understand how it is a waste of time to help others in this life, even if you disagree with the reason why a person is volunteering/donating?

It's not a waste of time to help people in need. What is a waste of time is thinking that such good deeds are going to get you into a heaven which does not exist.

Everyone already thinks that the lights simply go out for their beloved dogs and cats when they die, but many still think that, after death, they, because they are human and were good during life, are going to live forever with God in heaven.

Not everyone who believes in God believes in heaven or eternal life. Not everyone who does good acts in the name of God think they're doing it for personal salvation.

Google says that "In the Abrahamic faiths of Christianity, Islam, and some schools of Judaism, heaven is a place where good deeds in a previous life are rewarded. Hell is the place where bad behavior is punished."

Are you of another religion?

DP: Google doesn't have a theology degree. To Catholics, for example, the concept of heaven is union with God, and hell is the state of intentionally, knowingly choosing to separate from God eternally. Neither is a specific, physical location. Hell is not a punishment; it's a choice. Also if you are doing a charitable service for reward (earthy or thereafter), that's inconsistent with the faith too.

All of these statements are nuanced, so trying to sum it all up in a one liner is useless.

I was raised Catholic and never learned that. I learned that Heaven was where you went for eternity if you died without mortal sin (like missing mass) on your soul. Hell was eternal punishment for committing mortal sins, like missing mass.

This is interesting that you were taught that Hell was for mortal sins. I was taught that "any" sin for which I did not seek atonement/redemption/forgiveness was grounds to go to Hell. In theory, something as simple as a white lie that I don't try to redress would send me to Hell for eternity.

Don't forget that approximately one quarter of people who practice Christianity in the US come from an evangelical background.

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Anonymous wrote:OP because I want to. It's a free country so far anyway.

Sure go ahead, and also don't denigrate people who don't believe

Problem is people often feel denigrated by facts. That’s a “them” problem.

It's not a them problem. Religious beliefs have caused significant harm to society by fueling conflict and violence (Crusades, acts of terrorism, etc), justifying discrimination (women, LGBTQ+ individuals, and people of different faiths), suppressed scientific advancements (condemnation of Galileo e.g.), and fostered deep social divisions of mistrust and hostility (catholics vs protestants, condemnation of Jews, christians vs muslims). Additionally, believers often try to impose those beliefs whether directly (mandating bibles in schools) or indirectly (anti-abortion views) on others through laws.

It's not a free country when lawmakers try to force their religiously inspired perspective by passing laws that limit personal freedoms.

People wouldn’t care what you think or do if you weren’t trying to take away people’s rights because of your religious beliefs.

I'd still care that some people are religious, because a lot of them are so sure they're right and that non-believers are inferior. If that changes, I won't care as much.

I'll still care, though, because I hate to see people wasting precious time in the only life they have for the false promise of an everlasting life after they die.

NP: How are they wasting time living a life that brings them joy and comfort and way to live a good life? It doesn't have to be the same way as yours to also be a good life for them.

They are wasting time trying to live up to the demands of their "God" expecting heavenly rewards which will not come. Fine if their life brings them joy and comfort. Not fine if they spend the one life they have striving to please an imaginary being

What should they be doing with their life instead that they're not doing? There are many people whose belief in God leads them to donate time and money to help make the world a better place. Religious institutions organize food drives for food pantries, organize volunteer groups at soup kitchens and homeless shelters, plan fundraisers for refugees, and more. Are those activities a waste of time because the people participating are motivated by their belief in God?

Yes, because if you need a belief in god to act like a good person, then you are not a good person.

I do all of those charitable things you mention and then some (except for refugees) and I have never believed in a god.

Thank you for your charitable work. I'm sure that the good you do in the world is appreciated by those who benefit from it, regardless of your motivation.

Also, the bolded didn't really answer the question. I didn't ask if the motivation made someone a good person. I asked if those things are a waste of time, since PP's claim was that religious people waste time trying to live up to God? I don't wholly disagree, since I think there are ways in which people DO waste time, particularly by proselytizing and judging the beliefs of others. But I don't understand how it is a waste of time to help others in this life, even if you disagree with the reason why a person is volunteering/donating?

It's not a waste of time to help people in need. What is a waste of time is thinking that such good deeds are going to get you into a heaven which does not exist.

Everyone already thinks that the lights simply go out for their beloved dogs and cats when they die, but many still think that, after death, they, because they are human and were good during life, are going to live forever with God in heaven.

Not everyone who believes in God believes in heaven or eternal life. Not everyone who does good acts in the name of God think they're doing it for personal salvation.

Google says that "In the Abrahamic faiths of Christianity, Islam, and some schools of Judaism, heaven is a place where good deeds in a previous life are rewarded. Hell is the place where bad behavior is punished."

Are you of another religion?

DP: Google doesn't have a theology degree. To Catholics, for example, the concept of heaven is union with God, and hell is the state of intentionally, knowingly choosing to separate from God eternally. Neither is a specific, physical location. Hell is not a punishment; it's a choice. Also if you are doing a charitable service for reward (earthy or thereafter), that's inconsistent with the faith too.

All of these statements are nuanced, so trying to sum it all up in a one liner is useless.

I was raised Catholic and never learned that. I learned that Heaven was where you went for eternity if you died without mortal sin (like missing mass) on your soul. Hell was eternal punishment for committing mortal sins, like missing mass.

This is interesting that you were taught that Hell was for mortal sins. I was taught that "any" sin for which I did not seek atonement/redemption/forgiveness was grounds to go to Hell. In theory, something as simple as a white lie that I don't try to redress would send me to Hell for eternity.

Don't forget that approximately one quarter of people who practice Christianity in the US come from an evangelical background.

To be fair, I wasn't paying a ton of attention in church growing up (Missouri Lutheran), but this was also my understanding of hell. Take the Lord's name in vain? Hell! Don't believe in Jesus? Hell! Repenting without really meaning it? Still hell!

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Anonymous wrote:OP because I want to. It's a free country so far anyway.

Sure go ahead, and also don't denigrate people who don't believe

Problem is people often feel denigrated by facts. That’s a “them” problem.

It's not a them problem. Religious beliefs have caused significant harm to society by fueling conflict and violence (Crusades, acts of terrorism, etc), justifying discrimination (women, LGBTQ+ individuals, and people of different faiths), suppressed scientific advancements (condemnation of Galileo e.g.), and fostered deep social divisions of mistrust and hostility (catholics vs protestants, condemnation of Jews, christians vs muslims). Additionally, believers often try to impose those beliefs whether directly (mandating bibles in schools) or indirectly (anti-abortion views) on others through laws.

It's not a free country when lawmakers try to force their religiously inspired perspective by passing laws that limit personal freedoms.

People wouldn’t care what you think or do if you weren’t trying to take away people’s rights because of your religious beliefs.

I'd still care that some people are religious, because a lot of them are so sure they're right and that non-believers are inferior. If that changes, I won't care as much.

I'll still care, though, because I hate to see people wasting precious time in the only life they have for the false promise of an everlasting life after they die.

NP: How are they wasting time living a life that brings them joy and comfort and way to live a good life? It doesn't have to be the same way as yours to also be a good life for them.

They are wasting time trying to live up to the demands of their "God" expecting heavenly rewards which will not come. Fine if their life brings them joy and comfort. Not fine if they spend the one life they have striving to please an imaginary being

What should they be doing with their life instead that they're not doing? There are many people whose belief in God leads them to donate time and money to help make the world a better place. Religious institutions organize food drives for food pantries, organize volunteer groups at soup kitchens and homeless shelters, plan fundraisers for refugees, and more. Are those activities a waste of time because the people participating are motivated by their belief in God?

Yes, because if you need a belief in god to act like a good person, then you are not a good person.

I do all of those charitable things you mention and then some (except for refugees) and I have never believed in a god.

Thank you for your charitable work. I'm sure that the good you do in the world is appreciated by those who benefit from it, regardless of your motivation.

Also, the bolded didn't really answer the question. I didn't ask if the motivation made someone a good person. I asked if those things are a waste of time, since PP's claim was that religious people waste time trying to live up to God? I don't wholly disagree, since I think there are ways in which people DO waste time, particularly by proselytizing and judging the beliefs of others. But I don't understand how it is a waste of time to help others in this life, even if you disagree with the reason why a person is volunteering/donating?

It's not a waste of time to help people in need. What is a waste of time is thinking that such good deeds are going to get you into a heaven which does not exist.

Everyone already thinks that the lights simply go out for their beloved dogs and cats when they die, but many still think that, after death, they, because they are human and were good during life, are going to live forever with God in heaven.

Not everyone who believes in God believes in heaven or eternal life. Not everyone who does good acts in the name of God think they're doing it for personal salvation.

Google says that "In the Abrahamic faiths of Christianity, Islam, and some schools of Judaism, heaven is a place where good deeds in a previous life are rewarded. Hell is the place where bad behavior is punished."

Are you of another religion?

DP: Google doesn't have a theology degree. To Catholics, for example, the concept of heaven is union with God, and hell is the state of intentionally, knowingly choosing to separate from God eternally. Neither is a specific, physical location. Hell is not a punishment; it's a choice. Also if you are doing a charitable service for reward (earthy or thereafter), that's inconsistent with the faith too.

All of these statements are nuanced, so trying to sum it all up in a one liner is useless.

I was raised Catholic and never learned that. I learned that Heaven was where you went for eternity if you died without mortal sin (like missing mass) on your soul. Hell was eternal punishment for committing mortal sins, like missing mass.

This is interesting that you were taught that Hell was for mortal sins. I was taught that "any" sin for which I did not seek atonement/redemption/forgiveness was grounds to go to Hell. In theory, something as simple as a white lie that I don't try to redress would send me to Hell for eternity.

Don't forget that approximately one quarter of people who practice Christianity in the US come from an evangelical background.

To be fair, I wasn't paying a ton of attention in church growing up (Missouri Lutheran), but this was also my understanding of hell. Take the Lord's name in vain? Hell! Don't believe in Jesus? Hell! Repenting without really meaning it? Still hell!

People tend to think of the big sins = murder, adultery. But I had the same understanding. Lying of any kind, envy, pride, dishonoring parents. What kind of pressure does that even put on a child?

My favorite is "sinful" thoughts. I'm not even supposed to think about things, including questioning the very existence of god since its blasphemy.

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Anonymous wrote:OP because I want to. It's a free country so far anyway.

Sure go ahead, and also don't denigrate people who don't believe

Problem is people often feel denigrated by facts. That’s a “them” problem.

It's not a them problem. Religious beliefs have caused significant harm to society by fueling conflict and violence (Crusades, acts of terrorism, etc), justifying discrimination (women, LGBTQ+ individuals, and people of different faiths), suppressed scientific advancements (condemnation of Galileo e.g.), and fostered deep social divisions of mistrust and hostility (catholics vs protestants, condemnation of Jews, christians vs muslims). Additionally, believers often try to impose those beliefs whether directly (mandating bibles in schools) or indirectly (anti-abortion views) on others through laws.

It's not a free country when lawmakers try to force their religiously inspired perspective by passing laws that limit personal freedoms.

People wouldn’t care what you think or do if you weren’t trying to take away people’s rights because of your religious beliefs.

I'd still care that some people are religious, because a lot of them are so sure they're right and that non-believers are inferior. If that changes, I won't care as much.

I'll still care, though, because I hate to see people wasting precious time in the only life they have for the false promise of an everlasting life after they die.

NP: How are they wasting time living a life that brings them joy and comfort and way to live a good life? It doesn't have to be the same way as yours to also be a good life for them.

They are wasting time trying to live up to the demands of their "God" expecting heavenly rewards which will not come. Fine if their life brings them joy and comfort. Not fine if they spend the one life they have striving to please an imaginary being

What should they be doing with their life instead that they're not doing? There are many people whose belief in God leads them to donate time and money to help make the world a better place. Religious institutions organize food drives for food pantries, organize volunteer groups at soup kitchens and homeless shelters, plan fundraisers for refugees, and more. Are those activities a waste of time because the people participating are motivated by their belief in God?

Yes, because if you need a belief in god to act like a good person, then you are not a good person.

I do all of those charitable things you mention and then some (except for refugees) and I have never believed in a god.

Thank you for your charitable work. I'm sure that the good you do in the world is appreciated by those who benefit from it, regardless of your motivation.

Also, the bolded didn't really answer the question. I didn't ask if the motivation made someone a good person. I asked if those things are a waste of time, since PP's claim was that religious people waste time trying to live up to God? I don't wholly disagree, since I think there are ways in which people DO waste time, particularly by proselytizing and judging the beliefs of others. But I don't understand how it is a waste of time to help others in this life, even if you disagree with the reason why a person is volunteering/donating?

It's not a waste of time to help people in need. What is a waste of time is thinking that such good deeds are going to get you into a heaven which does not exist.

Everyone already thinks that the lights simply go out for their beloved dogs and cats when they die, but many still think that, after death, they, because they are human and were good during life, are going to live forever with God in heaven.

Not everyone who believes in God believes in heaven or eternal life. Not everyone who does good acts in the name of God think they're doing it for personal salvation.

Google says that "In the Abrahamic faiths of Christianity, Islam, and some schools of Judaism, heaven is a place where good deeds in a previous life are rewarded. Hell is the place where bad behavior is punished."

Are you of another religion?

DP: Google doesn't have a theology degree. To Catholics, for example, the concept of heaven is union with God, and hell is the state of intentionally, knowingly choosing to separate from God eternally. Neither is a specific, physical location. Hell is not a punishment; it's a choice. Also if you are doing a charitable service for reward (earthy or thereafter), that's inconsistent with the faith too.

All of these statements are nuanced, so trying to sum it all up in a one liner is useless.

I was raised Catholic and never learned that. I learned that Heaven was where you went for eternity if you died without mortal sin (like missing mass) on your soul. Hell was eternal punishment for committing mortal sins, like missing mass.

This is interesting that you were taught that Hell was for mortal sins. I was taught that "any" sin for which I did not seek atonement/redemption/forgiveness was grounds to go to Hell. In theory, something as simple as a white lie that I don't try to redress would send me to Hell for eternity.

Don't forget that approximately one quarter of people who practice Christianity in the US come from an evangelical background.

To be fair, I wasn't paying a ton of attention in church growing up (Missouri Lutheran), but this was also my understanding of hell. Take the Lord's name in vain? Hell! Don't believe in Jesus? Hell! Repenting without really meaning it? Still hell!

People tend to think of the big sins = murder, adultery. But I had the same understanding. Lying of any kind, envy, pride, dishonoring parents. What kind of pressure does that even put on a child?

My favorite is "sinful" thoughts. I'm not even supposed to think about things, including questioning the very existence of god since its blasphemy.

Does this mean that any believers who read through the posts in these forums should repent every time?