Which level kid goes to which schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is a shockingly vivid reminder of how corrupt the entire college admissions process is. Top 10% of a private-school graduating class go to top 5 schools, next 10% go to the next 5... so the top *half* all go to T50 schools?

At my kid's public school, no one goes to any T50 school, not even the top 1% of a graduating class -- kids with perfect grades, 1580-1600 SATs, and course rigor generated in part by dual-enrolling at a local research university and out-performing the actual college students there.

I don't think your kids are smarter or working harder, but *half* of the kids at your kid's school are going to schools that *none* of the kids at my kid's school can even dream of attending. Good work buying your kid's success at the expense, in part, of my kid's success!

Of course, I already knew this was true, but seeing it exemplified so vividly in this discussion is nonetheless shocking.

That’s why it’s important to see your school’s data. It doesn’t matter how good your kid is. They were never going to get to begin with because the schools aren’t looking for kids from that high school.

My kids attend one of these “feeder” privates not in the DMV.
Top 50% generally gets into T25/30. But it’s important to not aim too high if you are close to 35-50%. A WashU/Emory ED strategy is best there.
Whole class absolutely gets into T50.

Agree what previous posters note on ranking. Nothing in counselor report indicates rank which is how these full pay kids get in “below” top 10%. That’s just a silly gimmick anyway.

A good private college counselor with a national presence who has served as an admissions officer can figure a lot of this out for you too with your school’s historic data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is a shockingly vivid reminder of how corrupt the entire college admissions process is. Top 10% of a private-school graduating class go to top 5 schools, next 10% go to the next 5... so the top *half* all go to T50 schools?

At my kid's public school, no one goes to any T50 school, not even the top 1% of a graduating class -- kids with perfect grades, 1580-1600 SATs, and course rigor generated in part by dual-enrolling at a local research university and out-performing the actual college students there.

I don't think your kids are smarter or working harder, but *half* of the kids at your kid's school are going to schools that *none* of the kids at my kid's school can even dream of attending. Good work buying your kid's success at the expense, in part, of my kid's success!

Of course, I already knew this was true, but seeing it exemplified so vividly in this discussion is nonetheless shocking.

Average SAT at our school is 1500. So, I get that the top of the pool does better at our school, but it's a different pool. It was hard to get into it in the first place.

I have a kid who is 50% at our school - with a 1520 SAT - and it pretty much sucks for college stuff. Otherwise, it's been an excellent high school experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is a shockingly vivid reminder of how corrupt the entire college admissions process is. Top 10% of a private-school graduating class go to top 5 schools, next 10% go to the next 5... so the top *half* all go to T50 schools?

At my kid's public school, no one goes to any T50 school, not even the top 1% of a graduating class -- kids with perfect grades, 1580-1600 SATs, and course rigor generated in part by dual-enrolling at a local research university and out-performing the actual college students there.

I don't think your kids are smarter or working harder, but *half* of the kids at your kid's school are going to schools that *none* of the kids at my kid's school can even dream of attending. Good work buying your kid's success at the expense, in part, of my kid's success!

Of course, I already knew this was true, but seeing it exemplified so vividly in this discussion is nonetheless shocking.

Average SAT at our school is 1500. So, I get that the top of the pool does better at our school, but it's a different pool. It was hard to get into it in the first place.

I have a kid who is 50% at our school - with a 1520 SAT - and it pretty much sucks for college stuff. Otherwise, it's been an excellent high school experience.

Exactly. it can be a double edged sword at these feeder privates: hard to stand out when half the school has 1500
+ and are competing against each other in the highest rigor classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is a shockingly vivid reminder of how corrupt the entire college admissions process is. Top 10% of a private-school graduating class go to top 5 schools, next 10% go to the next 5... so the top *half* all go to T50 schools?

At my kid's public school, no one goes to any T50 school, not even the top 1% of a graduating class -- kids with perfect grades, 1580-1600 SATs, and course rigor generated in part by dual-enrolling at a local research university and out-performing the actual college students there.

I don't think your kids are smarter or working harder, but *half* of the kids at your kid's school are going to schools that *none* of the kids at my kid's school can even dream of attending. Good work buying your kid's success at the expense, in part, of my kid's success!

Of course, I already knew this was true, but seeing it exemplified so vividly in this discussion is nonetheless shocking.

Average SAT at our school is 1500. So, I get that the top of the pool does better at our school, but it's a different pool. It was hard to get into it in the first place.

I have a kid who is 50% at our school - with a 1520 SAT - and it pretty much sucks for college stuff. Otherwise, it's been an excellent high school experience.

Exactly. it can be a double edged sword at these feeder privates: hard to stand out when half the school has 1500
+ and are competing against each other in the highest rigor classes.

And a majority of the class are legacies or double legacies at Ivies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Define “mid stats”?

I’m seeing a lot of kids with 1500+ SATs and almost perfect grades headed for Emory/Wash U/Tufts…

How on earth would you know their SAT scores and grades?

Exactly. There is no way they would. I call BS on this post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is a shockingly vivid reminder of how corrupt the entire college admissions process is. Top 10% of a private-school graduating class go to top 5 schools, next 10% go to the next 5... so the top *half* all go to T50 schools?

At my kid's public school, no one goes to any T50 school, not even the top 1% of a graduating class -- kids with perfect grades, 1580-1600 SATs, and course rigor generated in part by dual-enrolling at a local research university and out-performing the actual college students there.

I don't think your kids are smarter or working harder, but *half* of the kids at your kid's school are going to schools that *none* of the kids at my kid's school can even dream of attending. Good work buying your kid's success at the expense, in part, of my kid's success!

Of course, I already knew this was true, but seeing it exemplified so vividly in this discussion is nonetheless shocking.

Average SAT at our school is 1500. So, I get that the top of the pool does better at our school, but it's a different pool. It was hard to get into it in the first place.

I have a kid who is 50% at our school - with a 1520 SAT - and it pretty much sucks for college stuff. Otherwise, it's been an excellent high school experience.

Exactly. it can be a double edged sword at these feeder privates: hard to stand out when half the school has 1500
+ and are competing against each other in the highest rigor classes.

And a majority of the class are legacies or double legacies at Ivies.

Speaking deciles means nothing without accounting for legacies, development, URM, etc. Our school sends many kids every year to Harvard and Stanford, for ex, but the vast majority of these are hooked. Are many of them in the top "decile"? Yes, but not at all. But I can assure you the very top kids in the class who are unhooked are passed over for the most part in favor of the hooked kids. It's especially bad at Harvard and Stanford, but this logic filters down through the other Ivies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Define “mid stats”?

I’m seeing a lot of kids with 1500+ SATs and almost perfect grades headed for Emory/Wash U/Tufts…

How on earth would you know their SAT scores and grades?

Exactly. There is no way they would. I call BS on this post.

We have SAT score by quintile GPA on our school profile.

The SAT and GPA stuff is known data. The unknowns are the unknowns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having had a girl and a boy go through the college admissions process at a private school, I will tell you the girls know a lot more about everyone’s scores, stats, and special hooks. Boys are just not as in the weeds on this stuff and frankly don’t care as much.

So if you are a girl mom and have good Intel, that counts for a lot

++yes indeed they made rank lists and kept track of each others' GPAs plus they edit each other's common app essays in AP LIT in 11th grade after the AP, and go over how to enter GPA, scores, courses into common app. They know everything about each other including ECs. My son knows nothing and his friends do not talk but the girls are starting to pepper him with questions after teachers called him out as high scorer on a few things. I am the one who showed him naviance, where his sister was and how he is definitely near the very top for gpa. He is nonchalant and clueless, probably better that way.

My senior DD and her friends had REA/ED Google sheets /lists for everyone in their privates class - girls updated as info came out with a column for hooks.

It was sooo detailed. With a few hours they know results of who got in where. Feel like it’s so organized! I bet the CCO doesn’t have spreadsheets that up to date.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is a shockingly vivid reminder of how corrupt the entire college admissions process is. Top 10% of a private-school graduating class go to top 5 schools, next 10% go to the next 5... so the top *half* all go to T50 schools?

At my kid's public school, no one goes to any T50 school, not even the top 1% of a graduating class -- kids with perfect grades, 1580-1600 SATs, and course rigor generated in part by dual-enrolling at a local research university and out-performing the actual college students there.

I don't think your kids are smarter or working harder, but *half* of the kids at your kid's school are going to schools that *none* of the kids at my kid's school can even dream of attending. Good work buying your kid's success at the expense, in part, of my kid's success!

Of course, I already knew this was true, but seeing it exemplified so vividly in this discussion is nonetheless shocking.

Average SAT at our school is 1500. So, I get that the top of the pool does better at our school, but it's a different pool. It was hard to get into it in the first place.

I have a kid who is 50% at our school - with a 1520 SAT - and it pretty much sucks for college stuff. Otherwise, it's been an excellent high school experience.

Exactly. it can be a double edged sword at these feeder privates: hard to stand out when half the school has 1500
+ and are competing against each other in the highest rigor classes.

And a majority of the class are legacies or double legacies at Ivies.

Speaking deciles means nothing without accounting for legacies, development, URM, etc. Our school sends many kids every year to Harvard and Stanford, for ex, but the vast majority of these are hooked. Are many of them in the top "decile"? Yes, but not at all. But I can assure you the very top kids in the class who are unhooked are passed over for the most part in favor of the hooked kids. It's especially bad at Harvard and Stanford, but this logic filters down through the other Ivies.

It's now illegal to look at URM status.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Define “mid stats”?

I’m seeing a lot of kids with 1500+ SATs and almost perfect grades headed for Emory/Wash U/Tufts…

How on earth would you know their SAT scores and grades?

Exactly. There is no way they would. I call BS on this post.

We have SAT score by quintile GPA on our school profile.

The SAT and GPA stuff is known data. The unknowns are the unknowns.

Right but how do you know which kid got which SAT score? And GPA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having had a girl and a boy go through the college admissions process at a private school, I will tell you the girls know a lot more about everyone’s scores, stats, and special hooks. Boys are just not as in the weeds on this stuff and frankly don’t care as much.

So if you are a girl mom and have good Intel, that counts for a lot

++yes indeed they made rank lists and kept track of each others' GPAs plus they edit each other's common app essays in AP LIT in 11th grade after the AP, and go over how to enter GPA, scores, courses into common app. They know everything about each other including ECs. My son knows nothing and his friends do not talk but the girls are starting to pepper him with questions after teachers called him out as high scorer on a few things. I am the one who showed him naviance, where his sister was and how he is definitely near the very top for gpa. He is nonchalant and clueless, probably better that way.

My senior DD and her friends had REA/ED Google sheets /lists for everyone in their privates class - girls updated as info came out with a column for hooks.

It was sooo detailed. With a few hours they know results of who got in where. Feel like it’s so organized! I bet the CCO doesn’t have spreadsheets that up to date.

Well that's... odd. Nothing like this in public. Yes, the kids sometimes share their GPA or their SAT score with a few friends, and yes they edit each other's essays, but they are certainly not in a position to know everything about everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is a shockingly vivid reminder of how corrupt the entire college admissions process is. Top 10% of a private-school graduating class go to top 5 schools, next 10% go to the next 5... so the top *half* all go to T50 schools?

At my kid's public school, no one goes to any T50 school, not even the top 1% of a graduating class -- kids with perfect grades, 1580-1600 SATs, and course rigor generated in part by dual-enrolling at a local research university and out-performing the actual college students there.

I don't think your kids are smarter or working harder, but *half* of the kids at your kid's school are going to schools that *none* of the kids at my kid's school can even dream of attending. Good work buying your kid's success at the expense, in part, of my kid's success!

Of course, I already knew this was true, but seeing it exemplified so vividly in this discussion is nonetheless shocking.

Average SAT at our school is 1500. So, I get that the top of the pool does better at our school, but it's a different pool. It was hard to get into it in the first place.

I have a kid who is 50% at our school - with a 1520 SAT - and it pretty much sucks for college stuff. Otherwise, it's been an excellent high school experience.

Exactly. it can be a double edged sword at these feeder privates: hard to stand out when half the school has 1500
+ and are competing against each other in the highest rigor classes.

And a majority of the class are legacies or double legacies at Ivies.

Speaking deciles means nothing without accounting for legacies, development, URM, etc. Our school sends many kids every year to Harvard and Stanford, for ex, but the vast majority of these are hooked. Are many of them in the top "decile"? Yes, but not at all. But I can assure you the very top kids in the class who are unhooked are passed over for the most part in favor of the hooked kids. It's especially bad at Harvard and Stanford, but this logic filters down through the other Ivies.

Same. Looking at Naviance, the average accepted GPA for Harvard, Yale, MIT, Stanford and Penn is actually lower than for Duke and Georgetown. Those schools each take 1 absolute superstar, then fill 2 -3 more spots with athletes, URM or connected kids. (This is a selective public, so development cases are rare). The superstars who aren't picked out of the pack by HYP for whatever reason usually slide easily into GU, Duke, or Cornell.

[Anonymous]

because HYPSM dont really are about 3.96 vs 3.92. they know that can be one German teacher grading tougher than one French teacher. they care what you did outside of school on top of school stuff

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having had a girl and a boy go through the college admissions process at a private school, I will tell you the girls know a lot more about everyone’s scores, stats, and special hooks. Boys are just not as in the weeds on this stuff and frankly don’t care as much.

So if you are a girl mom and have good Intel, that counts for a lot

++yes indeed they made rank lists and kept track of each others' GPAs plus they edit each other's common app essays in AP LIT in 11th grade after the AP, and go over how to enter GPA, scores, courses into common app. They know everything about each other including ECs. My son knows nothing and his friends do not talk but the girls are starting to pepper him with questions after teachers called him out as high scorer on a few things. I am the one who showed him naviance, where his sister was and how he is definitely near the very top for gpa. He is nonchalant and clueless, probably better that way.

My senior DD and her friends had REA/ED Google sheets /lists for everyone in their privates class - girls updated as info came out with a column for hooks.

It was sooo detailed. With a few hours they know results of who got in where. Feel like it’s so organized! I bet the CCO doesn’t have spreadsheets that up to date.

That’s not healthy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is a shockingly vivid reminder of how corrupt the entire college admissions process is. Top 10% of a private-school graduating class go to top 5 schools, next 10% go to the next 5... so the top *half* all go to T50 schools?

At my kid's public school, no one goes to any T50 school, not even the top 1% of a graduating class -- kids with perfect grades, 1580-1600 SATs, and course rigor generated in part by dual-enrolling at a local research university and out-performing the actual college students there.

I don't think your kids are smarter or working harder, but *half* of the kids at your kid's school are going to schools that *none* of the kids at my kid's school can even dream of attending. Good work buying your kid's success at the expense, in part, of my kid's success!

Of course, I already knew this was true, but seeing it exemplified so vividly in this discussion is nonetheless shocking.

Average SAT at our school is 1500. So, I get that the top of the pool does better at our school, but it's a different pool. It was hard to get into it in the first place.

I have a kid who is 50% at our school - with a 1520 SAT - and it pretty much sucks for college stuff. Otherwise, it's been an excellent high school experience.

Exactly. it can be a double edged sword at these feeder privates: hard to stand out when half the school has 1500
+ and are competing against each other in the highest rigor classes.

And a majority of the class are legacies or double legacies at Ivies.

Speaking deciles means nothing without accounting for legacies, development, URM, etc. Our school sends many kids every year to Harvard and Stanford, for ex, but the vast majority of these are hooked. Are many of them in the top "decile"? Yes, but not at all. But I can assure you the very top kids in the class who are unhooked are passed over for the most part in favor of the hooked kids. It's especially bad at Harvard and Stanford, but this logic filters down through the other Ivies.

It's now illegal to look at URM status.

That has loopholes bigger than the Great Lakes. The "community" essay about the impact of racism on your life, videos, Black Student Union clubs, etc. are all proxies for the same thing.