DC NMSFs 2025

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is disgraceful. I can only hope all of these latest posters are in middle school. (although that is a bit of an insult to middle schoolers…)

They are parents who likely do not have kids at JR and possibly don’t even have HS age kids yet. It’s all a psychodrama about their anxiety about their perceived lost entitlement to whatever education they feel they got as kids but their own kids do not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:JR and TJ are almost exactly the same size schools.

JR: 1 NMSF
TJ: 81 NMSF

So…you admit TJ is superior to every school around here, including all Big3 schools, right?

81 is 20% of the class…that crushes everyone.

You understand that DC is not even allotted 81 spots, right? VA gets almost 400.

I assume it is proportional to population, no? Also, are you claiming there are other DC kids with the appropriate score that are not NMSFs because of a spot cutoff?

The larger point is that if people are going to measure the worth of any school based on the percentage of any one school having NMSF, then you have to concede TJ crushes everyone.

Strange that the only comparison being made is an elite application magnet in a suburb to a DCPS comprehensive public school. Let’s be fair and compare that school to all DMV school.

[Anonymous]

If I were a JR parent, I'd be outraged and advocating for new leadership. These kids lost out on valuable scholarship opportunities!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:JR and TJ are almost exactly the same size schools.

JR: 1 NMSF
TJ: 81 NMSF

So…you admit TJ is superior to every school around here, including all Big3 schools, right?

81 is 20% of the class…that crushes everyone.

Doesn't crush other DMV schools, sheesh. More than 40% of the Blair magnet class earned NMSF and more that 20% at Richard Montgomery. The fair comparisons are the DMV magnets and sorry, TJ is not the best performer any more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If I were a JR parent, I'd be outraged and advocating for new leadership. These kids lost out on valuable scholarship opportunities!

I agree with this. There are schools that offer full scholarships based on NMSF and NMF. Only 1 student in such a large class at DC's best public school is unacceptable. No excuse for not preparing those students better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:JR and TJ are almost exactly the same size schools.

JR: 1 NMSF
TJ: 81 NMSF

So…you admit TJ is superior to every school around here, including all Big3 schools, right?

81 is 20% of the class…that crushes everyone.

You understand that DC is not even allotted 81 spots, right? VA gets almost 400.

I assume it is proportional to population, no? Also, are you claiming there are other DC kids with the appropriate score that are not NMSFs because of a spot cutoff?

The larger point is that if people are going to measure the worth of any school based on the percentage of any one school having NMSF, then you have to concede TJ crushes everyone.

Strange that the only comparison being made is an elite application magnet in a suburb to a DCPS comprehensive public school. Let’s be fair and compare that school to all DMV school.

The question here isn’t whether TJ “crushes.” Obviously it does: it is a highly selective school that draws on a very large UMC application pool in a state with a much bigger allocation of finalists. The question is whether the whining PPs on here actually have kids that could get into TJ. My strong suspicion is no, they do not. Their beef here is that their children are not getting what they believe they are entitled to, which is a zone HS with only “high performing” kidw that will automatically launch Larlo to where he belongs in the T20.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If I were a JR parent, I'd be outraged and advocating for new leadership. These kids lost out on valuable scholarship opportunities!

I agree with this. There are schools that offer full scholarships based on NMSF and NMF. Only 1 student in such a large class at DC's best public school is unacceptable. No excuse for not preparing those students better.

I think what’s actually going on is that the student/parent base at JR doesn’t prioritize NMSF (because it doesn’t actually get that much anymore) and also that some NMSF students do peel off for Walls, privates or moved prior to HS. By any reasonable metric JR is a high school with great results for college bound kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This list is a reprisal of the 16 student fall 2020 virtual Deal 8th grade Algebra 2 class. One is at JR. The rest left for greener pastures.

I don’t think fall 2000 is representative of anything….

Oh sorry, I misunderstood. You’re saying that the JR class of 2025 lost its brightest kids due to virtual. That makes sense.

Yup. the Hardy/Deal Algebra 2 classes are essentially where a good chunk DCPS kids west of rock creek who'll get into an ivy on academic merit end up. 2020-2022 was not good in J/R. Also this is a good feeder into Walls.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If I were a JR parent, I'd be outraged and advocating for new leadership. These kids lost out on valuable scholarship opportunities!

I agree with this. There are schools that offer full scholarships based on NMSF and NMF. Only 1 student in such a large class at DC's best public school is unacceptable. No excuse for not preparing those students better.

I think what’s actually going on is that the student/parent base at JR doesn’t prioritize NMSF (because it doesn’t actually get that much anymore) and also that some NMSF students do peel off for Walls, privates or moved prior to HS. By any reasonable metric JR is a high school with great results for college bound kids.

Or rather, DCPS does a good time making sure those smart kids get into Walls.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If I were a JR parent, I'd be outraged and advocating for new leadership. These kids lost out on valuable scholarship opportunities!

I agree with this. There are schools that offer full scholarships based on NMSF and NMF. Only 1 student in such a large class at DC's best public school is unacceptable. No excuse for not preparing those students better.

There are a tiny number of schools offering full scholarship for NMSF and I don’t think anyone in the DMV actually has become a NMF in recent memory. Honestly, most kids that are NMSF don’t want to attend the schools that give a scholarship for NMSFs. So, the point is meaningless.

There are a bunch of schools that offer need-based FA to anyone accepted. Plenty of JR kids are going to those schools…so not sure why the NMSF is so important to you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if more schools will start offering summer PSAT prep programs. Seems like Banneker, McKinley Tech, BASIS, Latin, DCI, Truth, etc. would have a group of students who, with more prep, could have a shot at NMSF. It would be a good investment for the schools in that it could get them more publicity and applicants...a virtuous cycle.

Getting NMSF in DC (with the highest cut-off in the nation) means performing at the level of a 1590-1600 SAT.

If you can get a bunch of kids at these DC schools to that level with "more prep" then you will accomplish what educators in America have never been able to do and you will make the national news.

Exactly.

And this whole JR conversation is crazy. At minimum, it is the perspective of a couple of people who clearly are still burned up about covid policies AND have a very narrow view of the population of successful students at JR.

First, the idea that the 15 or whatever kids in the eighth grade Algebra 2 class are all of the “academic superstars” is ridiculous, for a million reasons, not least of which is that many kids who could go the hyper-accelerated math route choose not to. Many parents (me, I’m one of these parents) don’t think it’s the best way to do math instruction and that Calc BC in 11th grade is plenty accelerated.

Second, the fact that only one JR kid happened to score an essentially perfect PSAT score on a single test given on a single day is not an indictment of the rest of the class. Get a grip, people. If it had been three kids (which is what I think it was last year), would that have mattered materially? If a bunch of kids missed the cut off by one point, does that matter?

This is like yelling into the wind, but it’s crazy that a couple of people with tired, old bones to pick and very narrow perspectives are taken as authorities on the quality of JR’s student body.

The truth is the quality of JR’s body has absolutely gone down hill if you are talking about high performing kids. The trend has been lots more of these families are not tracking to JR with the advent of honors for all and dumbing down even more the curriculum.

Common knowledge and you seem to be in complete denial of it.

The J-R cohort that my kid hangs out with are incredibly smart; no different than the peers of my older DC who graduated a few years ago.

Your anecdotal experience does not dispute the fact that the percentage of high performing kids at a school with the highest concentration of UMC and UC families in the city is small.

Stats don’t lie and why for the size of the school, only 1 kid made it. Also look at SAT averages.

Gosh these type of PPs are tiresome. We get it, your family is better than all of ours. If you’re so great move to Virginia and your kid can go to TJ; or to MD and get them into the Blair magnet.

Huh. Confused. If your kid can get into TJ, they'd probably get into walls. Why move?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:JR and TJ are almost exactly the same size schools.

JR: 1 NMSF
TJ: 81 NMSF

So…you admit TJ is superior to every school around here, including all Big3 schools, right?

81 is 20% of the class…that crushes everyone.

You understand that DC is not even allotted 81 spots, right? VA gets almost 400.

I assume it is proportional to population, no? Also, are you claiming there are other DC kids with the appropriate score that are not NMSFs because of a spot cutoff?

The larger point is that if people are going to measure the worth of any school based on the percentage of any one school having NMSF, then you have to concede TJ crushes everyone.

Strange that the only comparison being made is an elite application magnet in a suburb to a DCPS comprehensive public school. Let’s be fair and compare that school to all DMV school.

The question here isn’t whether TJ “crushes.” Obviously it does: it is a highly selective school that draws on a very large UMC application pool in a state with a much bigger allocation of finalists. The question is whether the whining PPs on here actually have kids that could get into TJ. My strong suspicion is no, they do not. Their beef here is that their children are not getting what they believe they are entitled to, which is a zone HS with only “high performing” kidw that will automatically launch Larlo to where he belongs in the T20.

Certainly JR isn’t Whitman or Langley…the demographics are dramatically different.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If I were a JR parent, I'd be outraged and advocating for new leadership. These kids lost out on valuable scholarship opportunities!

I agree with this. There are schools that offer full scholarships based on NMSF and NMF. Only 1 student in such a large class at DC's best public school is unacceptable. No excuse for not preparing those students better.

There are a tiny number of schools offering full scholarship for NMSF and I don’t think anyone in the DMV actually has become a NMF in recent memory. Honestly, most kids that are NMSF don’t want to attend the schools that give a scholarship for NMSFs. So, the point is meaningless.

There are a bunch of schools that offer need-based FA to anyone accepted. Plenty of JR kids are going to those schools…so not sure why the NMSF is so important to you.

Exactly. NMSF is not a financial aid strategy for most JR families.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:JR and TJ are almost exactly the same size schools.

JR: 1 NMSF
TJ: 81 NMSF

So…you admit TJ is superior to every school around here, including all Big3 schools, right?

81 is 20% of the class…that crushes everyone.

You understand that DC is not even allotted 81 spots, right? VA gets almost 400.

I assume it is proportional to population, no? Also, are you claiming there are other DC kids with the appropriate score that are not NMSFs because of a spot cutoff?

The larger point is that if people are going to measure the worth of any school based on the percentage of any one school having NMSF, then you have to concede TJ crushes everyone.

Strange that the only comparison being made is an elite application magnet in a suburb to a DCPS comprehensive public school. Let’s be fair and compare that school to all DMV school.

Go read the many threads explaining how DC is determined instead of just guessing. There is no point in comparing DC to any other state. It's not awarded the same way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:JR and TJ are almost exactly the same size schools.

JR: 1 NMSF
TJ: 81 NMSF

So…you admit TJ is superior to every school around here, including all Big3 schools, right?

81 is 20% of the class…that crushes everyone.

You understand that DC is not even allotted 81 spots, right? VA gets almost 400.

I assume it is proportional to population, no? Also, are you claiming there are other DC kids with the appropriate score that are not NMSFs because of a spot cutoff?

The larger point is that if people are going to measure the worth of any school based on the percentage of any one school having NMSF, then you have to concede TJ crushes everyone.

Strange that the only comparison being made is an elite application magnet in a suburb to a DCPS comprehensive public school. Let’s be fair and compare that school to all DMV school.

Go read the many threads explaining how DC is determined instead of just guessing. There is no point in comparing DC to any other state. It's not awarded the same way.

I get you have to have the highest score of any state…but anyone that obtains that score is a NMSF.

What am I missing?