The Dad Privilege Checklist

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Anonymous wrote:Is this the new replacement for the mommy wars? Now we can talk about how “household labor inequality is abuse”?


If you think the conversation about an unequal division of labor in households is "new" then welcome to society from the rock you've been living under.


No, it’s the new replacement for the divisive mommy wars. But just like the mommy wars between WOHM and SAHM, so many of these complaints come back to choices. Women can now make more choices about working/staying home, which is the point of feminism, and they can also make choices about what they do for their household and how things are shared with their partner. And of course, they can make choices about who they marry or partner with.

Make your own choices. Make better choices.



No, that wasn't the point of feminism. The point of feminism was to get equal financial footing, including equal pay. It had zero to do with making a "choice" between working and staying home. This is a popular misconception/appropriation of what the women's liberation movement was about.


Nope, it was choices. Your understanding is why some women who work disparage some who don’t because the ones who don’t are letting down other women by not pursuing a career.

It’s messed up.
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Anonymous wrote:I was a long time SAHM who now works part time. I agree that this does a fair amount to decrease resentment. The problem for us started when the kids were no longer babies/toddlers and my work became less “visible” to him. That is when lists like this are useful because not only did he not do most of those things, it didn’t even occur to him they were being done. And he was very guilty of comparing rare tasks to common tasks like they are equal. Like when a woman complains she always makes dinner and a man responds “well I do the taxes.” Like those have equal annual time commitments.


+1. This is like the "dead animal" thing above. How often does the task need to be completed? Cooking dinner everyday takes let's say 365 hours per year. Cleaning a dead animal from the yard is a very unpleasant task, to be sure, but it happens once every 5 years? And takes little time to do. You do the taxes? OK, that takes what a couple hours once a year? And meanwhile the other partner is handling laundry which is done daily in our house. It doesn't compare.
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Anonymous wrote:Is this the new replacement for the mommy wars? Now we can talk about how “household labor inequality is abuse”?


If you think the conversation about an unequal division of labor in households is "new" then welcome to society from the rock you've been living under.


No, it’s the new replacement for the divisive mommy wars. But just like the mommy wars between WOHM and SAHM, so many of these complaints come back to choices. Women can now make more choices about working/staying home, which is the point of feminism, and they can also make choices about what they do for their household and how things are shared with their partner. And of course, they can make choices about who they marry or partner with.

Make your own choices. Make better choices.



No, that wasn't the point of feminism. The point of feminism was to get equal financial footing, including equal pay. It had zero to do with making a "choice" between working and staying home. This is a popular misconception/appropriation of what the women's liberation movement was about.


Nope, it was choices. Your understanding is why some women who work disparage some who don’t because the ones who don’t are letting down other women by not pursuing a career.

It’s messed up.


No, darling. I have a degree in women's studies. It wasn't about "choices." It was about economic empowerment. This notion that was about "choices" is revisionist thinking by entitled women who have no idea what the struggle was like, let alone any understanding of what the movement was about.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is this the new replacement for the mommy wars? Now we can talk about how “household labor inequality is abuse”?


If you think the conversation about an unequal division of labor in households is "new" then welcome to society from the rock you've been living under.


No, it’s the new replacement for the divisive mommy wars. But just like the mommy wars between WOHM and SAHM, so many of these complaints come back to choices. Women can now make more choices about working/staying home, which is the point of feminism, and they can also make choices about what they do for their household and how things are shared with their partner. And of course, they can make choices about who they marry or partner with.

Make your own choices. Make better choices.



No, that wasn't the point of feminism. The point of feminism was to get equal financial footing, including equal pay. It had zero to do with making a "choice" between working and staying home. This is a popular misconception/appropriation of what the women's liberation movement was about.


Nope, it was choices. Your understanding is why some women who work disparage some who don’t because the ones who don’t are letting down other women by not pursuing a career.

It’s messed up.


No, darling. I have a degree in women's studies. It wasn't about "choices." It was about economic empowerment. This notion that was about "choices" is revisionist thinking by entitled women who have no idea what the struggle was like, let alone any understanding of what the movement was about.


Wait, you have a degree in womens studies and are calling me "darling"?



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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, all of this is made easier if mom stays home with the children and dad makes more money to compensate. I know it’s an unpopular sentiment, but most women would feel much less resentment if they dropped work to focus their efforts (when the children are young) on raising them and let their DH work harder to cover the bills.


The problem with this is once upon a time when women stayed home, they viewed their role as "homemaker" and that job description included everything: Care for children, keep the house clean and orderly, fix the meals.

Today's young women define this role as "SAHM" with the emphasis on the "M." They think their duty is only to look after the children during the hours that their husband is working or commuting but that he should immediately step in for 50% on all of the other tasks. They bristle at the "homemaker" label -- basically they are invested in intensive mothering; so, basically, they want to be a nanny or governess to their own children. The rest of the duties that used to be embedded in the role are beneath them and either need to be outsourced or shared equally.


Uh, women did all the childcare and housework 24/7 (including physically caring for their husbands like they were children -- cooking for them, cleaning them, washing their clothes, running their errands, even bathing and grooming them sometimes) because they were oppressed, had no economic power and no political rights, and were viewed as the property of their fathers and husbands. Not because the really "embraced the role" of homemaker. But because if they failed to perform the role, their husbands might abandon them and they were not allowed to do most jobs or own property or have bank accounts, plus rape wasn't even illegal except as a violation of another man's property rights so they'd be very vulnerable.

The good old days. When women would cook and clean and tend to children all day, and then the second their husbands came home, tend to him while continuing to cook and clean until bedtime, while their husbands with "real jobs" replaced after a hard day of work.

Yeah, it's so weird that women today are not eager to return to that set up, I wonder why.



But ... they want a "shell" of that that set-up. They only want the intensive mothering bit. Which is insanely easy. Easiest job ever. So, really, they're just lazy. The ones who continue to do this when their children are in elementary school are the laziest of them all. It would be different if they embraced the actual job description of a homemaker.


But men want the whole set up. They want to go to work and then come home and do nothing. Men expect this whether their wives work outside the home or not. Whether the kids are toddlers or teens. They do not believe that the work of childcare outside their working hours should be evenly divided. EVEN if both people worked all day (whether that work was for pay or unpaid wiping of butts and preparing snacks and all that).

Women who have husbands with this attitude (which is most husbands) are stuck. If they work, they will still be expected to do the majority of childcare/housework outside of work hours. Sometimes this is justified by "I make more money" or "my job is harder" or "I work longer hours." But usually not.

On the other hand, if they SAHM, they may have more time to do all the tasks they will be expected to do anyway. But they are expected to work 24/7, because men like you think being a SAHM is easy. You don't understand what is so hard about childcare that she can't also keep the house perfectly tidy and do all the administrative stuff too. What's she doing all day? No really, you have no idea, having never cared for kids full time. What IS she doing all day? So even if she spends the entire day working, you still expect her to do the vast majority of the after-work childcare/household responsibilities because, after all, she doesn't have a "real job" like you (nevermind if your job actually involves a lot of sitting, downtime, and socializing with colleagues and clients, things that could easily be called easy when compared to the hardest parts of what even a SAHM of school age kids does).

Which is why the only "solution" anyone has ever found to this is outsourcing a lot of the childcare and housework so that the couple can divide what is left. But most families can't afford that.

Is there ANY situation in which you actually believe that a man should do 50% (or more!) of the childcare/housework/household admin? I bet no. That's women's work.
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Anonymous wrote:The article would be better if there were a list of things that women don’t have to worry about.



Cleaning the gutters? I mean, as long as she can call someone else to do it.

Otherwise, go ahead and list them.


Never worry about the grass getting cut

Never has to discuss whether the tires need to be rotated

Never gives actors sound in the car a 2nd thought

Doesn’t know the vets name or even where they are

Never worry about lightbulbs

Never need to replace a light switch or ceiling fan

Don’t worry about the kids learning an instrument since he teaches them that

Don’t need to talk sorta (though I can but not to the level they care to)

Never edited a paper

Mousetraps

Never even need to understand how to trim a tree

Have no clue what indigenous plants are

Never split wood

Never started a fire

Don’t clean cars

Never grilled anything ever

No clue what days the trash goes to the curb

No idea how to get large trash pickups

Never made coffee


I could obviously learn or do all these but I don’t need to


In what universe do only men edit papers? How bizarre.

And I am a woman and I do most of these things. The point is that incompetence is never attractive. Imagine not knowing how to do a large trash pickup, when trash day is, etc.


DP. I've never met a man who cared if his wife could handle a large trash pickup or clean out a mousetrap. I've known plenty of women who could, probably most, but I've never sat around with my dad friends wondering why our wives aren't the ones cleaning up dead animals around the house.


How often does dead animals appear around your house? I am the wife and I take care of the trash and the dead animals ( we have cats!)

And men don't talk about wives! Most don't really care about how women are faring as long as the keep women don't "nag" or complain about anything!


I'm not sure how a wife would know this, but I can assure you it's not true. My dad friends and I talk about our wives all the time.


You do know I am not just talking about you and your little man friends. You also missed my second part which is they talk about them to complain about them!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is this the new replacement for the mommy wars? Now we can talk about how “household labor inequality is abuse”?


If you think the conversation about an unequal division of labor in households is "new" then welcome to society from the rock you've been living under.


No, it’s the new replacement for the divisive mommy wars. But just like the mommy wars between WOHM and SAHM, so many of these complaints come back to choices. Women can now make more choices about working/staying home, which is the point of feminism, and they can also make choices about what they do for their household and how things are shared with their partner. And of course, they can make choices about who they marry or partner with.

Make your own choices. Make better choices.



No, that wasn't the point of feminism. The point of feminism was to get equal financial footing, including equal pay. It had zero to do with making a "choice" between working and staying home. This is a popular misconception/appropriation of what the women's liberation movement was about.


Nope, it was choices. Your understanding is why some women who work disparage some who don’t because the ones who don’t are letting down other women by not pursuing a career.

It’s messed up.


No, darling. I have a degree in women's studies. It wasn't about "choices." It was about economic empowerment. This notion that was about "choices" is revisionist thinking by entitled women who have no idea what the struggle was like, let alone any understanding of what the movement was about.


Wait, you have a degree in womens studies and are calling me "darling"?





Yes. But I'm glad you're keeping up, hun.
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My husband does everything on that list. Where do I go to pick up my prize?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, all of this is made easier if mom stays home with the children and dad makes more money to compensate. I know it’s an unpopular sentiment, but most women would feel much less resentment if they dropped work to focus their efforts (when the children are young) on raising them and let their DH work harder to cover the bills.


The problem with this is once upon a time when women stayed home, they viewed their role as "homemaker" and that job description included everything: Care for children, keep the house clean and orderly, fix the meals.

Today's young women define this role as "SAHM" with the emphasis on the "M." They think their duty is only to look after the children during the hours that their husband is working or commuting but that he should immediately step in for 50% on all of the other tasks. They bristle at the "homemaker" label -- basically they are invested in intensive mothering; so, basically, they want to be a nanny or governess to their own children. The rest of the duties that used to be embedded in the role are beneath them and either need to be outsourced or shared equally.


Uh, women did all the childcare and housework 24/7 (including physically caring for their husbands like they were children -- cooking for them, cleaning them, washing their clothes, running their errands, even bathing and grooming them sometimes) because they were oppressed, had no economic power and no political rights, and were viewed as the property of their fathers and husbands. Not because the really "embraced the role" of homemaker. But because if they failed to perform the role, their husbands might abandon them and they were not allowed to do most jobs or own property or have bank accounts, plus rape wasn't even illegal except as a violation of another man's property rights so they'd be very vulnerable.

The good old days. When women would cook and clean and tend to children all day, and then the second their husbands came home, tend to him while continuing to cook and clean until bedtime, while their husbands with "real jobs" replaced after a hard day of work.

Yeah, it's so weird that women today are not eager to return to that set up, I wonder why.



But ... they want a "shell" of that that set-up. They only want the intensive mothering bit. Which is insanely easy. Easiest job ever. So, really, they're just lazy. The ones who continue to do this when their children are in elementary school are the laziest of them all. It would be different if they embraced the actual job description of a homemaker.


But men want the whole set up. They want to go to work and then come home and do nothing. Men expect this whether their wives work outside the home or not. Whether the kids are toddlers or teens. They do not believe that the work of childcare outside their working hours should be evenly divided. EVEN if both people worked all day (whether that work was for pay or unpaid wiping of butts and preparing snacks and all that).

Women who have husbands with this attitude (which is most husbands) are stuck. If they work, they will still be expected to do the majority of childcare/housework outside of work hours. Sometimes this is justified by "I make more money" or "my job is harder" or "I work longer hours." But usually not.

On the other hand, if they SAHM, they may have more time to do all the tasks they will be expected to do anyway. But they are expected to work 24/7, because men like you think being a SAHM is easy. You don't understand what is so hard about childcare that she can't also keep the house perfectly tidy and do all the administrative stuff too. What's she doing all day? No really, you have no idea, having never cared for kids full time. What IS she doing all day? So even if she spends the entire day working, you still expect her to do the vast majority of the after-work childcare/household responsibilities because, after all, she doesn't have a "real job" like you (nevermind if your job actually involves a lot of sitting, downtime, and socializing with colleagues and clients, things that could easily be called easy when compared to the hardest parts of what even a SAHM of school age kids does).

Which is why the only "solution" anyone has ever found to this is outsourcing a lot of the childcare and housework so that the couple can divide what is left. But most families can't afford that.

Is there ANY situation in which you actually believe that a man should do 50% (or more!) of the childcare/housework/household admin? I bet no. That's women's work.


Well said pp!
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Anonymous wrote:Find it here: https://zawn.substack.com/p/the-dad-privilege-checklist

Please read the checklist and return for a conversation about it. I want to hear from others about their own experiences with coparenting their children with the children's dad.



Honestly, this is trope stacked on top of trope and is really some lazy thinking by someone heavily invested in martyred mothering (just note the name of the substack -- "Liberating Motherhood" -- this thing comes at this with an axe to grind and part of the business model is to stoke outrage; it's not dissimilar from right-wing news media like Fox or Newsmax in that regard.) The article itself incredibly lazy thinking that borrows the language of liberation theology for cynical purposes, and I'm going to hazard a guess that the "checklist" is just a crowdsourced list of grievances from women with a similar mindset. In other words, I don't think the author has any original thoughts on the matter.

This is not to say some individual items on the list aren't valid phenomena -- I have definitely been approached by women at the playground when I was out with my toddlers and praised for being a great dad and giving mom a "break," for example, but I've also been approached by women keen on "helping" me because they assumed by these women to be incompetent because I have a penis). So, this isn't really dad "privilege" so much as it is a recounting of various stereotypes that are harmful to both women AND men. It's kind of like the dumb, clueless dad trope you used to see in advertising (and thankfully don't see so much anymore, that ridiculous car commercial where the dad gets the wrong binky notwithstanding).

So, I'm not going to say "not all men." I'm going to say "hardly any men" fit this list of "privilege." (Another co-opted term intended to provoke a response, natch).

Let's just look at the first two:

I know that someone else will register my children for school.

I know that someone else will know the signs of developmental disabilities and mental health issues in my children.


I guess we're assume that these things are exclusively the mom's domain? But I don't think that's true in any family I know of. I will say that same as women are known to approach dads at playgrounds and either praise or offer to help them, schools similarly default to contacting the mom, nevermind the fact that most dads are perfectly competent and capable caregivers.

I know of NO families where the presence of developmental disabilities or mental health issues are unilateral concerns for just mom.

The third one on the list about giving birth was first the clue to me that this was a crowdsourced list -- it's just dripping with contempt and doesn't make sense.

The next two:

My partner will be judged for my parenting shortcomings.

I don’t have to worry about school supplies because someone else will do it for me.


I guess it's true that men, in general, don't give a shit what other people think so wouldn't fret about being "judged." That's not "privilege," however. That's just a case of having self-confidence. To the degree women have more insecurities and worry about what other people think, that's a woman problem (and probably an individual one), not some broader indictment of men; everyone should carry on without caring what other people think, much less caring if someone else is "judging."

The school supplies thing is just stupid -- we always did back-to-school shopping as a family and there were plenty of dads doing the same when we were at Staples or whatever.

The men I know make doctors appointments and take their kids to doctors. They cook. They plan birthday parties (granted, these birthday parties might not be the elaborate affairs some martyr moms might feel like they need to have so they don't feel judged, but that, again, is a woman problem, it's not "dad privilege."). They plan trips and pack their children for them. They chaperone school field trips. In fact, they do most of these things on this list except things they're physically incapable of, such as giving birth or breastfeeding. But they do, in fact, pick up the slack when their partners DO those physical things, the contemptuous tone of the bulleted list items notwithstanding.

So, I guess what I'm saying is I dispute the very premise of the article. I understand it was written to try to rile up women feeling resentful about things. But objectively, the insinuation that men don't do the things on this (ridiculously long, crow-sourced list) is unsupported by facts, except for some things that might fall more into the bucket of "emotional labor," which takes us back to those conversations since, at the end of the day, there are some things some moms care a lot more about than most dads -- and most of those are grounded in <checks notes> fear of "being judged" or other anxieties that men, generally, don't have.

Is not having that anxiety "dad privilege?" I suppose you could make the case. But, honestly, moms didn't have that anxiety for most millennia. If the supposition here is that men should start caring about these things that give moms anxiety (fear of being judged...) that's arguably stupid. Misery loves company, sure... But maybe, just maybe, women should take a page from the attitude most dads have and stop obsessing so much about things that don't matter in the long run.











+1,000 to this guy.

I work FT and am a very involved dad, and always have been. So were my dad, and my FIL.

My wife works PT, and does more than half, but less than 2/3 of family logistical management.

I do all grocery shopping and 90% of the cooking.

Many of you are complaining, essentially, that the judgment from society surrrounding parenting and child outcomes falls primarily on mom. There is truth to that.

You’re ignoring that, likewise, the judgment for the family’s earning and financial situation falls primarily on dad. When people think “it’s too bad they aren’t able to stay in a fancier hotel at Disney World, or travel to Europe for Spring Break, or send four kids to private colleges,” they’re wondering why dad doesn’t earn more. Not mom. So enjoy your “mom privilege.”

Ultimately, only we can decide for ourselves wise will individually adopt this guilt as our own burdens. My wife and I decided long ago that we would not, and we’re a lot happier for it. Highly recommend anyone who wants to submit such lists to substack instead try to find the same peace and confidence.



I have literally never heard anyone ever wonder why a dad isn’t earning more or say any version of anything you quoted. It’s really hard to believe this has happened to you more than once if at all. Or you hang out with total jerks.

What I do hear constantly is women who are judged as being bad moms for working AND other moms who are judged for being lazy because the SAH. Every choice a mom makes is fair game for judgement. You have no idea what you are talking about.


You don’t think that Dads who stay home don’t get judged as lazy? I sure have news for you.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly, all of this is made easier if mom stays home with the children and dad makes more money to compensate. I know it’s an unpopular sentiment, but most women would feel much less resentment if they dropped work to focus their efforts (when the children are young) on raising them and let their DH work harder to cover the bills.


The problem with this is once upon a time when women stayed home, they viewed their role as "homemaker" and that job description included everything: Care for children, keep the house clean and orderly, fix the meals.

Today's young women define this role as "SAHM" with the emphasis on the "M." They think their duty is only to look after the children during the hours that their husband is working or commuting but that he should immediately step in for 50% on all of the other tasks. They bristle at the "homemaker" label -- basically they are invested in intensive mothering; so, basically, they want to be a nanny or governess to their own children. The rest of the duties that used to be embedded in the role are beneath them and either need to be outsourced or shared equally.


Uh, women did all the childcare and housework 24/7 (including physically caring for their husbands like they were children -- cooking for them, cleaning them, washing their clothes, running their errands, even bathing and grooming them sometimes) because they were oppressed, had no economic power and no political rights, and were viewed as the property of their fathers and husbands. Not because the really "embraced the role" of homemaker. But because if they failed to perform the role, their husbands might abandon them and they were not allowed to do most jobs or own property or have bank accounts, plus rape wasn't even illegal except as a violation of another man's property rights so they'd be very vulnerable.

The good old days. When women would cook and clean and tend to children all day, and then the second their husbands came home, tend to him while continuing to cook and clean until bedtime, while their husbands with "real jobs" replaced after a hard day of work.

Yeah, it's so weird that women today are not eager to return to that set up, I wonder why.



But ... they want a "shell" of that that set-up. They only want the intensive mothering bit. Which is insanely easy. Easiest job ever. So, really, they're just lazy. The ones who continue to do this when their children are in elementary school are the laziest of them all. It would be different if they embraced the actual job description of a homemaker.


Maybe some women are like this but I am more of a traditional SAHM. When my kids went to full time school, my husband started making noises about my going back to work. When I asked how we would re-divide the labor if I did that, he told me he would online order our groceries. That was it. Which made it perfectly clear that he thinks that is 1/2 of what I did for the family. I knew right then and there that going back full-time was off the table. I do work about 18 hours a week now, and its manageable most of the time, but he still bristles if I need him to do something unexpected like run a kid to the ortho for a broken bracket. To which I reply, that if he wants someone to handle literally everything again, then I need to quit my PT job.
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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, all of this is made easier if mom stays home with the children and dad makes more money to compensate. I know it’s an unpopular sentiment, but most women would feel much less resentment if they dropped work to focus their efforts (when the children are young) on raising them and let their DH work harder to cover the bills.


So you think the only function women should have once they become mothers is to solely focus on being a mom? Why is that fair? Women have talents, skills and brains that society can benefit from! Why can Dads be dads and also productive members of society!

You do know the story of Japan? Women are choosing not to become mothers because of the unequal treatment of women! I am not encouraging my dds to become mothers! If the population dies out so be it.

I’m saying that mothers would be much happier if the focused solely on being moms when their children are young. They very well may have talents/brain/skills society can benefit from, but the discussion about happiness and purpose are two separate ones. The vast majority of career women have jobs, not careers, and it is ironic that women supporting feminism parrot the incredulous lie that working 45 hours per week as Regional Sales Manager to Management is worth more to women than being home with their child. It is certainly worth more to your company that you spend those hours click-clacking on your laptop, but it won’t make you happier. I think the female resentment is symptomatic that some women are waking up like “what the hell am I doing, getting sucked dry for $35/hr?” but the market absolutely cannot allow her to consider quitting so - quick! - blame her DH and they can fight about who cleans gutters so that no one stops and says “wait, who is actually getting all our time?”
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I am sure that the MRA boards also have long lists of all the ways that women have it easy and how they are the problem and don't do everything men do.

I have about as much time for these lists as for a misogynistic list. The anti-the other sex view isn't one I share or encounter often at all.

Are there some useless men and women - of course. There are pathetic excuses for parents, spouses, and humans overall. Men and women.

That list isn't reflective at all of the men I know - colleagues, family, friends, or acquaintances.
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Anonymous wrote:The article would be better if there were a list of things that women don’t have to worry about.



Cleaning the gutters? I mean, as long as she can call someone else to do it.

Otherwise, go ahead and list them.


Never worry about the grass getting cut

Never has to discuss whether the tires need to be rotated

Never gives actors sound in the car a 2nd thought

Doesn’t know the vets name or even where they are

Never worry about lightbulbs

Never need to replace a light switch or ceiling fan

Don’t worry about the kids learning an instrument since he teaches them that

Don’t need to talk sorta (though I can but not to the level they care to)

Never edited a paper

Mousetraps

Never even need to understand how to trim a tree

Have no clue what indigenous plants are

Never split wood

Never started a fire

Don’t clean cars

Never grilled anything ever

No clue what days the trash goes to the curb

No idea how to get large trash pickups

Never made coffee


I could obviously learn or do all these but I don’t need to


I do all of these things, as well as all the things in the original post. I do it all.
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where can i sign up for these privledges
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