Eliot-Hine

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Anonymous wrote:I think its very hard to get a 5 on math if your school never teaches level 5 material. ELA is different — reading lots outside of school easily helps a lot there.

Focus should be on 4s, not 5s.

Depends on your goals, I guess. If you’ve got a 5 student, it’s important to find somewhere with a big enough group of them that they can really learn.

If the point of the thread is overall evaluating and comparing if a school outcomes and teaching of grade level material, focus on 4s. 5s aren't common at most schools and generally represent top 96th to 97th percentile overall

I have a kid who reads and tests 3 grade levels above and was 95th percentile on PARCC and still got a 4.

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Anonymous wrote:I think its very hard to get a 5 on math if your school never teaches level 5 material. ELA is different — reading lots outside of school easily helps a lot there.

Focus should be on 4s, not 5s.

Depends on your goals, I guess. If you’ve got a 5 student, it’s important to find somewhere with a big enough group of them that they can really learn.

If the point of the thread is overall evaluating and comparing if a school outcomes and teaching of grade level material, focus on 4s. 5s aren't common at most schools and generally represent top 96th to 97th percentile overall

I have a kid who reads and tests 3 grade levels above and was 95th percentile on PARCC and still got a 4.

If this is in ELA, could be that writing is weak.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think its very hard to get a 5 on math if your school never teaches level 5 material. ELA is different — reading lots outside of school easily helps a lot there.

Sure but that’s why it’s important to look at that. Some DCPS schools and charters do have actual tracking in math and offer above grade level math to students who are capable. In this town there are a good contingent of kids.

Some off the top of my head are NW schools, Basis, DCI

[Anonymous]

OP here. If you look at the white subscores, EH kids actually do as well or better than any other MS including Latin, Deal etc. I hate making this argument because it sounds so privileged and like I don’t care about black kids. But it firmly dispels the notion that kids “are not learning.”

And to me, the more interesting stat is PARCC 3s. Those are solid kids doing well despite a lot of possible disadvantages. They’re bright kids engaged in learning.

I’m not sure what more I have to contribute to this thread except my original post, which is “PARCC scores do not reflect my kid’s overall experience.” I’d just really encourage parents to consider whether your perceptions are fear and anxiety based, or whether you can try something unfamiliar to your own educational background. The kids are alright, I promise!

[Anonymous]

My observation having sent kids both to HRCS where 5s were rare and to public schools where a significant portion of the class got 5s.

My kids barely got 4s at their HRCS. We were told 5s were extremely rare and we shoved be comfortable with 4s and school could explain why there were only one or two 5s in the entire class by saying they didn’t “teach to the test.” Parents were told the best way to learn to read and write was to “be exposed to books” with no formal instruction on either. Most parents seemed to buy that, and you see this repeated on DCUM. I had one with severe test anxiety because he heard repeatedly from teachers how awful testing would be and how his scores didn’t matter (and then when taking the test, the material was completely over his head bc he had never been taught much of it).

After moving to a new school, my kids achieved high 5s on both math and ELA. So did about 30-40% of their peers. I would expect this among UMC DC families. How many of you on DCUM were not performing above grade level when you were in school? “Grade level” is, and always has been, a minimum expectation for non-SN kids. Not an aspiration. At the new school, there was what I would consider a reasonable amount of focus on test-taking strategies. But most of the focus was teaching content that would appear on parcc. The most striking example to me is how to structure a paragraph and how to write a 5-paragraph essay. Those are life skills that are (rightly) tested on parcc but were never taught at the hRCS. The school amped the kids up for testing -so they were excited about parcc day (free day after the test! Treats!). and celebrated their results. My kid’s test anxiety disappeared completely and now they are telling me they can’t wait for cape - they are the most fun days at school.

I would strongly prefer the latter experience for my kid. You may disagree. But if you hear a school say they don’t “teach to the test” I advise you ask a lot of questions. It might mean they don’t spend a lot of time on test taking strategies (which, I agree, can be taken too far if that is all they are learning). But it is more likely to mean they are not teaching the content that is tested on parcc/cape. If that is the case you should ask about what they are teaching instead (often the answer will be something about SEL, not anything academic) and think long and hard if you are ok with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. If you look at the white subscores, EH kids actually do as well or better than any other MS including Latin, Deal etc. I hate making this argument because it sounds so privileged and like I don’t care about black kids. But it firmly dispels the notion that kids “are not learning.”

And to me, the more interesting stat is PARCC 3s. Those are solid kids doing well despite a lot of possible disadvantages. They’re bright kids engaged in learning.

I’m not sure what more I have to contribute to this thread except my original post, which is “PARCC scores do not reflect my kid’s overall experience.” I’d just really encourage parents to consider whether your perceptions are fear and anxiety based, or whether you can try something unfamiliar to your own educational background. The kids are alright, I promise!

Sure but where are these white kids going to go to high school?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. If you look at the white subscores, EH kids actually do as well or better than any other MS including Latin, Deal etc. I hate making this argument because it sounds so privileged and like I don’t care about black kids. But it firmly dispels the notion that kids “are not learning.”

And to me, the more interesting stat is PARCC 3s. Those are solid kids doing well despite a lot of possible disadvantages. They’re bright kids engaged in learning.

I’m not sure what more I have to contribute to this thread except my original post, which is “PARCC scores do not reflect my kid’s overall experience.” I’d just really encourage parents to consider whether your perceptions are fear and anxiety based, or whether you can try something unfamiliar to your own educational background. The kids are alright, I promise!

First, while kids are absolutely not doing “better” at EH than other schools on the PARCC. You constantly make things up in this thread and it’s tiresome.

Second, the only white kids I know at Elliot Hine are doing a lot of outside supplementing because the curriculum is weak.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. If you look at the white subscores, EH kids actually do as well or better than any other MS including Latin, Deal etc. I hate making this argument because it sounds so privileged and like I don’t care about black kids. But it firmly dispels the notion that kids “are not learning.”

And to me, the more interesting stat is PARCC 3s. Those are solid kids doing well despite a lot of possible disadvantages. They’re bright kids engaged in learning.

I’m not sure what more I have to contribute to this thread except my original post, which is “PARCC scores do not reflect my kid’s overall experience.” I’d just really encourage parents to consider whether your perceptions are fear and anxiety based, or whether you can try something unfamiliar to your own educational background. The kids are alright, I promise!

First, while kids are absolutely not doing “better” at EH than other schools on the PARCC. You constantly make things up in this thread and it’s tiresome.

Second, the only white kids I know at Elliot Hine are doing a lot of outside supplementing because the curriculum is weak.

This back and forth is tiring. Nobody on here who claims to know all the things or all the people at a given school actually does. The families I know there (including my own) are there by choice , not because we struck out elsewhere , and are not supplementing. My guess is best case scenario this is an example of peoples social circle being people who think like them, and reinforcing their views. Worst case scenario is that people intentionally come on here to cut people down and make stuff up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. If you look at the white subscores, EH kids actually do as well or better than any other MS including Latin, Deal etc. I hate making this argument because it sounds so privileged and like I don’t care about black kids. But it firmly dispels the notion that kids “are not learning.”

And to me, the more interesting stat is PARCC 3s. Those are solid kids doing well despite a lot of possible disadvantages. They’re bright kids engaged in learning.

I’m not sure what more I have to contribute to this thread except my original post, which is “PARCC scores do not reflect my kid’s overall experience.” I’d just really encourage parents to consider whether your perceptions are fear and anxiety based, or whether you can try something unfamiliar to your own educational background. The kids are alright, I promise!

First, while kids are absolutely not doing “better” at EH than other schools on the PARCC. You constantly make things up in this thread and it’s tiresome.

Second, the only white kids I know at Elliot Hine are doing a lot of outside supplementing because the curriculum is weak.

This back and forth is tiring. Nobody on here who claims to know all the things or all the people at a given school actually does. The families I know there (including my own) are there by choice , not because we struck out elsewhere , and are not supplementing. My guess is best case scenario this is an example of peoples social circle being people who think like them, and reinforcing their views. Worst case scenario is that people intentionally come on here to cut people down and make stuff up.

Sorry but if you actually are choosing EH and not supplementing then you either are an outlier or your kid is just an average 50% kind of kid.

This is an anonymous board and people can post anything but there is no way any kid is doing well and performing above grade level without supplementing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. If you look at the white subscores, EH kids actually do as well or better than any other MS including Latin, Deal etc. I hate making this argument because it sounds so privileged and like I don’t care about black kids. But it firmly dispels the notion that kids “are not learning.”

And to me, the more interesting stat is PARCC 3s. Those are solid kids doing well despite a lot of possible disadvantages. They’re bright kids engaged in learning.

I’m not sure what more I have to contribute to this thread except my original post, which is “PARCC scores do not reflect my kid’s overall experience.” I’d just really encourage parents to consider whether your perceptions are fear and anxiety based, or whether you can try something unfamiliar to your own educational background. The kids are alright, I promise!

First, while kids are absolutely not doing “better” at EH than other schools on the PARCC. You constantly make things up in this thread and it’s tiresome.

Second, the only white kids I know at Elliot Hine are doing a lot of outside supplementing because the curriculum is weak.

This back and forth is tiring. Nobody on here who claims to know all the things or all the people at a given school actually does. The families I know there (including my own) are there by choice , not because we struck out elsewhere , and are not supplementing. My guess is best case scenario this is an example of peoples social circle being people who think like them, and reinforcing their views. Worst case scenario is that people intentionally come on here to cut people down and make stuff up.

Sorry but if you actually are choosing EH and not supplementing then you either are an outlier or your kid is just an average 50% kind of kid.

This is an anonymous board and people can post anything but there is no way any kid is doing well and performing above grade level without supplementing.

Nobody needs to defend themselves on an anonymous board, but this post sort of proves my point. Who from outside of a school (which I assume you are, if incorrect I apologize) feels the need to comment on or actually knows what they are talking about with regards to any school except the one they are enrolled at? And then even at that, I would argue parents at any school can't and don't know the decisions and life choices of all families even at the school they are at. Your close few friends, sure - but it would be a strange habit of conversation to survey everybody you met at a school about these things. And by that same logic yes, I can only speak to the families I know well whose kids are doing well and don't supplement. I really can't tell the motivation behind these assumptions, it is almost like people who made other choices need to validate their own by putting families down. We have a system of choice. People use it. That should be the end of the conversation.
Now get out and enjoy a beautiful Sunday!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. If you look at the white subscores, EH kids actually do as well or better than any other MS including Latin, Deal etc. I hate making this argument because it sounds so privileged and like I don’t care about black kids. But it firmly dispels the notion that kids “are not learning.”

And to me, the more interesting stat is PARCC 3s. Those are solid kids doing well despite a lot of possible disadvantages. They’re bright kids engaged in learning.

I’m not sure what more I have to contribute to this thread except my original post, which is “PARCC scores do not reflect my kid’s overall experience.” I’d just really encourage parents to consider whether your perceptions are fear and anxiety based, or whether you can try something unfamiliar to your own educational background. The kids are alright, I promise!

First, while kids are absolutely not doing “better” at EH than other schools on the PARCC. You constantly make things up in this thread and it’s tiresome.

Second, the only white kids I know at Elliot Hine are doing a lot of outside supplementing because the curriculum is weak.

This back and forth is tiring. Nobody on here who claims to know all the things or all the people at a given school actually does. The families I know there (including my own) are there by choice , not because we struck out elsewhere , and are not supplementing. My guess is best case scenario this is an example of peoples social circle being people who think like them, and reinforcing their views. Worst case scenario is that people intentionally come on here to cut people down and make stuff up.

Sorry but if you actually are choosing EH and not supplementing then you either are an outlier or your kid is just an average 50% kind of kid.

This is an anonymous board and people can post anything but there is no way any kid is doing well and performing above grade level without supplementing.

Nobody needs to defend themselves on an anonymous board, but this post sort of proves my point. Who from outside of a school (which I assume you are, if incorrect I apologize) feels the need to comment on or actually knows what they are talking about with regards to any school except the one they are enrolled at? And then even at that, I would argue parents at any school can't and don't know the decisions and life choices of all families even at the school they are at. Your close few friends, sure - but it would be a strange habit of conversation to survey everybody you met at a school about these things. And by that same logic yes, I can only speak to the families I know well whose kids are doing well and don't supplement. I really can't tell the motivation behind these assumptions, it is almost like people who made other choices need to validate their own by putting families down. We have a system of choice. People use it. That should be the end of the conversation.
Now get out and enjoy a beautiful Sunday!

OP, no offense, but your original post and everything you have posted after it is basically selfish propaganda. You claim that you have no problem with the fact that the vast majority of the kids at EH are well below grade level, but you are here on a board that skews UMC try-hards trying to convince people to send their above grade level kids to EH. And you’re doing it by lying about objective data.

We do have a system of choice. And people should make informed choices. Stop trying to manipulate them into choosing a academically weak school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. If you look at the white subscores, EH kids actually do as well or better than any other MS including Latin, Deal etc. I hate making this argument because it sounds so privileged and like I don’t care about black kids. But it firmly dispels the notion that kids “are not learning.”

And to me, the more interesting stat is PARCC 3s. Those are solid kids doing well despite a lot of possible disadvantages. They’re bright kids engaged in learning.

I’m not sure what more I have to contribute to this thread except my original post, which is “PARCC scores do not reflect my kid’s overall experience.” I’d just really encourage parents to consider whether your perceptions are fear and anxiety based, or whether you can try something unfamiliar to your own educational background. The kids are alright, I promise!

Sure but where are these white kids going to go to high school?

based on what I know (small selection) - Ellington, Banneker, Gonzaga, other privates.

[Anonymous]

If you have an academically bright child, EH at least appears to have a small cohort of similarly situated peers. Lots of DC middle schools cannot even offer that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. If you look at the white subscores, EH kids actually do as well or better than any other MS including Latin, Deal etc. I hate making this argument because it sounds so privileged and like I don’t care about black kids. But it firmly dispels the notion that kids “are not learning.”

And to me, the more interesting stat is PARCC 3s. Those are solid kids doing well despite a lot of possible disadvantages. They’re bright kids engaged in learning.

I’m not sure what more I have to contribute to this thread except my original post, which is “PARCC scores do not reflect my kid’s overall experience.” I’d just really encourage parents to consider whether your perceptions are fear and anxiety based, or whether you can try something unfamiliar to your own educational background. The kids are alright, I promise!

I appreciate your comment, but as a mother to non-white kids, it’s not true that “the kids are alright”. Our kids count too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you have an academically bright child, EH at least appears to have a small cohort of similarly situated peers. Lots of DC middle schools cannot even offer that.

Please show how you came to that conclusion, particularly relating to other dc middle schools.