Churchill Rd Elementary in VA ?? Help!

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Anonymous wrote:The Langley folks keeping all the poor kids out of their pyramid and then still worrying about whether the Gen Ed kids are misbehaving makes one want to put in a very large order for very small violins.

Well off kids can still misbehave, in fact it can make it worse.

Agreed 100%.

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Anonymous wrote:The Langley folks keeping all the poor kids out of their pyramid and then still worrying about whether the Gen Ed kids are misbehaving makes one want to put in a very large order for very small violins.

The pyramid is unaffordable because many people with means want in. It's economics. If you try to make it more equitable by rezoning or some other scheme, what do you think will happen?

These people who suggest that Langley keeps out the poors just aren’t familiar with the area. Churchill is the closest elementary to Langley. If you drive by Langley or Churchill, you will find single family homes that are expensive. Churchill has nowhere to get these poors. Kings Manor is probably the most affordable housing in Churchill/Langley but they are still around $1m.

Churchill Road boundaries could extend across 123 to apartments in McLean; Langley boundaries could scope in parts of Tysons and Reston now at other ES.

But given how some Churchill Road families complain about some of the Gen Ed kids from the wealthy families there, one can only speculate as to how they'd react to Gen Ed kids from apartments.

You're advocating for gerrymandering the boundaries in order to increase equity, but you don't or can't think of the logical implications. The only result is going to be that if the school quality starts to drop, it will keep dropping as more educated/wealthy will jump ship to private.

Likewise, you need to reflect only for a moment to recognize that these schools didn't become top pyramids overnight. It's not like the wealthy conspired to descend on an already-amazing school and then further conspired to keep everyone else out. They MADE the school what it is by choosing it (over time). The teachers choose to work their because the students are smart and well-behaved (mostly). New wealthy folks want to live and send their kids there because others do...

You're full of crap and offer theory while ignoring historical facts.

If Churchill Road/Langley parents would bolt for privates just because their 2-3% FARMS schools had, say, one-third of the economic diversity of a typical FCPS elementary or high school, let them flee.

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Anonymous wrote:The Langley folks keeping all the poor kids out of their pyramid and then still worrying about whether the Gen Ed kids are misbehaving makes one want to put in a very large order for very small violins.

The pyramid is unaffordable because many people with means want in. It's economics. If you try to make it more equitable by rezoning or some other scheme, what do you think will happen?

These people who suggest that Langley keeps out the poors just aren’t familiar with the area. Churchill is the closest elementary to Langley. If you drive by Langley or Churchill, you will find single family homes that are expensive. Churchill has nowhere to get these poors. Kings Manor is probably the most affordable housing in Churchill/Langley but they are still around $1m.

Churchill Road boundaries could extend across 123 to apartments in McLean; Langley boundaries could scope in parts of Tysons and Reston now at other ES.

But given how some Churchill Road families complain about some of the Gen Ed kids from the wealthy families there, one can only speculate as to how they'd react to Gen Ed kids from apartments.

You're advocating for gerrymandering the boundaries in order to increase equity, but you don't or can't think of the logical implications. The only result is going to be that if the school quality starts to drop, it will keep dropping as more educated/wealthy will jump ship to private.

Likewise, you need to reflect only for a moment to recognize that these schools didn't become top pyramids overnight. It's not like the wealthy conspired to descend on an already-amazing school and then further conspired to keep everyone else out. They MADE the school what it is by choosing it (over time). The teachers choose to work their because the students are smart and well-behaved (mostly). New wealthy folks want to live and send their kids there because others do...

You're full of crap and offer theory while ignoring historical facts.

If Churchill Road/Langley parents would bolt for privates just because their 2-3% FARMS schools had, say, one-third of the economic diversity of a typical FCPS elementary or high school, let them flee.

Sure but then the rezoning is pointless and FCPS loses funding.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted before that there are disruptions in my child’s class. My child is still learning and is a total sponge. My child has many friends and is a happy well adjusted child. School has many after school programs that my child participated in. A few things offered are cooking, tumbling, chess club, pottery, tumbling, theater, science Olympiad and I’m sure I am missing some.

What about gender-weirdness and wokeism at Churchill Road?

Anyone who uses those terms should just homeschool or go to a conservative Christian school.

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Anonymous wrote:The Langley folks keeping all the poor kids out of their pyramid and then still worrying about whether the Gen Ed kids are misbehaving makes one want to put in a very large order for very small violins.

The pyramid is unaffordable because many people with means want in. It's economics. If you try to make it more equitable by rezoning or some other scheme, what do you think will happen?

These people who suggest that Langley keeps out the poors just aren’t familiar with the area. Churchill is the closest elementary to Langley. If you drive by Langley or Churchill, you will find single family homes that are expensive. Churchill has nowhere to get these poors. Kings Manor is probably the most affordable housing in Churchill/Langley but they are still around $1m.

Churchill Road boundaries could extend across 123 to apartments in McLean; Langley boundaries could scope in parts of Tysons and Reston now at other ES.

But given how some Churchill Road families complain about some of the Gen Ed kids from the wealthy families there, one can only speculate as to how they'd react to Gen Ed kids from apartments.

You're advocating for gerrymandering the boundaries in order to increase equity, but you don't or can't think of the logical implications. The only result is going to be that if the school quality starts to drop, it will keep dropping as more educated/wealthy will jump ship to private.

Likewise, you need to reflect only for a moment to recognize that these schools didn't become top pyramids overnight. It's not like the wealthy conspired to descend on an already-amazing school and then further conspired to keep everyone else out. They MADE the school what it is by choosing it (over time). The teachers choose to work their because the students are smart and well-behaved (mostly). New wealthy folks want to live and send their kids there because others do...

You're full of crap and offer theory while ignoring historical facts.

If Churchill Road/Langley parents would bolt for privates just because their 2-3% FARMS schools had, say, one-third of the economic diversity of a typical FCPS elementary or high school, let them flee.

Sure but then the rezoning is pointless and FCPS loses funding.

Being held hostage by people who think their presence and tax dollars is always the top priority is not a strategy; it's an excuse.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted before that there are disruptions in my child’s class. My child is still learning and is a total sponge. My child has many friends and is a happy well adjusted child. School has many after school programs that my child participated in. A few things offered are cooking, tumbling, chess club, pottery, tumbling, theater, science Olympiad and I’m sure I am missing some.

What about gender-weirdness and wokeism at Churchill Road?

Anyone who uses those terms should just homeschool or go to a conservative Christian school.

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Anonymous wrote:Churchill Road is the local Level IV center for the AAP program.

Definitely a reason to avoid. Center schools are the worst.

Why? Be honest.

They usually attract the families most motivated to get their kids into AAP, thus it’s more competitive. Then they tend to have at least half the classes from grade 3-6 as AAP, which creates a culture of AAP vs. non-AAP students, even though there is very little difference in the curriculum between them. (I’m a Churchill Road parent so I don’t dislike the school, but that’s the common belief about center schools). If your kid gets into AAP, it’s great. If they don’t, it’s still fine but they might feel bad about it.

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I would add, there is very little difference in both the curriculum, AND the abilities of the two groups of students. Separating the vast middle is just nonsense.

I have heard that the non AAP classes are full of disruptive kids. I have seen many families switch to private if kid does not get into AAP.

At a school like Churchill Road, there are not many disruptive kids and the disruptive kids who do go there are just as likely to be in AAP as not.

What you’ve “heard” just sounds like the typical bias that exists among some families hellbent to get their own kids into AAP.

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Plenty of troublemakers in AAP too. So bizarre that parents assume there won't be.

How is it bizarre? I assume people say this because it is true in their experience and the experience of others. Hence why so many clamor to get into AAP.

It's bizarre to assume that just because a 2nd grader scores well on a certain test, they are going to be perfectly behaved. There are lots of behavioral issues in AAP - kids who throw tantrums because they're perfectionists and things aren't going *just so* for them, kids who are know-it-alls and can't stand to be told they're wrong, etc. I had one child in GE and one in AAP and there were most definitely behavioral issues in both classes.

Who assumes that? We're talking about probability. It's clear that there are much more behavioral issues ON AVERAGE in gen ed than AAP. Which is not surprising because smarter children come from better educated homes and also tend to be more self-regulated--tons and tons of research to support that.

This just made me laugh. Out loud. Any school in this pyramid will be full of well-educated parents and smart children. That means that these children make up both AAP AND Gen Ed classes. It's not as if the AAP classes have kids from well-educated parents, but somehow the Gen Ed classes do not. Nope. The kids are all the same - regardless of AAP/Gen Ed status. It is beyond humorous that you're actually claiming one group is better behaved than the other.

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Anonymous wrote:Churchill Road is the local Level IV center for the AAP program.

Definitely a reason to avoid. Center schools are the worst.

Why? Be honest.

They usually attract the families most motivated to get their kids into AAP, thus it’s more competitive. Then they tend to have at least half the classes from grade 3-6 as AAP, which creates a culture of AAP vs. non-AAP students, even though there is very little difference in the curriculum between them. (I’m a Churchill Road parent so I don’t dislike the school, but that’s the common belief about center schools). If your kid gets into AAP, it’s great. If they don’t, it’s still fine but they might feel bad about it.

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I would add, there is very little difference in both the curriculum, AND the abilities of the two groups of students. Separating the vast middle is just nonsense.

I have heard that the non AAP classes are full of disruptive kids. I have seen many families switch to private if kid does not get into AAP.

At a school like Churchill Road, there are not many disruptive kids and the disruptive kids who do go there are just as likely to be in AAP as not.

What you’ve “heard” just sounds like the typical bias that exists among some families hellbent to get their own kids into AAP.

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Plenty of troublemakers in AAP too. So bizarre that parents assume there won't be.

How is it bizarre? I assume people say this because it is true in their experience and the experience of others. Hence why so many clamor to get into AAP.

It's bizarre to assume that just because a 2nd grader scores well on a certain test, they are going to be perfectly behaved. There are lots of behavioral issues in AAP - kids who throw tantrums because they're perfectionists and things aren't going *just so* for them, kids who are know-it-alls and can't stand to be told they're wrong, etc. I had one child in GE and one in AAP and there were most definitely behavioral issues in both classes.

Who assumes that? We're talking about probability. It's clear that there are much more behavioral issues ON AVERAGE in gen ed than AAP. Which is not surprising because smarter children come from better educated homes and also tend to be more self-regulated--tons and tons of research to support that.

Please post the toms and tons of research that support your assertion that well educated parents have better behaved children.

Are you joking? Do you actually doubt that this is true? I am a researcher in this area and we regularly control for parent SES when looking at relations between behavioral regulation and other things because it's a known correlate.

Search Google Scholar yourself. Research exploring the connection between SES and behavioral regulation is a field unto itself.

You are the one pushing this assertion. Please provide the links.

I'm not "pushing an assertion". I'm making an empirical claim that is backed up by decades of data. I don't have provide citations to prove that to you. Do the search and enlighten yourself.

You are doubting that children from more educated homes tend to be more self-regulated, which is so patently absurd that I can only assume you don't know anything about child development. There will always be exceptions, but there are clear patterns that anyone with their eyes open will observe.

DP - sure, but we're talking about ONE school here, in which all the parents are well-educated/affluent. That means that ALL the children in this school come from very similar, high-achieving homes - regardless of whether they are in an AAP or GenEd class. The very same kinds of kids are in BOTH. This goes for any of the feeder schools in this pyramid and no doubt, several other FCPS pyramids.

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Anonymous wrote:Pp again. I am not sure if higher SES kids are necessarily better behaved but they certainly test better and have higher performance at school.

Self-regulation is correlated with school achievement, and SES is correlated with both. Again, tons and tons of research on this.

Which all of these schools have. There is no difference between the behavior of Gen Ed and AAP students in this pyramid.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:Churchill Road is the local Level IV center for the AAP program.

Definitely a reason to avoid. Center schools are the worst.

Why? Be honest.

They usually attract the families most motivated to get their kids into AAP, thus it’s more competitive. Then they tend to have at least half the classes from grade 3-6 as AAP, which creates a culture of AAP vs. non-AAP students, even though there is very little difference in the curriculum between them. (I’m a Churchill Road parent so I don’t dislike the school, but that’s the common belief about center schools). If your kid gets into AAP, it’s great. If they don’t, it’s still fine but they might feel bad about it.

+1
I would add, there is very little difference in both the curriculum, AND the abilities of the two groups of students. Separating the vast middle is just nonsense.

I have heard that the non AAP classes are full of disruptive kids. I have seen many families switch to private if kid does not get into AAP.

At a school like Churchill Road, there are not many disruptive kids and the disruptive kids who do go there are just as likely to be in AAP as not.

What you’ve “heard” just sounds like the typical bias that exists among some families hellbent to get their own kids into AAP.

+1
Plenty of troublemakers in AAP too. So bizarre that parents assume there won't be.

How is it bizarre? I assume people say this because it is true in their experience and the experience of others. Hence why so many clamor to get into AAP.

It's bizarre to assume that just because a 2nd grader scores well on a certain test, they are going to be perfectly behaved. There are lots of behavioral issues in AAP - kids who throw tantrums because they're perfectionists and things aren't going *just so* for them, kids who are know-it-alls and can't stand to be told they're wrong, etc. I had one child in GE and one in AAP and there were most definitely behavioral issues in both classes.

Who assumes that? We're talking about probability. It's clear that there are much more behavioral issues ON AVERAGE in gen ed than AAP. Which is not surprising because smarter children come from better educated homes and also tend to be more self-regulated--tons and tons of research to support that.

This just made me laugh. Out loud. Any school in this pyramid will be full of well-educated parents and smart children. That means that these children make up both AAP AND Gen Ed classes. It's not as if the AAP classes have kids from well-educated parents, but somehow the Gen Ed classes do not. Nope. The kids are all the same - regardless of AAP/Gen Ed status. It is beyond humorous that you're actually claiming one group is better behaved than the other.

They are not randomly assigned to AAP vs gen ed. Even in a top pyramid there are individual differences. Let those at the school weigh in on whether they are different or not in terms of behavior. GBRS and test scores favor those who are more regulated.

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Anonymous wrote:The Langley folks keeping all the poor kids out of their pyramid and then still worrying about whether the Gen Ed kids are misbehaving makes one want to put in a very large order for very small violins.

The pyramid is unaffordable because many people with means want in. It's economics. If you try to make it more equitable by rezoning or some other scheme, what do you think will happen?

These people who suggest that Langley keeps out the poors just aren’t familiar with the area. Churchill is the closest elementary to Langley. If you drive by Langley or Churchill, you will find single family homes that are expensive. Churchill has nowhere to get these poors. Kings Manor is probably the most affordable housing in Churchill/Langley but they are still around $1m.

Churchill Road boundaries could extend across 123 to apartments in McLean; Langley boundaries could scope in parts of Tysons and Reston now at other ES.

But given how some Churchill Road families complain about some of the Gen Ed kids from the wealthy families there, one can only speculate as to how they'd react to Gen Ed kids from apartments.

You're advocating for gerrymandering the boundaries in order to increase equity, but you don't or can't think of the logical implications. The only result is going to be that if the school quality starts to drop, it will keep dropping as more educated/wealthy will jump ship to private.

Likewise, you need to reflect only for a moment to recognize that these schools didn't become top pyramids overnight. It's not like the wealthy conspired to descend on an already-amazing school and then further conspired to keep everyone else out. They MADE the school what it is by choosing it (over time). The teachers choose to work their because the students are smart and well-behaved (mostly). New wealthy folks want to live and send their kids there because others do...

You're full of crap and offer theory while ignoring historical facts.

If Churchill Road/Langley parents would bolt for privates just because their 2-3% FARMS schools had, say, one-third of the economic diversity of a typical FCPS elementary or high school, let them flee.

You are classy. Ignoring what historical facts? Tell me your historical account of how a good school becomes good.

Let them flee? Then what? Then you complain that they left and the school went downhill as a result.

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Isn’t Churchill Road the wealthiest ES in the county? Why are these people so insecure about getting their kids into AAP? Aren’t their kids set up to succeed either way?

All the hostility to Gen Ed kids and any diversity suggests it must be an uptight, depressing place. You may have money but you lack class and empathy.