Longterm dc area residents, have you noticed decline ?

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Anonymous wrote:Things are far worse now in urban areas across America than they were in 2005, which was probably the high water mark of urban revitalization. Progressive policies without any check from republicans in cities and places like MoCo have led to soaring taxes to fund pensions, reduced services, and tolerance of and embrace of bad behavior. The whole “victimless crime” decriminalization of marijuana has been the latest thing that blows my mind. In the late 90s you couldn’t go out to a bar without smelling like an ashtray. We applauded when smoking bans were passed. Now we are assaulted by marijuana smoke outside, everywhere, and no one bats an eye. Young men are unemployed and shiftless—but again, we are told that it’s due to structural something or something. At some point, the tide will turn back towards sanity, but there are still enough clueless progressive voters to keep writing blank checks to liberal municipalities. When Chicago finally goes bankrupt (hard to fund a $45k pp debt with 8% interest rates) maybe some rationality will return.

You can't smoke weed in restaurants. Dumb comparison.

Legalizing weed and banning smoking indoors is not apples to apples.

Would you rather smell weed or cigarettes? I'll take weed 10 out of 10 times. Plus, I don't mind if people are walking around stoned. Who cares..they are relaxed. Not a bother what so ever. Way better than the crack epidemic.

I'd take cigarettes. Or neither, how about that? It's called "politeness"

Weed smoke won't kill you

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe there was more acts of crime in DC in the 80s and 90s. However, the difference between then and now is that many more areas of the city and the suburbs are less safe.

You're joking, right? There is no way you were here in the 80s and 90s if you actually believe that.

Literally the entire city east of Rock Creek Park is significantly safer now. Columbia Heights, Petworth, Brightwood, Fort Totten, Brookland, Hill East, Logan Circle, Shaw, Bloomingdale, Edgewood, Eckington, NoMa, (which absolutely wasn't called NoMa) Trinidad, H St., Michigan Park, Ivy City were all wastelands full of boarded up and burned out houses, open air drug markets, lacking any sort of retail or restaurants that didn't serve you through bulletproof glass. There is literally no comparison between now and then.

Meanwhile none of the neighborhoods that were safe back then are less safe in any meaningful way.

To say that any of the city and suburbs, much less "many more areas" are less safe than the 80s and 90s is patently and laughably absurd. To write that you would have to have absolutely zero knowledge or awareness of what the area was like back then.

Ok. I’ll try to be more specific. Criminals now come to Upper NW to rob and attack. That never used to happen with such regularity. They also now hang out in Arlington and other close-in burbs. This is all new, since 2020, I think.

There have been 93 robberies and 58 assaults in 2D (WOTP) this year to date. There are around 175,000 residents in that same area. Do you not understand how incredibly insignificant that is?

Even if there were 0 robberies and assaults in the 80s and 90s (there definitely weren't) the increase in your actual chances of being robbed would be so miniscule as to not even be worth thinking about.

Stop being hysterical, you're working yourself into a frenzy for absolutely no benefit. You were safe back then, you're safe now.

Murder rates up and carjacking up by 100+ percent, but their victims take solace knowing it was worse 30 years ago.

Oh no, 100%! That's a big number!

You know what's not a big number? The actual numbers of murders and carjackings compared to the amount of people in the city, and your chances of being one of those victims.

Wow, an extra 100 people a year got killed, almost entirely gangbangers with long criminal records and mostly EOTR where DCUMers have never even set foot. Real scary stuff for those stay at home moms in the Palisades who "don't feel safe anymore" despite the chances of being one of those victims going from approximately 0% to approximately 0%.

You are so out of touch with those of us who live in those neighborhoods and have experienced the murders, carjackings and break ins. I don't know what you think you're accomplishing but downplaying what we deal with.

If you live EOTR or in a heavily populated gang area....you chose that. You can move further out or to a safer neighborhood. It may mean a smaller home/apt but what do you value? Safety or space?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe there was more acts of crime in DC in the 80s and 90s. However, the difference between then and now is that many more areas of the city and the suburbs are less safe.

You're joking, right? There is no way you were here in the 80s and 90s if you actually believe that.

Literally the entire city east of Rock Creek Park is significantly safer now. Columbia Heights, Petworth, Brightwood, Fort Totten, Brookland, Hill East, Logan Circle, Shaw, Bloomingdale, Edgewood, Eckington, NoMa, (which absolutely wasn't called NoMa) Trinidad, H St., Michigan Park, Ivy City were all wastelands full of boarded up and burned out houses, open air drug markets, lacking any sort of retail or restaurants that didn't serve you through bulletproof glass. There is literally no comparison between now and then.

Meanwhile none of the neighborhoods that were safe back then are less safe in any meaningful way.

To say that any of the city and suburbs, much less "many more areas" are less safe than the 80s and 90s is patently and laughably absurd. To write that you would have to have absolutely zero knowledge or awareness of what the area was like back then.

Ok. I’ll try to be more specific. Criminals now come to Upper NW to rob and attack. That never used to happen with such regularity. They also now hang out in Arlington and other close-in burbs. This is all new, since 2020, I think.

There have been 93 robberies and 58 assaults in 2D (WOTP) this year to date. There are around 175,000 residents in that same area. Do you not understand how incredibly insignificant that is?

Even if there were 0 robberies and assaults in the 80s and 90s (there definitely weren't) the increase in your actual chances of being robbed would be so miniscule as to not even be worth thinking about.

Stop being hysterical, you're working yourself into a frenzy for absolutely no benefit. You were safe back then, you're safe now.

Murder rates up and carjacking up by 100+ percent, but their victims take solace knowing it was worse 30 years ago.

Oh no, 100%! That's a big number!

You know what's not a big number? The actual numbers of murders and carjackings compared to the amount of people in the city, and your chances of being one of those victims.

Wow, an extra 100 people a year got killed, almost entirely gangbangers with long criminal records and mostly EOTR where DCUMers have never even set foot. Real scary stuff for those stay at home moms in the Palisades who "don't feel safe anymore" despite the chances of being one of those victims going from approximately 0% to approximately 0%.

You are so out of touch with those of us who live in those neighborhoods and have experienced the murders, carjackings and break ins. I don't know what you think you're accomplishing but downplaying what we deal with.

If you live EOTR or in a heavily populated gang area....you chose that. You can move further out or to a safer neighborhood. It may mean a smaller home/apt but what do you value? Safety or space?

Poor people shouldn't be so lazy and just earn more money.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's another example:

https://wtop.com/dc/2023/08/dc-man-walking-dog-videos-frightening-carjacking-involving-golf-club/

A potential victim is going to kill one of these little shts someday.

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I’ve lived in DC/MD since 1984 and except for the pandemic, I don’t notice anything happening now that’s not sort of the normal rhythm.

Like I feel like there’s an uptick in obviously unwell people on the streets right now, which seems to be from PCP? But I remember feeling like that in 2008ish too.

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The carjackings thing is real, for sure. But I think it’s because kids who would have stolen cars in the past to drive around can’t do it any more because of anti-theft technology (unless there’s a temporary breach like with Kias recently). So there are a lot more carjackings by young idiots.

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Anonymous wrote:Things are far worse now in urban areas across America than they were in 2005, which was probably the high water mark of urban revitalization. Progressive policies without any check from republicans in cities and places like MoCo have led to soaring taxes to fund pensions, reduced services, and tolerance of and embrace of bad behavior. The whole “victimless crime” decriminalization of marijuana has been the latest thing that blows my mind. In the late 90s you couldn’t go out to a bar without smelling like an ashtray. We applauded when smoking bans were passed. Now we are assaulted by marijuana smoke outside, everywhere, and no one bats an eye. Young men are unemployed and shiftless—but again, we are told that it’s due to structural something or something. At some point, the tide will turn back towards sanity, but there are still enough clueless progressive voters to keep writing blank checks to liberal municipalities. When Chicago finally goes bankrupt (hard to fund a $45k pp debt with 8% interest rates) maybe some rationality will return.

You can't smoke weed in restaurants. Dumb comparison.

Legalizing weed and banning smoking indoors is not apples to apples.

Would you rather smell weed or cigarettes? I'll take weed 10 out of 10 times. Plus, I don't mind if people are walking around stoned. Who cares..they are relaxed. Not a bother what so ever. Way better than the crack epidemic.

I'd take cigarettes. Or neither, how about that? It's called "politeness"

Cigs smell like a$$.

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“Things in DC were definitely worse in the early 90s. That said post-pandemic the social fabric is fraying a bit.“

Not true. I’ve lived in DC since ‘91. There are more areas in the city that have become gentrified and not as sketchy. But the areas of the city that used to be safe are now now full of sketchy drug addled homeless. Much worse than ever.

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Anonymous wrote:For those that don’t believe crime has increased, I wonder if you have spent much time in the downtown area recently. I’m no NIMBY. I’ve been living within a block of several homeless shelters for 20 years. And we can debate whether it was worse 20 years ago when this was all empty lots and construction sites, but I have seen nothing like this since 2005 at the latest. It is terrifying. And the police won’t even accept crime reports. The numbers are fully skewed.

Has anyone actually said crime hasn’t increased since the pandemic?

Most people here are saying that, after living here for many years (“longterm DC area residents”, per OP), crime is still better than it was, despite the uptick.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe there was more acts of crime in DC in the 80s and 90s. However, the difference between then and now is that many more areas of the city and the suburbs are less safe.

You're joking, right? There is no way you were here in the 80s and 90s if you actually believe that.

Literally the entire city east of Rock Creek Park is significantly safer now. Columbia Heights, Petworth, Brightwood, Fort Totten, Brookland, Hill East, Logan Circle, Shaw, Bloomingdale, Edgewood, Eckington, NoMa, (which absolutely wasn't called NoMa) Trinidad, H St., Michigan Park, Ivy City were all wastelands full of boarded up and burned out houses, open air drug markets, lacking any sort of retail or restaurants that didn't serve you through bulletproof glass. There is literally no comparison between now and then.

Meanwhile none of the neighborhoods that were safe back then are less safe in any meaningful way.

To say that any of the city and suburbs, much less "many more areas" are less safe than the 80s and 90s is patently and laughably absurd. To write that you would have to have absolutely zero knowledge or awareness of what the area was like back then.

Ok. I’ll try to be more specific. Criminals now come to Upper NW to rob and attack. That never used to happen with such regularity. They also now hang out in Arlington and other close-in burbs. This is all new, since 2020, I think.

There have been 93 robberies and 58 assaults in 2D (WOTP) this year to date. There are around 175,000 residents in that same area. Do you not understand how incredibly insignificant that is?

Even if there were 0 robberies and assaults in the 80s and 90s (there definitely weren't) the increase in your actual chances of being robbed would be so miniscule as to not even be worth thinking about.

Stop being hysterical, you're working yourself into a frenzy for absolutely no benefit. You were safe back then, you're safe now.

Murder rates up and carjacking up by 100+ percent, but their victims take solace knowing it was worse 30 years ago.

Oh no, 100%! That's a big number!

You know what's not a big number? The actual numbers of murders and carjackings compared to the amount of people in the city, and your chances of being one of those victims.

Wow, an extra 100 people a year got killed, almost entirely gangbangers with long criminal records and mostly EOTR where DCUMers have never even set foot. Real scary stuff for those stay at home moms in the Palisades who "don't feel safe anymore" despite the chances of being one of those victims going from approximately 0% to approximately 0%.

You are so out of touch with those of us who live in those neighborhoods and have experienced the murders, carjackings and break ins. I don't know what you think you're accomplishing but downplaying what we deal with.

If you live EOTR or in a heavily populated gang area....you chose that. You can move further out or to a safer neighborhood. It may mean a smaller home/apt but what do you value? Safety or space?

Duh - this is the point: you can’t move further out; you can’t escape it.

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Anonymous wrote:Shootout in Columbia Heights last night at an early hour when kids and families were still out and about.

Ummm you could just move, if you can afford to live in CH then you can afford to live anywhere.

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DC was headed up for a while, specially after those Barry years.

But yeah, it’s gettin bad and more worse all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:Shootout in Columbia Heights last night at an early hour when kids and families were still out and about.

Ummm you could just move, if you can afford to live in CH then you can afford to live anywhere.

I have no idea what is wrong with this person but they are sick in the head. Despicable that this is their reaction to crime.

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Anonymous wrote:Blame the morons who chanted that we need to defund the police. Absolute idiocy.

And yet DC never defunded police, in fact the budgets have increased.

Or are you insinuating that police are not doing their jobs because they have hurt feelings?

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Anonymous wrote:Blame the morons who chanted that we need to defund the police. Absolute idiocy.

And yet DC never defunded police, in fact the budgets have increased.

Or are you insinuating that police are not doing their jobs because they have hurt feelings?

Not PP, but there is a spirit of lawlessness and regular taxpayers are sitting ducks as a result.