Anonymous wrote:My only response is to offer a bit of practical advice if you refer to God as mythical--stay inside during a lightning and thunder storm.
Yeah threats of your loving god that we don’t believe in anyway. Not going to work very well, and not a good look for you as it indicates your religion has a god that decides who gets hit by lightning and which kids get cancer and which of them recover. Nice!
You asked about gosh galloping and then you exemplified it with this post. Good work.
How many bad faith posts have you made in a row now? Time to disengage with you.
Anonymous wrote:My only response is to offer a bit of practical advice if you refer to God as mythical--stay inside during a lightning and thunder storm.
Yeah threats of your loving god that we don’t believe in anyway. Not going to work very well, and not a good look for you as it indicates your religion has a god that decides who gets hit by lightning and which kids get cancer and which of them recover. Nice!
You asked about gosh galloping and then you exemplified it with this post. Good work.
How many bad faith posts have you made in a row now? Time to disengage with you.
Anonymous wrote:I have asked these questions every time someone claims a non-believer is "insulting" and no one replies. Another PP suggested its own thread so here it is:
1. Is it "insulting" to refer to god as "mythical"? Why?
2. Is it insulting to compare a god to another god or mythical being knowing people who believe in one don't believe in the other? Why?
3. Those of you who believe in one god: do you think the other gods are "mythical"? Why?
Thoughtful replies only, please. If you don't like the questions you don't have to respond at all. However all views are welcome as long as they are thoughtful and not trolls or insults.
I think it is because the questions aren’t really asked in good faith. Good faith conversations would use proper capitalization of proper nouns, for example. Your studious refusal to capitalize “God” is exhibit one of your trolling. And trolling is insulting.
DP -- I would guess that you, pp, are religious, and in your religion, "God" is one being who comes with a capital letter. Not all sentences are contructed this way and people are not being inherently insulting when they do not capitalize the word "god" in a sentence. Perhaps you could be more open-minded about that, assuming that you can be accepting of differing religious views.
No, I am not religious, actually. But I am an editor and the Christian “God” I reasonably infer is being discussed in this context is capitalized as a proper noun. People who act in good faith and want a respectful discussion generally abide by norms such as grammar. It’s kind of like a conservative who wants a conversation about “democrat” policies (instead of Democratic) or liberals who refer to “rethuglicans.” The premise is undercut by the presentation. It’s not hard to capitalize “God” in this context if you are genuinely interested in an answer — studiously refusing to do is a red flag from the start.
Thanks for the explanation. "Studiously refusing to do so" is different from not knowing. I didn't know and I wouldn't be surprised if some religious people didn't know and didn't notice.
Also, it seems like mind reading to infer that pp is not acting in good faith. And, even as a non-editor, it seems to me that not capitalizing God is not the same as using the made-up, purposely insulting term "rethuglicans".
I disagree. Given context of the premise it is purposefully insulting to not capitalize God in this context. Ignorance is no excuse because if you really want to have a good-faith discussion you should do a bare minimum of research. You’re completely full of shit and trying to stir the pot under a guise of civility.
Well, clearly pp is not being civil. I sure hope this is not the editor.
It is me, the editor. I don’t care whether or not you think I am being civil. I called out OP for posing a question in bad faith. The premise is rejected. You can’t act in bad faith and demand civility and clutch pearls that others don’t abide by your parameters. OP got called out. OP can sit down now.
I am the OP, and I did not post this question in bad faith. You made that up with no evidence and you are 100% wrong.
I do fully understand how you might reject the premise since you don’t seem to have a good answer to it.
My post speaks for itself, as do yours.
DP. Gawd DCUM’s atheists are boring and uncreative. In your post you simply recapped what you or someone else has been pushing for a few weeks, that the god of monotheists/people of the book is the same as Zeus. (And yes I too clocked the lower-case God in reference to a specific God not a generic god.) Nobody bothered to answer something so childish so you thought you’d try to start a thread about it. Yawn Zzzzzzzzz.
No. You are dishonest. I asked if it was offensive to compare them and why. I also asked if people viewed one god as mythical but not another and why.
If you are bored, stay out of the discussion please. Your white noise and lies will not deter an interesting conversation.
No, using the word “compare” doesn’t paper over your bad faith intent, as evidenced by your lack of capitalization as someone else pointed out. If you think you’re convincing us otherwise, either you have no respect for your readers’ intelligence or you just don’t get it yourself.
Anyway, thanks for treating us to yet another of your ad hominem-ridden, stiffly self-important screeds.
Whether it's insulting to use the upper case or lower case "G/g" when discussing God/god is another thread, right? I understand how some do consider it disrespectful. But the reason it's done is that some posters, including myself, don't venerate one particular god over the others. There are so many. So explain if you would why the upper case should always be used. Isn't it an open question whether there is only one "God" or many "gods".
The atheist editor already explained it to you. Why do you need it explained a second time?
If you want a constructive discussion with republicans, you don’t lead by calling them “rethuglicans” or “magats.” If you want a constructive discussion with liberals, you don’t refer to the “democrat” party.
This is very basic.
well don't discuss it then if you don't like the use of the lower case "g." I don't see why we should venerate any one of these many different gods over another.
Translation: I know I’m insulting people, because several posters have explained it to me, but I’m going to keep doing it.
^^^ The definition of bad faith arguing
? why should I capitulate to you. And where do you get off telling people that they have to exalt your spelling of your supernatural entity over any others'?
PP doesn’t dictate grammar, OP. Those conventions were decided and codified long ago by a collective and adopted as commonly accepted usage. Deliberately violating that commonly accepted usage under the guise of asking a question is inherently disingenuous, if not a provocation. You don’t want a conversation. You want a fight and you’re trying to reset a playing field long established by neutral arbiters. As a result, nothing you say from that point on has validity or really is worthy of discussion.
Anonymous wrote:I have asked these questions every time someone claims a non-believer is "insulting" and no one replies. Another PP suggested its own thread so here it is:
1. Is it "insulting" to refer to god as "mythical"? Why?
2. Is it insulting to compare a god to another god or mythical being knowing people who believe in one don't believe in the other? Why?
3. Those of you who believe in one god: do you think the other gods are "mythical"? Why?
Thoughtful replies only, please. If you don't like the questions you don't have to respond at all. However all views are welcome as long as they are thoughtful and not trolls or insults.
I think it is because the questions aren’t really asked in good faith. Good faith conversations would use proper capitalization of proper nouns, for example. Your studious refusal to capitalize “God” is exhibit one of your trolling. And trolling is insulting.
DP -- I would guess that you, pp, are religious, and in your religion, "God" is one being who comes with a capital letter. Not all sentences are contructed this way and people are not being inherently insulting when they do not capitalize the word "god" in a sentence. Perhaps you could be more open-minded about that, assuming that you can be accepting of differing religious views.
No, I am not religious, actually. But I am an editor and the Christian “God” I reasonably infer is being discussed in this context is capitalized as a proper noun. People who act in good faith and want a respectful discussion generally abide by norms such as grammar. It’s kind of like a conservative who wants a conversation about “democrat” policies (instead of Democratic) or liberals who refer to “rethuglicans.” The premise is undercut by the presentation. It’s not hard to capitalize “God” in this context if you are genuinely interested in an answer — studiously refusing to do is a red flag from the start.
Thanks for the explanation. "Studiously refusing to do so" is different from not knowing. I didn't know and I wouldn't be surprised if some religious people didn't know and didn't notice.
Also, it seems like mind reading to infer that pp is not acting in good faith. And, even as a non-editor, it seems to me that not capitalizing God is not the same as using the made-up, purposely insulting term "rethuglicans".
I disagree. Given context of the premise it is purposefully insulting to not capitalize God in this context. Ignorance is no excuse because if you really want to have a good-faith discussion you should do a bare minimum of research. You’re completely full of shit and trying to stir the pot under a guise of civility.
Well, clearly pp is not being civil. I sure hope this is not the editor.
It is me, the editor. I don’t care whether or not you think I am being civil. I called out OP for posing a question in bad faith. The premise is rejected. You can’t act in bad faith and demand civility and clutch pearls that others don’t abide by your parameters. OP got called out. OP can sit down now.
I am the OP, and I did not post this question in bad faith. You made that up with no evidence and you are 100% wrong.
I do fully understand how you might reject the premise since you don’t seem to have a good answer to it.
My post speaks for itself, as do yours.
DP. Gawd DCUM’s atheists are boring and uncreative. In your post you simply recapped what you or someone else has been pushing for a few weeks, that the god of monotheists/people of the book is the same as Zeus. (And yes I too clocked the lower-case God in reference to a specific God not a generic god.) Nobody bothered to answer something so childish so you thought you’d try to start a thread about it. Yawn Zzzzzzzzz.
No. You are dishonest. I asked if it was offensive to compare them and why. I also asked if people viewed one god as mythical but not another and why.
If you are bored, stay out of the discussion please. Your white noise and lies will not deter an interesting conversation.
No, using the word “compare” doesn’t paper over your bad faith intent, as evidenced by your lack of capitalization as someone else pointed out. If you think you’re convincing us otherwise, either you have no respect for your readers’ intelligence or you just don’t get it yourself.
Anyway, thanks for treating us to yet another of your ad hominem-ridden, stiffly self-important screeds.
Whether it's insulting to use the upper case or lower case "G/g" when discussing God/god is another thread, right? I understand how some do consider it disrespectful. But the reason it's done is that some posters, including myself, don't venerate one particular god over the others. There are so many. So explain if you would why the upper case should always be used. Isn't it an open question whether there is only one "God" or many "gods".
The atheist editor already explained it to you. Why do you need it explained a second time?
If you want a constructive discussion with republicans, you don’t lead by calling them “rethuglicans” or “magats.” If you want a constructive discussion with liberals, you don’t refer to the “democrat” party.
This is very basic.
well don't discuss it then if you don't like the use of the lower case "g." I don't see why we should venerate any one of these many different gods over another.
Translation: I know I’m insulting people, because several posters have explained it to me, but I’m going to keep doing it.
^^^ The definition of bad faith arguing
? why should I capitulate to you. And where do you get off telling people that they have to exalt your spelling of your supernatural entity over any others'?
PP doesn’t dictate grammar, OP. Those conventions were decided and codified long ago by a collective and adopted as commonly accepted usage. Deliberately violating that commonly accepted usage under the guise of asking a question is inherently disingenuous, if not a provocation. You don’t want a conversation. You want a fight and you’re trying to reset a playing field long established by neutral arbiters. As a result, nothing you say from that point on has validity or really is worthy of discussion.
Right. Because you've got nothing to say. You never do.
Anonymous wrote:I have asked these questions every time someone claims a non-believer is "insulting" and no one replies. Another PP suggested its own thread so here it is:
1. Is it "insulting" to refer to god as "mythical"? Why?
2. Is it insulting to compare a god to another god or mythical being knowing people who believe in one don't believe in the other? Why?
3. Those of you who believe in one god: do you think the other gods are "mythical"? Why?
Thoughtful replies only, please. If you don't like the questions you don't have to respond at all. However all views are welcome as long as they are thoughtful and not trolls or insults.
I think it is because the questions aren’t really asked in good faith. Good faith conversations would use proper capitalization of proper nouns, for example. Your studious refusal to capitalize “God” is exhibit one of your trolling. And trolling is insulting.
DP -- I would guess that you, pp, are religious, and in your religion, "God" is one being who comes with a capital letter. Not all sentences are contructed this way and people are not being inherently insulting when they do not capitalize the word "god" in a sentence. Perhaps you could be more open-minded about that, assuming that you can be accepting of differing religious views.
No, I am not religious, actually. But I am an editor and the Christian “God” I reasonably infer is being discussed in this context is capitalized as a proper noun. People who act in good faith and want a respectful discussion generally abide by norms such as grammar. It’s kind of like a conservative who wants a conversation about “democrat” policies (instead of Democratic) or liberals who refer to “rethuglicans.” The premise is undercut by the presentation. It’s not hard to capitalize “God” in this context if you are genuinely interested in an answer — studiously refusing to do is a red flag from the start.
Thanks for the explanation. "Studiously refusing to do so" is different from not knowing. I didn't know and I wouldn't be surprised if some religious people didn't know and didn't notice.
Also, it seems like mind reading to infer that pp is not acting in good faith. And, even as a non-editor, it seems to me that not capitalizing God is not the same as using the made-up, purposely insulting term "rethuglicans".
I disagree. Given context of the premise it is purposefully insulting to not capitalize God in this context. Ignorance is no excuse because if you really want to have a good-faith discussion you should do a bare minimum of research. You’re completely full of shit and trying to stir the pot under a guise of civility.
Well, clearly pp is not being civil. I sure hope this is not the editor.
It is me, the editor. I don’t care whether or not you think I am being civil. I called out OP for posing a question in bad faith. The premise is rejected. You can’t act in bad faith and demand civility and clutch pearls that others don’t abide by your parameters. OP got called out. OP can sit down now.
I am the OP, and I did not post this question in bad faith. You made that up with no evidence and you are 100% wrong.
I do fully understand how you might reject the premise since you don’t seem to have a good answer to it.
My post speaks for itself, as do yours.
DP. Gawd DCUM’s atheists are boring and uncreative. In your post you simply recapped what you or someone else has been pushing for a few weeks, that the god of monotheists/people of the book is the same as Zeus. (And yes I too clocked the lower-case God in reference to a specific God not a generic god.) Nobody bothered to answer something so childish so you thought you’d try to start a thread about it. Yawn Zzzzzzzzz.
No. You are dishonest. I asked if it was offensive to compare them and why. I also asked if people viewed one god as mythical but not another and why.
If you are bored, stay out of the discussion please. Your white noise and lies will not deter an interesting conversation.
No, using the word “compare” doesn’t paper over your bad faith intent, as evidenced by your lack of capitalization as someone else pointed out. If you think you’re convincing us otherwise, either you have no respect for your readers’ intelligence or you just don’t get it yourself.
Anyway, thanks for treating us to yet another of your ad hominem-ridden, stiffly self-important screeds.
Whether it's insulting to use the upper case or lower case "G/g" when discussing God/god is another thread, right? I understand how some do consider it disrespectful. But the reason it's done is that some posters, including myself, don't venerate one particular god over the others. There are so many. So explain if you would why the upper case should always be used. Isn't it an open question whether there is only one "God" or many "gods".
The atheist editor already explained it to you. Why do you need it explained a second time?
If you want a constructive discussion with republicans, you don’t lead by calling them “rethuglicans” or “magats.” If you want a constructive discussion with liberals, you don’t refer to the “democrat” party.
This is very basic.
well don't discuss it then if you don't like the use of the lower case "g." I don't see why we should venerate any one of these many different gods over another.
Translation: I know I’m insulting people, because several posters have explained it to me, but I’m going to keep doing it.
^^^ The definition of bad faith arguing
? why should I capitulate to you. And where do you get off telling people that they have to exalt your spelling of your supernatural entity over any others'?
PP doesn’t dictate grammar, OP. Those conventions were decided and codified long ago by a collective and adopted as commonly accepted usage. Deliberately violating that commonly accepted usage under the guise of asking a question is inherently disingenuous, if not a provocation. You don’t want a conversation. You want a fight and you’re trying to reset a playing field long established by neutral arbiters. As a result, nothing you say from that point on has validity or really is worthy of discussion.
+1000
That's because you've got nothing to say. You never do.
Anonymous wrote:Im Hindu. They're all mythical to me.
+1. So is the book of Genesis and all the other creation myths. Beautiful and powerful myths to be sure, but still myths.
Most mainstream Christian religions hold that same view, e.g., Catholic, Episcopal, etc. But that is not OP's question.
Well, you're somewhat right -- but the idea of "god" is implicated in the question don't you think, since it was this force named "God" that waved its hand and created the heavens and the earth? So if the story is mythical, then why isn't the idea of the force that created it mythical?
Anonymous wrote:I have asked these questions every time someone claims a non-believer is "insulting" and no one replies. Another PP suggested its own thread so here it is:
1. Is it "insulting" to refer to god as "mythical"? Why?
2. Is it insulting to compare a god to another god or mythical being knowing people who believe in one don't believe in the other? Why?
3. Those of you who believe in one god: do you think the other gods are "mythical"? Why?
Thoughtful replies only, please. If you don't like the questions you don't have to respond at all. However all views are welcome as long as they are thoughtful and not trolls or insults.
I think it is because the questions aren’t really asked in good faith. Good faith conversations would use proper capitalization of proper nouns, for example. Your studious refusal to capitalize “God” is exhibit one of your trolling. And trolling is insulting.
DP -- I would guess that you, pp, are religious, and in your religion, "God" is one being who comes with a capital letter. Not all sentences are contructed this way and people are not being inherently insulting when they do not capitalize the word "god" in a sentence. Perhaps you could be more open-minded about that, assuming that you can be accepting of differing religious views.
What's an example of a proper noun that is not capitalized?
“God” is not always a proper noun. That’s the point. In polytheistic religions “god” and “gods” would not be capitalized.
Correct, e.g., "God is not just a god, but the one, true God. I have been taught that it is a sin to worship false gods."
Depends on context. If I’m talking to a group of believers, I would never use a term like that. It upsets people for no good purpose. If we’re having a comparative religion conversation, I would say “Christianity does this, Islam does that, and in Roman mythology they said xyz”. I’m not sure adding the phrase “mythical” to a deity humans living today actually believe in ever enhanced any conversation.
Anonymous wrote:Depends on context. If I’m talking to a group of believers, I would never use a term like that. It upsets people for no good purpose. If we’re having a comparative religion conversation, I would say “Christianity does this, Islam does that, and in Roman mythology they said xyz”. I’m not sure adding the phrase “mythical” to a deity humans living today actually believe in ever enhanced any conversation.
+1. If the question here is about whether OP is arguing in bad faith, then case closed. She is arguing in bad faith, because she repeatedly uses lower-case "god" and calls religion "mythical," both things that she knows insult living humans who actually believe.
Anonymous wrote:I have asked these questions every time someone claims a non-believer is "insulting" and no one replies. Another PP suggested its own thread so here it is:
1. Is it "insulting" to refer to god as "mythical"? Why?
2. Is it insulting to compare a god to another god or mythical being knowing people who believe in one don't believe in the other? Why?
3. Those of you who believe in one god: do you think the other gods are "mythical"? Why?
Thoughtful replies only, please. If you don't like the questions you don't have to respond at all. However all views are welcome as long as they are thoughtful and not trolls or insults.
I think it is because the questions aren’t really asked in good faith. Good faith conversations would use proper capitalization of proper nouns, for example. Your studious refusal to capitalize “God” is exhibit one of your trolling. And trolling is insulting.
DP -- I would guess that you, pp, are religious, and in your religion, "God" is one being who comes with a capital letter. Not all sentences are contructed this way and people are not being inherently insulting when they do not capitalize the word "god" in a sentence. Perhaps you could be more open-minded about that, assuming that you can be accepting of differing religious views.
No, I am not religious, actually. But I am an editor and the Christian “God” I reasonably infer is being discussed in this context is capitalized as a proper noun. People who act in good faith and want a respectful discussion generally abide by norms such as grammar. It’s kind of like a conservative who wants a conversation about “democrat” policies (instead of Democratic) or liberals who refer to “rethuglicans.” The premise is undercut by the presentation. It’s not hard to capitalize “God” in this context if you are genuinely interested in an answer — studiously refusing to do is a red flag from the start.
Thanks for the explanation. "Studiously refusing to do so" is different from not knowing. I didn't know and I wouldn't be surprised if some religious people didn't know and didn't notice.
Also, it seems like mind reading to infer that pp is not acting in good faith. And, even as a non-editor, it seems to me that not capitalizing God is not the same as using the made-up, purposely insulting term "rethuglicans".
I disagree. Given context of the premise it is purposefully insulting to not capitalize God in this context. Ignorance is no excuse because if you really want to have a good-faith discussion you should do a bare minimum of research. You’re completely full of shit and trying to stir the pot under a guise of civility.
Well, clearly pp is not being civil. I sure hope this is not the editor.
It is me, the editor. I don’t care whether or not you think I am being civil. I called out OP for posing a question in bad faith. The premise is rejected. You can’t act in bad faith and demand civility and clutch pearls that others don’t abide by your parameters. OP got called out. OP can sit down now.
I am the OP, and I did not post this question in bad faith. You made that up with no evidence and you are 100% wrong.
I do fully understand how you might reject the premise since you don’t seem to have a good answer to it.
My post speaks for itself, as do yours.
DP. Gawd DCUM’s atheists are boring and uncreative. In your post you simply recapped what you or someone else has been pushing for a few weeks, that the god of monotheists/people of the book is the same as Zeus. (And yes I too clocked the lower-case God in reference to a specific God not a generic god.) Nobody bothered to answer something so childish so you thought you’d try to start a thread about it. Yawn Zzzzzzzzz.
No. You are dishonest. I asked if it was offensive to compare them and why. I also asked if people viewed one god as mythical but not another and why.
If you are bored, stay out of the discussion please. Your white noise and lies will not deter an interesting conversation.
No, using the word “compare” doesn’t paper over your bad faith intent, as evidenced by your lack of capitalization as someone else pointed out. If you think you’re convincing us otherwise, either you have no respect for your readers’ intelligence or you just don’t get it yourself.
Anyway, thanks for treating us to yet another of your ad hominem-ridden, stiffly self-important screeds.
Whether it's insulting to use the upper case or lower case "G/g" when discussing God/god is another thread, right? I understand how some do consider it disrespectful. But the reason it's done is that some posters, including myself, don't venerate one particular god over the others. There are so many. So explain if you would why the upper case should always be used. Isn't it an open question whether there is only one "God" or many "gods".
The atheist editor already explained it to you. Why do you need it explained a second time?
If you want a constructive discussion with republicans, you don’t lead by calling them “rethuglicans” or “magats.” If you want a constructive discussion with liberals, you don’t refer to the “democrat” party.
This is very basic.
well don't discuss it then if you don't like the use of the lower case "g." I don't see why we should venerate any one of these many different gods over another.
Translation: I know I’m insulting people, because several posters have explained it to me, but I’m going to keep doing it.
^^^ The definition of bad faith arguing
? why should I capitulate to you. And where do you get off telling people that they have to exalt your spelling of your supernatural entity over any others'?
PP doesn’t dictate grammar, OP. Those conventions were decided and codified long ago by a collective and adopted as commonly accepted usage. Deliberately violating that commonly accepted usage under the guise of asking a question is inherently disingenuous, if not a provocation. You don’t want a conversation. You want a fight and you’re trying to reset a playing field long established by neutral arbiters. As a result, nothing you say from that point on has validity or really is worthy of discussion.
+1000
That's because you've got nothing to say. You never do.
Anonymous wrote:I have asked these questions every time someone claims a non-believer is "insulting" and no one replies. Another PP suggested its own thread so here it is:
1. Is it "insulting" to refer to god as "mythical"? Why?
2. Is it insulting to compare a god to another god or mythical being knowing people who believe in one don't believe in the other? Why?
3. Those of you who believe in one god: do you think the other gods are "mythical"? Why?
Thoughtful replies only, please. If you don't like the questions you don't have to respond at all. However all views are welcome as long as they are thoughtful and not trolls or insults.
I think it is because the questions aren’t really asked in good faith. Good faith conversations would use proper capitalization of proper nouns, for example. Your studious refusal to capitalize “God” is exhibit one of your trolling. And trolling is insulting.
DP -- I would guess that you, pp, are religious, and in your religion, "God" is one being who comes with a capital letter. Not all sentences are contructed this way and people are not being inherently insulting when they do not capitalize the word "god" in a sentence. Perhaps you could be more open-minded about that, assuming that you can be accepting of differing religious views.
No, I am not religious, actually. But I am an editor and the Christian “God” I reasonably infer is being discussed in this context is capitalized as a proper noun. People who act in good faith and want a respectful discussion generally abide by norms such as grammar. It’s kind of like a conservative who wants a conversation about “democrat” policies (instead of Democratic) or liberals who refer to “rethuglicans.” The premise is undercut by the presentation. It’s not hard to capitalize “God” in this context if you are genuinely interested in an answer — studiously refusing to do is a red flag from the start.
Thanks for the explanation. "Studiously refusing to do so" is different from not knowing. I didn't know and I wouldn't be surprised if some religious people didn't know and didn't notice.
Also, it seems like mind reading to infer that pp is not acting in good faith. And, even as a non-editor, it seems to me that not capitalizing God is not the same as using the made-up, purposely insulting term "rethuglicans".
I disagree. Given context of the premise it is purposefully insulting to not capitalize God in this context. Ignorance is no excuse because if you really want to have a good-faith discussion you should do a bare minimum of research. You’re completely full of shit and trying to stir the pot under a guise of civility.
Well, clearly pp is not being civil. I sure hope this is not the editor.
It is me, the editor. I don’t care whether or not you think I am being civil. I called out OP for posing a question in bad faith. The premise is rejected. You can’t act in bad faith and demand civility and clutch pearls that others don’t abide by your parameters. OP got called out. OP can sit down now.
I am the OP, and I did not post this question in bad faith. You made that up with no evidence and you are 100% wrong.
I do fully understand how you might reject the premise since you don’t seem to have a good answer to it.
My post speaks for itself, as do yours.
DP. Gawd DCUM’s atheists are boring and uncreative. In your post you simply recapped what you or someone else has been pushing for a few weeks, that the god of monotheists/people of the book is the same as Zeus. (And yes I too clocked the lower-case God in reference to a specific God not a generic god.) Nobody bothered to answer something so childish so you thought you’d try to start a thread about it. Yawn Zzzzzzzzz.
No. You are dishonest. I asked if it was offensive to compare them and why. I also asked if people viewed one god as mythical but not another and why.
If you are bored, stay out of the discussion please. Your white noise and lies will not deter an interesting conversation.
No, using the word “compare” doesn’t paper over your bad faith intent, as evidenced by your lack of capitalization as someone else pointed out. If you think you’re convincing us otherwise, either you have no respect for your readers’ intelligence or you just don’t get it yourself.
Anyway, thanks for treating us to yet another of your ad hominem-ridden, stiffly self-important screeds.
Whether it's insulting to use the upper case or lower case "G/g" when discussing God/god is another thread, right? I understand how some do consider it disrespectful. But the reason it's done is that some posters, including myself, don't venerate one particular god over the others. There are so many. So explain if you would why the upper case should always be used. Isn't it an open question whether there is only one "God" or many "gods".
DP: This is simple grammar actually, not religion. Capitalize the names of gods: Zeus, Yahweh, Allah, God, etc. When referring to them as a collective noun or a nonspecific deity, then god is appropriate.
Anonymous wrote:I have asked these questions every time someone claims a non-believer is "insulting" and no one replies. Another PP suggested its own thread so here it is:
1. Is it "insulting" to refer to god as "mythical"? Why?
2. Is it insulting to compare a god to another god or mythical being knowing people who believe in one don't believe in the other? Why?
3. Those of you who believe in one god: do you think the other gods are "mythical"? Why?
Thoughtful replies only, please. If you don't like the questions you don't have to respond at all. However all views are welcome as long as they are thoughtful and not trolls or insults.
I think it is because the questions aren’t really asked in good faith. Good faith conversations would use proper capitalization of proper nouns, for example. Your studious refusal to capitalize “God” is exhibit one of your trolling. And trolling is insulting.
DP -- I would guess that you, pp, are religious, and in your religion, "God" is one being who comes with a capital letter. Not all sentences are contructed this way and people are not being inherently insulting when they do not capitalize the word "god" in a sentence. Perhaps you could be more open-minded about that, assuming that you can be accepting of differing religious views.
No, I am not religious, actually. But I am an editor and the Christian “God” I reasonably infer is being discussed in this context is capitalized as a proper noun. People who act in good faith and want a respectful discussion generally abide by norms such as grammar. It’s kind of like a conservative who wants a conversation about “democrat” policies (instead of Democratic) or liberals who refer to “rethuglicans.” The premise is undercut by the presentation. It’s not hard to capitalize “God” in this context if you are genuinely interested in an answer — studiously refusing to do is a red flag from the start.
Thanks for the explanation. "Studiously refusing to do so" is different from not knowing. I didn't know and I wouldn't be surprised if some religious people didn't know and didn't notice.
Also, it seems like mind reading to infer that pp is not acting in good faith. And, even as a non-editor, it seems to me that not capitalizing God is not the same as using the made-up, purposely insulting term "rethuglicans".
I disagree. Given context of the premise it is purposefully insulting to not capitalize God in this context. Ignorance is no excuse because if you really want to have a good-faith discussion you should do a bare minimum of research. You’re completely full of shit and trying to stir the pot under a guise of civility.
Well, clearly pp is not being civil. I sure hope this is not the editor.
It is me, the editor. I don’t care whether or not you think I am being civil. I called out OP for posing a question in bad faith. The premise is rejected. You can’t act in bad faith and demand civility and clutch pearls that others don’t abide by your parameters. OP got called out. OP can sit down now.
I am the OP, and I did not post this question in bad faith. You made that up with no evidence and you are 100% wrong.
I do fully understand how you might reject the premise since you don’t seem to have a good answer to it.
My post speaks for itself, as do yours.
DP. Gawd DCUM’s atheists are boring and uncreative. In your post you simply recapped what you or someone else has been pushing for a few weeks, that the god of monotheists/people of the book is the same as Zeus. (And yes I too clocked the lower-case God in reference to a specific God not a generic god.) Nobody bothered to answer something so childish so you thought you’d try to start a thread about it. Yawn Zzzzzzzzz.
No. You are dishonest. I asked if it was offensive to compare them and why. I also asked if people viewed one god as mythical but not another and why.
If you are bored, stay out of the discussion please. Your white noise and lies will not deter an interesting conversation.
No, using the word “compare” doesn’t paper over your bad faith intent, as evidenced by your lack of capitalization as someone else pointed out. If you think you’re convincing us otherwise, either you have no respect for your readers’ intelligence or you just don’t get it yourself.
Anyway, thanks for treating us to yet another of your ad hominem-ridden, stiffly self-important screeds.
Whether it's insulting to use the upper case or lower case "G/g" when discussing God/god is another thread, right? I understand how some do consider it disrespectful. But the reason it's done is that some posters, including myself, don't venerate one particular god over the others. There are so many. So explain if you would why the upper case should always be used. Isn't it an open question whether there is only one "God" or many "gods".
The atheist editor already explained it to you. Why do you need it explained a second time?
If you want a constructive discussion with republicans, you don’t lead by calling them “rethuglicans” or “magats.” If you want a constructive discussion with liberals, you don’t refer to the “democrat” party.
This is very basic.
well don't discuss it then if you don't like the use of the lower case "g." I don't see why we should venerate any one of these many different gods over another.
Translation: I know I’m insulting people, because several posters have explained it to me, but I’m going to keep doing it.
^^^ The definition of bad faith arguing
? why should I capitulate to you. And where do you get off telling people that they have to exalt your spelling of your supernatural entity over any others'?
PP doesn’t dictate grammar, OP. Those conventions were decided and codified long ago by a collective and adopted as commonly accepted usage. Deliberately violating that commonly accepted usage under the guise of asking a question is inherently disingenuous, if not a provocation. You don’t want a conversation. You want a fight and you’re trying to reset a playing field long established by neutral arbiters. As a result, nothing you say from that point on has validity or really is worthy of discussion.
+1000
That's because you've got nothing to say. You never do.
You just don't want to hear it.
I really do. But you've never contributed anything substantive ever; just criticized the OP's choice of words, and call people sea lion, gish galloping etc.
Anonymous wrote:I have asked these questions every time someone claims a non-believer is "insulting" and no one replies. Another PP suggested its own thread so here it is:
1. Is it "insulting" to refer to god as "mythical"? Why?
2. Is it insulting to compare a god to another god or mythical being knowing people who believe in one don't believe in the other? Why?
3. Those of you who believe in one god: do you think the other gods are "mythical"? Why?
Thoughtful replies only, please. If you don't like the questions you don't have to respond at all. However all views are welcome as long as they are thoughtful and not trolls or insults.
I think it is because the questions aren’t really asked in good faith. Good faith conversations would use proper capitalization of proper nouns, for example. Your studious refusal to capitalize “God” is exhibit one of your trolling. And trolling is insulting.
DP -- I would guess that you, pp, are religious, and in your religion, "God" is one being who comes with a capital letter. Not all sentences are contructed this way and people are not being inherently insulting when they do not capitalize the word "god" in a sentence. Perhaps you could be more open-minded about that, assuming that you can be accepting of differing religious views.
No, I am not religious, actually. But I am an editor and the Christian “God” I reasonably infer is being discussed in this context is capitalized as a proper noun. People who act in good faith and want a respectful discussion generally abide by norms such as grammar. It’s kind of like a conservative who wants a conversation about “democrat” policies (instead of Democratic) or liberals who refer to “rethuglicans.” The premise is undercut by the presentation. It’s not hard to capitalize “God” in this context if you are genuinely interested in an answer — studiously refusing to do is a red flag from the start.
Thanks for the explanation. "Studiously refusing to do so" is different from not knowing. I didn't know and I wouldn't be surprised if some religious people didn't know and didn't notice.
Also, it seems like mind reading to infer that pp is not acting in good faith. And, even as a non-editor, it seems to me that not capitalizing God is not the same as using the made-up, purposely insulting term "rethuglicans".
I disagree. Given context of the premise it is purposefully insulting to not capitalize God in this context. Ignorance is no excuse because if you really want to have a good-faith discussion you should do a bare minimum of research. You’re completely full of shit and trying to stir the pot under a guise of civility.
Well, clearly pp is not being civil. I sure hope this is not the editor.
It is me, the editor. I don’t care whether or not you think I am being civil. I called out OP for posing a question in bad faith. The premise is rejected. You can’t act in bad faith and demand civility and clutch pearls that others don’t abide by your parameters. OP got called out. OP can sit down now.
I am the OP, and I did not post this question in bad faith. You made that up with no evidence and you are 100% wrong.
I do fully understand how you might reject the premise since you don’t seem to have a good answer to it.
My post speaks for itself, as do yours.
DP. Gawd DCUM’s atheists are boring and uncreative. In your post you simply recapped what you or someone else has been pushing for a few weeks, that the god of monotheists/people of the book is the same as Zeus. (And yes I too clocked the lower-case God in reference to a specific God not a generic god.) Nobody bothered to answer something so childish so you thought you’d try to start a thread about it. Yawn Zzzzzzzzz.
No. You are dishonest. I asked if it was offensive to compare them and why. I also asked if people viewed one god as mythical but not another and why.
If you are bored, stay out of the discussion please. Your white noise and lies will not deter an interesting conversation.
No, using the word “compare” doesn’t paper over your bad faith intent, as evidenced by your lack of capitalization as someone else pointed out. If you think you’re convincing us otherwise, either you have no respect for your readers’ intelligence or you just don’t get it yourself.
Anyway, thanks for treating us to yet another of your ad hominem-ridden, stiffly self-important screeds.
Whether it's insulting to use the upper case or lower case "G/g" when discussing God/god is another thread, right? I understand how some do consider it disrespectful. But the reason it's done is that some posters, including myself, don't venerate one particular god over the others. There are so many. So explain if you would why the upper case should always be used. Isn't it an open question whether there is only one "God" or many "gods".
DP: This is simple grammar actually, not religion. Capitalize the names of gods: Zeus, Yahweh, Allah, God, etc. When referring to them as a collective noun or a nonspecific deity, then god is appropriate.
OK. Let's do that then. But what of people who speak of this one amorphous undefined "one true God"? I don't know what that is.
Anonymous wrote:Depends on context. If I’m talking to a group of believers, I would never use a term like that. It upsets people for no good purpose. If we’re having a comparative religion conversation, I would say “Christianity does this, Islam does that, and in Roman mythology they said xyz”. I’m not sure adding the phrase “mythical” to a deity humans living today actually believe in ever enhanced any conversation.
+1. If the question here is about whether OP is arguing in bad faith, then case closed. She is arguing in bad faith, because she repeatedly uses lower-case "god" and calls religion "mythical," both things that she knows insult living humans who actually believe.
? Religion is mythical. What else is it? Answer please.
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