Help! Appeal for MCPS Early Kindergarten

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Back in the 80’s you had to be 5 years old by January 15th in some districts. They changed it to December 31 years later. Most girls moved on but most boys delayed kindergarten fro a year.

Unless your child is in the top 1% which 99% of these children aren’t, it really doesn’t matter

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get why you would want to. It isn’t a rush to finish k-12. Better for her be the smartest in the class than middle of the pack

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You can still be the smartest and one of the younger students. What kid wants to be 18 all of senior year and be the oldest? Someone hast be the oldest, someone has to be the youngest. In HS, with a lot of elective and math classes, the kids are mixed age anyway. Mine will be in an elective with seniors as a freshman.

What? First of all, your premise is wrong…it was great to be one of the very first ones to turn 18 (and 16, and 21…) - that is pretty universally seen as a great thing.

But also, that’s not what we’re talking about here. OP’s kid would turn 17 at the very beginning of senior year, and wouldn’t turn 18 until she’s already moved into college

It’s not great but you tell yourself that. You are lecturing someone with a September kid. I understand all about it. My kid will turn 18 a few week into college. No big deal.

It is universally seen as better to turn 19 a few weeks into college versus 18. Lol.

I actually avoided peers in college who were out of sync with me age-wise. It usually suggested they had different priorities (drinking, jail time, community college).

That’s kind of sad and nonsensical at the same time. Why would you assume their priorities were negative because they didn’t follow the American path?

For European students it’s common to take a gap year. Harvard has about 20% of students taking a gap year. Working for nonprofits, traveling, helping in developing countries in whatever they plan on majoring in like teaching, agriculture, engineering. A lifetime experience .

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get why you would want to. It isn’t a rush to finish k-12. Better for her be the smartest in the class than middle of the pack

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You can still be the smartest and one of the younger students. What kid wants to be 18 all of senior year and be the oldest? Someone hast be the oldest, someone has to be the youngest. In HS, with a lot of elective and math classes, the kids are mixed age anyway. Mine will be in an elective with seniors as a freshman.

What? First of all, your premise is wrong…it was great to be one of the very first ones to turn 18 (and 16, and 21…) - that is pretty universally seen as a great thing.

But also, that’s not what we’re talking about here. OP’s kid would turn 17 at the very beginning of senior year, and wouldn’t turn 18 until she’s already moved into college

It’s not great but you tell yourself that. You are lecturing someone with a September kid. I understand all about it. My kid will turn 18 a few week into college. No big deal.

It is universally seen as better to turn 19 a few weeks into college versus 18. Lol.

I actually avoided peers in college who were out of sync with me age-wise. It usually suggested they had different priorities (drinking, jail time, community college).

That’s kind of sad and nonsensical at the same time. Why would you assume their priorities were negative because they didn’t follow the American path?

For European students it’s common to take a gap year. Harvard has about 20% of students taking a gap year. Working for nonprofits, traveling, helping in developing countries in whatever they plan on majoring in like teaching, agriculture, engineering. A lifetime experience .

We aren't in Europe and gap years are only for rich kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you want to send her early, OP?

She doesn’t want to pay for another year or childcare/ preK

Child will be 5. They should go to K. Why pay for an additional year of preK when child should go to K? She is better off paying for a private K vs. preK if MCPS will not allow child to go.

Well, no…by the cutoff, she will not be 5 and she objectively should not be allowed to go, barring extenuating circumstances…which are not present here.

Child will turn five within a few weeks of starting school. Of course, she should be allowed to go. Are you trying to justify holding back your child by telling others they need to hold back theirs?

…? What? You’re not a very good debater. Is your argument that the cutoff is the cutoff and no one should vary from it, or the opposite? Because if the argument is that the cutoff is a hard cutoff for a reason (such that no one should redshirt a kid whose birthday is in august / only a couple weeks before the cutoff) then the inverse is true; no one should get to jump grades just because their birthday is a few weeks after the cutoff. Did you read the original post?

I don't think any child should be allowed to be held back. If they have special needs or delays that should be more reason to go to K where they can get an IEP and services, especially when those parents holding back often are not having their kids in outside services to catch them up. MCPS has early entry till 10/15 so it's allowable to for OP child to attend K. Yes, I read the OP. I have a child who was in the same situation. I understand it way better than you.

How would you know what parents holding kids back are doing with regards to services out of school? You think IEPs and school services solve all problems?

Most kids who are held back are not receiving private services. The parents justify it as giving them the gift of time, what ever that means, and hoping that they will outgrow what ever the issues are. No, IEPs and school services don't solve all problems but the sooner you catch what ever is going on and provide support, the better off kids will be.

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Anonymous wrote:Go private or homeschool. Public does not want to admit early K kids who are at higher risk for needing to repeat K, having young age-appropriate tantrums and potty accidents, etc. It is all about risk mitigation from their standpoint, they don't know or care that OP's daughter might be a special snowflake exception.

Thats not why. The school are overcrowded in MCPS and they don't want any more kids than absolutely necessary.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you want to send her early, OP?

She doesn’t want to pay for another year or childcare/ preK

Child will be 5. They should go to K. Why pay for an additional year of preK when child should go to K? She is better off paying for a private K vs. preK if MCPS will not allow child to go.

Well, no…by the cutoff, she will not be 5 and she objectively should not be allowed to go, barring extenuating circumstances…which are not present here.

Child will turn five within a few weeks of starting school. Of course, she should be allowed to go. Are you trying to justify holding back your child by telling others they need to hold back theirs?

…? What? You’re not a very good debater. Is your argument that the cutoff is the cutoff and no one should vary from it, or the opposite? Because if the argument is that the cutoff is a hard cutoff for a reason (such that no one should redshirt a kid whose birthday is in august / only a couple weeks before the cutoff) then the inverse is true; no one should get to jump grades just because their birthday is a few weeks after the cutoff. Did you read the original post?

I don't think any child should be allowed to be held back. If they have special needs or delays that should be more reason to go to K where they can get an IEP and services, especially when those parents holding back often are not having their kids in outside services to catch them up. MCPS has early entry till 10/15 so it's allowable to for OP child to attend K. Yes, I read the OP. I have a child who was in the same situation. I understand it way better than you.

How would you know what parents holding kids back are doing with regards to services out of school? You think IEPs and school services solve all problems?

Most kids who are held back are not receiving private services. The parents justify it as giving them the gift of time, what ever that means, and hoping that they will outgrow what ever the issues are. No, IEPs and school services don't solve all problems but the sooner you catch what ever is going on and provide support, the better off kids will be.

You don't know what "most" parents do. You're completely talking out our your ass. My child received private services for OT issues during his toddler/preK years and nobody except my close family knew about it. His birthday is a week before the cutoff and we held him back and never disclosed to the school he had received services. He really did just need time to outgrow his feeding issues and improve his potty skills. K teacher said he was a wonderful student and that she was surprised we had held him back. LOL, little did she know. And little do you know.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a cutoff for a reason, and exceptions should be made for exceptional kids. OP's daughter sounds bright, not not exceptionally so. She wants to be an exception to the exception.

OP daughter is bright enough to go. The exam is arbitrary and most principals don't support it because they know those families will go private for a few years and less kids for them.

Less kids for them? The public schools are plenty full and not in need of students. The exam is there for a reason. If she was bright enough to go she would have passed the test.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you want to send her early, OP?

She doesn’t want to pay for another year or childcare/ preK

Child will be 5. They should go to K. Why pay for an additional year of preK when child should go to K? She is better off paying for a private K vs. preK if MCPS will not allow child to go.

Well, no…by the cutoff, she will not be 5 and she objectively should not be allowed to go, barring extenuating circumstances…which are not present here.

Child will turn five within a few weeks of starting school. Of course, she should be allowed to go. Are you trying to justify holding back your child by telling others they need to hold back theirs?

…? What? You’re not a very good debater. Is your argument that the cutoff is the cutoff and no one should vary from it, or the opposite? Because if the argument is that the cutoff is a hard cutoff for a reason (such that no one should redshirt a kid whose birthday is in august / only a couple weeks before the cutoff) then the inverse is true; no one should get to jump grades just because their birthday is a few weeks after the cutoff. Did you read the original post?

I don't think any child should be allowed to be held back. If they have special needs or delays that should be more reason to go to K where they can get an IEP and services, especially when those parents holding back often are not having their kids in outside services to catch them up. MCPS has early entry till 10/15 so it's allowable to for OP child to attend K. Yes, I read the OP. I have a child who was in the same situation. I understand it way better than you.

How would you know what parents holding kids back are doing with regards to services out of school? You think IEPs and school services solve all problems?

Most kids who are held back are not receiving private services. The parents justify it as giving them the gift of time, what ever that means, and hoping that they will outgrow what ever the issues are. No, IEPs and school services don't solve all problems but the sooner you catch what ever is going on and provide support, the better off kids will be.

You don't know what "most" parents do. You're completely talking out our your ass. My child received private services for OT issues during his toddler/preK years and nobody except my close family knew about it. His birthday is a week before the cutoff and we held him back and never disclosed to the school he had received services. He really did just need time to outgrow his feeding issues and improve his potty skills. K teacher said he was a wonderful student and that she was surprised we had held him back. LOL, little did she know. And little do you know.

My kid was in far more private services than yours. Your probably would have been better off going on time.

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Anonymous wrote:Op, if your child is not even in preK at the moment how could you possibly think they are ready for K. There are kids who have had 3 years of academic preK plus the socialization that comes with that...while your kid has been in a daycare. Seems like you didn't really do a lot of research on this as the kids who are admitted early, as many pps note, are surpassing K expectations and harmed if not allowed to start K. This means they can read well likely and are doing low level maths AND have the social and emotional maturity to keep up.

Day care is the same as preschool.

LOL. No.

You don't have much experience with early childhood care facilities if you don't understand there is significant overlap between daycare and preschool for 3-5 year olds. In many cases it is simply a branding strategy for a daycare to call some of its classes preschool.

“Significant overlap” and “the same as” are not the same thing. Sorry. Words have meanings.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get why you would want to. It isn’t a rush to finish k-12. Better for her be the smartest in the class than middle of the pack

+1

You can still be the smartest and one of the younger students. What kid wants to be 18 all of senior year and be the oldest? Someone hast be the oldest, someone has to be the youngest. In HS, with a lot of elective and math classes, the kids are mixed age anyway. Mine will be in an elective with seniors as a freshman.

What? First of all, your premise is wrong…it was great to be one of the very first ones to turn 18 (and 16, and 21…) - that is pretty universally seen as a great thing.

But also, that’s not what we’re talking about here. OP’s kid would turn 17 at the very beginning of senior year, and wouldn’t turn 18 until she’s already moved into college

It’s not great but you tell yourself that. You are lecturing someone with a September kid. I understand all about it. My kid will turn 18 a few week into college. No big deal.

My nephew repeated second grade with a spring birthday. My sister regrets it. He had a terrible time in HS. Getting his license as a freshman was not a good thing. He wanted so much more freedom than he had in hs as a 19 year old.

Did you…….even read the OP? Yikes.

Yikes! Yes I did. Many people are saying it is better to be older. In this case, it was not better. Obviously, it is just one data point.

Being held back is something research has consistently shown to be be harmful to kids. The takeaway from this is that kids should go on time. Not early, not late.

The research you’re talking about is about kids who repeat a grade. Not the same as kids who are redshirted (research has in fact shown benefits to being the oldest)

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Anonymous wrote:There's a cutoff for a reason, and exceptions should be made for exceptional kids. OP's daughter sounds bright, not not exceptionally so. She wants to be an exception to the exception.

OP daughter is bright enough to go. The exam is arbitrary and most principals don't support it because they know those families will go private for a few years and less kids for them.

Clearly not. The tests exists to evaluate this and her kid failed.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you want to send her early, OP?

She doesn’t want to pay for another year or childcare/ preK

Child will be 5. They should go to K. Why pay for an additional year of preK when child should go to K? She is better off paying for a private K vs. preK if MCPS will not allow child to go.

Well, no…by the cutoff, she will not be 5 and she objectively should not be allowed to go, barring extenuating circumstances…which are not present here.

Child will turn five within a few weeks of starting school. Of course, she should be allowed to go. Are you trying to justify holding back your child by telling others they need to hold back theirs?

Nope. Cutoff dates exist and neither OP nor her child are special. She was given the opportunity to test in. She failed. End of story.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you want to send her early, OP?

She doesn’t want to pay for another year or childcare/ preK

Child will be 5. They should go to K. Why pay for an additional year of preK when child should go to K? She is better off paying for a private K vs. preK if MCPS will not allow child to go.

Well, no…by the cutoff, she will not be 5 and she objectively should not be allowed to go, barring extenuating circumstances…which are not present here.

Child will turn five within a few weeks of starting school. Of course, she should be allowed to go. Are you trying to justify holding back your child by telling others they need to hold back theirs?

…? What? You’re not a very good debater. Is your argument that the cutoff is the cutoff and no one should vary from it, or the opposite? Because if the argument is that the cutoff is a hard cutoff for a reason (such that no one should redshirt a kid whose birthday is in august / only a couple weeks before the cutoff) then the inverse is true; no one should get to jump grades just because their birthday is a few weeks after the cutoff. Did you read the original post?

I don't think any child should be allowed to be held back. If they have special needs or delays that should be more reason to go to K where they can get an IEP and services, especially when those parents holding back often are not having their kids in outside services to catch them up. MCPS has early entry till 10/15 so it's allowable to for OP child to attend K. Yes, I read the OP. I have a child who was in the same situation. I understand it way better than you.

It’s only allowable to enter early IF the child can pass the test. OP’s child can’t. So she is t eligible to start school early. She will go on time unless her parents choose private.

The test is subjective so the child was probably set up to fail. Hopefully her parents will go private.

Spoken like a hilariously stereotypical DCUM parent.

[Anonymous]

You are being short sighted… do you really want your daughter being a 13 year old high school freshman? 17 year old college freshman?

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you want to send her early, OP?

She doesn’t want to pay for another year or childcare/ preK

Child will be 5. They should go to K. Why pay for an additional year of preK when child should go to K? She is better off paying for a private K vs. preK if MCPS will not allow child to go.

Well, no…by the cutoff, she will not be 5 and she objectively should not be allowed to go, barring extenuating circumstances…which are not present here.

Child will turn five within a few weeks of starting school. Of course, she should be allowed to go. Are you trying to justify holding back your child by telling others they need to hold back theirs?

…? What? You’re not a very good debater. Is your argument that the cutoff is the cutoff and no one should vary from it, or the opposite? Because if the argument is that the cutoff is a hard cutoff for a reason (such that no one should redshirt a kid whose birthday is in august / only a couple weeks before the cutoff) then the inverse is true; no one should get to jump grades just because their birthday is a few weeks after the cutoff. Did you read the original post?

I don't think any child should be allowed to be held back. If they have special needs or delays that should be more reason to go to K where they can get an IEP and services, especially when those parents holding back often are not having their kids in outside services to catch them up. MCPS has early entry till 10/15 so it's allowable to for OP child to attend K. Yes, I read the OP. I have a child who was in the same situation. I understand it way better than you.

How would you know what parents holding kids back are doing with regards to services out of school? You think IEPs and school services solve all problems?

Most kids who are held back are not receiving private services. The parents justify it as giving them the gift of time, what ever that means, and hoping that they will outgrow what ever the issues are. No, IEPs and school services don't solve all problems but the sooner you catch what ever is going on and provide support, the better off kids will be.

You don't know what "most" parents do. You're completely talking out our your ass. My child received private services for OT issues during his toddler/preK years and nobody except my close family knew about it. His birthday is a week before the cutoff and we held him back and never disclosed to the school he had received services. He really did just need time to outgrow his feeding issues and improve his potty skills. K teacher said he was a wonderful student and that she was surprised we had held him back. LOL, little did she know. And little do you know.

My kid was in far more private services than yours. Your probably would have been better off going on time.

You are in no way qualified to know what kids you’ve never met need. But nice try.