Yorktown vs WL — Ranking vs word on street

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Anonymous wrote:A kid w a 4.3 at Yorktown can’t get into uva anymore?

Nope, unless they have a hook (sport’s recruit, URM, first time college in family, etc)

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This is important to remember: transferring into IB (supposedly) requires you to take full IB. No picky-choosey like kids zoned for WL. This is a policy, IMO, APS needs to change.

NP whose Yorktown-zoned child wants to apply for IB next year. How would you change it? Either let the YT/Wakefield kids stay even if they don't do full IB, or make it so W-L kids can't dabble in IB, they either do it or not?

I would change it so they either do it or don't, same as everyone, since it's a program within a school. Letting everyone dabble in it, just defeats the purpose. But who will make this change?

Letting people "dabble" actually helps the program because they can offer a wider range of IB electives. If they limited access to only diploma students they would have electives with only a few students signing up and then they wouldn't offer them.

I believe that due to the extremely large number of high school students in this county, and the popularity of the IB program, they would easily fill, if they asked students to fully commit (perhaps at the latest by the start of grade 10) and decide to be "in or out".

I agree. If IB were established as its own option program, the typical high-pressure-expectations Arlington parents would be all over it like they are HBW. It would become an elite option school. But on second thought as I write this, the major obstacle to that happening would be the lack of extracurriculars. Parents expect their kids to be able to do and have it all. Separating IB from WL per se would disconnect their students from WL athletics. That's one of the problems Arlington Tech has now - students want to do activities AT doesn't offer (band) and it's too much of a hassle to go back to the home school for sports.

I don’t think APS is too keen on creating elite option schools. HBW became one due to its small size, but that wasn’t on purpose. Arlington Tech was purposefully not designed as an elite STEM school with admissions testing. A small elite IB option school would likely create division between the “dregs of humanity” at the neighborhood schools and the highly motivated academic stars at the elite IB option school. Also, would a small IB option school be able to offer the same number of IB electives?

Don't know and don't care. So what if the # of electives goes down? They still have their IB program and diploma. Option programs are choices and choices just might mean "choosing" to do without something else.

There's no point in creating this elite school if it doesn't attract a sizable number if kids away from the more crowded schools.

[b]I think some PPs here overestimate the interest in the IB diploma. It is A LOT of work and the number of kids who actually complete the diploma isn't actually that large.

+1 And, anyway, I thought with the W-L addition they let in all the transfers that applied last year? And kids only have to take 3 classes per year to stay, not the whole thing.

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This is important to remember: transferring into IB (supposedly) requires you to take full IB. No picky-choosey like kids zoned for WL. This is a policy, IMO, APS needs to change.

NP whose Yorktown-zoned child wants to apply for IB next year. How would you change it? Either let the YT/Wakefield kids stay even if they don't do full IB, or make it so W-L kids can't dabble in IB, they either do it or not?

I would change it so they either do it or don't, same as everyone, since it's a program within a school. Letting everyone dabble in it, just defeats the purpose. [b] But who will make this change?

Letting people "dabble" actually helps the program because they can offer a wider range of IB electives. If they limited access to only diploma students they would have electives with only a few students signing up and then they wouldn't offer them.

I believe that due to the extremely large number of high school students in this county, and the popularity of the IB program, they would easily fill, if they asked students to fully commit (perhaps at the latest by the start of grade 10) and decide to be "in or out".

I agree. If IB were established as its own option program, the typical high-pressure-expectations Arlington parents would be all over it like they are HBW. It would become an elite option school. But on second thought as I write this, the major obstacle to that happening would be the lack of extracurriculars. Parents expect their kids to be able to do and have it all. Separating IB from WL per se would disconnect their students from WL athletics. That's one of the problems Arlington Tech has now - students want to do activities AT doesn't offer (band) and it's too much of a hassle to go back to the home school for sports.

I don’t think APS is too keen on creating elite option schools. HBW became one due to its small size, but that wasn’t on purpose. Arlington Tech was purposefully not designed as an elite STEM school with admissions testing. A small elite IB option school would likely create division between the “dregs of humanity” at the neighborhood schools and the highly motivated academic stars at the elite IB option school. Also, would a small IB option school be able to offer the same number of IB electives?

Don't know and don't care. So what if the # of electives goes down? They still have their IB program and diploma. Option programs are choices and choices just might mean "choosing" to do without something else.

There's no point in creating this elite school if it doesn't attract a sizable number if kids away from the more crowded schools.

I think some PPs here overestimate the interest in the IB diploma. It is A LOT of work and the number of kids who actually complete the diploma isn't actually that large.

If the kids are willing to do the work and it’s open to all who qualify, that’s one thing. Otherwise, I agree. By these same rules, I think HB Woodlawn is obscene. Costly and highly rejective, yet not merit based at all. APS should make that program available to all who want it, or do away with it.

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This is important to remember: transferring into IB (supposedly) requires you to take full IB. No picky-choosey like kids zoned for WL. This is a policy, IMO, APS needs to change.

NP whose Yorktown-zoned child wants to apply for IB next year. How would you change it? Either let the YT/Wakefield kids stay even if they don't do full IB, or make it so W-L kids can't dabble in IB, they either do it or not?

I would change it so they either do it or don't, same as everyone, since it's a program within a school. Letting everyone dabble in it, just defeats the purpose. [b] But who will make this change?

Letting people "dabble" actually helps the program because they can offer a wider range of IB electives. If they limited access to only diploma students they would have electives with only a few students signing up and then they wouldn't offer them.

I believe that due to the extremely large number of high school students in this county, and the popularity of the IB program, they would easily fill, if they asked students to fully commit (perhaps at the latest by the start of grade 10) and decide to be "in or out".

I agree. If IB were established as its own option program, the typical high-pressure-expectations Arlington parents would be all over it like they are HBW. It would become an elite option school. But on second thought as I write this, the major obstacle to that happening would be the lack of extracurriculars. Parents expect their kids to be able to do and have it all. Separating IB from WL per se would disconnect their students from WL athletics. That's one of the problems Arlington Tech has now - students want to do activities AT doesn't offer (band) and it's too much of a hassle to go back to the home school for sports.

I don’t think APS is too keen on creating elite option schools. HBW became one due to its small size, but that wasn’t on purpose. Arlington Tech was purposefully not designed as an elite STEM school with admissions testing. A small elite IB option school would likely create division between the “dregs of humanity” at the neighborhood schools and the highly motivated academic stars at the elite IB option school. Also, would a small IB option school be able to offer the same number of IB electives?

Don't know and don't care. So what if the # of electives goes down? They still have their IB program and diploma. Option programs are choices and choices just might mean "choosing" to do without something else.

There's no point in creating this elite school if it doesn't attract a sizable number if kids away from the more crowded schools.

I think some PPs here overestimate the interest in the IB diploma. It is A LOT of work and the number of kids who actually complete the diploma isn't actually that large.

I'm not advocating for an IB program. I'm just saying that if it's going to be offered, it should be its own, actual IB program. If there isn't enough interest to sustain one, don't establish one; or try and if it doesn't draw enough, then eliminate it. Considering there are only approximately 60 IB diplomas issued in a given year, I think the program should be on "table 1" for budget cuts. Thousands of students across the country manage to get in and graduate from fine universities without an IB diploma and even without a single IB class. The way IB is offered in APS is (1) inequitable and (2) not consistent with the actual IB program/curriculum.

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This is important to remember: transferring into IB (supposedly) requires you to take full IB. No picky-choosey like kids zoned for WL. This is a policy, IMO, APS needs to change.

NP whose Yorktown-zoned child wants to apply for IB next year. How would you change it? Either let the YT/Wakefield kids stay even if they don't do full IB, or make it so W-L kids can't dabble in IB, they either do it or not?

I would change it so they either do it or don't, same as everyone, since it's a program within a school. Letting everyone dabble in it, just defeats the purpose. But who will make this change?

Letting people "dabble" actually helps the program because they can offer a wider range of IB electives. If they limited access to only diploma students they would have electives with only a few students signing up and then they wouldn't offer them.

I believe that due to the extremely large number of high school students in this county, and the popularity of the IB program, they would easily fill, if they asked students to fully commit (perhaps at the latest by the start of grade 10) and decide to be "in or out".

I agree. If IB were established as its own option program, the typical high-pressure-expectations Arlington parents would be all over it like they are HBW. It would become an elite option school. But on second thought as I write this, the major obstacle to that happening would be the lack of extracurriculars. Parents expect their kids to be able to do and have it all. Separating IB from WL per se would disconnect their students from WL athletics. That's one of the problems Arlington Tech has now - students want to do activities AT doesn't offer (band) and it's too much of a hassle to go back to the home school for sports.

I don’t think APS is too keen on creating elite option schools. HBW became one due to its small size, but that wasn’t on purpose. Arlington Tech was purposefully not designed as an elite STEM school with admissions testing. A small elite IB option school would likely create division between the “dregs of humanity” at the neighborhood schools and the highly motivated academic stars at the elite IB option school. Also, would a small IB option school be able to offer the same number of IB electives?

Don't know and don't care. So what if the # of electives goes down? They still have their IB program and diploma. Option programs are choices and choices just might mean "choosing" to do without something else.

There's no point in creating this elite school if it doesn't attract a sizable number if kids away from the more crowded schools.

I think some PPs here overestimate the interest in the IB diploma. It is A LOT of work and the number of kids who actually complete the diploma isn't actually that large.

I'm not advocating for an IB program. I'm just saying that if it's going to be offered, it should be its own, actual IB program. If there isn't enough interest to sustain one, don't establish one; or try and if it doesn't draw enough, then eliminate it. Considering there are only approximately 60 IB diplomas issued in a given year, I think the program should be on "table 1" for budget cuts. Thousands of students across the country manage to get in and graduate from fine universities without an IB diploma and even without a single IB class. [b]The way IB is offered in APS is (1) inequitable and (2) not consistent with the actual IB program/curriculum.

There’s no requirement for schools to offer the IB Middle Years Programme to become an IB school. W-L has maintained one of the region’s most successful high school IB programs for 25 years. The schools new addition is allowing all eligible applicants an IB spot at W-L, and perhaps the W-L boundary should further shrink as needed to allow for continued access to all eligible students. Would it be equitable for IB to become an elite option program within W-L like Richard Montgomery HS in Rockville, closed to in-bounds W-L students? I don’t know.

But for now the W-L addition is meeting the needs of both IB and in-bounds neighborhood kids. In 5 years if enrollment continues upward in the south of the county unabated, then IB, HB, and other option programs might be up for debate. But as of now, no one is calling for changes.

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This is important to remember: transferring into IB (supposedly) requires you to take full IB. No picky-choosey like kids zoned for WL. This is a policy, IMO, APS needs to change.

NP whose Yorktown-zoned child wants to apply for IB next year. How would you change it? Either let the YT/Wakefield kids stay even if they don't do full IB, or make it so W-L kids can't dabble in IB, they either do it or not?

I would change it so they either do it or don't, same as everyone, since it's a program within a school. Letting everyone dabble in it, just defeats the purpose. But who will make this change?

Letting people "dabble" actually helps the program because they can offer a wider range of IB electives. If they limited access to only diploma students they would have electives with only a few students signing up and then they wouldn't offer them.

I believe that due to the extremely large number of high school students in this county, and the popularity of the IB program, they would easily fill, if they asked students to fully commit (perhaps at the latest by the start of grade 10) and decide to be "in or out".

I agree. If IB were established as its own option program, the typical high-pressure-expectations Arlington parents would be all over it like they are HBW. It would become an elite option school. But on second thought as I write this, the major obstacle to that happening would be the lack of extracurriculars. Parents expect their kids to be able to do and have it all. Separating IB from WL per se would disconnect their students from WL athletics. That's one of the problems Arlington Tech has now - students want to do activities AT doesn't offer (band) and it's too much of a hassle to go back to the home school for sports.

I don’t think APS is too keen on creating elite option schools. HBW became one due to its small size, but that wasn’t on purpose. Arlington Tech was purposefully not designed as an elite STEM school with admissions testing. A small elite IB option school would likely create division between the “dregs of humanity” at the neighborhood schools and the highly motivated academic stars at the elite IB option school. Also, would a small IB option school be able to offer the same number of IB electives?

Don't know and don't care. So what if the # of electives goes down? They still have their IB program and diploma. Option programs are choices and choices just might mean "choosing" to do without something else.

There's no point in creating this elite school if it doesn't attract a sizable number if kids away from the more crowded schools.

I think some PPs here overestimate the interest in the IB diploma. It is A LOT of work and the number of kids who actually complete the diploma isn't actually that large.

I'm not advocating for an IB program. I'm just saying that if it's going to be offered, it should be its own, actual IB program. If there isn't enough interest to sustain one, don't establish one; or try and if it doesn't draw enough, then eliminate it. Considering there are only approximately 60 IB diplomas issued in a given year, I think the program should be on "table 1" for budget cuts. Thousands of students across the country manage to get in and graduate from fine universities without an IB diploma and even without a single IB class. [b]The way IB is offered in APS is (1) inequitable and (2) not consistent with the actual IB program/curriculum.

There’s no requirement for schools to offer the IB Middle Years Programme to become an IB school. W-L has maintained one of the region’s most successful high school IB programs for 25 years. The schools new addition is allowing all eligible applicants an IB spot at W-L, and perhaps the W-L boundary should further shrink as needed to allow for continued access to all eligible students. Would it be equitable for IB to become an elite option program within W-L like Richard Montgomery HS in Rockville, closed to in-bounds W-L students? I don’t know.

But for now the W-L addition is meeting the needs of both IB and in-bounds neighborhood kids. In 5 years if enrollment continues upward in the south of the county unabated, then IB, HB, and other option programs might be up for debate. But as of now, no one is calling for changes.

This is the problem! It is serving "in-bounds neighborhood kids." IB should absolutely not become "an elite program" within WL that's open only to WL students. That's the whole point I've been trying to make. I don't care where they house the program. If they're going to offer it, it should be a full-time IB program consisting only of full-time IB students from across the county. It should NOT be open to the general WL populace (ie "serve in-bounds neighborhood kids") to take a few classes from in order to enhance their college applications - unless any high school student in any of the other high schools have that same access. My initial use of "elite" was not meant to describe the program, but to suggest how it would be viewed by Arlington parents always seeking the best for their genius children....like how people describe HBW as an "elite" program because it's small and highly coveted.

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This is important to remember: transferring into IB (supposedly) requires you to take full IB. No picky-choosey like kids zoned for WL. This is a policy, IMO, APS needs to change.

NP whose Yorktown-zoned child wants to apply for IB next year. How would you change it? Either let the YT/Wakefield kids stay even if they don't do full IB, or make it so W-L kids can't dabble in IB, they either do it or not?

I would change it so they either do it or don't, same as everyone, since it's a program within a school. Letting everyone dabble in it, just defeats the purpose. But who will make this change?

Letting people "dabble" actually helps the program because they can offer a wider range of IB electives. If they limited access to only diploma students they would have electives with only a few students signing up and then they wouldn't offer them.

I believe that due to the extremely large number of high school students in this county, and the popularity of the IB program, they would easily fill, if they asked students to fully commit (perhaps at the latest by the start of grade 10) and decide to be "in or out".

I agree. If IB were established as its own option program, the typical high-pressure-expectations Arlington parents would be all over it like they are HBW. It would become an elite option school. But on second thought as I write this, the major obstacle to that happening would be the lack of extracurriculars. Parents expect their kids to be able to do and have it all. Separating IB from WL per se would disconnect their students from WL athletics. That's one of the problems Arlington Tech has now - students want to do activities AT doesn't offer (band) and it's too much of a hassle to go back to the home school for sports.

I don’t think APS is too keen on creating elite option schools. HBW became one due to its small size, but that wasn’t on purpose. Arlington Tech was purposefully not designed as an elite STEM school with admissions testing. A small elite IB option school would likely create division between the “dregs of humanity” at the neighborhood schools and the highly motivated academic stars at the elite IB option school. Also, would a small IB option school be able to offer the same number of IB electives?

Don't know and don't care. So what if the # of electives goes down? They still have their IB program and diploma. Option programs are choices and choices just might mean "choosing" to do without something else.

There's no point in creating this elite school if it doesn't attract a sizable number if kids away from the more crowded schools.

I think some PPs here overestimate the interest in the IB diploma. It is A LOT of work and the number of kids who actually complete the diploma isn't actually that large.

I'm not advocating for an IB program. I'm just saying that if it's going to be offered, it should be its own, actual IB program. If there isn't enough interest to sustain one, don't establish one; or try and if it doesn't draw enough, then eliminate it. Considering there are only approximately 60 IB diplomas issued in a given year, I think the program should be on "table 1" for budget cuts. Thousands of students across the country manage to get in and graduate from fine universities without an IB diploma and even without a single IB class. [b]The way IB is offered in APS is (1) inequitable and (2) not consistent with the actual IB program/curriculum.

There’s no requirement for schools to offer the IB Middle Years Programme to become an IB school. W-L has maintained one of the region’s most successful high school IB programs for 25 years. The schools new addition is allowing all eligible applicants an IB spot at W-L, and perhaps the W-L boundary should further shrink as needed to allow for continued access to all eligible students. Would it be equitable for IB to become an elite option program within W-L like Richard Montgomery HS in Rockville, closed to in-bounds W-L students? I don’t know.

But for now the W-L addition is meeting the needs of both IB and in-bounds neighborhood kids. In 5 years if enrollment continues upward in the south of the county unabated, then IB, HB, and other option programs might be up for debate. But as of now, no one is calling for changes.

This is the problem! It is serving "in-bounds neighborhood kids." IB should absolutely not become "an elite program" within WL that's open only to WL students. That's the whole point I've been trying to make. I don't care where they house the program. If they're going to offer it, it should be a full-time IB program consisting only of full-time IB students from across the county. It should NOT be open to the general WL populace (ie "serve in-bounds neighborhood kids") to take a few classes from in order to enhance their college applications - unless any high school student in any of the other high schools have that same access. My initial use of "elite" was not meant to describe the program, but to suggest how it would be viewed by Arlington parents always seeking the best for their genius children....like how people describe HBW as an "elite" program because it's small and highly coveted.

You may have a point but no one really sees it as a problem to be solved or an equity problem that needs to be addressed. High schools in FCPS have unique academy programs open to in bounds and out of bounds students. BCC HS in Montgomery county is similar to W-L with both IB and AP for its in bounds students. Arlington is not an outlier.

If more and more people are bothered by the current IB setup then maybe Arlington could adopt something like the MCPS down county consortium where students rank where they would like to attend high school. Most students get either their first or second choices. The high schools in the dcc all have different focuses. Walkability does not factor in to the equation of where students attend.

From reading this forum occasionally over the past few months, it appears that the only people who dislike the current IB setup are some parents in the Yorktown district who believe it gives W-L an unfair advantage, when Yorktown should have the better college acceptances, greater numbers of National Merit scholars, etc, because it’s a wealthier school (re demographics). Comments expressing those views have appeared on this forum over the past year. In my mind that’s not justification for changing the current IB setup.

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This is important to remember: transferring into IB (supposedly) requires you to take full IB. No picky-choosey like kids zoned for WL. This is a policy, IMO, APS needs to change.

NP whose Yorktown-zoned child wants to apply for IB next year. How would you change it? Either let the YT/Wakefield kids stay even if they don't do full IB, or make it so W-L kids can't dabble in IB, they either do it or not?

I would change it so they either do it or don't, same as everyone, since it's a program within a school. Letting everyone dabble in it, just defeats the purpose. But who will make this change?

Letting people "dabble" actually helps the program because they can offer a wider range of IB electives. If they limited access to only diploma students they would have electives with only a few students signing up and then they wouldn't offer them.

I believe that due to the extremely large number of high school students in this county, and the popularity of the IB program, they would easily fill, if they asked students to fully commit (perhaps at the latest by the start of grade 10) and decide to be "in or out".

I agree. If IB were established as its own option program, the typical high-pressure-expectations Arlington parents would be all over it like they are HBW. It would become an elite option school. But on second thought as I write this, the major obstacle to that happening would be the lack of extracurriculars. Parents expect their kids to be able to do and have it all. Separating IB from WL per se would disconnect their students from WL athletics. That's one of the problems Arlington Tech has now - students want to do activities AT doesn't offer (band) and it's too much of a hassle to go back to the home school for sports.

I don’t think APS is too keen on creating elite option schools. HBW became one due to its small size, but that wasn’t on purpose. Arlington Tech was purposefully not designed as an elite STEM school with admissions testing. A small elite IB option school would likely create division between the “dregs of humanity” at the neighborhood schools and the highly motivated academic stars at the elite IB option school. Also, would a small IB option school be able to offer the same number of IB electives?

Don't know and don't care. So what if the # of electives goes down? They still have their IB program and diploma. Option programs are choices and choices just might mean "choosing" to do without something else.

There's no point in creating this elite school if it doesn't attract a sizable number if kids away from the more crowded schools.

I think some PPs here overestimate the interest in the IB diploma. It is A LOT of work and the number of kids who actually complete the diploma isn't actually that large.

I'm not advocating for an IB program. I'm just saying that if it's going to be offered, it should be its own, actual IB program. If there isn't enough interest to sustain one, don't establish one; or try and if it doesn't draw enough, then eliminate it. Considering there are only approximately 60 IB diplomas issued in a given year, I think the program should be on "table 1" for budget cuts. Thousands of students across the country manage to get in and graduate from fine universities without an IB diploma and even without a single IB class. [b]The way IB is offered in APS is (1) inequitable and (2) not consistent with the actual IB program/curriculum.

There’s no requirement for schools to offer the IB Middle Years Programme to become an IB school. W-L has maintained one of the region’s most successful high school IB programs for 25 years. The schools new addition is allowing all eligible applicants an IB spot at W-L, and perhaps the W-L boundary should further shrink as needed to allow for continued access to all eligible students. Would it be equitable for IB to become an elite option program within W-L like Richard Montgomery HS in Rockville, closed to in-bounds W-L students? I don’t know.

But for now the W-L addition is meeting the needs of both IB and in-bounds neighborhood kids. In 5 years if enrollment continues upward in the south of the county unabated, then IB, HB, and other option programs might be up for debate. But as of now, no one is calling for changes.

This is the problem! It is serving "in-bounds neighborhood kids." IB should absolutely not become "an elite program" within WL that's open only to WL students. That's the whole point I've been trying to make. I don't care where they house the program. If they're going to offer it, it should be a full-time IB program consisting only of full-time IB students from across the county. It should NOT be open to the general WL populace (ie "serve in-bounds neighborhood kids") to take a few classes from in order to enhance their college applications - unless any high school student in any of the other high schools have that same access. My initial use of "elite" was not meant to describe the program, but to suggest how it would be viewed by Arlington parents always seeking the best for their genius children....like how people describe HBW as an "elite" program because it's small and highly coveted.

You may have a point but no one really sees it as a problem to be solved or an equity problem that needs to be addressed. High schools in FCPS have unique academy programs open to in bounds and out of bounds students. BCC HS in Montgomery county is similar to W-L with both IB and AP for its in bounds students. Arlington is not an outlier.

If more and more people are bothered by the current IB setup then maybe Arlington could adopt something like the MCPS down county consortium where students rank where they would like to attend high school. Most students get either their first or second choices. The high schools in the dcc all have different focuses. Walkability does not factor in to the equation of where students attend.

From reading this forum occasionally over the past few months, it appears that the only people who dislike the current IB setup are some parents in the Yorktown district who believe it gives W-L an unfair advantage, when Yorktown should have the better college acceptances, greater numbers of National Merit scholars, etc, because it’s a wealthier school (re demographics). Comments expressing those views have appeared on this forum over the past year. In my mind that’s not justification for changing the current IB setup.

It isn't just yorktown parents.

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This is important to remember: transferring into IB (supposedly) requires you to take full IB. No picky-choosey like kids zoned for WL. This is a policy, IMO, APS needs to change.

NP whose Yorktown-zoned child wants to apply for IB next year. How would you change it? Either let the YT/Wakefield kids stay even if they don't do full IB, or make it so W-L kids can't dabble in IB, they either do it or not?

I would change it so they either do it or don't, same as everyone, since it's a program within a school. Letting everyone dabble in it, just defeats the purpose. But who will make this change?

Letting people "dabble" actually helps the program because they can offer a wider range of IB electives. If they limited access to only diploma students they would have electives with only a few students signing up and then they wouldn't offer them.

I believe that due to the extremely large number of high school students in this county, and the popularity of the IB program, they would easily fill, if they asked students to fully commit (perhaps at the latest by the start of grade 10) and decide to be "in or out".

I agree. If IB were established as its own option program, the typical high-pressure-expectations Arlington parents would be all over it like they are HBW. It would become an elite option school. But on second thought as I write this, the major obstacle to that happening would be the lack of extracurriculars. Parents expect their kids to be able to do and have it all. Separating IB from WL per se would disconnect their students from WL athletics. That's one of the problems Arlington Tech has now - students want to do activities AT doesn't offer (band) and it's too much of a hassle to go back to the home school for sports.

I don’t think APS is too keen on creating elite option schools. HBW became one due to its small size, but that wasn’t on purpose. Arlington Tech was purposefully not designed as an elite STEM school with admissions testing. A small elite IB option school would likely create division between the “dregs of humanity” at the neighborhood schools and the highly motivated academic stars at the elite IB option school. Also, would a small IB option school be able to offer the same number of IB electives?

Don't know and don't care. So what if the # of electives goes down? They still have their IB program and diploma. Option programs are choices and choices just might mean "choosing" to do without something else.

There's no point in creating this elite school if it doesn't attract a sizable number if kids away from the more crowded schools.

I think some PPs here overestimate the interest in the IB diploma. It is A LOT of work and the number of kids who actually complete the diploma isn't actually that large.

I'm not advocating for an IB program. I'm just saying that if it's going to be offered, it should be its own, actual IB program. If there isn't enough interest to sustain one, don't establish one; or try and if it doesn't draw enough, then eliminate it. Considering there are only approximately 60 IB diplomas issued in a given year, I think the program should be on "table 1" for budget cuts. Thousands of students across the country manage to get in and graduate from fine universities without an IB diploma and even without a single IB class. [b]The way IB is offered in APS is (1) inequitable and (2) not consistent with the actual IB program/curriculum.

There’s no requirement for schools to offer the IB Middle Years Programme to become an IB school. W-L has maintained one of the region’s most successful high school IB programs for 25 years. The schools new addition is allowing all eligible applicants an IB spot at W-L, and perhaps the W-L boundary should further shrink as needed to allow for continued access to all eligible students. Would it be equitable for IB to become an elite option program within W-L like Richard Montgomery HS in Rockville, closed to in-bounds W-L students? I don’t know.

But for now the W-L addition is meeting the needs of both IB and in-bounds neighborhood kids. In 5 years if enrollment continues upward in the south of the county unabated, then IB, HB, and other option programs might be up for debate. But as of now, no one is calling for changes.

This is the problem! It is serving "in-bounds neighborhood kids." IB should absolutely not become "an elite program" within WL that's open only to WL students. That's the whole point I've been trying to make. I don't care where they house the program. If they're going to offer it, it should be a full-time IB program consisting only of full-time IB students from across the county. It should NOT be open to the general WL populace (ie "serve in-bounds neighborhood kids") to take a few classes from in order to enhance their college applications - unless any high school student in any of the other high schools have that same access. My initial use of "elite" was not meant to describe the program, but to suggest how it would be viewed by Arlington parents always seeking the best for their genius children....like how people describe HBW as an "elite" program because it's small and highly coveted.

I don't think this is a problem. At least, unlike HB, if you really want your kid to go there (but you don't want them to do the full diploma or you don't get in through the lottery), you can move in bounds.

But I don't see many people actually complaining about this. I think this is a made up "issue."

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This is important to remember: transferring into IB (supposedly) requires you to take full IB. No picky-choosey like kids zoned for WL. This is a policy, IMO, APS needs to change.

NP whose Yorktown-zoned child wants to apply for IB next year. How would you change it? Either let the YT/Wakefield kids stay even if they don't do full IB, or make it so W-L kids can't dabble in IB, they either do it or not?

I would change it so they either do it or don't, same as everyone, since it's a program within a school. Letting everyone dabble in it, just defeats the purpose. But who will make this change?

Letting people "dabble" actually helps the program because they can offer a wider range of IB electives. If they limited access to only diploma students they would have electives with only a few students signing up and then they wouldn't offer them.

I believe that due to the extremely large number of high school students in this county, and the popularity of the IB program, they would easily fill, if they asked students to fully commit (perhaps at the latest by the start of grade 10) and decide to be "in or out".

I agree. If IB were established as its own option program, the typical high-pressure-expectations Arlington parents would be all over it like they are HBW. It would become an elite option school. But on second thought as I write this, the major obstacle to that happening would be the lack of extracurriculars. Parents expect their kids to be able to do and have it all. Separating IB from WL per se would disconnect their students from WL athletics. That's one of the problems Arlington Tech has now - students want to do activities AT doesn't offer (band) and it's too much of a hassle to go back to the home school for sports.

I don’t think APS is too keen on creating elite option schools. HBW became one due to its small size, but that wasn’t on purpose. Arlington Tech was purposefully not designed as an elite STEM school with admissions testing. A small elite IB option school would likely create division between the “dregs of humanity” at the neighborhood schools and the highly motivated academic stars at the elite IB option school. Also, would a small IB option school be able to offer the same number of IB electives?

Don't know and don't care. So what if the # of electives goes down? They still have their IB program and diploma. Option programs are choices and choices just might mean "choosing" to do without something else.

There's no point in creating this elite school if it doesn't attract a sizable number if kids away from the more crowded schools.

I think some PPs here overestimate the interest in the IB diploma. It is A LOT of work and the number of kids who actually complete the diploma isn't actually that large.

I'm not advocating for an IB program. I'm just saying that if it's going to be offered, it should be its own, actual IB program. If there isn't enough interest to sustain one, don't establish one; or try and if it doesn't draw enough, then eliminate it. Considering there are only approximately 60 IB diplomas issued in a given year, I think the program should be on "table 1" for budget cuts. Thousands of students across the country manage to get in and graduate from fine universities without an IB diploma and even without a single IB class. [b]The way IB is offered in APS is (1) inequitable and (2) not consistent with the actual IB program/curriculum.

There’s no requirement for schools to offer the IB Middle Years Programme to become an IB school. W-L has maintained one of the region’s most successful high school IB programs for 25 years. The schools new addition is allowing all eligible applicants an IB spot at W-L, and perhaps the W-L boundary should further shrink as needed to allow for continued access to all eligible students. Would it be equitable for IB to become an elite option program within W-L like Richard Montgomery HS in Rockville, closed to in-bounds W-L students? I don’t know.

But for now the W-L addition is meeting the needs of both IB and in-bounds neighborhood kids. In 5 years if enrollment continues upward in the south of the county unabated, then IB, HB, and other option programs might be up for debate. But as of now, no one is calling for changes.

This is the problem! It is serving "in-bounds neighborhood kids." IB should absolutely not become "an elite program" within WL that's open only to WL students. That's the whole point I've been trying to make. I don't care where they house the program. If they're going to offer it, it should be a full-time IB program consisting only of full-time IB students from across the county. It should NOT be open to the general WL populace (ie "serve in-bounds neighborhood kids") to take a few classes from in order to enhance their college applications - unless any high school student in any of the other high schools have that same access. My initial use of "elite" was not meant to describe the program, but to suggest how it would be viewed by Arlington parents always seeking the best for their genius children....like how people describe HBW as an "elite" program because it's small and highly coveted.

I don't think this is a problem. At least, unlike HB, if you really want your kid to go there (but you don't want them to do the full diploma or you don't get in through the lottery), you can move in bounds.

But I don't see many people actually complaining about this. I think this is a made up "issue."

I agree. It’s not really an issue apart from a few people on this forum claiming it’s not fair and that Yorktown should have better stats than W-L etc. Moreover maybe it’s good that some of the most disadvantaged kids in the metro area (who represent a large number of in-bounds W-L students) are exposed to highly motivated students on a daily basis at school, and that they can aspire to take on challenging coursework as they are able. That’s actually an argument for equity right there.

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This is important to remember: transferring into IB (supposedly) requires you to take full IB. No picky-choosey like kids zoned for WL. This is a policy, IMO, APS needs to change.

NP whose Yorktown-zoned child wants to apply for IB next year. How would you change it? Either let the YT/Wakefield kids stay even if they don't do full IB, or make it so W-L kids can't dabble in IB, they either do it or not?

I would change it so they either do it or don't, same as everyone, since it's a program within a school. Letting everyone dabble in it, just defeats the purpose. But who will make this change?

Letting people "dabble" actually helps the program because they can offer a wider range of IB electives. If they limited access to only diploma students they would have electives with only a few students signing up and then they wouldn't offer them.

I believe that due to the extremely large number of high school students in this county, and the popularity of the IB program, they would easily fill, if they asked students to fully commit (perhaps at the latest by the start of grade 10) and decide to be "in or out".

I agree. If IB were established as its own option program, the typical high-pressure-expectations Arlington parents would be all over it like they are HBW. It would become an elite option school. But on second thought as I write this, the major obstacle to that happening would be the lack of extracurriculars. Parents expect their kids to be able to do and have it all. Separating IB from WL per se would disconnect their students from WL athletics. That's one of the problems Arlington Tech has now - students want to do activities AT doesn't offer (band) and it's too much of a hassle to go back to the home school for sports.

I don’t think APS is too keen on creating elite option schools. HBW became one due to its small size, but that wasn’t on purpose. Arlington Tech was purposefully not designed as an elite STEM school with admissions testing. A small elite IB option school would likely create division between the “dregs of humanity” at the neighborhood schools and the highly motivated academic stars at the elite IB option school. Also, would a small IB option school be able to offer the same number of IB electives?

Don't know and don't care. So what if the # of electives goes down? They still have their IB program and diploma. Option programs are choices and choices just might mean "choosing" to do without something else.

There's no point in creating this elite school if it doesn't attract a sizable number if kids away from the more crowded schools.

I think some PPs here overestimate the interest in the IB diploma. It is A LOT of work and the number of kids who actually complete the diploma isn't actually that large.

I'm not advocating for an IB program. I'm just saying that if it's going to be offered, it should be its own, actual IB program. If there isn't enough interest to sustain one, don't establish one; or try and if it doesn't draw enough, then eliminate it. Considering there are only approximately 60 IB diplomas issued in a given year, I think the program should be on "table 1" for budget cuts. Thousands of students across the country manage to get in and graduate from fine universities without an IB diploma and even without a single IB class. [b]The way IB is offered in APS is (1) inequitable and (2) not consistent with the actual IB program/curriculum.

There’s no requirement for schools to offer the IB Middle Years Programme to become an IB school. W-L has maintained one of the region’s most successful high school IB programs for 25 years. The schools new addition is allowing all eligible applicants an IB spot at W-L, and perhaps the W-L boundary should further shrink as needed to allow for continued access to all eligible students. Would it be equitable for IB to become an elite option program within W-L like Richard Montgomery HS in Rockville, closed to in-bounds W-L students? I don’t know.

But for now the W-L addition is meeting the needs of both IB and in-bounds neighborhood kids. In 5 years if enrollment continues upward in the south of the county unabated, then IB, HB, and other option programs might be up for debate. But as of now, no one is calling for changes.

This is the problem! It is serving "in-bounds neighborhood kids." IB should absolutely not become "an elite program" within WL that's open only to WL students. That's the whole point I've been trying to make. I don't care where they house the program. If they're going to offer it, it should be a full-time IB program consisting only of full-time IB students from across the county. It should NOT be open to the general WL populace (ie "serve in-bounds neighborhood kids") to take a few classes from in order to enhance their college applications - unless any high school student in any of the other high schools have that same access. My initial use of "elite" was not meant to describe the program, but to suggest how it would be viewed by Arlington parents always seeking the best for their genius children....like how people describe HBW as an "elite" program because it's small and highly coveted.

I don't think this is a problem. At least, unlike HB, if you really want your kid to go there (but you don't want them to do the full diploma or you don't get in through the lottery), you can move in bounds.

But I don't see many people actually complaining about this. I think this is a made up "issue."

I agree. It’s not really an issue apart from a few people on this forum claiming it’s not fair and that Yorktown should have better stats than W-L etc. Moreover maybe it’s good that some of the most disadvantaged kids in the metro area (who represent a large number of in-bounds W-L students) are exposed to highly motivated students on a daily basis at school, and that they can aspire to take on challenging coursework as they are able. That’s actually an argument for equity right there.

I think your point has merit. My DD is at W-L and is a top student. She always gets assigned groups for group projects with smart kids who don't speak English at home. They are motivated but missing the ease with English that DD has. It's been really interesting to hear her experience, and I think, beneficial for everyone in one way or another.

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This is important to remember: transferring into IB (supposedly) requires you to take full IB. No picky-choosey like kids zoned for WL. This is a policy, IMO, APS needs to change.

NP whose Yorktown-zoned child wants to apply for IB next year. How would you change it? Either let the YT/Wakefield kids stay even if they don't do full IB, or make it so W-L kids can't dabble in IB, they either do it or not?

I would change it so they either do it or don't, same as everyone, since it's a program within a school. Letting everyone dabble in it, just defeats the purpose. But who will make this change?

Letting people "dabble" actually helps the program because they can offer a wider range of IB electives. If they limited access to only diploma students they would have electives with only a few students signing up and then they wouldn't offer them.

I believe that due to the extremely large number of high school students in this county, and the popularity of the IB program, they would easily fill, if they asked students to fully commit (perhaps at the latest by the start of grade 10) and decide to be "in or out".

I agree. If IB were established as its own option program, the typical high-pressure-expectations Arlington parents would be all over it like they are HBW. It would become an elite option school. But on second thought as I write this, the major obstacle to that happening would be the lack of extracurriculars. Parents expect their kids to be able to do and have it all. Separating IB from WL per se would disconnect their students from WL athletics. That's one of the problems Arlington Tech has now - students want to do activities AT doesn't offer (band) and it's too much of a hassle to go back to the home school for sports.

I don’t think APS is too keen on creating elite option schools. HBW became one due to its small size, but that wasn’t on purpose. Arlington Tech was purposefully not designed as an elite STEM school with admissions testing. A small elite IB option school would likely create division between the “dregs of humanity” at the neighborhood schools and the highly motivated academic stars at the elite IB option school. Also, would a small IB option school be able to offer the same number of IB electives?

Don't know and don't care. So what if the # of electives goes down? They still have their IB program and diploma. Option programs are choices and choices just might mean "choosing" to do without something else.

There's no point in creating this elite school if it doesn't attract a sizable number if kids away from the more crowded schools.

I think some PPs here overestimate the interest in the IB diploma. It is A LOT of work and the number of kids who actually complete the diploma isn't actually that large.

I'm not advocating for an IB program. I'm just saying that if it's going to be offered, it should be its own, actual IB program. If there isn't enough interest to sustain one, don't establish one; or try and if it doesn't draw enough, then eliminate it. Considering there are only approximately 60 IB diplomas issued in a given year, I think the program should be on "table 1" for budget cuts. Thousands of students across the country manage to get in and graduate from fine universities without an IB diploma and even without a single IB class. [b]The way IB is offered in APS is (1) inequitable and (2) not consistent with the actual IB program/curriculum.

There’s no requirement for schools to offer the IB Middle Years Programme to become an IB school. W-L has maintained one of the region’s most successful high school IB programs for 25 years. The schools new addition is allowing all eligible applicants an IB spot at W-L, and perhaps the W-L boundary should further shrink as needed to allow for continued access to all eligible students. Would it be equitable for IB to become an elite option program within W-L like Richard Montgomery HS in Rockville, closed to in-bounds W-L students? I don’t know.

But for now the W-L addition is meeting the needs of both IB and in-bounds neighborhood kids. In 5 years if enrollment continues upward in the south of the county unabated, then IB, HB, and other option programs might be up for debate. But as of now, no one is calling for changes.

This is the problem! It is serving "in-bounds neighborhood kids." IB should absolutely not become "an elite program" within WL that's open only to WL students. That's the whole point I've been trying to make. I don't care where they house the program. If they're going to offer it, it should be a full-time IB program consisting only of full-time IB students from across the county. It should NOT be open to the general WL populace (ie "serve in-bounds neighborhood kids") to take a few classes from in order to enhance their college applications - unless any high school student in any of the other high schools have that same access. My initial use of "elite" was not meant to describe the program, but to suggest how it would be viewed by Arlington parents always seeking the best for their genius children....like how people describe HBW as an "elite" program because it's small and highly coveted.

I don't think this is a problem. At least, unlike HB, if you really want your kid to go there (but you don't want them to do the full diploma or you don't get in through the lottery), you can move in bounds.

But I don't see many people actually complaining about this. I think this is a made up "issue."

I agree. It’s not really an issue apart from a few people on this forum claiming it’s not fair and that Yorktown should have better stats than W-L etc. Moreover maybe it’s good that some of the most disadvantaged kids in the metro area (who represent a large number of in-bounds W-L students) are exposed to highly motivated students on a daily basis at school, and that they can aspire to take on challenging coursework as they are able. That’s actually an argument for equity right there.

It seems like that would be the argument for making Wakefield the high school that has both AP and IB.

The W-L community has always had an outsized influence on APS and the residents are very good at justifying why the school receives preferential treatment relative to Yorktown and Wakefield. Then they turn around and say it’s a non-issue that no one really cares about.

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This is important to remember: transferring into IB (supposedly) requires you to take full IB. No picky-choosey like kids zoned for WL. This is a policy, IMO, APS needs to change.

NP whose Yorktown-zoned child wants to apply for IB next year. How would you change it? Either let the YT/Wakefield kids stay even if they don't do full IB, or make it so W-L kids can't dabble in IB, they either do it or not?

I would change it so they either do it or don't, same as everyone, since it's a program within a school. Letting everyone dabble in it, just defeats the purpose. But who will make this change?

Letting people "dabble" actually helps the program because they can offer a wider range of IB electives. If they limited access to only diploma students they would have electives with only a few students signing up and then they wouldn't offer them.

I believe that due to the extremely large number of high school students in this county, and the popularity of the IB program, they would easily fill, if they asked students to fully commit (perhaps at the latest by the start of grade 10) and decide to be "in or out".

Exactly!!!!

I agree. If IB were established as its own option program, the typical high-pressure-expectations Arlington parents would be all over it like they are HBW. It would become an elite option school. But on second thought as I write this, the major obstacle to that happening would be the lack of extracurriculars. Parents expect their kids to be able to do and have it all. Separating IB from WL per se would disconnect their students from WL athletics. That's one of the problems Arlington Tech has now - students want to do activities AT doesn't offer (band) and it's too much of a hassle to go back to the home school for sports.

I don’t think APS is too keen on creating elite option schools. HBW became one due to its small size, but that wasn’t on purpose. Arlington Tech was purposefully not designed as an elite STEM school with admissions testing. A small elite IB option school would likely create division between the “dregs of humanity” at the neighborhood schools and the highly motivated academic stars at the elite IB option school. Also, would a small IB option school be able to offer the same number of IB electives?

Don't know and don't care. So what if the # of electives goes down? They still have their IB program and diploma. Option programs are choices and choices just might mean "choosing" to do without something else.

There's no point in creating this elite school if it doesn't attract a sizable number if kids away from the more crowded schools.

I think some PPs here overestimate the interest in the IB diploma. It is A LOT of work and the number of kids who actually complete the diploma isn't actually that large.

I'm not advocating for an IB program. I'm just saying that if it's going to be offered, it should be its own, actual IB program. If there isn't enough interest to sustain one, don't establish one; or try and if it doesn't draw enough, then eliminate it. Considering there are only approximately 60 IB diplomas issued in a given year, I think the program should be on "table 1" for budget cuts. Thousands of students across the country manage to get in and graduate from fine universities without an IB diploma and even without a single IB class. [b]The way IB is offered in APS is (1) inequitable and (2) not consistent with the actual IB program/curriculum.

There’s no requirement for schools to offer the IB Middle Years Programme to become an IB school. W-L has maintained one of the region’s most successful high school IB programs for 25 years. The schools new addition is allowing all eligible applicants an IB spot at W-L, and perhaps the W-L boundary should further shrink as needed to allow for continued access to all eligible students. Would it be equitable for IB to become an elite option program within W-L like Richard Montgomery HS in Rockville, closed to in-bounds W-L students? I don’t know.

But for now the W-L addition is meeting the needs of both IB and in-bounds neighborhood kids. In 5 years if enrollment continues upward in the south of the county unabated, then IB, HB, and other option programs might be up for debate. But as of now, no one is calling for changes.

This is the problem! It is serving "in-bounds neighborhood kids." IB should absolutely not become "an elite program" within WL that's open only to WL students. That's the whole point I've been trying to make. I don't care where they house the program. If they're going to offer it, it should be a full-time IB program consisting only of full-time IB students from across the county. It should NOT be open to the general WL populace (ie "serve in-bounds neighborhood kids") to take a few classes from in order to enhance their college applications - unless any high school student in any of the other high schools have that same access. My initial use of "elite" was not meant to describe the program, but to suggest how it would be viewed by Arlington parents always seeking the best for their genius children....like how people describe HBW as an "elite" program because it's small and highly coveted.

I don't think this is a problem. At least, unlike HB, if you really want your kid to go there (but you don't want them to do the full diploma or you don't get in through the lottery), you can move in bounds.

But I don't see many people actually complaining about this. I think this is a made up "issue."

I agree. It’s not really an issue apart from a few people on this forum claiming it’s not fair and that Yorktown should have better stats than W-L etc. Moreover maybe it’s good that some of the most disadvantaged kids in the metro area (who represent a large number of in-bounds W-L students) are exposed to highly motivated students on a daily basis at school, and that they can aspire to take on challenging coursework as they are able. That’s actually an argument for equity right there.

It seems like that would be the argument for making Wakefield the high school that has both AP and IB.

The W-L community has always had an outsized influence on APS and the residents are very good at justifying why the school receives preferential treatment relative to Yorktown and Wakefield. Then they turn around and say it’s a non-issue that no one really cares about.

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This is important to remember: transferring into IB (supposedly) requires you to take full IB. No picky-choosey like kids zoned for WL. This is a policy, IMO, APS needs to change.

NP whose Yorktown-zoned child wants to apply for IB next year. How would you change it? Either let the YT/Wakefield kids stay even if they don't do full IB, or make it so W-L kids can't dabble in IB, they either do it or not?

I would change it so they either do it or don't, same as everyone, since it's a program within a school. Letting everyone dabble in it, just defeats the purpose. But who will make this change?

Letting people "dabble" actually helps the program because they can offer a wider range of IB electives. If they limited access to only diploma students they would have electives with only a few students signing up and then they wouldn't offer them.

I believe that due to the extremely large number of high school students in this county, and the popularity of the IB program, they would easily fill, if they asked students to fully commit (perhaps at the latest by the start of grade 10) and decide to be "in or out".

I agree. If IB were established as its own option program, the typical high-pressure-expectations Arlington parents would be all over it like they are HBW. It would become an elite option school. But on second thought as I write this, the major obstacle to that happening would be the lack of extracurriculars. Parents expect their kids to be able to do and have it all. Separating IB from WL per se would disconnect their students from WL athletics. That's one of the problems Arlington Tech has now - students want to do activities AT doesn't offer (band) and it's too much of a hassle to go back to the home school for sports.

I don’t think APS is too keen on creating elite option schools. HBW became one due to its small size, but that wasn’t on purpose. Arlington Tech was purposefully not designed as an elite STEM school with admissions testing. A small elite IB option school would likely create division between the “dregs of humanity” at the neighborhood schools and the highly motivated academic stars at the elite IB option school. Also, would a small IB option school be able to offer the same number of IB electives?

Don't know and don't care. So what if the # of electives goes down? They still have their IB program and diploma. Option programs are choices and choices just might mean "choosing" to do without something else.

There's no point in creating this elite school if it doesn't attract a sizable number if kids away from the more crowded schools.

I think some PPs here overestimate the interest in the IB diploma. It is A LOT of work and the number of kids who actually complete the diploma isn't actually that large.

I'm not advocating for an IB program. I'm just saying that if it's going to be offered, it should be its own, actual IB program. If there isn't enough interest to sustain one, don't establish one; or try and if it doesn't draw enough, then eliminate it. Considering there are only approximately 60 IB diplomas issued in a given year, I think the program should be on "table 1" for budget cuts. Thousands of students across the country manage to get in and graduate from fine universities without an IB diploma and even without a single IB class. [b]The way IB is offered in APS is (1) inequitable and (2) not consistent with the actual IB program/curriculum.

There’s no requirement for schools to offer the IB Middle Years Programme to become an IB school. W-L has maintained one of the region’s most successful high school IB programs for 25 years. The schools new addition is allowing all eligible applicants an IB spot at W-L, and perhaps the W-L boundary should further shrink as needed to allow for continued access to all eligible students. Would it be equitable for IB to become an elite option program within W-L like Richard Montgomery HS in Rockville, closed to in-bounds W-L students? I don’t know.

But for now the W-L addition is meeting the needs of both IB and in-bounds neighborhood kids. In 5 years if enrollment continues upward in the south of the county unabated, then IB, HB, and other option programs might be up for debate. But as of now, no one is calling for changes.

This is the problem! It is serving "in-bounds neighborhood kids." IB should absolutely not become "an elite program" within WL that's open only to WL students. That's the whole point I've been trying to make. I don't care where they house the program. If they're going to offer it, it should be a full-time IB program consisting only of full-time IB students from across the county. It should NOT be open to the general WL populace (ie "serve in-bounds neighborhood kids") to take a few classes from in order to enhance their college applications - unless any high school student in any of the other high schools have that same access. My initial use of "elite" was not meant to describe the program, but to suggest how it would be viewed by Arlington parents always seeking the best for their genius children....like how people describe HBW as an "elite" program because it's small and highly coveted.

I don't think this is a problem. At least, unlike HB, if you really want your kid to go there (but you don't want them to do the full diploma or you don't get in through the lottery), you can move in bounds.

But I don't see many people actually complaining about this. I think this is a made up "issue."

I agree. It’s not really an issue apart from a few people on this forum claiming it’s not fair and that Yorktown should have better stats than W-L etc. Moreover maybe it’s good that some of the most disadvantaged kids in the metro area (who represent a large number of in-bounds W-L students) are exposed to highly motivated students on a daily basis at school, and that they can aspire to take on challenging coursework as they are able. That’s actually an argument for equity right there.

Wow, way to justify your extra benefits at W-L, blame the people who don't have it and call them whiners. Well done!!!

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This is important to remember: transferring into IB (supposedly) requires you to take full IB. No picky-choosey like kids zoned for WL. This is a policy, IMO, APS needs to change.

NP whose Yorktown-zoned child wants to apply for IB next year. How would you change it? Either let the YT/Wakefield kids stay even if they don't do full IB, or make it so W-L kids can't dabble in IB, they either do it or not?

I would change it so they either do it or don't, same as everyone, since it's a program within a school. Letting everyone dabble in it, just defeats the purpose. But who will make this change?

Letting people "dabble" actually helps the program because they can offer a wider range of IB electives. If they limited access to only diploma students they would have electives with only a few students signing up and then they wouldn't offer them.

I believe that due to the extremely large number of high school students in this county, and the popularity of the IB program, they would easily fill, if they asked students to fully commit (perhaps at the latest by the start of grade 10) and decide to be "in or out".

I agree. If IB were established as its own option program, the typical high-pressure-expectations Arlington parents would be all over it like they are HBW. It would become an elite option school. But on second thought as I write this, the major obstacle to that happening would be the lack of extracurriculars. Parents expect their kids to be able to do and have it all. Separating IB from WL per se would disconnect their students from WL athletics. That's one of the problems Arlington Tech has now - students want to do activities AT doesn't offer (band) and it's too much of a hassle to go back to the home school for sports.

I don’t think APS is too keen on creating elite option schools. HBW became one due to its small size, but that wasn’t on purpose. Arlington Tech was purposefully not designed as an elite STEM school with admissions testing. A small elite IB option school would likely create division between the “dregs of humanity” at the neighborhood schools and the highly motivated academic stars at the elite IB option school. Also, would a small IB option school be able to offer the same number of IB electives?

Don't know and don't care. So what if the # of electives goes down? They still have their IB program and diploma. Option programs are choices and choices just might mean "choosing" to do without something else.

There's no point in creating this elite school if it doesn't attract a sizable number if kids away from the more crowded schools.

I think some PPs here overestimate the interest in the IB diploma. It is A LOT of work and the number of kids who actually complete the diploma isn't actually that large.

I'm not advocating for an IB program. I'm just saying that if it's going to be offered, it should be its own, actual IB program. If there isn't enough interest to sustain one, don't establish one; or try and if it doesn't draw enough, then eliminate it. Considering there are only approximately 60 IB diplomas issued in a given year, I think the program should be on "table 1" for budget cuts. Thousands of students across the country manage to get in and graduate from fine universities without an IB diploma and even without a single IB class. [b]The way IB is offered in APS is (1) inequitable and (2) not consistent with the actual IB program/curriculum.

There’s no requirement for schools to offer the IB Middle Years Programme to become an IB school. W-L has maintained one of the region’s most successful high school IB programs for 25 years. The schools new addition is allowing all eligible applicants an IB spot at W-L, and perhaps the W-L boundary should further shrink as needed to allow for continued access to all eligible students. Would it be equitable for IB to become an elite option program within W-L like Richard Montgomery HS in Rockville, closed to in-bounds W-L students? I don’t know.

But for now the W-L addition is meeting the needs of both IB and in-bounds neighborhood kids. In 5 years if enrollment continues upward in the south of the county unabated, then IB, HB, and other option programs might be up for debate. But as of now, no one is calling for changes.

This is the problem! It is serving "in-bounds neighborhood kids." IB should absolutely not become "an elite program" within WL that's open only to WL students. That's the whole point I've been trying to make. I don't care where they house the program. If they're going to offer it, it should be a full-time IB program consisting only of full-time IB students from across the county. It should NOT be open to the general WL populace (ie "serve in-bounds neighborhood kids") to take a few classes from in order to enhance their college applications - unless any high school student in any of the other high schools have that same access. My initial use of "elite" was not meant to describe the program, but to suggest how it would be viewed by Arlington parents always seeking the best for their genius children....like how people describe HBW as an "elite" program because it's small and highly coveted.

I don't think this is a problem. At least, unlike HB, if you really want your kid to go there (but you don't want them to do the full diploma or you don't get in through the lottery), you can move in bounds.

But I don't see many people actually complaining about this. I think this is a made up "issue."

I agree. It’s not really an issue apart from a few people on this forum claiming it’s not fair and that Yorktown should have better stats than W-L etc. Moreover maybe it’s good that some of the most disadvantaged kids in the metro area (who represent a large number of in-bounds W-L students) are exposed to highly motivated students on a daily basis at school, and that they can aspire to take on challenging coursework as they are able. That’s actually an argument for equity right there.

Wow, way to justify your extra benefits at W-L, blame the people who don't have it and call them whiners. Well done!!!

Seriously how many actual students currently at YHS and WHS actually care about this? I think it's more a parental prestige perception issue.