Most over-ranked/under-ranked LACS on USNWR?

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Anonymous wrote:Are you capable of posting without using the word woke or wokeness? You sound ridiculous, with a weird agenda. New to this thread but one person seems to keep coming back to whine about campus wokeness, cry me a river.

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Anonymous wrote:Higher education should allow freedom of speech, respect differing opinions, and encourage intellectual discourse presented from a variety of perspectives. Ultra-liberal, leftist schools are intolerant of opposing thought.

And schools that fail to promote this type of environment will suffer in the marketplace. How many non-LGBTQ males who get 1500 on their SATs would choose Vassar over all their other options? Oberlin is way off the charts now, and Wesleyan has plunged as well. Haverford has declined, now tied with Richmond (which has a conservative reputation). Reed is nowhere to be found. W&L is thriving. Southern schools in general are thriving. Who wants to go to school with a bunch of angry single minded activists who can't even have a conversation but can only call you names?

Whoah you are so clearly in a suburban bubble. Vassar and oberlin are very popular with the boys in our Brooklyn crowd

That is exactly my point. They are ONLY popular with the Brooklyn crowd.

A quarter of Vassar comes from NY - so it's even a larger percentage of the domestic student population. It basically just draws from 5 states where wokeness prevails.
https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/vassar-college/student-life/diversity/chart-geographic-diversity.html

I am not the only poster using that word but I apologize if I violated your safe space! I know words are violence now. And woke is a white supremacist dog whistle!! You must be traumatized. I shall take a knee in your honor. But first I will apologize to the indigenous peoples on whose land I kneel.

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I am not the only poster using that word but I apologize if I violated your safe space! I know words are violence now. And woke is a white supremacist dog whistle!! You must be traumatized. I shall take a knee in your honor. But first I will apologize to the indigenous peoples on whose land I kneel.

But what are your pronouns?!!! You have fatally insulted us all!

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I am not the only poster using that word but I apologize if I violated your safe space! I know words are violence now. And woke is a white supremacist dog whistle!! You must be traumatized. I shall take a knee in your honor. But first I will apologize to the indigenous peoples on whose land I kneel.

But what are your pronouns?!!! You have fatally insulted us all!

My pronouns are vas/zir 😂

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Anonymous wrote:Vassar and Smith should be lower. Richmond perhaps as well. CMC is a little too close to the sun

Why? We were very impressed with Vassar.

I’m always surprised Vassar is not more popular. I don’t know what I am missing about it.

When Vassar was asked to join Yale, it declined. It is/was never about ranking.

What does a 1967 declination to merge with Yale have to do with anything related to this topic ?

Vassar doesn't care about ranking.

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Anonymous wrote:Vassar and Smith should be lower. Richmond perhaps as well. CMC is a little too close to the sun

Why? We were very impressed with Vassar.

I’m always surprised Vassar is not more popular. I don’t know what I am missing about it.

When Vassar was asked to join Yale, it declined. It is/was never about ranking.

What does a 1967 declination to merge with Yale have to do with anything related to this topic ?

Vassar doesn't care about ranking.

Prior to US News rankings which began in the early 1980s, nobody cared about rankings and very, very few were familiar with any rankings that did exist prior to US News.

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Anonymous wrote:Higher education should allow freedom of speech, respect differing opinions, and encourage intellectual discourse presented from a variety of perspectives. Ultra-liberal, leftist schools are intolerant of opposing thought.

And schools that fail to promote this type of environment will suffer in the marketplace. How many non-LGBTQ males who get 1500 on their SATs would choose Vassar over all their other options? Oberlin is way off the charts now, and Wesleyan has plunged as well. Haverford has declined, now tied with Richmond (which has a conservative reputation). Reed is nowhere to be found. W&L is thriving. Southern schools in general are thriving. Who wants to go to school with a bunch of angry single minded activists who can't even have a conversation but can only call you names?

Whoah you are so clearly in a suburban bubble. Vassar and oberlin are very popular with the boys in our Brooklyn crowd

That is exactly my point. They are ONLY popular with the Brooklyn crowd.

A quarter of Vassar comes from NY - so it's even a larger percentage of the domestic student population. It basically just draws from 5 states where wokeness prevails.
https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/vassar-college/student-life/diversity/chart-geographic-diversity.html

Whatever. These are private school kids with all the professional connections that are so coveted on here. Send your kid to High Point instead!

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Anonymous wrote:Higher education should allow freedom of speech, respect differing opinions, and encourage intellectual discourse presented from a variety of perspectives. Ultra-liberal, leftist schools are intolerant of opposing thought.

And schools that fail to promote this type of environment will suffer in the marketplace. How many non-LGBTQ males who get 1500 on their SATs would choose Vassar over all their other options? Oberlin is way off the charts now, and Wesleyan has plunged as well. Haverford has declined, now tied with Richmond (which has a conservative reputation). Reed is nowhere to be found. W&L is thriving. Southern schools in general are thriving. Who wants to go to school with a bunch of angry single minded activists who can't even have a conversation but can only call you names?

Whoah you are so clearly in a suburban bubble. Vassar and oberlin are very popular with the boys in our Brooklyn crowd

That is exactly my point. They are ONLY popular with the Brooklyn crowd.

A quarter of Vassar comes from NY - so it's even a larger percentage of the domestic student population. It basically just draws from 5 states where wokeness prevails.
https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/vassar-college/student-life/diversity/chart-geographic-diversity.html

Whatever. These are private school kids with all the professional connections that are so coveted on here. Send your kid to High Point instead!

I will concede that Vassar- as a NYC centric school like an NYU or Columbia- has an angle into NY finance. I know this personally. It may be its only redeeming feature. But it’s not the only school that does

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Anonymous wrote:Higher education should allow freedom of speech, respect differing opinions, and encourage intellectual discourse presented from a variety of perspectives. Ultra-liberal, leftist schools are intolerant of opposing thought.

And schools that fail to promote this type of environment will suffer in the marketplace. How many non-LGBTQ males who get 1500 on their SATs would choose Vassar over all their other options? Oberlin is way off the charts now, and Wesleyan has plunged as well. Haverford has declined, now tied with Richmond (which has a conservative reputation). Reed is nowhere to be found. W&L is thriving. Southern schools in general are thriving. Who wants to go to school with a bunch of angry single minded activists who can't even have a conversation but can only call you names?

Whoah you are so clearly in a suburban bubble. Vassar and oberlin are very popular with the boys in our Brooklyn crowd

That is exactly my point. They are ONLY popular with the Brooklyn crowd.

A quarter of Vassar comes from NY - so it's even a larger percentage of the domestic student population. It basically just draws from 5 states where wokeness prevails.
https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/vassar-college/student-life/diversity/chart-geographic-diversity.html

Whatever. These are private school kids with all the professional connections that are so coveted on here. Send your kid to High Point instead!

I will concede that Vassar- as a NYC centric school like an NYU or Columbia- has an angle into NY finance. I know this personally. It may be its only redeeming feature. But it’s not the only school that does

DS liked Vassar quite a bit, including its proximity to home. If his GPA had been slightly higher, he would have gambled on applying, as he had a high ACT score and great ECs. Strangely enough, another classmate applied, coach told him he was in, then rejected in ED. Neither heads up from coach nor a follow up email.
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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Higher education should allow freedom of speech, respect differing opinions, and encourage intellectual discourse presented from a variety of perspectives. Ultra-liberal, leftist schools are intolerant of opposing thought.

And schools that fail to promote this type of environment will suffer in the marketplace. How many non-LGBTQ males who get 1500 on their SATs would choose Vassar over all their other options? Oberlin is way off the charts now, and Wesleyan has plunged as well. Haverford has declined, now tied with Richmond (which has a conservative reputation). Reed is nowhere to be found. W&L is thriving. Southern schools in general are thriving. Who wants to go to school with a bunch of angry single minded activists who can't even have a conversation but can only call you names?

Whoah you are so clearly in a suburban bubble. Vassar and oberlin are very popular with the boys in our Brooklyn crowd

That is exactly my point. They are ONLY popular with the Brooklyn crowd.

A quarter of Vassar comes from NY - so it's even a larger percentage of the domestic student population. It basically just draws from 5 states where wokeness prevails.
https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/vassar-college/student-life/diversity/chart-geographic-diversity.html

Whatever. These are private school kids with all the professional connections that are so coveted on here. Send your kid to High Point instead!

I will concede that Vassar- as a NYC centric school like an NYU or Columbia- has an angle into NY finance. I know this personally. It may be its only redeeming feature. But it’s not the only school that does

DS liked Vassar quite a bit, including its proximity to home. If his GPA had been slightly higher, he would have gambled on applying, as he had a high ACT score and great ECs. Strangely enough, another classmate applied, coach told him he was in, then rejected in ED. Neither heads up from coach nor a follow up email.
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The LAC coach saying you are in and then rejection thing - I heard that more than once this year.

I do wonder how difficult it is for a male to get into Vassar. Def has to be easier than female.

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Anonymous wrote:overrated - Colby and Richmond; to a lesser extent, Bowdoin

underrated - Haverford, Macalester and Wesleyan

Totally disagree, Bowdoin is underrated. It is such a great college environment.

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Remember that everything on a basic board like this doesn't always stay as anonymous as you'd think forever...

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Anonymous wrote:Remember that everything on a basic board like this doesn't always stay as anonymous as you'd think forever...

What does that mean?

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Anonymous wrote:overrated - Colby and Richmond; to a lesser extent, Bowdoin

underrated - Haverford, Macalester and Wesleyan

Totally disagree, Bowdoin is underrated. It is such a great college environment.

I agree. Bowdoin on par with Amherst and Williams now

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Anonymous wrote:Reed is the most underrated (and intentionally so).

Sigh....Why is Reed 80,000 a year with no merit aid? Super sad to take it off the list.

Merit aid is not based on the price of tuition. Merit aid offered by colleges is used to game the rankings. Reed is wholly uninterested in giving money to wealthy, high stats kids to up its rankings on USNews. Also, many, many highly regarded colleges and universities are now charging around $80K for tuition, room, and board--regardless of whether they offer merit aid or not.

That is an unfair assessment of merit aid. All colleges want to attract the best students they can (and climb the rankings). Need blind financial aid is also a tool to attract students who might otherwise feel disadvantaged in the application process. Does merit aid really target the wealthy? All things being equal, a wealthy kid would go to the most prestigious school he gets into, not the one that is providing the largest discount. Merit aid therefore really targets the middle class or upper middle class kid who qualifies for little or no financial aid. In the context of LACs, a family that is borderline for need based aid would probably hesitate to shell out 80k a year (versus much cheaper in state alternatives, for example) and would be wise to do so. So if such a kid wants the LAC experience, merit aid may be the only possibility. Should this kid be denied that opportunity? Only lower middle class and wealthy kids should have access to it?

Your attitude is very snotty. Schools that provide merit aid are doing a tremendous service to families in the middle and appropriately rewarding some of our country's best, hardest working kids.

DP - it they are correct. This is what kowtowing to USNWR has done to our nation’s colleges and universities. Any college counselor will tell you tgst the very top schools don’t offer merit aid any more because they don’t have to. You must drop to second or third tier schools to get any sort of substantial award and that almost always us in exchange for something tge schools want that is reportable to USNWR. Top GpA, top SAT. Top ACT. Two small SLACs you’ve never heard offered my kid a full ride because if his ACT score.

It is the practice of east coast schools to avoid merit aid, largely mirroring long established Ivy League practices, which were rooted in collusion. Many great schools outside the east coast provide merit aid and various other scholarships. Vandy. Duke. W&L (ten percent of the school gets a merit based full ride). Davidson has merit based full rides. Every school wants the best students- and providing generous financial aid in general is a way to get students in the door. You are just framing this as kowtowing to USNWR for merit aid schools. Yes, lower ranked schools need to be more aggressive with merit aid to attract top students. It's only natural and there is nothing wrong with it. Everyone at these schools is better off if they can attract a nice group of very strong students. Duke proivdes merit aid while Bates does not- does that make Bates better than Duke? LOL

Vandy, Duke, and W&L are outside of the east coast?

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Anonymous wrote:Reed is the most underrated (and intentionally so).

Sigh....Why is Reed 80,000 a year with no merit aid? Super sad to take it off the list.

Merit aid is not based on the price of tuition. Merit aid offered by colleges is used to game the rankings. Reed is wholly uninterested in giving money to wealthy, high stats kids to up its rankings on USNews. Also, many, many highly regarded colleges and universities are now charging around $80K for tuition, room, and board--regardless of whether they offer merit aid or not.

That is an unfair assessment of merit aid. All colleges want to attract the best students they can (and climb the rankings). Need blind financial aid is also a tool to attract students who might otherwise feel disadvantaged in the application process. Does merit aid really target the wealthy? All things being equal, a wealthy kid would go to the most prestigious school he gets into, not the one that is providing the largest discount. Merit aid therefore really targets the middle class or upper middle class kid who qualifies for little or no financial aid. In the context of LACs, a family that is borderline for need based aid would probably hesitate to shell out 80k a year (versus much cheaper in state alternatives, for example) and would be wise to do so. So if such a kid wants the LAC experience, merit aid may be the only possibility. Should this kid be denied that opportunity? Only lower middle class and wealthy kids should have access to it?

Your attitude is very snotty. Schools that provide merit aid are doing a tremendous service to families in the middle and appropriately rewarding some of our country's best, hardest working kids.

DP - it they are correct. This is what kowtowing to USNWR has done to our nation’s colleges and universities. Any college counselor will tell you tgst the very top schools don’t offer merit aid any more because they don’t have to. You must drop to second or third tier schools to get any sort of substantial award and that almost always us in exchange for something tge schools want that is reportable to USNWR. Top GpA, top SAT. Top ACT. Two small SLACs you’ve never heard offered my kid a full ride because if his ACT score.

It is the practice of east coast schools to avoid merit aid, largely mirroring long established Ivy League practices, which were rooted in collusion. Many great schools outside the east coast provide merit aid and various other scholarships. Vandy. Duke. W&L (ten percent of the school gets a merit based full ride). Davidson has merit based full rides. Every school wants the best students- and providing generous financial aid in general is a way to get students in the door. You are just framing this as kowtowing to USNWR for merit aid schools. Yes, lower ranked schools need to be more aggressive with merit aid to attract top students. It's only natural and there is nothing wrong with it. Everyone at these schools is better off if they can attract a nice group of very strong students. Duke proivdes merit aid while Bates does not- does that make Bates better than Duke? LOL

Vandy, Duke, and W&L are outside of the east coast?

I mean, I would say so. Nashville? Lexington VA? I guess you could consider Raleigh coastal?? Rather than east coast the idea was northeast from Philly to Maine