APS Block Schedule - 90 minute core classes

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a HS teacher and have never taught anything but block. We don’t lecture the entire 88 minutes. In my class it looks like this: warm up activity/attendance question, independent reading, maybe a journal prompt, mini lesson and group practice, independent practice. Or, warm up/read/journal prompt, “workshop” time where some kids are drafting, some are revising, some are in a small group with me while I reteach something.

So study hall for half the time.

Um, no. Independent reading is important for building reading endurance, vocabulary, comprehension. It has measured and proven benefits. Journaling does as well, when students are writing to a prompt they are practicing the writing muscle and developing ideas they’ll later use in their formal written pieces. Independent practice = the graded work on whatever skill we are currently working on. Maybe if you guys knew what words meant and what teaching looks like you wouldn’t be losing your minds over 88 minute classes.

What are you doing while kids do independent work?

OMG can we please stop second-guessing and armchair quarterbacking teachers? Go look at that thread on FCPS teachers who are all miserable and want to quit!

This teacher probably has a million other things to do while kids are reading, including perhaps grading papers or planning the next lesson! Why is there so much complaining. Do we want our kids to have subs all year?

Your response gets to my point. The county does not give them adequate planning time or support, and thus are allocating class time for administrative tasks to save money. That’s why the county likes block scheduling.

Okay, so you prefer traditional scheduling where they have no time during the day at all to do those things and have to work all night at home? That's why we are losing teachers!

I support the model where we have regular periods so kids spend more of their time at school engaged and learning, and then hiring support staff and adequate teachers to allow teachers to be fully engaged in class time and not being work home. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Sure, but that isn't happening, so pick your poison.

My preference is to prioritize instruction time, and then teachers can advocate for more support. Rather than downshifting expectations for in class instruction to gain paid planning time.

So when are the teachers supposed to plan lessons for this instruction time

The way the did for last centure, in a planning period.

Read that FCPS thread about teachers quitting and how they talk about the increased demands from administration, more and more mandatory meetings and committees, not to mention IEP meetings and parents wanting to meet. It's changed a lot over the past century and now appears to be at a tipping point.

Can we not just be grateful that teachers are trying their best no matter what the schedule is? Why try to cut them down picking apart the 90 min. block as if they are wasting that time or getting away with something?

My point is that it is too difficult for a teacher to fill 90 minutes classes, it’s tiring for both teacher and student. I am only bashing the argument that they need the block for planning — that’s some administration should fix.

Why do you think it’s too difficult for a teacher to fill 90 min?

They are filling it! The teacher a couple pages back described exactly how - some presentation, some independent work. That is all part of teaching, it's just some people don't want to accept this for some strange reason.

DP. I think a question is why do independent reading in class when that can be done at home?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a HS teacher and have never taught anything but block. We don’t lecture the entire 88 minutes. In my class it looks like this: warm up activity/attendance question, independent reading, maybe a journal prompt, mini lesson and group practice, independent practice. Or, warm up/read/journal prompt, “workshop” time where some kids are drafting, some are revising, some are in a small group with me while I reteach something.

So study hall for half the time.

Um, no. Independent reading is important for building reading endurance, vocabulary, comprehension. It has measured and proven benefits. Journaling does as well, when students are writing to a prompt they are practicing the writing muscle and developing ideas they’ll later use in their formal written pieces. Independent practice = the graded work on whatever skill we are currently working on. Maybe if you guys knew what words meant and what teaching looks like you wouldn’t be losing your minds over 88 minute classes.

What are you doing while kids do independent work?

OMG can we please stop second-guessing and armchair quarterbacking teachers? Go look at that thread on FCPS teachers who are all miserable and want to quit!

This teacher probably has a million other things to do while kids are reading, including perhaps grading papers or planning the next lesson! Why is there so much complaining. Do we want our kids to have subs all year?

Your response gets to my point. The county does not give them adequate planning time or support, and thus are allocating class time for administrative tasks to save money. That’s why the county likes block scheduling.

Okay, so you prefer traditional scheduling where they have no time during the day at all to do those things and have to work all night at home? That's why we are losing teachers!

I support the model where we have regular periods so kids spend more of their time at school engaged and learning, and then hiring support staff and adequate teachers to allow teachers to be fully engaged in class time and not being work home. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Sure, but that isn't happening, so pick your poison.

My preference is to prioritize instruction time, and then teachers can advocate for more support. Rather than downshifting expectations for in class instruction to gain paid planning time.

So when are the teachers supposed to plan lessons for this instruction time

The way the did for last centure, in a planning period.

Read that FCPS thread about teachers quitting and how they talk about the increased demands from administration, more and more mandatory meetings and committees, not to mention IEP meetings and parents wanting to meet. It's changed a lot over the past century and now appears to be at a tipping point.

Can we not just be grateful that teachers are trying their best no matter what the schedule is? Why try to cut them down picking apart the 90 min. block as if they are wasting that time or getting away with something?

My point is that it is too difficult for a teacher to fill 90 minutes classes, it’s tiring for both teacher and student. I am only bashing the argument that they need the block for planning — that’s some administration should fix.

Why do you think it’s too difficult for a teacher to fill 90 min?

They are filling it! The teacher a couple pages back described exactly how - some presentation, some independent work. That is all part of teaching, it's just some people don't want to accept this for some strange reason.

DP. I think a question is why do independent reading in class when that can be done at home?

Not a teacher but my guess would be, what if some kids don't read it? Then it's hard to have a productive discussion. If you give everyone 20 min. to reach chapter 3 and then have a discussion, it might be more effective.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a HS teacher and have never taught anything but block. We don’t lecture the entire 88 minutes. In my class it looks like this: warm up activity/attendance question, independent reading, maybe a journal prompt, mini lesson and group practice, independent practice. Or, warm up/read/journal prompt, “workshop” time where some kids are drafting, some are revising, some are in a small group with me while I reteach something.

So study hall for half the time.

Um, no. Independent reading is important for building reading endurance, vocabulary, comprehension. It has measured and proven benefits. Journaling does as well, when students are writing to a prompt they are practicing the writing muscle and developing ideas they’ll later use in their formal written pieces. Independent practice = the graded work on whatever skill we are currently working on. Maybe if you guys knew what words meant and what teaching looks like you wouldn’t be losing your minds over 88 minute classes.

What are you doing while kids do independent work?

OMG can we please stop second-guessing and armchair quarterbacking teachers? Go look at that thread on FCPS teachers who are all miserable and want to quit!

This teacher probably has a million other things to do while kids are reading, including perhaps grading papers or planning the next lesson! Why is there so much complaining. Do we want our kids to have subs all year?

Your response gets to my point. The county does not give them adequate planning time or support, and thus are allocating class time for administrative tasks to save money. That’s why the county likes block scheduling.

Okay, so you prefer traditional scheduling where they have no time during the day at all to do those things and have to work all night at home? That's why we are losing teachers!

I support the model where we have regular periods so kids spend more of their time at school engaged and learning, and then hiring support staff and adequate teachers to allow teachers to be fully engaged in class time and not being work home. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Sure, but that isn't happening, so pick your poison.

My preference is to prioritize instruction time, and then teachers can advocate for more support. Rather than downshifting expectations for in class instruction to gain paid planning time.

So when are the teachers supposed to plan lessons for this instruction time

The way the did for last centure, in a planning period.

Read that FCPS thread about teachers quitting and how they talk about the increased demands from administration, more and more mandatory meetings and committees, not to mention IEP meetings and parents wanting to meet. It's changed a lot over the past century and now appears to be at a tipping point.

Can we not just be grateful that teachers are trying their best no matter what the schedule is? Why try to cut them down picking apart the 90 min. block as if they are wasting that time or getting away with something?

My point is that it is too difficult for a teacher to fill 90 minutes classes, it’s tiring for both teacher and student. I am only bashing the argument that they need the block for planning — that’s some administration should fix.

Why do you think it’s too difficult for a teacher to fill 90 min?

They are filling it! The teacher a couple pages back described exactly how - some presentation, some independent work. That is all part of teaching, it's just some people don't want to accept this for some strange reason.

DP. I think a question is why do independent reading in class when that can be done at home?

Not a teacher but my guess would be, what if some kids don't read it? Then it's hard to have a productive discussion. If you give everyone 20 min. to reach chapter 3 and then have a discussion, it might be more effective.

Makes sense, but then there's a lost opportunity for interactive learning that could have occurred with the teacher or peers during that time. Trade-offs, I guess. Still seems disappointing to have everyone lose the interactivity because some kids don't read it otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a HS teacher and have never taught anything but block. We don’t lecture the entire 88 minutes. In my class it looks like this: warm up activity/attendance question, independent reading, maybe a journal prompt, mini lesson and group practice, independent practice. Or, warm up/read/journal prompt, “workshop” time where some kids are drafting, some are revising, some are in a small group with me while I reteach something.

So study hall for half the time.

Um, no. Independent reading is important for building reading endurance, vocabulary, comprehension. It has measured and proven benefits. Journaling does as well, when students are writing to a prompt they are practicing the writing muscle and developing ideas they’ll later use in their formal written pieces. Independent practice = the graded work on whatever skill we are currently working on. Maybe if you guys knew what words meant and what teaching looks like you wouldn’t be losing your minds over 88 minute classes.

What are you doing while kids do independent work?

OMG can we please stop second-guessing and armchair quarterbacking teachers? Go look at that thread on FCPS teachers who are all miserable and want to quit!

This teacher probably has a million other things to do while kids are reading, including perhaps grading papers or planning the next lesson! Why is there so much complaining. Do we want our kids to have subs all year?

Your response gets to my point. The county does not give them adequate planning time or support, and thus are allocating class time for administrative tasks to save money. That’s why the county likes block scheduling.

Okay, so you prefer traditional scheduling where they have no time during the day at all to do those things and have to work all night at home? That's why we are losing teachers!

I support the model where we have regular periods so kids spend more of their time at school engaged and learning, and then hiring support staff and adequate teachers to allow teachers to be fully engaged in class time and not being work home. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Sure, but that isn't happening, so pick your poison.

My preference is to prioritize instruction time, and then teachers can advocate for more support. Rather than downshifting expectations for in class instruction to gain paid planning time.

So when are the teachers supposed to plan lessons for this instruction time

The way the did for last centure, in a planning period.

Read that FCPS thread about teachers quitting and how they talk about the increased demands from administration, more and more mandatory meetings and committees, not to mention IEP meetings and parents wanting to meet. It's changed a lot over the past century and now appears to be at a tipping point.

Can we not just be grateful that teachers are trying their best no matter what the schedule is? Why try to cut them down picking apart the 90 min. block as if they are wasting that time or getting away with something?

My point is that it is too difficult for a teacher to fill 90 minutes classes, it’s tiring for both teacher and student. I am only bashing the argument that they need the block for planning — that’s some administration should fix.

Why do you think it’s too difficult for a teacher to fill 90 min?

They are filling it! The teacher a couple pages back described exactly how - some presentation, some independent work. That is all part of teaching, it's just some people don't want to accept this for some strange reason.

DP. I think a question is why do independent reading in class when that can be done at home?

Not a teacher but my guess would be, what if some kids don't read it? Then it's hard to have a productive discussion. If you give everyone 20 min. to reach chapter 3 and then have a discussion, it might be more effective.

Makes sense, but then there's a lost opportunity for interactive learning that could have occurred with the teacher or peers during that time. Trade-offs, I guess. Still seems disappointing to have everyone lose the interactivity because some kids don't read it otherwise.

Well, that's public school equity for ya. What if kids don't have electricity in their houses, or they work until midnight, or they have a baby or two already, or blah blah blah... ? We couldn't punish them for not reading or deprive them of further opportunities to learn by engaging in discussion over content they were unable to get to in their busy lives of work, sports, childcare, or anything else but studying.

If you want strict standards and, it appears, a traditional schedule, looks like you have to go private.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a HS teacher and have never taught anything but block. We don’t lecture the entire 88 minutes. In my class it looks like this: warm up activity/attendance question, independent reading, maybe a journal prompt, mini lesson and group practice, independent practice. Or, warm up/read/journal prompt, “workshop” time where some kids are drafting, some are revising, some are in a small group with me while I reteach something.

Thank you for posting (and for teaching). Very helpful. One question. My high school English class (45 minutes, each day) involved the teacher giving a mini-lesson and then leading a discussion of the themes/literary techniques for stories/books we read for homework for the rest of class. Sometimes, kids would keep a journal as they did their assigned reading at night, to document their thoughts to be better able to discuss in class. If a paper was due, the teacher might focus her mini-lesson on writing techniques, using anonymized prior student writing samples to show what worked and what didn't. Overall though, the focus in class was on analyzing the assigned reading we had done at home. I am sure you have rich class discussions as well but do you feel that the time spent in independent reading and work takes away time that could be spent in guided class analysis and discussion? Independent reading is surely important, but is there an advantage to doing it at school versus at home? Is the fear that not all kids read at home so this is a way to ensure that they do?

The short answer is we do a lot of the reading in class (sometimes individually, sometimes as a group) because unless it’s an AP class you can’t assume the kids will have read on their own or that they did and understood well enough to have a thoughtful discussion. We do a lot of it in class because with work and activities kids will not go home and read it. This is especially true in an academic level or inclusion class where the kids legitimately need reading support to access the texts meaningfully.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a HS teacher and have never taught anything but block. We don’t lecture the entire 88 minutes. In my class it looks like this: warm up activity/attendance question, independent reading, maybe a journal prompt, mini lesson and group practice, independent practice. Or, warm up/read/journal prompt, “workshop” time where some kids are drafting, some are revising, some are in a small group with me while I reteach something.

So study hall for half the time.

Um, no. Independent reading is important for building reading endurance, vocabulary, comprehension. It has measured and proven benefits. Journaling does as well, when students are writing to a prompt they are practicing the writing muscle and developing ideas they’ll later use in their formal written pieces. Independent practice = the graded work on whatever skill we are currently working on. Maybe if you guys knew what words meant and what teaching looks like you wouldn’t be losing your minds over 88 minute classes.

What are you doing while kids do independent work?

Pulling small groups for reteaching and assistance usually since I was able to see in their formatives done in group practice who got it and can move on to practice independently and who needs it again in a smaller group. Additionally, I’m providing help as kids working independently have questions or need assistance. This is what I mean when I say you clearly have no idea what teaching actually is. The fact you even thought this was a gotcha question, lmao.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a HS teacher and have never taught anything but block. We don’t lecture the entire 88 minutes. In my class it looks like this: warm up activity/attendance question, independent reading, maybe a journal prompt, mini lesson and group practice, independent practice. Or, warm up/read/journal prompt, “workshop” time where some kids are drafting, some are revising, some are in a small group with me while I reteach something.

So study hall for half the time.

Um, no. Independent reading is important for building reading endurance, vocabulary, comprehension. It has measured and proven benefits. Journaling does as well, when students are writing to a prompt they are practicing the writing muscle and developing ideas they’ll later use in their formal written pieces. Independent practice = the graded work on whatever skill we are currently working on. Maybe if you guys knew what words meant and what teaching looks like you wouldn’t be losing your minds over 88 minute classes.

What are you doing while kids do independent work?

OMG can we please stop second-guessing and armchair quarterbacking teachers? Go look at that thread on FCPS teachers who are all miserable and want to quit!

This teacher probably has a million other things to do while kids are reading, including perhaps grading papers or planning the next lesson! Why is there so much complaining. Do we want our kids to have subs all year?

Your response gets to my point. The county does not give them adequate planning time or support, and thus are allocating class time for administrative tasks to save money. That’s why the county likes block scheduling.

Okay, so you prefer traditional scheduling where they have no time during the day at all to do those things and have to work all night at home? That's why we are losing teachers!

I support the model where we have regular periods so kids spend more of their time at school engaged and learning, and then hiring support staff and adequate teachers to allow teachers to be fully engaged in class time and not being work home. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Sure, but that isn't happening, so pick your poison.

My preference is to prioritize instruction time, and then teachers can advocate for more support. Rather than downshifting expectations for in class instruction to gain paid planning time.

So when are the teachers supposed to plan lessons for this instruction time

The way the did for last centure, in a planning period.

Read that FCPS thread about teachers quitting and how they talk about the increased demands from administration, more and more mandatory meetings and committees, not to mention IEP meetings and parents wanting to meet. It's changed a lot over the past century and now appears to be at a tipping point.

Can we not just be grateful that teachers are trying their best no matter what the schedule is? Why try to cut them down picking apart the 90 min. block as if they are wasting that time or getting away with something?

My point is that it is too difficult for a teacher to fill 90 minutes classes, it’s tiring for both teacher and student. I am only bashing the argument that they need the block for planning — that’s some administration should fix.

Why do you think it’s too difficult for a teacher to fill 90 min?

They are filling it! The teacher a couple pages back described exactly how - some presentation, some independent work. That is all part of teaching, it's just some people don't want to accept this for some strange reason.

DP. I think a question is why do independent reading in class when that can be done at home?

Because most DON’T do it at home. They don’t have the time or the quiet space or access to books or they’re kids and do more fun things instead. The kids who will always read will read at home independently. The kids who never read? Might never read if we don’t build it into class and have conferencing and accountability and space and book recommendations for it. I am once again BEGGING you all to think outside your upper middle class dually higher educated homes and consider we teach many students who do not have the same academic behaviors or outcomes as you and your specific children.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a HS teacher and have never taught anything but block. We don’t lecture the entire 88 minutes. In my class it looks like this: warm up activity/attendance question, independent reading, maybe a journal prompt, mini lesson and group practice, independent practice. Or, warm up/read/journal prompt, “workshop” time where some kids are drafting, some are revising, some are in a small group with me while I reteach something.

So study hall for half the time.

Um, no. Independent reading is important for building reading endurance, vocabulary, comprehension. It has measured and proven benefits. Journaling does as well, when students are writing to a prompt they are practicing the writing muscle and developing ideas they’ll later use in their formal written pieces. Independent practice = the graded work on whatever skill we are currently working on. Maybe if you guys knew what words meant and what teaching looks like you wouldn’t be losing your minds over 88 minute classes.

What are you doing while kids do independent work?

OMG can we please stop second-guessing and armchair quarterbacking teachers? Go look at that thread on FCPS teachers who are all miserable and want to quit!

This teacher probably has a million other things to do while kids are reading, including perhaps grading papers or planning the next lesson! Why is there so much complaining. Do we want our kids to have subs all year?

Your response gets to my point. The county does not give them adequate planning time or support, and thus are allocating class time for administrative tasks to save money. That’s why the county likes block scheduling.

Okay, so you prefer traditional scheduling where they have no time during the day at all to do those things and have to work all night at home? That's why we are losing teachers!

I support the model where we have regular periods so kids spend more of their time at school engaged and learning, and then hiring support staff and adequate teachers to allow teachers to be fully engaged in class time and not being work home. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Sure, but that isn't happening, so pick your poison.

My preference is to prioritize instruction time, and then teachers can advocate for more support. Rather than downshifting expectations for in class instruction to gain paid planning time.

So when are the teachers supposed to plan lessons for this instruction time

The way the did for last centure, in a planning period.

Read that FCPS thread about teachers quitting and how they talk about the increased demands from administration, more and more mandatory meetings and committees, not to mention IEP meetings and parents wanting to meet. It's changed a lot over the past century and now appears to be at a tipping point.

Can we not just be grateful that teachers are trying their best no matter what the schedule is? Why try to cut them down picking apart the 90 min. block as if they are wasting that time or getting away with something?

My point is that it is too difficult for a teacher to fill 90 minutes classes, it’s tiring for both teacher and student. I am only bashing the argument that they need the block for planning — that’s some administration should fix.

Why do you think it’s too difficult for a teacher to fill 90 min?

They are filling it! The teacher a couple pages back described exactly how - some presentation, some independent work. That is all part of teaching, it's just some people don't want to accept this for some strange reason.

DP. I think a question is why do independent reading in class when that can be done at home?

Not a teacher but my guess would be, what if some kids don't read it? Then it's hard to have a productive discussion. If you give everyone 20 min. to reach chapter 3 and then have a discussion, it might be more effective.

Makes sense, but then there's a lost opportunity for interactive learning that could have occurred with the teacher or peers during that time. Trade-offs, I guess. Still seems disappointing to have everyone lose the interactivity because some kids don't read it otherwise.

You don’t lose the interactivity. You actually get to have it because everyone for sure did the reading. We all read a chapter together - everyone has read it now. They even processed it together as they read! We have an activity or discussion or written response based on that reading. There is time for this in an 88 minute block.

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Anonymous wrote:I think HB tried out the block system and kids voted to go back to traditional.

WTAF?!!?! HB is the only APS school without block scheduling?????

They have 50-min. blocks but each class only meets 4x/week.

Exactly. The 90 minute classes are BS. Teachers don’t have the time energy to build those project based lessons that would use 90 minutes, so end up doing 45 minute typical period lecture, and then de facto study hall for remainder of block. Kids and teacher just don’t have stamina for multiple 90 minute classes.

HBW is running just like my neighbors private school, 50 minute periods but 4x week. What a weird coincidence.

My high school has 50ish minute blocks 4 days a week. It was great. Gave you a little more time with each class and also gave you one night off from homework for each class. It is frustrating HBW is able to keep to that and the other schools have to switch.

Public education is just nuts, so much chasing trends with little supporting data

I think Block scheduling let’s teacher work a little less (instead of 2 days of lectures, it’s 1 lecture and study hall), and maybe saves county money someway but that I’m less sure about.

From what my kids have said I don't think it's a "study hall" as kids get older. It can be used for group work, discussions, more active learning, etc. Probably easier to have continuity of thought with a longer "teach" portion. Not so chopped up over the week.

Yeah once you get to high school classes with AP, IB, etc sure that happens but in undifferentiated classes that is not happening.

I teach standard classes. I am not lecturing for 90 minutes (who wants that?), but it’s not study hall either. Group work, independent work, other activities are the norm.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a HS teacher and have never taught anything but block. We don’t lecture the entire 88 minutes. In my class it looks like this: warm up activity/attendance question, independent reading, maybe a journal prompt, mini lesson and group practice, independent practice. Or, warm up/read/journal prompt, “workshop” time where some kids are drafting, some are revising, some are in a small group with me while I reteach something.

So study hall for half the time.

Um, no. Independent reading is important for building reading endurance, vocabulary, comprehension. It has measured and proven benefits. Journaling does as well, when students are writing to a prompt they are practicing the writing muscle and developing ideas they’ll later use in their formal written pieces. Independent practice = the graded work on whatever skill we are currently working on. Maybe if you guys knew what words meant and what teaching looks like you wouldn’t be losing your minds over 88 minute classes.

What are you doing while kids do independent work?

OMG can we please stop second-guessing and armchair quarterbacking teachers? Go look at that thread on FCPS teachers who are all miserable and want to quit!

This teacher probably has a million other things to do while kids are reading, including perhaps grading papers or planning the next lesson! Why is there so much complaining. Do we want our kids to have subs all year?

Your response gets to my point. The county does not give them adequate planning time or support, and thus are allocating class time for administrative tasks to save money. That’s why the county likes block scheduling.

Okay, so you prefer traditional scheduling where they have no time during the day at all to do those things and have to work all night at home? That's why we are losing teachers!

Not PP; but I prefer the schedule that provides the most, quality instruction for the students. Teachers have entered the field for decades knowing it isn't a 9 month 8-3 job. Other professions work beyond their basic work day hours as well. It's part of the job. That said, in the past, scheduling allowed planning periods for teachers. That doesn't seem to be the case anymore. So if block scheduling allows teachers 30 minutes to tend to their administrative duties while students work on group projects (which reduces the need for students to coordinate getting together outside of school), or individual assignments - that's ok with me.

The key to effective block scheduling is for the teacher to use that time as it is intended and in a way that keeps the students engaged - not to just teach half the time they otherwise would in an everyday schedule. Some are much better than that than others.

Plus, it seems to work for colleges; so I don't understand why parents are all huffy about it in high school. It also eliminates the students' need to carry notebooks and materials for all of their classes every day. Since many don't have or use lockers - who has time to get to them with only 3 or 4 minutes between classes, anyway? - that's another advantage to block schedules.

I’m so Fing tired of block scheduling being justified because college does it.

First off, college is already highly filtered for capable students, and any student who wouldn’t want to be there would simply skip class rather than cause disruption.

2nd not all classes are block schedule length

finally, colleges students aren’t in school for 6 hours straight — they have lots of breaks to recharge and would never take 3 block classes on one day like a typical high school student, let along all week long.

For example, a quick Google:

https://admission.princeton.edu/blogs/day-life

I had 3 "block" classes on same days in college.
I don't think high schools do it because colleges do it. It's a side benefit to helping high school students be better prepared for college and develop longer attention spans. Lord knows they need.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a HS teacher and have never taught anything but block. We don’t lecture the entire 88 minutes. In my class it looks like this: warm up activity/attendance question, independent reading, maybe a journal prompt, mini lesson and group practice, independent practice. Or, warm up/read/journal prompt, “workshop” time where some kids are drafting, some are revising, some are in a small group with me while I reteach something.

So study hall for half the time.

Um, no. Independent reading is important for building reading endurance, vocabulary, comprehension. It has measured and proven benefits. Journaling does as well, when students are writing to a prompt they are practicing the writing muscle and developing ideas they’ll later use in their formal written pieces. Independent practice = the graded work on whatever skill we are currently working on. Maybe if you guys knew what words meant and what teaching looks like you wouldn’t be losing your minds over 88 minute classes.

What are you doing while kids do independent work?

Pulling small groups for reteaching and assistance usually since I was able to see in their formatives done in group practice who got it and can move on to practice independently and who needs it again in a smaller group. Additionally, I’m providing help as kids working independently have questions or need assistance. This is what I mean when I say you clearly have no idea what teaching actually is. The fact you even thought this was a gotcha question, lmao.

This has been painfully clear this whole thread.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids APS middle school does it and I hate it. It seems especially bad for the 6th grade pre algebra class. It's hard to learn three years of math in one year when your class only meets 2-3 times a week.

Why would the sixth grade prealgebra class need to teach three years of math?

Yeah I don't understand this either.

It used to be called Math 6-7-8.

It's one year of pre-algrebra. They are not trying to cram three years of material into one year.

How is it not three years of math in one? These kids were all in fifth grade math the year before, at the end of the year they take the 8th grade SOL. That means they have to cover material from.6, 7 and 8th.

DP. You have some bad information. They do not take the 8th grade SOL at the end of 6th grade.

I was told the pre-algebra kids do.

You got bad information. Most APS 8th graders take algebra or geometry in 8th grade. Only those who are effectively on a remedial math track take pre-algebra in 8th grade.

Yes, exactly. Pre-algebra is only one year. If you stretched out Math 6, 7, 8 over three years, it would be remedial and very slow. That's why it's not the same as saying "three years worth of math in one year." Normal course is algebra in 8th.

NP The base case in APS is Algebra 1 in 9th grade. Taking it in 7th or 8th grade is considered accelerated. For kids getting ready to take Algebra 1 in 7th grade, they take Pre-Algebra in 6th, which covers content from 6th, 7th, and 8th grade (standard 8th grade math, not Algebra). At the end of the course, they take the Math 8 SOL to see if they have sufficient mastery to go on Algebra 1 in 7th grade. It is technically three years of content they're covering, but there is overlap between 7th and 8th grade math. Kids taking Algebra 1 in 8th grade cover two years of content in Pre-Algebra in 7th grade (7th and 8th grade content), but again, there is overlap between those two years.

How many APS kids take Algebra 1 in 9th grade? I thought the vast majority take it in 8th, with a few taking it in 7th?

APS provides a class size report. The latest one was not as detailed as prior ones but shows the number of classes with 27 or more students at the HS. So, Wakefield had 7 Alg 1 classes that big, W-L had 2, Yorktown had 4. That would not include any Alg 1 classed with fewer than 27 students. So, sounds like plenty of students do take Alg 1 in HS, although a lot more at Wakefield and the fewest at W-L.

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/2021-22-Class-Size-Report.pdf

This is interesting, thanks.

It might add more insight to look at the 8th grade math classes, given the class size factor in the above data. Wakefield is the most crowded high school currently, drawing from the most crowded middle schools (esp Gunston) which may add to larger class sizes. I was told that last year's freshman Wakefield class was the largest ever. South Arlington also has significantly more immigrants and ESL students who are less likely to be enrolled in middle school Algebra v. affluent north Arlington with parents pushing acceleration more and being able to support that or provide tutoring, etc., to enable more students to take Algebra earlier. Also, I imagine almost all of the Algebra 1 high school students are 9th graders; but there may be a few "repeats" or other exceptions in there.

The 2019-2020 class size report was much more detailed, showing the # of classes, range of sizes and average size for every subject at the middle and high schools.
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Class-Size-Report-Final.pdf

Back then, Wakefield had 12 Alg 1 classes, W-L and Yorktown each had 9 and HB had 2. Based on the reported average, the number taking Alg1 at each school = Wakefield-268 kids, W-L-204, Yorktown-172

Thank you. That is more informative.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a HS teacher and have never taught anything but block. We don’t lecture the entire 88 minutes. In my class it looks like this: warm up activity/attendance question, independent reading, maybe a journal prompt, mini lesson and group practice, independent practice. Or, warm up/read/journal prompt, “workshop” time where some kids are drafting, some are revising, some are in a small group with me while I reteach something.

So study hall for half the time.

Um, no. Independent reading is important for building reading endurance, vocabulary, comprehension. It has measured and proven benefits. Journaling does as well, when students are writing to a prompt they are practicing the writing muscle and developing ideas they’ll later use in their formal written pieces. Independent practice = the graded work on whatever skill we are currently working on. Maybe if you guys knew what words meant and what teaching looks like you wouldn’t be losing your minds over 88 minute classes.

What are you doing while kids do independent work?

OMG can we please stop second-guessing and armchair quarterbacking teachers? Go look at that thread on FCPS teachers who are all miserable and want to quit!

This teacher probably has a million other things to do while kids are reading, including perhaps grading papers or planning the next lesson! Why is there so much complaining. Do we want our kids to have subs all year?

Your response gets to my point. The county does not give them adequate planning time or support, and thus are allocating class time for administrative tasks to save money. That’s why the county likes block scheduling.

Okay, so you prefer traditional scheduling where they have no time during the day at all to do those things and have to work all night at home? That's why we are losing teachers!

I support the model where we have regular periods so kids spend more of their time at school engaged and learning, and then hiring support staff and adequate teachers to allow teachers to be fully engaged in class time and not being work home. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Sure, but that isn't happening, so pick your poison.

My preference is to prioritize instruction time, and then teachers can advocate for more support. Rather than downshifting expectations for in class instruction to gain paid planning time.

Why do you think kids get LESS instructional time with a block schedule?

With a mod schedule in MS, they spend less time changing classes (+4 minutes x 3 changes), less time getting settled & warming up in each classroom (+5 min x 3 classes), and less time reviewing at the end of a class (+2 x 3 classes).

So by only having 4 classes per day instead of seven, they are adding 33+ minutes of meaningful time in class.

Look at the compressed “anchor day” schedule - they have very little time in each class. 46 min.

And whether it’s mod or not, they still have in-class writing assignments, classwork, group work, etc.

How old are your kids? Have they actually been in an APS school with a mod schedule yet?

I think the impression is they get more actual instruction time because the teachers, on an every day schedule, would be "instructing" the whole time - or most of the time - 5 days a week (5 x 40 = 200 minutes of instruction); whereas with the 90 minute blocks, they may only lecture/instruct for half that time (45 x 2 = 90; or 45 x 3 = 135 minutes of actual instruction per week v. the 200 minutes a week from every day). The impression is that there is a lot of non-instruction time taking place that otherwise would not. Kids are doing "homework" in class instead of at home; so class time is being taken up by activity that used to be done after school or outside of class.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids APS middle school does it and I hate it. It seems especially bad for the 6th grade pre algebra class. It's hard to learn three years of math in one year when your class only meets 2-3 times a week.

Why would the sixth grade prealgebra class need to teach three years of math?

Yeah I don't understand this either.

It used to be called Math 6-7-8.

It's one year of pre-algrebra. They are not trying to cram three years of material into one year.

How is it not three years of math in one? These kids were all in fifth grade math the year before, at the end of the year they take the 8th grade SOL. That means they have to cover material from.6, 7 and 8th.

I believe they are one and the same. In the middle school program of studies, there is only one listing, Pre-Algebra for 8th graders.
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Middle-School-POS-2022-23-FINAL.pdf
DP. You have some bad information. They do not take the 8th grade SOL at the end of 6th grade.

I was told the pre-algebra kids do.

You got bad information. Most APS 8th graders take algebra or geometry in 8th grade. Only those who are effectively on a remedial math track take pre-algebra in 8th grade.

Yes, exactly. Pre-algebra is only one year. If you stretched out Math 6, 7, 8 over three years, it would be remedial and very slow. That's why it's not the same as saying "three years worth of math in one year." Normal course is algebra in 8th.

No, "normal" is pre-algebra in 8th. Advanced is algebra in 8th. Algebra is a high school course. That's why they get high school credit for it if they pass it in middle school - whatever year they take it.
"Stretching out Math 6, 7,8 over three years" is called taking grade level math each year. There's nothing "remedial" about that.

Then what is the difference between taking Math 8 vs. pre-algebra in 8th?

I believe they are one and the same. In the middle school program of studies, there is only one listing, Pre-Algebra for 8th graders.
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Middle-School-POS-2022-23-FINAL.pdf

If you are doing Math 6, then Math 7, then pre-algebra over three years, then that is the slowest track. If you are in that track, even if it is not technically called "remedial," you are in there with kids who are behind and may well be remedial.

I don't think you understand the math program. Nobody is doing pre-algebra over 3 years. "Math 8" is "pre-algebra." "Math 6" and "math 7" are the math classes traditionally taken prior to taking pre-algebra; then algebra traditionally taken in 9th. Where are you getting this "pre-algebra over 3 years" idea?

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So study hall for half the time.

Um, no. Independent reading is important for building reading endurance, vocabulary, comprehension. It has measured and proven benefits. Journaling does as well, when students are writing to a prompt they are practicing the writing muscle and developing ideas they’ll later use in their formal written pieces. Independent practice = the graded work on whatever skill we are currently working on. Maybe if you guys knew what words meant and what teaching looks like you wouldn’t be losing your minds over 88 minute classes.

What are you doing while kids do independent work?

OMG can we please stop second-guessing and armchair quarterbacking teachers? Go look at that thread on FCPS teachers who are all miserable and want to quit!

This teacher probably has a million other things to do while kids are reading, including perhaps grading papers or planning the next lesson! Why is there so much complaining. Do we want our kids to have subs all year?

Your response gets to my point. The county does not give them adequate planning time or support, and thus are allocating class time for administrative tasks to save money. That’s why the county likes block scheduling.

Okay, so you prefer traditional scheduling where they have no time during the day at all to do those things and have to work all night at home? That's why we are losing teachers!

I support the model where we have regular periods so kids spend more of their time at school engaged and learning, and then hiring support staff and adequate teachers to allow teachers to be fully engaged in class time and not being work home. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Sure, but that isn't happening, so pick your poison.

My preference is to prioritize instruction time, and then teachers can advocate for more support. Rather than downshifting expectations for in class instruction to gain paid planning time.

So when are the teachers supposed to plan lessons for this instruction time

The way the did for last centure, in a planning period.

Read that FCPS thread about teachers quitting and how they talk about the increased demands from administration, more and more mandatory meetings and committees, not to mention IEP meetings and parents wanting to meet. It's changed a lot over the past century and now appears to be at a tipping point.

Can we not just be grateful that teachers are trying their best no matter what the schedule is? Why try to cut them down picking apart the 90 min. block as if they are wasting that time or getting away with something?

My point is that it is too difficult for a teacher to fill 90 minutes classes, it’s tiring for both teacher and student. I am only bashing the argument that they need the block for planning — that’s some administration should fix.

Why do you think it’s too difficult for a teacher to fill 90 min?

They are filling it! The teacher a couple pages back described exactly how - some presentation, some independent work. That is all part of teaching, it's just some people don't want to accept this for some strange reason.

Perhaps because their kids keep telling them all the non-class related stuff they talk about/do during their classes because they didn't have anything else to do.