Is Shakespeare not taught in DCPS?

[Anonymous]

It's only a matter of time until someone in here tries to use "forsooth" unironically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's only a matter of time until someone in here tries to use "forsooth" unironically.

I miss the 90s/00s trend of over-articulate teenagers. We need to get back to that so the languge geeks in school can feel heard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All of the subsequent literature you mention (Native American, women in lit, African, etc.) is only possible to understand and comprehend in Anglo society, because of Shakespeare. His writing and use of the language is peerless. I promise that of all of the "womens lit" classes you took, you did not encounter an author as important to the foundation of culture and society as Shakespeare.

And it doesn't matter if there are (not "their are") "tons" of more interesting books for youth than Shakespeare. School is not a candy factory, dumbed down to the level of teaching what is of interest to teenagers. Sixteen year olds don't know what they need to know. It is up to educated adults to present to students the information that they need to read and digest in order to become properly educated, literate, functioning members of society, and to advance their way in academia. If you don't understand that, your education failed you.

It’s only possible because England literally colonized Africans and indigenous people. Had y’all stayed in your own country this wouldn’t be a conversation. Stop giving yourself credit you don’t deserve colonizer.

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I'm really concerned for people who call all white people colonizers. My mother was born in a displaced person's camp in Germany after she lost almost her entire family in the Holocaust. Curious where else she was supposed to go and how her immigrating to this country makes her a colonizer?

Where are you seeing people "call all white people colonizers"? PP is pointing out that English (not German, not Jewish) literature is featured in curricula in Africa because it was introduced by colonizers. Are you arguing that the specific English people who colonized Africa are not colonizers? Because they have the same color skin as your mother?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I still want to know more about the poster who took AP English "through high school" (and college!) and studied two semesters of "Old English."

Details, please!

Maybe she took AP English, composition one year and literature one year, hence through high school and repeated while in college, that’s not that rare.

Old English can be a semester of actual Old English (think Beowulf), and a semester of Middle English (think Chaucer).

Why are you nitpicking?

DP here, but if she or he took all that, my guess is that they overdid it and never want to see a "thy" again.

And? Why are you the judge of what people’s academic interests should be? So what if they never want to see a ‘thy’ again? People change career direction all the time.

You've lost the plot here. The point is there is one poster who continues to say that they studied Shakespeare in depth and don't think it's important to be part of the DCPS curiculum. Perhaps that person is turned off by it because of over exposure.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I still want to know more about the poster who took AP English "through high school" (and college!) and studied two semesters of "Old English."

Details, please!

Maybe she took AP English, composition one year and literature one year, hence through high school and repeated while in college, that’s not that rare.

Old English can be a semester of actual Old English (think Beowulf), and a semester of Middle English (think Chaucer).

Why are you nitpicking?

DP here, but if she or he took all that, my guess is that they overdid it and never want to see a "thy" again.

And? Why are you the judge of what people’s academic interests should be? So what if they never want to see a ‘thy’ again? People change career direction all the time.

You've lost the plot here. The point is there is one poster who continues to say that they studied Shakespeare in depth and don't think it's important to be part of the DCPS curiculum. Perhaps that person is turned off by it because of over exposure.

Ok, but why not discuss their arguments for why Shakespeare is not important instead of the English classes she took. Seems that you are contesting her position on Shakespeare by attaching the veracity of her experience in the English classes she took.

I hope you all agree veracity is way better than forsooth in making someone look cultured.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's only a matter of time until someone in here tries to use "forsooth" unironically.

I miss the 90s/00s trend of over-articulate teenagers. We need to get back to that so the languge geeks in school can feel heard.

The shit hath hitith the fan...ith.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of the subsequent literature you mention (Native American, women in lit, African, etc.) is only possible to understand and comprehend in Anglo society, because of Shakespeare. His writing and use of the language is peerless. I promise that of all of the "womens lit" classes you took, you did not encounter an author as important to the foundation of culture and society as Shakespeare.

And it doesn't matter if there are (not "their are") "tons" of more interesting books for youth than Shakespeare. School is not a candy factory, dumbed down to the level of teaching what is of interest to teenagers. Sixteen year olds don't know what they need to know. It is up to educated adults to present to students the information that they need to read and digest in order to become properly educated, literate, functioning members of society, and to advance their way in academia. If you don't understand that, your education failed you.

It’s only possible because England literally colonized Africans and indigenous people. Had y’all stayed in your own country this wouldn’t be a conversation. Stop giving yourself credit you don’t deserve colonizer.

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Calling someone "colonizer" is the same thing as saying, "I'm not competent enough to respond to your argument, so I'll just invoke a woke word instead. . ."

I literally did respond to the argument or do you lack the reading comprehension skills. FYI the way you’re using woke is incorrect. The meaning you’re trying to use woke is something appropriated from AAVE. But I know you want to say the n word so bad but can’t so you settle for “woke.” And white people are colonizers hate to break it to you. Y’all are so lame and weak. Just take your L

I was wondering when the cultural appropriation complaints would surface. How do you know the poster wants to say the n word so bad, is it freshman psych again? Good job showing your own racism claming all white people are colonizers, never mind all the nations in Eastern, Northern, and Southern Europe that never had any colonies.

Your posts are just a collection of ignorant woke cliches: cultural appropriation, patriarchy, white privilege and fragility, trans rights, colonialism and so on. Amazing how this is the standard answer for any topic including the value of studying Shakespeare in high school.

btw woke was used corectly. woke = pejorative for critical studies concepts poorly uderstood and poorly applied common cultural instances

neat. you think trans rights are a cliche.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of the subsequent literature you mention (Native American, women in lit, African, etc.) is only possible to understand and comprehend in Anglo society, because of Shakespeare. His writing and use of the language is peerless. I promise that of all of the "womens lit" classes you took, you did not encounter an author as important to the foundation of culture and society as Shakespeare.

And it doesn't matter if there are (not "their are") "tons" of more interesting books for youth than Shakespeare. School is not a candy factory, dumbed down to the level of teaching what is of interest to teenagers. Sixteen year olds don't know what they need to know. It is up to educated adults to present to students the information that they need to read and digest in order to become properly educated, literate, functioning members of society, and to advance their way in academia. If you don't understand that, your education failed you.

It’s only possible because England literally colonized Africans and indigenous people. Had y’all stayed in your own country this wouldn’t be a conversation. Stop giving yourself credit you don’t deserve colonizer.

+1

Calling someone "colonizer" is the same thing as saying, "I'm not competent enough to respond to your argument, so I'll just invoke a woke word instead. . ."

I literally did respond to the argument or do you lack the reading comprehension skills. FYI the way you’re using woke is incorrect. The meaning you’re trying to use woke is something appropriated from AAVE. But I know you want to say the n word so bad but can’t so you settle for “woke.” And white people are colonizers hate to break it to you. Y’all are so lame and weak. Just take your L

I was wondering when the cultural appropriation complaints would surface. How do you know the poster wants to say the n word so bad, is it freshman psych again? Good job showing your own racism claming all white people are colonizers, never mind all the nations in Eastern, Northern, and Southern Europe that never had any colonies.

Your posts are just a collection of ignorant woke cliches: cultural appropriation, patriarchy, white privilege and fragility, trans rights, colonialism and so on. Amazing how this is the standard answer for any topic including the value of studying Shakespeare in high school.

btw woke was used corectly. woke = pejorative for critical studies concepts poorly uderstood and poorly applied common cultural instances

neat. you think trans rights are a cliche.

You need to work on your spelling, grammar, and writing style.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of the subsequent literature you mention (Native American, women in lit, African, etc.) is only possible to understand and comprehend in Anglo society, because of Shakespeare. His writing and use of the language is peerless. I promise that of all of the "womens lit" classes you took, you did not encounter an author as important to the foundation of culture and society as Shakespeare.

And it doesn't matter if there are (not "their are") "tons" of more interesting books for youth than Shakespeare. School is not a candy factory, dumbed down to the level of teaching what is of interest to teenagers. Sixteen year olds don't know what they need to know. It is up to educated adults to present to students the information that they need to read and digest in order to become properly educated, literate, functioning members of society, and to advance their way in academia. If you don't understand that, your education failed you.

It’s only possible because England literally colonized Africans and indigenous people. Had y’all stayed in your own country this wouldn’t be a conversation. Stop giving yourself credit you don’t deserve colonizer.

+1

I'm really concerned for people who call all white people colonizers. My mother was born in a displaced person's camp in Germany after she lost almost her entire family in the Holocaust. Curious where else she was supposed to go and how her immigrating to this country makes her a colonizer?

Where are you seeing people "call all white people colonizers"? PP is pointing out that English (not German, not Jewish) literature is featured in curricula in Africa because it was introduced by colonizers. Are you arguing that the specific English people who colonized Africa are not colonizers? Because they have the same color skin as your mother?

Are you arguing that studying English and Shakespeare in school is a relic of colonialism and that it should be redressed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of the subsequent literature you mention (Native American, women in lit, African, etc.) is only possible to understand and comprehend in Anglo society, because of Shakespeare. His writing and use of the language is peerless. I promise that of all of the "womens lit" classes you took, you did not encounter an author as important to the foundation of culture and society as Shakespeare.

And it doesn't matter if there are (not "their are") "tons" of more interesting books for youth than Shakespeare. School is not a candy factory, dumbed down to the level of teaching what is of interest to teenagers. Sixteen year olds don't know what they need to know. It is up to educated adults to present to students the information that they need to read and digest in order to become properly educated, literate, functioning members of society, and to advance their way in academia. If you don't understand that, your education failed you.

It’s only possible because England literally colonized Africans and indigenous people. Had y’all stayed in your own country this wouldn’t be a conversation. Stop giving yourself credit you don’t deserve colonizer.

+1

Calling someone "colonizer" is the same thing as saying, "I'm not competent enough to respond to your argument, so I'll just invoke a woke word instead. . ."

I literally did respond to the argument or do you lack the reading comprehension skills. FYI the way you’re using woke is incorrect. The meaning you’re trying to use woke is something appropriated from AAVE. But I know you want to say the n word so bad but can’t so you settle for “woke.” And white people are colonizers hate to break it to you. Y’all are so lame and weak. Just take your L

I was wondering when the cultural appropriation complaints would surface. How do you know the poster wants to say the n word so bad, is it freshman psych again? Good job showing your own racism claming all white people are colonizers, never mind all the nations in Eastern, Northern, and Southern Europe that never had any colonies.

Your posts are just a collection of ignorant woke cliches: cultural appropriation, patriarchy, white privilege and fragility, trans rights, colonialism and so on. Amazing how this is the standard answer for any topic including the value of studying Shakespeare in high school.

btw woke was used corectly. woke = pejorative for critical studies concepts poorly uderstood and poorly applied common cultural instances

neat. you think trans rights are a cliche.

You need to work on your spelling, grammar, and writing style.


No, I agree with protecting trans rights. I don’t agree with the trans hypersensitivity of not being able to take a Chappelle joke and ruining comedy for the rest of us. Apologies for posting from my phone, not going to charge that to satisfy your literary sensitivities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's only a matter of time until someone in here tries to use "forsooth" unironically.

I miss the 90s/00s trend of over-articulate teenagers. We need to get back to that so the languge geeks in school can feel heard.

The shit hath hitith the fan...ith.

Swollen...turgid. Tumescent?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of the subsequent literature you mention (Native American, women in lit, African, etc.) is only possible to understand and comprehend in Anglo society, because of Shakespeare. His writing and use of the language is peerless. I promise that of all of the "womens lit" classes you took, you did not encounter an author as important to the foundation of culture and society as Shakespeare.

And it doesn't matter if there are (not "their are") "tons" of more interesting books for youth than Shakespeare. School is not a candy factory, dumbed down to the level of teaching what is of interest to teenagers. Sixteen year olds don't know what they need to know. It is up to educated adults to present to students the information that they need to read and digest in order to become properly educated, literate, functioning members of society, and to advance their way in academia. If you don't understand that, your education failed you.

It’s only possible because England literally colonized Africans and indigenous people. Had y’all stayed in your own country this wouldn’t be a conversation. Stop giving yourself credit you don’t deserve colonizer.

+1

I'm really concerned for people who call all white people colonizers. My mother was born in a displaced person's camp in Germany after she lost almost her entire family in the Holocaust. Curious where else she was supposed to go and how her immigrating to this country makes her a colonizer?

Where are you seeing people "call all white people colonizers"? PP is pointing out that English (not German, not Jewish) literature is featured in curricula in Africa because it was introduced by colonizers. Are you arguing that the specific English people who colonized Africa are not colonizers? Because they have the same color skin as your mother?


Are you playing dumb? This was literally posted a couple of pages back: "white people are colonizers hate to break it to you."

[Anonymous]

The woketh hath cometh for the bard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One of the most interesting things about English is how weird it is. It uses some of the most simple grammar, but has among the largest vocabularies. (If anyone has a interest, go read Mother Tongue by Bill Bryson, which was way more entertaining than other lingusitic books).

This means that it gives poets and authors great tools to work with - simple frameworks on which they can twist and turn the language to make it express complex ideas a hundred ways. Shakespear did this like no other, and in doing so, he added more and more to our vocabulary. Studying his work is to study why and how English is extrodinary.

What other languages do you intimately speak/read?

The PP's statement is not controversial.

[Anonymous]

It's probably fine if they no longer teach Shakespeare. People have valid feelings around not wanting to glorify colonial oppression and i don't see the relevance to my personal life.