HOPE score/exceptional talent

[Anonymous]

I got my DC HOPE score back and it's pretty bad, ( 4 oftens, 5 sometimes and 2 rarely - no always or almost always).
But what I am even more concerned about is exceptional talent boxes:
She only had Reading marked.

This makes me think DC is a pretty poor candidate but then all the OBJECTIVE data says otherwise.
NNAT 157
Cogat 143
IREADYS 90, 99%
All report cards mostly 4's with occasional 3.
I parent referred as well and added home work samples.
She was in pool at one of the average schools ( not title 1, not McLean, Oakton, Chantilly etc)

Did anyone get in with few/no subjects recommended?
I feel like the top portion might be a distractor and the real issue is how many subjects are checked.

Also anyone with recommendations on how to appeal?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I got my DC HOPE score back and it's pretty bad, ( 4 oftens, 5 sometimes and 2 rarely - no always or almost always).
But what I am even more concerned about is exceptional talent boxes:
She only had Reading marked.

This makes me think DC is a pretty poor candidate but then all the OBJECTIVE data says otherwise.
NNAT 157
Cogat 143
IREADYS 90, 99%
All report cards mostly 4's with occasional 3.
I parent referred as well and added home work samples.
She was in pool at one of the average schools ( not title 1, not McLean, Oakton, Chantilly etc)

Did anyone get in with few/no subjects recommended?
I feel like the top portion might be a distractor and the real issue is how many subjects are checked.

Also anyone with recommendations on how to appeal?

OP --Just to clarify, you have to appeal? Was the 90% iReady in Math? This kid seems like a good candidate, but maybe doesn't shine enough to get the teacher's attention on the subjective stuff. Are you confident she can handle the math (which is the accelerated part of AAP)?

[Anonymous]

I wonder if they're trying to weed out kids who have higher performance due mostly to early reading skills. That early bump often fades when their peers catch up with their language skills (which most will).

If the high iReady was reading, and if Cogat was higher for verbal, I'd lean heavily into other skill sets in the appeal. Really make the case for a well-rounded advanced student, not just an early reader.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if they're trying to weed out kids who have higher performance due mostly to early reading skills. That early bump often fades when their peers catch up with their language skills (which most will).

If the high iReady was reading, and if Cogat was higher for verbal, I'd lean heavily into other skill sets in the appeal. Really make the case for a well-rounded advanced student, not just an early reader.

OP here. Yes, 90% is in math. And DC was early/strong reader.
Cogat was
Verbal 130,
quant 138
Nonverbal 139

I thought verbal would be higher for reading skills and quant/nonverbal for math?

Also only 1 sheet of math school example ( 2 open ended questions)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I got my DC HOPE score back and it's pretty bad, ( 4 oftens, 5 sometimes and 2 rarely - no always or almost always).
But what I am even more concerned about is exceptional talent boxes:
She only had Reading marked.

This makes me think DC is a pretty poor candidate but then all the OBJECTIVE data says otherwise.
NNAT 157
Cogat 143
IREADYS 90, 99%
All report cards mostly 4's with occasional 3.
I parent referred as well and added home work samples.
She was in pool at one of the average schools ( not title 1, not McLean, Oakton, Chantilly etc)

Did anyone get in with few/no subjects recommended?
I feel like the top portion might be a distractor and the real issue is how many subjects are checked.

Also anyone with recommendations on how to appeal?

OP --Just to clarify, you have to appeal? Was the 90% iReady in Math? This kid seems like a good candidate, but maybe doesn't shine enough to get the teacher's attention on the subjective stuff. Are you confident she can handle the math (which is the accelerated part of AAP)?

OP here- We don't HAVE to appeal but we're planning on it since DC scores were so high.
We aren't doing much enrichment at home no Kumon or math tutor or any of that. She gets 4's in math doesn't really miss questions and when I occasionally give her more challenging stuff she does reasonably well with it. She does some multiplication without me/school really teaching. Likes math/puzzles etc.

Would a WISC better evaluate her if her good scores are only from good reading comprehension?
I see people posting on here with I Readys in the 70s and 80s and getting in or appealing with lower Cogat. So I assumed 90% would be strong enough for math.

[Anonymous]

Did you submit strong Math samples? Our kid is super strong at reading so we decided to balance that with math and science related samples and addressing math and science skills/interest in the parent write-up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if they're trying to weed out kids who have higher performance due mostly to early reading skills. That early bump often fades when their peers catch up with their language skills (which most will).

If the high iReady was reading, and if Cogat was higher for verbal, I'd lean heavily into other skill sets in the appeal. Really make the case for a well-rounded advanced student, not just an early reader.

The key is to aim for a well-rounded package that demonstrates need in all areas. HOPE was ok for my DC with only reading marked though other elements of the package supported it and demonstrated equal if not greater strength in math.

[Anonymous]

My DS is in, with similar HOPE, 2 often, 1 neve, and bunch of sometimes/rarely in between. Nothing in always/almost always.

But his HOPE talent section indicated Math, Reading, Visual Art. I guess that's what mattered on HOPE form. If it identifies multiple area of exceptional talent.

His scores were only 2-3 points above your child, I think your child's score are good enough that WISC-V won't help much.

You should focus on your appeal cover letter to debunk hope rating. Also in additional work samples, download math olympiad grade 2 test here
https://ijmo.asia/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Grade-2.pdf

Question 21-30 are Q&A, paste every question on a single sheet of paper and let your child work it out as work sample.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I got my DC HOPE score back and it's pretty bad, ( 4 oftens, 5 sometimes and 2 rarely - no always or almost always).
But what I am even more concerned about is exceptional talent boxes:
She only had Reading marked.

This makes me think DC is a pretty poor candidate but then all the OBJECTIVE data says otherwise.
NNAT 157
Cogat 143
IREADYS 90, 99%
All report cards mostly 4's with occasional 3.
I parent referred as well and added home work samples.
She was in pool at one of the average schools ( not title 1, not McLean, Oakton, Chantilly etc)

Did anyone get in with few/no subjects recommended?
I feel like the top portion might be a distractor and the real issue is how many subjects are checked.

Also anyone with recommendations on how to appeal?

OP --Just to clarify, you have to appeal? Was the 90% iReady in Math? This kid seems like a good candidate, but maybe doesn't shine enough to get the teacher's attention on the subjective stuff. Are you confident she can handle the math (which is the accelerated part of AAP)?

OP here- We don't HAVE to appeal but we're planning on it since DC scores were so high.
We aren't doing much enrichment at home no Kumon or math tutor or any of that. She gets 4's in math doesn't really miss questions and when I occasionally give her more challenging stuff she does reasonably well with it. She does some multiplication without me/school really teaching. Likes math/puzzles etc.

Would a WISC better evaluate her if her good scores are only from good reading comprehension?
I see people posting on here with I Readys in the 70s and 80s and getting in or appealing with lower Cogat. So I assumed 90% would be strong enough for math.

I don't understand why your child isn't already accepted. As I understand it, the overall CogAT higher the components shows he or she did well in all categories. And the high Quant score shows the kid has the capacity for math, so if math iReady is lower that Quant score negates it. My kid had similar stats except lower NNAT and better HOPE. (The HOPE ratings were mostly always, some almost always, and one often. The talent ratings at the bottom included most categories but also showed that the teacher didn't know about things my kid does outside of school.)

If you have the time and money and really want the child in AAP, have the child do a work sample for each category that wasn't marked exceptional AND get a WISC. In the end, you submit only those that are helpful. I agree with others that yours is a case where the most significant thing is going to be another set of eyes looking at the application, but you need to invest the time, money, and effort if you want the kid in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DS is in, with similar HOPE, 2 often, 1 neve, and bunch of sometimes/rarely in between. Nothing in always/almost always.

But his HOPE talent section indicated Math, Reading, Visual Art. I guess that's what mattered on HOPE form. If it identifies multiple area of exceptional talent.

His scores were only 2-3 points above your child, I think your child's score are good enough that WISC-V won't help much.

You should focus on your appeal cover letter to debunk hope rating. Also in additional work samples, download math olympiad grade 2 test here
https://ijmo.asia/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Grade-2.pdf

Question 21-30 are Q&A, paste every question on a single sheet of paper and let your child work it out as work sample.

Thank you! Good math question resources are helpful!