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Anonymous
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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/virginiapolitics/2010/08/law_enforcement_officials_in_v.html
Good for Virginia. Doing what states like MD and DC will NEVER DARE to do. |
Anonymous
Oh you are gonna get it now, I posted about the drunk illegal who killed a nun and all the liberals who think that is ok blasted me. I wonder if they would go to her funeral and blame her for being on the road at 8 am when the drunk illegal had a "right" to be there. I might move to VA now |
Anonymous
No one thinks its OK that anyone was killed you idiot. People just think its tacky to turn that tragedy into a political platform. |
Anonymous
Um, WHAT? ONE person who did not identify ideologically one way or another criticized you for using anecdotal evidence and an appeal to emotion. No one demonstrated that they thought what happened was "ok (sp)" or that the illegal had a "right" to be there. The only argument put forth was on the fallacy of your approach to argument. Why do you insist on victimizing yourself? FWIW, I have no problem with police inquiring/investigating immigration status... so long as they do it 100% of the time. If we give cops "discretion" over whom they chose to investigate, we open up the doors for profiling. I will fully support a measure that requires anyone being arrested to have their immigration/citizenship status checked. |
Anonymous
To go a bit further, I did not even criticize. I merely asked for further evidence. However, in defense of the poster taking offense, I did give lynchings as an extreme example of the use of emotional evidence. I apologize if the poster thought I was calling her/him a lyncher; that was not the intent. |
Anonymous
You are so sure of yourself that you aren't even listening to the other posters. You give conservatives a bad name. |
Anonymous
Yes, they would and, in my opinion, are already doing so by taking up for an illegal driving without a license and insurance. I already live in VA and I've been pulled over and asked dor DL and regisration. I never thought it was racially motivated. Also, GOOD FOR VA. Just a point to consider, being Mexican, or from latin American, is NOT a race but a culture. |
Anonymous
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" Just a point to consider, being Mexican, or from latin American, is NOT a race but a culture."
What does this even mean? Is your point that prejudice can't exist if it is not a race that is targeted? False. Prejudice can exist in a variety of forms. Is your point that there isn't racism in this case because Mexicans are not a race? False. Yes, Mexicans are an ethnicity, not a race. But most Mexicans are descended from indigenous groups, which ARE an identifiable race and the distinguishing characteristics that will potentially be used to determine whether someone is under suspicion of being here illegally are specific to that race. Yes, Mexican is not a race. Neither is English or Italian or Irish. But white is. And indigenous and Mestizo are in just the same way. |
Anonymous
We're talking about yet another human life taken needlessly by a 'catch and release' illegal alien and you are worried about 'tackiness'? Seriously? It's exactly the crux of the issue, but feel free to look away and not let it disturb your predetermined point of view. |
Anonymous
There are plenty of 'white' Latinos. Ever been to Argentina? Venezuela? Peru? Chile? Met all the Latinos of European descent there??? |
Anonymous
Thank you PP. This is totally the point, everything else is smoke and mirrors. The young man should not have still been in this country to kill and maim innocents. Period. |
Anonymous
Did I say "Latinos"? No. Not once. I realize that the people of South and Central America represent a multitude of races. What I DID say was that a majority of Mexicans, particularly those most likely to immigrate here, are of indigenous ancestry. People with those features, whether here legally or not, are the ones most likely to be asked for their papers, simply as a function of their phenotype. I doubt many white Argentines have much to worry about. Why don't you try actually reading what someone writes next time before spouting off with such nonsense? |
Anonymous
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So we are avoiding a logical law so as to avoid a group of people? Seems like condescension to me. Americans of Mexican (indigenous) descent have a right to be protected from the perils of illegal drunk drivers as well who come in all shapes and hues. The direction these laws are taking, that I like, is that police are not hand-tied from inquiring into immigration status and referring on to ICE--whether the person they have stopped 'looks indigenous' or 'looks European'. If they are illegally here and on top of that doing something illegal, police should be able to assess the situation with all the facts and use all the mechanisms of the law to get them off the streets.
Personally, I am all for roadblocks and asking EVERYBODY (me as well) if that makes you more comfortable? |
Anonymous
Yes, ask everyone or ask no one. That is exactly what I advocated at the onset. I can't think of a damn thing that someone could be doing that would make a cop suspicious of their immigration status. There is nothing logical about a law that essentially requires racial and ethnic profiling. Everyone should be protected from drunk drivers. And that should be done with laws against drunk driving. Not laws aimed at a certain segment of the population that is no more likely to drive drunk than any other segment. That is not protection. Arrest drunk drivers for drunk driving and rapists for rape and murderers for murder and drug dealers for drug dealing. If they are here illegally and a proper deportation hearing determines that justice is best served by deporting them, then by all means, do so. But if the idea is that stricter immigration laws (like this) are going to cut down on drunk driving, you are sorely mistaken. All they do is take cops who should be chasing REAL criminals and send them after anyone who "seems" illegal. |
Anonymous
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The everyone part of everyone or no-one takes up more bandwidth than our police can spare.
I vote for random like the searches at the airport. |