Have the HOPE Rating Scales already been filled out?

[Anonymous]

Is it dependent on the school? Are most teachers done filling out the HOPE?

I am curious if I can talk to DS' 2nd grade teacher more frankly. I have some things I want to talk to her about but feel like I have to walk on eggshells to make sure I don't persuade her one way or the other on how she fills out the HOPE for DS.

[Anonymous]

You could ask your AART. I think it's school dependent, but probably with a county-wide deadline that has to be sometime around now.

[Anonymous]

In my ES they are finalizing package this week.

[Anonymous]

I got my DS's application package today, and his HOPE scale is dated 11/XX/2023. I was so surprised that it was done so early.

On another thread someone posted on 12/XX2023 that she got a copy of her child's HOPE scale. So I think she got to see it soon after it was filled out, and I am being a dummy to wait until now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I got my DS's application package today, and his HOPE scale is dated 11/XX/2023. I was so surprised that it was done so early.

On another thread someone posted on 12/XX2023 that she got a copy of her child's HOPE scale. So I think she got to see it soon after it was filled out, and I am being a dummy to wait until now.

The person who had posted their scores had applied from a private school so the application process was different. I would be surprised if your child’s was completed in November given that applications were not due until December.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I got my DS's application package today, and his HOPE scale is dated 11/XX/2023. I was so surprised that it was done so early.

On another thread someone posted on 12/XX2023 that she got a copy of her child's HOPE scale. So I think she got to see it soon after it was filled out, and I am being a dummy to wait until now.

The person who had posted their scores had applied from a private school so the application process was different. I would be surprised if your child’s was completed in November given that applications were not due until December.

On the HOPE scale sheet it has a date on the upper right corner, it says 11/XX/2023. The AAP package summary sheet has Feb. 2024 date. I don't want to ask AART for such trivial thing, but I assume the Nov. date is there because that's the time they filled it out. My child is a typical 2nd grader candidate, being with FCPS from K etc.

The HOPE scale my DS got isn't great. Best rating was "Often", not a single Always or Almost Always, as compared to that "private school" sample. Kind of relieved it's from private school and wondering if FCPS scores are universally lower? Not going to lie but I strongly disagree with the rating. Respect the teachers and it's what it is, can't argue with the score card even it is wrong. We'll see if he gets in.

[Anonymous]

Professor Po-Shen Loh, the coach for US math Olympiad team, said that for genuine self-learners, they don't need TJ. They can go to base school and after 2:30 dismissal they can just sit in their room and study ahead of any advanced subjects themselves. Going to TJ would put extra demand on subjects they are not interested in.

He also said at every Olympiad camp, there is little difference between student in second place and 50th place in terms of intelligence, but the student in 1st place is way above everyone else and nobody knows how he get that good.

So I guess he meant for the truly genius students, a very small portion of good students, they don't need TJ.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I got my DS's application package today, and his HOPE scale is dated 11/XX/2023. I was so surprised that it was done so early.

On another thread someone posted on 12/XX2023 that she got a copy of her child's HOPE scale. So I think she got to see it soon after it was filled out, and I am being a dummy to wait until now.

The person who had posted their scores had applied from a private school so the application process was different. I would be surprised if your child’s was completed in November given that applications were not due until December.

On the HOPE scale sheet it has a date on the upper right corner, it says 11/XX/2023. The AAP package summary sheet has Feb. 2024 date. I don't want to ask AART for such trivial thing, but I assume the Nov. date is there because that's the time they filled it out. My child is a typical 2nd grader candidate, being with FCPS from K etc.

The HOPE scale my DS got isn't great. Best rating was "Often", not a single Always or Almost Always, as compared to that "private school" sample. Kind of relieved it's from private school and wondering if FCPS scores are universally lower? Not going to lie but I strongly disagree with the rating. Respect the teachers and it's what it is, can't argue with the score card even it is wrong. We'll see if he gets in.

I think kids don’t always show the same things in school as they do at home. So while you may disagree, it may be what she is seeing in the classroom.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I got my DS's application package today, and his HOPE scale is dated 11/XX/2023. I was so surprised that it was done so early.

On another thread someone posted on 12/XX2023 that she got a copy of her child's HOPE scale. So I think she got to see it soon after it was filled out, and I am being a dummy to wait until now.

The person who had posted their scores had applied from a private school so the application process was different. I would be surprised if your child’s was completed in November given that applications were not due until December.

On the HOPE scale sheet it has a date on the upper right corner, it says 11/XX/2023. The AAP package summary sheet has Feb. 2024 date. I don't want to ask AART for such trivial thing, but I assume the Nov. date is there because that's the time they filled it out. My child is a typical 2nd grader candidate, being with FCPS from K etc.

The HOPE scale my DS got isn't great. Best rating was "Often", not a single Always or Almost Always, as compared to that "private school" sample. Kind of relieved it's from private school and wondering if FCPS scores are universally lower? Not going to lie but I strongly disagree with the rating. Respect the teachers and it's what it is, can't argue with the score card even it is wrong. We'll see if he gets in.

I think kids don’t always show the same things in school as they do at home. So while you may disagree, it may be what she is seeing in the classroom.

That's why I know arguing this is fruitless, of course the rating has presumption of validity in everyone else's eyes. I am not a crazy person.

But I also took my sons to sports and other enrichment activities. The rating doesn't conform to what I observed in those places, esp. social aspect. Trust me I am the one trying not to be over-critical of my own son.

Hope he gets in despite of it, otherwise I'd certainly be appealing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I got my DS's application package today, and his HOPE scale is dated 11/XX/2023. I was so surprised that it was done so early.

On another thread someone posted on 12/XX2023 that she got a copy of her child's HOPE scale. So I think she got to see it soon after it was filled out, and I am being a dummy to wait until now.

The person who had posted their scores had applied from a private school so the application process was different. I would be surprised if your child’s was completed in November given that applications were not due until December.

On the HOPE scale sheet it has a date on the upper right corner, it says 11/XX/2023. The AAP package summary sheet has Feb. 2024 date. I don't want to ask AART for such trivial thing, but I assume the Nov. date is there because that's the time they filled it out. My child is a typical 2nd grader candidate, being with FCPS from K etc.

The HOPE scale my DS got isn't great. Best rating was "Often", not a single Always or Almost Always, as compared to that "private school" sample. Kind of relieved it's from private school and wondering if FCPS scores are universally lower? Not going to lie but I strongly disagree with the rating. Respect the teachers and it's what it is, can't argue with the score card even it is wrong. We'll see if he gets in.

I think kids don’t always show the same things in school as they do at home. So while you may disagree, it may be what she is seeing in the classroom.

NP — it’s one teacher’s opinion and is given a ridiculous amount of weight in the application process. DC had a teacher who had no idea what she was doing last yr and GBRS reflected that. Unsurprisingly, that class had low AAP acceptance rates vs. other classes at the same school. What I learned in the appeal process is that GBRS (I’m assuming HOPE is being used the same way as GBRS, but not entirely sure about that) is assessed every year before 2nd (w/o commentary, just scores) so I requested scores from 1st. My kid had all consistently observed and 1 frequently observed on the 1st grade ratings. A few months later, in fall of 2nd, she suddenly had all frequently observed w/ the new teacher. It’s absurd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I got my DS's application package today, and his HOPE scale is dated 11/XX/2023. I was so surprised that it was done so early.

On another thread someone posted on 12/XX2023 that she got a copy of her child's HOPE scale. So I think she got to see it soon after it was filled out, and I am being a dummy to wait until now.

The person who had posted their scores had applied from a private school so the application process was different. I would be surprised if your child’s was completed in November given that applications were not due until December.

On the HOPE scale sheet it has a date on the upper right corner, it says 11/XX/2023. The AAP package summary sheet has Feb. 2024 date. I don't want to ask AART for such trivial thing, but I assume the Nov. date is there because that's the time they filled it out. My child is a typical 2nd grader candidate, being with FCPS from K etc.

The HOPE scale my DS got isn't great. Best rating was "Often", not a single Always or Almost Always, as compared to that "private school" sample. Kind of relieved it's from private school and wondering if FCPS scores are universally lower? Not going to lie but I strongly disagree with the rating. Respect the teachers and it's what it is, can't argue with the score card even it is wrong. We'll see if he gets in.

I think kids don’t always show the same things in school as they do at home. So while you may disagree, it may be what she is seeing in the classroom.

NP — it’s one teacher’s opinion and is given a ridiculous amount of weight in the application process. DC had a teacher who had no idea what she was doing last yr and GBRS reflected that. Unsurprisingly, that class had low AAP acceptance rates vs. other classes at the same school. What I learned in the appeal process is that GBRS (I’m assuming HOPE is being used the same way as GBRS, but not entirely sure about that) is assessed every year before 2nd (w/o commentary, just scores) so I requested scores from 1st. My kid had all consistently observed and 1 frequently observed on the 1st grade ratings. A few months later, in fall of 2nd, she suddenly had all frequently observed w/ the new teacher. It’s absurd.

This gives me some hope. DS was placed into Level 2 service for second grade for 2023-2024 school year, so he must have a good GBRS/HOPE rating back in 5/2023. If I had to appeal I'd make sure to get that rating from 5/2023.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I got my DS's application package today, and his HOPE scale is dated 11/XX/2023. I was so surprised that it was done so early.

On another thread someone posted on 12/XX2023 that she got a copy of her child's HOPE scale. So I think she got to see it soon after it was filled out, and I am being a dummy to wait until now.

The person who had posted their scores had applied from a private school so the application process was different. I would be surprised if your child’s was completed in November given that applications were not due until December.

On the HOPE scale sheet it has a date on the upper right corner, it says 11/XX/2023. The AAP package summary sheet has Feb. 2024 date. I don't want to ask AART for such trivial thing, but I assume the Nov. date is there because that's the time they filled it out. My child is a typical 2nd grader candidate, being with FCPS from K etc.

The HOPE scale my DS got isn't great. Best rating was "Often", not a single Always or Almost Always, as compared to that "private school" sample. Kind of relieved it's from private school and wondering if FCPS scores are universally lower? Not going to lie but I strongly disagree with the rating. Respect the teachers and it's what it is, can't argue with the score card even it is wrong. We'll see if he gets in.

Thank you for the context. I wonder if they did HOPE scores for all kids after the first quarter or something, it just seems strange that they would do them for an AAP packet before applications were due.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I got my DS's application package today, and his HOPE scale is dated 11/XX/2023. I was so surprised that it was done so early.

On another thread someone posted on 12/XX2023 that she got a copy of her child's HOPE scale. So I think she got to see it soon after it was filled out, and I am being a dummy to wait until now.

The person who had posted their scores had applied from a private school so the application process was different. I would be surprised if your child’s was completed in November given that applications were not due until December.

On the HOPE scale sheet it has a date on the upper right corner, it says 11/XX/2023. The AAP package summary sheet has Feb. 2024 date. I don't want to ask AART for such trivial thing, but I assume the Nov. date is there because that's the time they filled it out. My child is a typical 2nd grader candidate, being with FCPS from K etc.

The HOPE scale my DS got isn't great. Best rating was "Often", not a single Always or Almost Always, as compared to that "private school" sample. Kind of relieved it's from private school and wondering if FCPS scores are universally lower? Not going to lie but I strongly disagree with the rating. Respect the teachers and it's what it is, can't argue with the score card even it is wrong. We'll see if he gets in.

I think kids don’t always show the same things in school as they do at home. So while you may disagree, it may be what she is seeing in the classroom.

NP — it’s one teacher’s opinion and is given a ridiculous amount of weight in the application process. DC had a teacher who had no idea what she was doing last yr and GBRS reflected that. Unsurprisingly, that class had low AAP acceptance rates vs. other classes at the same school. What I learned in the appeal process is that GBRS (I’m assuming HOPE is being used the same way as GBRS, but not entirely sure about that) is assessed every year before 2nd (w/o commentary, just scores) so I requested scores from 1st. My kid had all consistently observed and 1 frequently observed on the 1st grade ratings. A few months later, in fall of 2nd, she suddenly had all frequently observed w/ the new teacher. It’s absurd.

It's given a large amount of weight in the application process because report cards are meaningless (3? 4? 2?) and because test scores are unreliable (test prepping has really taken off in the past few years and, while not universal, is widespread especially in some areas). So that leaves the HOPE/GBRS. This is what parents have led the schools to value because it's the only thing that is not being gamed by parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I got my DS's application package today, and his HOPE scale is dated 11/XX/2023. I was so surprised that it was done so early.

On another thread someone posted on 12/XX2023 that she got a copy of her child's HOPE scale. So I think she got to see it soon after it was filled out, and I am being a dummy to wait until now.

The person who had posted their scores had applied from a private school so the application process was different. I would be surprised if your child’s was completed in November given that applications were not due until December.

On the HOPE scale sheet it has a date on the upper right corner, it says 11/XX/2023. The AAP package summary sheet has Feb. 2024 date. I don't want to ask AART for such trivial thing, but I assume the Nov. date is there because that's the time they filled it out. My child is a typical 2nd grader candidate, being with FCPS from K etc.

The HOPE scale my DS got isn't great. Best rating was "Often", not a single Always or Almost Always, as compared to that "private school" sample. Kind of relieved it's from private school and wondering if FCPS scores are universally lower? Not going to lie but I strongly disagree with the rating. Respect the teachers and it's what it is, can't argue with the score card even it is wrong. We'll see if he gets in.

I think kids don’t always show the same things in school as they do at home. So while you may disagree, it may be what she is seeing in the classroom.

NP — it’s one teacher’s opinion and is given a ridiculous amount of weight in the application process. DC had a teacher who had no idea what she was doing last yr and GBRS reflected that. Unsurprisingly, that class had low AAP acceptance rates vs. other classes at the same school. What I learned in the appeal process is that GBRS (I’m assuming HOPE is being used the same way as GBRS, but not entirely sure about that) is assessed every year before 2nd (w/o commentary, just scores) so I requested scores from 1st. My kid had all consistently observed and 1 frequently observed on the 1st grade ratings. A few months later, in fall of 2nd, she suddenly had all frequently observed w/ the new teacher. It’s absurd.

It's given a large amount of weight in the application process because report cards are meaningless (3? 4? 2?) and because test scores are unreliable (test prepping has really taken off in the past few years and, while not universal, is widespread especially in some areas). So that leaves the HOPE/GBRS. This is what parents have led the schools to value because it's the only thing that is not being gamed by parents.

Yes, I know why it’s given the large amount of weight, which is problematic bc it’s also a flawed metric. I agree with you that prepping parents drove the process in this direction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I got my DS's application package today, and his HOPE scale is dated 11/XX/2023. I was so surprised that it was done so early.

On another thread someone posted on 12/XX2023 that she got a copy of her child's HOPE scale. So I think she got to see it soon after it was filled out, and I am being a dummy to wait until now.

The person who had posted their scores had applied from a private school so the application process was different. I would be surprised if your child’s was completed in November given that applications were not due until December.

On the HOPE scale sheet it has a date on the upper right corner, it says 11/XX/2023. The AAP package summary sheet has Feb. 2024 date. I don't want to ask AART for such trivial thing, but I assume the Nov. date is there because that's the time they filled it out. My child is a typical 2nd grader candidate, being with FCPS from K etc.

The HOPE scale my DS got isn't great. Best rating was "Often", not a single Always or Almost Always, as compared to that "private school" sample. Kind of relieved it's from private school and wondering if FCPS scores are universally lower? Not going to lie but I strongly disagree with the rating. Respect the teachers and it's what it is, can't argue with the score card even it is wrong. We'll see if he gets in.

I think kids don’t always show the same things in school as they do at home. So while you may disagree, it may be what she is seeing in the classroom.

NP — it’s one teacher’s opinion and is given a ridiculous amount of weight in the application process. DC had a teacher who had no idea what she was doing last yr and GBRS reflected that. Unsurprisingly, that class had low AAP acceptance rates vs. other classes at the same school. What I learned in the appeal process is that GBRS (I’m assuming HOPE is being used the same way as GBRS, but not entirely sure about that) is assessed every year before 2nd (w/o commentary, just scores) so I requested scores from 1st. My kid had all consistently observed and 1 frequently observed on the 1st grade ratings. A few months later, in fall of 2nd, she suddenly had all frequently observed w/ the new teacher. It’s absurd.

It's given a large amount of weight in the application process because report cards are meaningless (3? 4? 2?) and because test scores are unreliable (test prepping has really taken off in the past few years and, while not universal, is widespread especially in some areas). So that leaves the HOPE/GBRS. This is what parents have led the schools to value because it's the only thing that is not being gamed by parents.

Parents try and game the system with the GBRS/HOPE scores. One of the reason that Teachers are told to not discuss AAP with parents is to prevent that but the posts here clearly demonstrate that different schools handle AAP differently. Some schools have AARTs that will review parent referals and work samples for parents while others have a strict no discussion policy. You don't think that the schools were AARTs and Teachers who are openly working with parents are not prone to HOPE scores being influenced? DS's school did not discuss AAP with parents. We mentioned that we were thinking about applying for him in Second grade and his Teacher was very clear that it was not something they could discuss. We were fine with that and respected that line. I trusted what they put for GBRS comments because the examples they gave and explanations were honest, the vast majority were positive but one was critical. My friends reported that their GBRSs were less flattering. The comments and scores I hear people talk about the GBRS they got from Teachers at schools were there is more open discussion about AAP seem to be very different then what we saw. And yes, I suspect that the Committee knows what schools ignore the "Don't discuss AAP" rule.