Will child get in with average report card and high cogat score of 135?

[Anonymous]

How do they select? How many students to each center?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do they select? How many students to each center?

The answer is no one knows. What type of school is your child at? A Title 1 or a high SES or something in between.

A 135 is a great score, my child had an 135 on the NNAT and CoGAT, but it is no longer a guarantee of being in-pool. There are schools were a 135 will seem to be low, it’s not. It is in the 99th percentile but compared to a cut off of 140 or higher, a 135 is less exciting.

My kids grades were pretty much all 4’s, there was the occasional 3 in writing due to their handwriting being sloppy. Writing was called out as something that they were not strong at in the GBRS’s but that comment was balanced with a comment on how well spoken they are and how they were advanced in their verbal explanation. Math was never in question

I would guess that any child with mainly 3’s is going to struggle to get into AAP regardless of test scores. They are not showing that they are mastering material that is moving at a pretty slow pace in first and second grade so why would they need an advanced class that moves at a faster pace?

But that is a guess, which is the best that any of us can do here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do they select? How many students to each center?

The answer is no one knows. What type of school is your child at? A Title 1 or a high SES or something in between.

A 135 is a great score, my child had an 135 on the NNAT and CoGAT, but it is no longer a guarantee of being in-pool. There are schools were a 135 will seem to be low, it’s not. It is in the 99th percentile but compared to a cut off of 140 or higher, a 135 is less exciting.

My kids grades were pretty much all 4’s, there was the occasional 3 in writing due to their handwriting being sloppy. Writing was called out as something that they were not strong at in the GBRS’s but that comment was balanced with a comment on how well spoken they are and how they were advanced in their verbal explanation. Math was never in question

I would guess that any child with mainly 3’s is going to struggle to get into AAP regardless of test scores. They are not showing that they are mastering material that is moving at a pretty slow pace in first and second grade so why would they need an advanced class that moves at a faster pace?

But that is a guess, which is the best that any of us can do here.

NP. This is not our experience. DS1 was admitted first round in pool with good test scores, okay GBRS and mostly 3s. DS2 was admitted on appeal with middling test scores, poor GBRS and 3s and 4s.

DS1 took Algebra in 7th grade and is doing fine in Geometry. DS2 is in ES, gets 3s and 4s still, and will take Algebra in 8th grade.

Different teachers and schools mean different things with their grades. And the committee knows that. The comments on the old GBRS and the parent forms, and the comments on the new HOPE form are more important than whether the report card has 3s or 4s, IMHO.

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Anonymous wrote:How do they select? How many students to each center?

Allegedly, its not supposed to count students from a center perspective, which is why it's centralized, but anecdotally, the discrepancy between those chosen in some locales than others is disturbingly different. Additionally, it seems to change year to year to account for people who constantly attempt to game the system. So, in other words, no one can really answer this for you. Sorry.

I give your chances higher than 50%; regardless of what you hear on this board, 135 is an excellent score.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do they select? How many students to each center?

Allegedly, its not supposed to count students from a center perspective, which is why it's centralized, but anecdotally, the discrepancy between those chosen in some locales than others is disturbingly different. Additionally, it seems to change year to year to account for people who constantly attempt to game the system. So, in other words, no one can really answer this for you. Sorry.

I give your chances higher than 50%; regardless of what you hear on this board, 135 is an excellent score.

Folks on this forum think a score of 140 is terrible.

[Anonymous]

sure

[Anonymous]

135 is high?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:135 is high?

Yes, it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do they select? How many students to each center?

The answer is no one knows. What type of school is your child at? A Title 1 or a high SES or something in between.

A 135 is a great score, my child had an 135 on the NNAT and CoGAT, but it is no longer a guarantee of being in-pool. There are schools were a 135 will seem to be low, it’s not. It is in the 99th percentile but compared to a cut off of 140 or higher, a 135 is less exciting.

My kids grades were pretty much all 4’s, there was the occasional 3 in writing due to their handwriting being sloppy. Writing was called out as something that they were not strong at in the GBRS’s but that comment was balanced with a comment on how well spoken they are and how they were advanced in their verbal explanation. Math was never in question

I would guess that any child with mainly 3’s is going to struggle to get into AAP regardless of test scores. They are not showing that they are mastering material that is moving at a pretty slow pace in first and second grade so why would they need an advanced class that moves at a faster pace?

But that is a guess, which is the best that any of us can do here.

Yeah, I agree with the PP who says this isn't true. My kids have had teachers do the whole "give 3s in first and second quarter and move to 4s even though the kid is doing the same quality work so that I, as teacher, and prove my worth." My kids have had teachers who do the "I will only give you 4s if the entire unit you are performing on a grade level ahead of the material." And my kids have had teachers who give 4s very liberally and easily. There is no rhyme or reason to whether these teachers are gen ed or level IV, higher grades or lower grades. There's exactly no standarization in "standards-based" grading, and of course the teachers don't have to prove the reason for the grades, so some of them absolutely pull stunts.

[Anonymous]

135 is high but i hear they're really cracking down on AAP admissions. In the old days, 132 could get you in the pool county wide. Now at some high ES schools - 135 is not in the local pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:135 is high?

Yes, it is.

Is 135 in stanine 9, i.e. 96-99%?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:135 is high?

Yes, it is.

Is 135 in stanine 9, i.e. 96-99%?

Yes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do they select? How many students to each center?

The answer is no one knows. What type of school is your child at? A Title 1 or a high SES or something in between.

A 135 is a great score, my child had an 135 on the NNAT and CoGAT, but it is no longer a guarantee of being in-pool. There are schools were a 135 will seem to be low, it’s not. It is in the 99th percentile but compared to a cut off of 140 or higher, a 135 is less exciting.

My kids grades were pretty much all 4’s, there was the occasional 3 in writing due to their handwriting being sloppy. Writing was called out as something that they were not strong at in the GBRS’s but that comment was balanced with a comment on how well spoken they are and how they were advanced in their verbal explanation. Math was never in question

I would guess that any child with mainly 3’s is going to struggle to get into AAP regardless of test scores. They are not showing that they are mastering material that is moving at a pretty slow pace in first and second grade so why would they need an advanced class that moves at a faster pace?

But that is a guess, which is the best that any of us can do here.

How do you know the cut off is 140 or higher?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do they select? How many students to each center?

The answer is no one knows. What type of school is your child at? A Title 1 or a high SES or something in between.

A 135 is a great score, my child had an 135 on the NNAT and CoGAT, but it is no longer a guarantee of being in-pool. There are schools were a 135 will seem to be low, it’s not. It is in the 99th percentile but compared to a cut off of 140 or higher, a 135 is less exciting.

My kids grades were pretty much all 4’s, there was the occasional 3 in writing due to their handwriting being sloppy. Writing was called out as something that they were not strong at in the GBRS’s but that comment was balanced with a comment on how well spoken they are and how they were advanced in their verbal explanation. Math was never in question

I would guess that any child with mainly 3’s is going to struggle to get into AAP regardless of test scores. They are not showing that they are mastering material that is moving at a pretty slow pace in first and second grade so why would they need an advanced class that moves at a faster pace?

But that is a guess, which is the best that any of us can do here.

How do you know the cut off is 140 or higher?

It's by school, and it's the top 10% of each 2nd grade at each school based on the average (at least in prior years, nobody's said for sure this year) of NNAT and CogAT. So to say it's 140 or higher isn't exactly right. And which parts of CogAT they are averaging I've never seen published.

At some schools it may well be close to 140 as the average. If you have a small grade of smart kids you may get 5 or 6 in pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do they select? How many students to each center?

The answer is no one knows. What type of school is your child at? A Title 1 or a high SES or something in between.

A 135 is a great score, my child had an 135 on the NNAT and CoGAT, but it is no longer a guarantee of being in-pool. There are schools were a 135 will seem to be low, it’s not. It is in the 99th percentile but compared to a cut off of 140 or higher, a 135 is less exciting.

My kids grades were pretty much all 4’s, there was the occasional 3 in writing due to their handwriting being sloppy. Writing was called out as something that they were not strong at in the GBRS’s but that comment was balanced with a comment on how well spoken they are and how they were advanced in their verbal explanation. Math was never in question

I would guess that any child with mainly 3’s is going to struggle to get into AAP regardless of test scores. They are not showing that they are mastering material that is moving at a pretty slow pace in first and second grade so why would they need an advanced class that moves at a faster pace?

But that is a guess, which is the best that any of us can do here.

How do you know the cut off is 140 or higher?

Chantilly Pyramid (not the center school) last year was higher than 136 per personal experience