DC United Academy - aa strong academy or not

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Anonymous wrote:I heard a false rumor that two DC Academy players are currently at Nottingham Forest and Bournemouth in the Premier League

But that can't be true, because the Academy at DCU can't develop or produce professionals.

Especially to the best League in the World

Fletcher never spent a day at DCU Academy. Not one. All Bethesda.

Oh, Fletcher went from Bethesda last season straight to Nottingham Forest?

That's a big feather in the cap for BSC

You mean the two players that DCU recruited after becoming a fully funded academy? So yes, great work Bethesda and all the other clubs that develop these kids foundationally. You are just like every other youth club that had players recruited from them for a MLS academy and then move into a professional role. Not really proving a whole lot there as far as DC being lacking. If nothing else, it speaks to their recruitment choices. But feathers in the cap for everyone. Whoo! The MLS Academy setting matters. The connection matters. Whether you like it or not.

Year after year Fletcher, Ku Di Pietro, Paredes, and Hopkins all had DCU Academy in their back yard and did not play for them. Was this a lack of interest on their part or that of the academy? Two of them are playing in Europe after playing for Bethesda and Loudoun and two were developed by Arlington and signed by DCU first team. The academy had no role in their development. These are four of the most successful players to come out of this area - ever. The Academy never touched them. So tell me how that gives the academy credence?

Anyone claiming Bethesda Soccer Club is responsible for developing players to Professional levels is taking this thread for a joke in a disrespectful manner.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard a false rumor that two DC Academy players are currently at Nottingham Forest and Bournemouth in the Premier League

But that can't be true, because the Academy at DCU can't develop or produce professionals.

Especially to the best League in the World

Fletcher never spent a day at DCU Academy. Not one. All Bethesda.

Oh, Fletcher went from Bethesda last season straight to Nottingham Forest?

That's a big feather in the cap for BSC

You mean the two players that DCU recruited after becoming a fully funded academy? So yes, great work Bethesda and all the other clubs that develop these kids foundationally. You are just like every other youth club that had players recruited from them for a MLS academy and then move into a professional role. Not really proving a whole lot there as far as DC being lacking. If nothing else, it speaks to their recruitment choices. But feathers in the cap for everyone. Whoo! The MLS Academy setting matters. The connection matters. Whether you like it or not.

Year after year Fletcher, Ku Di Pietro, Paredes, and Hopkins all had DCU Academy in their back yard and did not play for them. Was this a lack of interest on their part or that of the academy? Two of them are playing in Europe after playing for Bethesda and Loudoun and two were developed by Arlington and signed by DCU first team. The academy had no role in their development. These are four of the most successful players to come out of this area - ever. The Academy never touched them. So tell me how that gives the academy credence?

Anyone claiming Bethesda Soccer Club is responsible for developing players to Professional levels is taking this thread for a joke in a disrespectful manner.

Last thing we want in this thread is to be disrespectful!

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Anonymous wrote:I heard a false rumor that two DC Academy players are currently at Nottingham Forest and Bournemouth in the Premier League

But that can't be true, because the Academy at DCU can't develop or produce professionals.

Especially to the best League in the World

Fletcher never spent a day at DCU Academy. Not one. All Bethesda.

Oh, Fletcher went from Bethesda last season straight to Nottingham Forest?

That's a big feather in the cap for BSC

You mean the two players that DCU recruited after becoming a fully funded academy? So yes, great work Bethesda and all the other clubs that develop these kids foundationally. You are just like every other youth club that had players recruited from them for a MLS academy and then move into a professional role. Not really proving a whole lot there as far as DC being lacking. If nothing else, it speaks to their recruitment choices. But feathers in the cap for everyone. Whoo! The MLS Academy setting matters. The connection matters. Whether you like it or not.

Year after year Fletcher, Ku Di Pietro, Paredes, and Hopkins all had DCU Academy in their back yard and did not play for them. Was this a lack of interest on their part or that of the academy? Two of them are playing in Europe after playing for Bethesda and Loudoun and two were developed by Arlington and signed by DCU first team. The academy had no role in their development. These are four of the most successful players to come out of this area - ever. The Academy never touched them. So tell me how that gives the academy credence?

Anyone claiming Bethesda Soccer Club is responsible for developing players to Professional levels is taking this thread for a joke in a disrespectful manner.

Bethesda is merely a benefactor of being in an area rich with soccer talent. As is DCU. A broken clock is right twice per day.
But the poster has a point. Why do kids who have Premier League and Bundesliga talent opt to not play for the local MLS Academy?

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Anonymous wrote:I heard a false rumor that two DC Academy players are currently at Nottingham Forest and Bournemouth in the Premier League

But that can't be true, because the Academy at DCU can't develop or produce professionals.

Especially to the best League in the World

Fletcher never spent a day at DCU Academy. Not one. All Bethesda.

Oh, Fletcher went from Bethesda last season straight to Nottingham Forest?

That's a big feather in the cap for BSC

You mean the two players that DCU recruited after becoming a fully funded academy? So yes, great work Bethesda and all the other clubs that develop these kids foundationally. You are just like every other youth club that had players recruited from them for a MLS academy and then move into a professional role. Not really proving a whole lot there as far as DC being lacking. If nothing else, it speaks to their recruitment choices. But feathers in the cap for everyone. Whoo! The MLS Academy setting matters. The connection matters. Whether you like it or not.

Year after year Fletcher, Ku Di Pietro, Paredes, and Hopkins all had DCU Academy in their back yard and did not play for them. Was this a lack of interest on their part or that of the academy? Two of them are playing in Europe after playing for Bethesda and Loudoun and two were developed by Arlington and signed by DCU first team. The academy had no role in their development. These are four of the most successful players to come out of this area - ever. The Academy never touched them. So tell me how that gives the academy credence?

Anyone claiming Bethesda Soccer Club is responsible for developing players to Professional levels is taking this thread for a joke in a disrespectful manner.

Bethesda is merely a benefactor of being in an area rich with soccer talent. As is DCU. A broken clock is right twice per day.
But the poster has a point. Why do kids who have Premier League and Bundesliga talent opt to not play for the local MLS Academy?

Because it is known, just like everyone knew the Commanders organization was terrible in the Snyder era, that DCU is not a good organization to be involved with/in. It is the only MLS game in town and because of that it has some power and control of the player pool and players need to engage DCU to some extent because of this. Why you see short stints at DCU in older ages and then bouncing to bigger and better opportunities.

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Maybe they are trying to be better. And that is a fair assessment. But it doesn't hide the fact that they are not where they need to be as an academy given how much talent is in our area.

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Anonymous wrote:Also my first day posting here. And I can tell you that one of the players on Arlington U19 that kicked the crap out of DCU this weekend was actually on DCU until this year. He could not longer pretend that DCU was making him a better player. Looks like he made a wise move.

U18 onwards is time to perform

Looking for youth development at U19 you missed the boat

In November Alexandria U19s beat Philly Union. So let's also say Philly Union is crap based on the lack of football knowledge and logic in this gossip forum

OK, I am fine with that. Most of the MLS academies are nothing but talent brokers. They recruit a bunch of already skilled players and hope to sell 1 out of 100 to legitimate teams overseas.

I tend to agree with this. Although there are a few academies that are decent developers of talent. Not great, but decent. DCU is absolutely not one of them.

Yes, they are all about winning.

That's why the stronger players in each age group train with and play with older age groups.
No development happening there.

Playing up does not equal development If you're not impacting the game playing up the same way you would be doing on age then playing up is much less beneficial. Barely hanging on playing up is a move backwards not forwards.

No development is happening at DCU, that is absolutely correct.

Then tell us the exact steps dcua should be doing with them for their development that's not being done.

Be very precise when laying it out.

Since training with older age groups and playing against older competition (which is a development philosophy in every top academy in the world) is a negative thing at dcua.

That's DCUs job not mine. Training in older ages is a great tool when used correctly. DCU just doesn't use that tool correctly. They often play kids up that are physically developed and who are also not absolutely dominating on age. Meaning there is a lot they can still learn playing on age about how to actually play. Instead they have them rely on their size to get by instead of their technical ability and smarts. It's a balance and that balance is usually not well maintained at DCU. The product of that is a mindset that physical dominance is the way to play. When that runs out, the players struggle. You start to see this at u15 and u16. And it carries to older ages. It's a hard balance to strike and it takes some real strategy and thinking around player management and progression. Something that I don't see at DCU. Of course playing up can be helpful the decision just needs to be made strategically along many dimensions not just you're big enough and fast enough to play up, go ahead.

So to be clear, you feel they lack player development because you think they pull kids up based on size and not skill? Your suggestion is that they keep players at their age level where they bulldoze smaller kids over and aren't challenged to improve or highlight their technical side? You are right, once they are pulled up, it is exposed who has technical skills vs. who is just a big kid. For the right kids, the move will force them to either improve their technical side and adapt. For the others, it reveals they aren't technically where they should be to play academy. I'm not sure that is a bad thing. In MLS soccer it is like everything else, those who have the natural abilities and can adapt go to the next level. There are a lot of smaller players who have ridiculous technical skills but struggle with the physical side because of their size. That eventually all works itself out which is why you hear less about them. The physical/muscular structure eventually finds itself on some kind of level playing ground even if there are different heights. The bigger players who dominate physically but aren't technically strong are exposed. That's the nature of the game no matter where you play.

No. My view is that they pull kids up based only on size and speed and then don't actually teach them how to be better. It is the teaching where the deficiency is.

I agree that kids need to be challenged physically too if they are physically more developed. But again, it needs to be managed the right way and strategically in the best interest of each kid. Seen so many kids running hard and trying to bulldoze older kids and not learn a damn thing about football in the process.

I know you're an already self acclaimed expert on youth development in soccer.
So it must just be a slight oversight on your part thinking that playing up is solely based on physical size.

Playing up isn't based solely on size and no one ever said that. DCU plays kids up based primarily on size. That was the point and the problem. And the point was made that there are many factors that go into the decision to play a kid up. It is a strategic decision based on the players best interest and their development path. Not just, you're big enough, go ahead and play up.

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Anonymous wrote:How many MLS Clubs have kids that started with them at U8 that are now in Premier League clubs?

Shouldn't be hard list to produce if any exists

lol DC doesn’t have a U8 sooooo ….that like measuring apples to oranges. Very few MLS teams have U8s if any. Unless they have a youth program for the community…

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Anonymous wrote:Also my first day posting here. And I can tell you that one of the players on Arlington U19 that kicked the crap out of DCU this weekend was actually on DCU until this year. He could not longer pretend that DCU was making him a better player. Looks like he made a wise move.

U18 onwards is time to perform

Looking for youth development at U19 you missed the boat

In November Alexandria U19s beat Philly Union. So let's also say Philly Union is crap based on the lack of football knowledge and logic in this gossip forum

OK, I am fine with that. Most of the MLS academies are nothing but talent brokers. They recruit a bunch of already skilled players and hope to sell 1 out of 100 to legitimate teams overseas.

I tend to agree with this. Although there are a few academies that are decent developers of talent. Not great, but decent. DCU is absolutely not one of them.

Yes, they are all about winning.

That's why the stronger players in each age group train with and play with older age groups.
No development happening there.

Playing up does not equal development If you're not impacting the game playing up the same way you would be doing on age then playing up is much less beneficial. Barely hanging on playing up is a move backwards not forwards.

No development is happening at DCU, that is absolutely correct.

Then tell us the exact steps dcua should be doing with them for their development that's not being done.

Be very precise when laying it out.

Since training with older age groups and playing against older competition (which is a development philosophy in every top academy in the world) is a negative thing at dcua.

That's DCUs job not mine. Training in older ages is a great tool when used correctly. DCU just doesn't use that tool correctly. They often play kids up that are physically developed and who are also not absolutely dominating on age. Meaning there is a lot they can still learn playing on age about how to actually play. Instead they have them rely on their size to get by instead of their technical ability and smarts. It's a balance and that balance is usually not well maintained at DCU. The product of that is a mindset that physical dominance is the way to play. When that runs out, the players struggle. You start to see this at u15 and u16. And it carries to older ages. It's a hard balance to strike and it takes some real strategy and thinking around player management and progression. Something that I don't see at DCU. Of course playing up can be helpful the decision just needs to be made strategically along many dimensions not just you're big enough and fast enough to play up, go ahead.

So to be clear, you feel they lack player development because you think they pull kids up based on size and not skill? Your suggestion is that they keep players at their age level where they bulldoze smaller kids over and aren't challenged to improve or highlight their technical side? You are right, once they are pulled up, it is exposed who has technical skills vs. who is just a big kid. For the right kids, the move will force them to either improve their technical side and adapt. For the others, it reveals they aren't technically where they should be to play academy. I'm not sure that is a bad thing. In MLS soccer it is like everything else, those who have the natural abilities and can adapt go to the next level. There are a lot of smaller players who have ridiculous technical skills but struggle with the physical side because of their size. That eventually all works itself out which is why you hear less about them. The physical/muscular structure eventually finds itself on some kind of level playing ground even if there are different heights. The bigger players who dominate physically but aren't technically strong are exposed. That's the nature of the game no matter where you play.

No. My view is that they pull kids up based only on size and speed and then don't actually teach them how to be better. It is the teaching where the deficiency is.

I agree that kids need to be challenged physically too if they are physically more developed. But again, it needs to be managed the right way and strategically in the best interest of each kid. Seen so many kids running hard and trying to bulldoze older kids and not learn a damn thing about football in the process.

I know you're an already self acclaimed expert on youth development in soccer.
So it must just be a slight oversight on your part thinking that playing up is solely based on physical size.

Playing up isn't based solely on size and no one ever said that. DCU plays kids up based primarily on size. That was the point and the problem. And the point was made that there are many factors that go into the decision to play a kid up. It is a strategic decision based on the players best interest and their development path. Not just, you're big enough, go ahead and play up.

Wrong again. It is a strategic decision. It’s to determine if the bigger player is also a better player or just a big kid with average skill. The bigger player will either rise to the level or be exposed. And if they are exposed, without progression, then they may not belong at the academy level. That’s why you see so many big kids at u8-u12 dominating the field but once the other kids physically catch up they struggle. It’s not that they were the better player, and that’s why they stood out. It was just that they were more athletic at the time. Moving them up gives them a level playing field as far as size and then shows their skill level clearly. I’ve never seen DC drop a kid who was progressing. If they aren’t progressing, they shouldn’t be there. That’s just the reality of it.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard a false rumor that two DC Academy players are currently at Nottingham Forest and Bournemouth in the Premier League

But that can't be true, because the Academy at DCU can't develop or produce professionals.

Especially to the best League in the World

Fletcher never spent a day at DCU Academy. Not one. All Bethesda.

Oh, Fletcher went from Bethesda last season straight to Nottingham Forest?

That's a big feather in the cap for BSC

You mean the two players that DCU recruited after becoming a fully funded academy? So yes, great work Bethesda and all the other clubs that develop these kids foundationally. You are just like every other youth club that had players recruited from them for a MLS academy and then move into a professional role. Not really proving a whole lot there as far as DC being lacking. If nothing else, it speaks to their recruitment choices. But feathers in the cap for everyone. Whoo! The MLS Academy setting matters. The connection matters. Whether you like it or not.

Year after year Fletcher, Ku Di Pietro, Paredes, and Hopkins all had DCU Academy in their back yard and did not play for them. Was this a lack of interest on their part or that of the academy? Two of them are playing in Europe after playing for Bethesda and Loudoun and two were developed by Arlington and signed by DCU first team. The academy had no role in their development. These are four of the most successful players to come out of this area - ever. The Academy never touched them. So tell me how that gives the academy credence?

Anyone claiming Bethesda Soccer Club is responsible for developing players to Professional levels is taking this thread for a joke in a disrespectful manner.

Bethesda is merely a benefactor of being in an area rich with soccer talent. As is DCU. A broken clock is right twice per day.
But the poster has a point. Why do kids who have Premier League and Bundesliga talent opt to not play for the local MLS Academy?

This is a question that makes zero sense.

Where can we find the surveys or the list of players from the DMV who are currently with Premier League and Bundesliga teams that opted not to be at DCUA after U14 since MLS Next was launched and DC became the current version of a free academy?

Who on dcum knows the decisions and why of every player in the dmv? (other than the poster who pretends to know the inner thoughts of every parent and player in a 300 mile radius?)

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Anonymous wrote:Also my first day posting here. And I can tell you that one of the players on Arlington U19 that kicked the crap out of DCU this weekend was actually on DCU until this year. He could not longer pretend that DCU was making him a better player. Looks like he made a wise move.

U18 onwards is time to perform

Looking for youth development at U19 you missed the boat

In November Alexandria U19s beat Philly Union. So let's also say Philly Union is crap based on the lack of football knowledge and logic in this gossip forum

OK, I am fine with that. Most of the MLS academies are nothing but talent brokers. They recruit a bunch of already skilled players and hope to sell 1 out of 100 to legitimate teams overseas.

I tend to agree with this. Although there are a few academies that are decent developers of talent. Not great, but decent. DCU is absolutely not one of them.

Yes, they are all about winning.

That's why the stronger players in each age group train with and play with older age groups.
No development happening there.

Playing up does not equal development If you're not impacting the game playing up the same way you would be doing on age then playing up is much less beneficial. Barely hanging on playing up is a move backwards not forwards.

No development is happening at DCU, that is absolutely correct.

Then tell us the exact steps dcua should be doing with them for their development that's not being done.

Be very precise when laying it out.

Since training with older age groups and playing against older competition (which is a development philosophy in every top academy in the world) is a negative thing at dcua.

That's DCUs job not mine. Training in older ages is a great tool when used correctly. DCU just doesn't use that tool correctly. They often play kids up that are physically developed and who are also not absolutely dominating on age. Meaning there is a lot they can still learn playing on age about how to actually play. Instead they have them rely on their size to get by instead of their technical ability and smarts. It's a balance and that balance is usually not well maintained at DCU. The product of that is a mindset that physical dominance is the way to play. When that runs out, the players struggle. You start to see this at u15 and u16. And it carries to older ages. It's a hard balance to strike and it takes some real strategy and thinking around player management and progression. Something that I don't see at DCU. Of course playing up can be helpful the decision just needs to be made strategically along many dimensions not just you're big enough and fast enough to play up, go ahead.

So to be clear, you feel they lack player development because you think they pull kids up based on size and not skill? Your suggestion is that they keep players at their age level where they bulldoze smaller kids over and aren't challenged to improve or highlight their technical side? You are right, once they are pulled up, it is exposed who has technical skills vs. who is just a big kid. For the right kids, the move will force them to either improve their technical side and adapt. For the others, it reveals they aren't technically where they should be to play academy. I'm not sure that is a bad thing. In MLS soccer it is like everything else, those who have the natural abilities and can adapt go to the next level. There are a lot of smaller players who have ridiculous technical skills but struggle with the physical side because of their size. That eventually all works itself out which is why you hear less about them. The physical/muscular structure eventually finds itself on some kind of level playing ground even if there are different heights. The bigger players who dominate physically but aren't technically strong are exposed. That's the nature of the game no matter where you play.

No. My view is that they pull kids up based only on size and speed and then don't actually teach them how to be better. It is the teaching where the deficiency is.

I agree that kids need to be challenged physically too if they are physically more developed. But again, it needs to be managed the right way and strategically in the best interest of each kid. Seen so many kids running hard and trying to bulldoze older kids and not learn a damn thing about football in the process.

I know you're an already self acclaimed expert on youth development in soccer.
So it must just be a slight oversight on your part thinking that playing up is solely based on physical size.

Playing up isn't based solely on size and no one ever said that. DCU plays kids up based primarily on size. That was the point and the problem. And the point was made that there are many factors that go into the decision to play a kid up. It is a strategic decision based on the players best interest and their development path. Not just, you're big enough, go ahead and play up.

Wrong again. It is a strategic decision. It’s to determine if the bigger player is also a better player or just a big kid with average skill. The bigger player will either rise to the level or be exposed. And if they are exposed, without progression, then they may not belong at the academy level. That’s why you see so many big kids at u8-u12 dominating the field but once the other kids physically catch up they struggle. It’s not that they were the better player, and that’s why they stood out. It was just that they were more athletic at the time. Moving them up gives them a level playing field as far as size and then shows their skill level clearly. I’ve never seen DC drop a kid who was progressing. If they aren’t progressing, they shouldn’t be there. That’s just the reality of it.

I think we are saying similar things. My point is DCU moves kids up largely based on size. No one is giving an opinion on when DCU decides to kick a kid out of the program. Totally different conversation. But if a kid moves up and doesn't perform but performs on age, usually they stay.

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Anonymous wrote:Also my first day posting here. And I can tell you that one of the players on Arlington U19 that kicked the crap out of DCU this weekend was actually on DCU until this year. He could not longer pretend that DCU was making him a better player. Looks like he made a wise move.

U18 onwards is time to perform

Looking for youth development at U19 you missed the boat

In November Alexandria U19s beat Philly Union. So let's also say Philly Union is crap based on the lack of football knowledge and logic in this gossip forum

OK, I am fine with that. Most of the MLS academies are nothing but talent brokers. They recruit a bunch of already skilled players and hope to sell 1 out of 100 to legitimate teams overseas.

I tend to agree with this. Although there are a few academies that are decent developers of talent. Not great, but decent. DCU is absolutely not one of them.

Yes, they are all about winning.

That's why the stronger players in each age group train with and play with older age groups.
No development happening there.

Playing up does not equal development If you're not impacting the game playing up the same way you would be doing on age then playing up is much less beneficial. Barely hanging on playing up is a move backwards not forwards.

No development is happening at DCU, that is absolutely correct.

Then tell us the exact steps dcua should be doing with them for their development that's not being done.

Be very precise when laying it out.

Since training with older age groups and playing against older competition (which is a development philosophy in every top academy in the world) is a negative thing at dcua.

That's DCUs job not mine. Training in older ages is a great tool when used correctly. DCU just doesn't use that tool correctly. They often play kids up that are physically developed and who are also not absolutely dominating on age. Meaning there is a lot they can still learn playing on age about how to actually play. Instead they have them rely on their size to get by instead of their technical ability and smarts. It's a balance and that balance is usually not well maintained at DCU. The product of that is a mindset that physical dominance is the way to play. When that runs out, the players struggle. You start to see this at u15 and u16. And it carries to older ages. It's a hard balance to strike and it takes some real strategy and thinking around player management and progression. Something that I don't see at DCU. Of course playing up can be helpful the decision just needs to be made strategically along many dimensions not just you're big enough and fast enough to play up, go ahead.

So to be clear, you feel they lack player development because you think they pull kids up based on size and not skill? Your suggestion is that they keep players at their age level where they bulldoze smaller kids over and aren't challenged to improve or highlight their technical side? You are right, once they are pulled up, it is exposed who has technical skills vs. who is just a big kid. For the right kids, the move will force them to either improve their technical side and adapt. For the others, it reveals they aren't technically where they should be to play academy. I'm not sure that is a bad thing. In MLS soccer it is like everything else, those who have the natural abilities and can adapt go to the next level. There are a lot of smaller players who have ridiculous technical skills but struggle with the physical side because of their size. That eventually all works itself out which is why you hear less about them. The physical/muscular structure eventually finds itself on some kind of level playing ground even if there are different heights. The bigger players who dominate physically but aren't technically strong are exposed. That's the nature of the game no matter where you play.

No. My view is that they pull kids up based only on size and speed and then don't actually teach them how to be better. It is the teaching where the deficiency is.

I agree that kids need to be challenged physically too if they are physically more developed. But again, it needs to be managed the right way and strategically in the best interest of each kid. Seen so many kids running hard and trying to bulldoze older kids and not learn a damn thing about football in the process.

I know you're an already self acclaimed expert on youth development in soccer.
So it must just be a slight oversight on your part thinking that playing up is solely based on physical size.

Playing up isn't based solely on size and no one ever said that. DCU plays kids up based primarily on size. That was the point and the problem. And the point was made that there are many factors that go into the decision to play a kid up. It is a strategic decision based on the players best interest and their development path. Not just, you're big enough, go ahead and play up.

Wrong again. It is a strategic decision. It’s to determine if the bigger player is also a better player or just a big kid with average skill. The bigger player will either rise to the level or be exposed. And if they are exposed, without progression, then they may not belong at the academy level. That’s why you see so many big kids at u8-u12 dominating the field but once the other kids physically catch up they struggle. It’s not that they were the better player, and that’s why they stood out. It was just that they were more athletic at the time. Moving them up gives them a level playing field as far as size and then shows their skill level clearly. I’ve never seen DC drop a kid who was progressing. If they aren’t progressing, they shouldn’t be there. That’s just the reality of it.

The anti-dcua guy just posts generic common stereotypes about relative age effect issues and kids playing up that applies everywhere in youth soccer, but says it's a dcua issue.

He has made it clear after being challenged multiple times that he doesn't have a real connection to the academy (just desperately wants to) and doesn't have real knowledge of what is truly happening there.
Just stuff he hears and makes up.

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Anonymous wrote:Also my first day posting here. And I can tell you that one of the players on Arlington U19 that kicked the crap out of DCU this weekend was actually on DCU until this year. He could not longer pretend that DCU was making him a better player. Looks like he made a wise move.

U18 onwards is time to perform

Looking for youth development at U19 you missed the boat

In November Alexandria U19s beat Philly Union. So let's also say Philly Union is crap based on the lack of football knowledge and logic in this gossip forum

OK, I am fine with that. Most of the MLS academies are nothing but talent brokers. They recruit a bunch of already skilled players and hope to sell 1 out of 100 to legitimate teams overseas.

I tend to agree with this. Although there are a few academies that are decent developers of talent. Not great, but decent. DCU is absolutely not one of them.

Yes, they are all about winning.

That's why the stronger players in each age group train with and play with older age groups.
No development happening there.

Playing up does not equal development If you're not impacting the game playing up the same way you would be doing on age then playing up is much less beneficial. Barely hanging on playing up is a move backwards not forwards.

No development is happening at DCU, that is absolutely correct.

Then tell us the exact steps dcua should be doing with them for their development that's not being done.

Be very precise when laying it out.

Since training with older age groups and playing against older competition (which is a development philosophy in every top academy in the world) is a negative thing at dcua.

That's DCUs job not mine. Training in older ages is a great tool when used correctly. DCU just doesn't use that tool correctly. They often play kids up that are physically developed and who are also not absolutely dominating on age. Meaning there is a lot they can still learn playing on age about how to actually play. Instead they have them rely on their size to get by instead of their technical ability and smarts. It's a balance and that balance is usually not well maintained at DCU. The product of that is a mindset that physical dominance is the way to play. When that runs out, the players struggle. You start to see this at u15 and u16. And it carries to older ages. It's a hard balance to strike and it takes some real strategy and thinking around player management and progression. Something that I don't see at DCU. Of course playing up can be helpful the decision just needs to be made strategically along many dimensions not just you're big enough and fast enough to play up, go ahead.

So to be clear, you feel they lack player development because you think they pull kids up based on size and not skill? Your suggestion is that they keep players at their age level where they bulldoze smaller kids over and aren't challenged to improve or highlight their technical side? You are right, once they are pulled up, it is exposed who has technical skills vs. who is just a big kid. For the right kids, the move will force them to either improve their technical side and adapt. For the others, it reveals they aren't technically where they should be to play academy. I'm not sure that is a bad thing. In MLS soccer it is like everything else, those who have the natural abilities and can adapt go to the next level. There are a lot of smaller players who have ridiculous technical skills but struggle with the physical side because of their size. That eventually all works itself out which is why you hear less about them. The physical/muscular structure eventually finds itself on some kind of level playing ground even if there are different heights. The bigger players who dominate physically but aren't technically strong are exposed. That's the nature of the game no matter where you play.

No. My view is that they pull kids up based only on size and speed and then don't actually teach them how to be better. It is the teaching where the deficiency is.

I agree that kids need to be challenged physically too if they are physically more developed. But again, it needs to be managed the right way and strategically in the best interest of each kid. Seen so many kids running hard and trying to bulldoze older kids and not learn a damn thing about football in the process.

I know you're an already self acclaimed expert on youth development in soccer.
So it must just be a slight oversight on your part thinking that playing up is solely based on physical size.

Playing up isn't based solely on size and no one ever said that. DCU plays kids up based primarily on size. That was the point and the problem. And the point was made that there are many factors that go into the decision to play a kid up. It is a strategic decision based on the players best interest and their development path. Not just, you're big enough, go ahead and play up.

You know you're just representing a false opinion as facts?
You are saying dcu only has players playing up because of size.
You're making that up. It's clearly a lie.

Are you just assuming that like you others on the forum don't actually know the truth so you can just pretend that you do?

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SURVEY:

If you live in the DMV and your DS is a strong player 12 to 15 years old and being recruited to the DC United Academy, will you let him go?

If you say No, why not and what better option would you take?

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Anonymous wrote:Also my first day posting here. And I can tell you that one of the players on Arlington U19 that kicked the crap out of DCU this weekend was actually on DCU until this year. He could not longer pretend that DCU was making him a better player. Looks like he made a wise move.

U18 onwards is time to perform

Looking for youth development at U19 you missed the boat

In November Alexandria U19s beat Philly Union. So let's also say Philly Union is crap based on the lack of football knowledge and logic in this gossip forum

OK, I am fine with that. Most of the MLS academies are nothing but talent brokers. They recruit a bunch of already skilled players and hope to sell 1 out of 100 to legitimate teams overseas.

I tend to agree with this. Although there are a few academies that are decent developers of talent. Not great, but decent. DCU is absolutely not one of them.

Yes, they are all about winning.

That's why the stronger players in each age group train with and play with older age groups.
No development happening there.

Playing up does not equal development If you're not impacting the game playing up the same way you would be doing on age then playing up is much less beneficial. Barely hanging on playing up is a move backwards not forwards.

No development is happening at DCU, that is absolutely correct.

Then tell us the exact steps dcua should be doing with them for their development that's not being done.

Be very precise when laying it out.

Since training with older age groups and playing against older competition (which is a development philosophy in every top academy in the world) is a negative thing at dcua.

That's DCUs job not mine. Training in older ages is a great tool when used correctly. DCU just doesn't use that tool correctly. They often play kids up that are physically developed and who are also not absolutely dominating on age. Meaning there is a lot they can still learn playing on age about how to actually play. Instead they have them rely on their size to get by instead of their technical ability and smarts. It's a balance and that balance is usually not well maintained at DCU. The product of that is a mindset that physical dominance is the way to play. When that runs out, the players struggle. You start to see this at u15 and u16. And it carries to older ages. It's a hard balance to strike and it takes some real strategy and thinking around player management and progression. Something that I don't see at DCU. Of course playing up can be helpful the decision just needs to be made strategically along many dimensions not just you're big enough and fast enough to play up, go ahead.

So to be clear, you feel they lack player development because you think they pull kids up based on size and not skill? Your suggestion is that they keep players at their age level where they bulldoze smaller kids over and aren't challenged to improve or highlight their technical side? You are right, once they are pulled up, it is exposed who has technical skills vs. who is just a big kid. For the right kids, the move will force them to either improve their technical side and adapt. For the others, it reveals they aren't technically where they should be to play academy. I'm not sure that is a bad thing. In MLS soccer it is like everything else, those who have the natural abilities and can adapt go to the next level. There are a lot of smaller players who have ridiculous technical skills but struggle with the physical side because of their size. That eventually all works itself out which is why you hear less about them. The physical/muscular structure eventually finds itself on some kind of level playing ground even if there are different heights. The bigger players who dominate physically but aren't technically strong are exposed. That's the nature of the game no matter where you play.

No. My view is that they pull kids up based only on size and speed and then don't actually teach them how to be better. It is the teaching where the deficiency is.

I agree that kids need to be challenged physically too if they are physically more developed. But again, it needs to be managed the right way and strategically in the best interest of each kid. Seen so many kids running hard and trying to bulldoze older kids and not learn a damn thing about football in the process.

I know you're an already self acclaimed expert on youth development in soccer.
So it must just be a slight oversight on your part thinking that playing up is solely based on physical size.

Playing up isn't based solely on size and no one ever said that. DCU plays kids up based primarily on size. That was the point and the problem. And the point was made that there are many factors that go into the decision to play a kid up. It is a strategic decision based on the players best interest and their development path. Not just, you're big enough, go ahead and play up.

You know you're just representing a false opinion as facts?
You are saying dcu only has players playing up because of size.
You're making that up. It's clearly a lie.

Are you just assuming that like you others on the forum don't actually know the truth so you can just pretend that you do?

MOVING ON...

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Anonymous wrote:Also my first day posting here. And I can tell you that one of the players on Arlington U19 that kicked the crap out of DCU this weekend was actually on DCU until this year. He could not longer pretend that DCU was making him a better player. Looks like he made a wise move.

U18 onwards is time to perform

Looking for youth development at U19 you missed the boat

In November Alexandria U19s beat Philly Union. So let's also say Philly Union is crap based on the lack of football knowledge and logic in this gossip forum

OK, I am fine with that. Most of the MLS academies are nothing but talent brokers. They recruit a bunch of already skilled players and hope to sell 1 out of 100 to legitimate teams overseas.

I tend to agree with this. Although there are a few academies that are decent developers of talent. Not great, but decent. DCU is absolutely not one of them.

Yes, they are all about winning.

That's why the stronger players in each age group train with and play with older age groups.
No development happening there.

Playing up does not equal development If you're not impacting the game playing up the same way you would be doing on age then playing up is much less beneficial. Barely hanging on playing up is a move backwards not forwards.

No development is happening at DCU, that is absolutely correct.

Then tell us the exact steps dcua should be doing with them for their development that's not being done.

Be very precise when laying it out.

Since training with older age groups and playing against older competition (which is a development philosophy in every top academy in the world) is a negative thing at dcua.

That's DCUs job not mine. Training in older ages is a great tool when used correctly. DCU just doesn't use that tool correctly. They often play kids up that are physically developed and who are also not absolutely dominating on age. Meaning there is a lot they can still learn playing on age about how to actually play. Instead they have them rely on their size to get by instead of their technical ability and smarts. It's a balance and that balance is usually not well maintained at DCU. The product of that is a mindset that physical dominance is the way to play. When that runs out, the players struggle. You start to see this at u15 and u16. And it carries to older ages. It's a hard balance to strike and it takes some real strategy and thinking around player management and progression. Something that I don't see at DCU. Of course playing up can be helpful the decision just needs to be made strategically along many dimensions not just you're big enough and fast enough to play up, go ahead.

So to be clear, you feel they lack player development because you think they pull kids up based on size and not skill? Your suggestion is that they keep players at their age level where they bulldoze smaller kids over and aren't challenged to improve or highlight their technical side? You are right, once they are pulled up, it is exposed who has technical skills vs. who is just a big kid. For the right kids, the move will force them to either improve their technical side and adapt. For the others, it reveals they aren't technically where they should be to play academy. I'm not sure that is a bad thing. In MLS soccer it is like everything else, those who have the natural abilities and can adapt go to the next level. There are a lot of smaller players who have ridiculous technical skills but struggle with the physical side because of their size. That eventually all works itself out which is why you hear less about them. The physical/muscular structure eventually finds itself on some kind of level playing ground even if there are different heights. The bigger players who dominate physically but aren't technically strong are exposed. That's the nature of the game no matter where you play.

No. My view is that they pull kids up based only on size and speed and then don't actually teach them how to be better. It is the teaching where the deficiency is.

I agree that kids need to be challenged physically too if they are physically more developed. But again, it needs to be managed the right way and strategically in the best interest of each kid. Seen so many kids running hard and trying to bulldoze older kids and not learn a damn thing about football in the process.

I know you're an already self acclaimed expert on youth development in soccer.
So it must just be a slight oversight on your part thinking that playing up is solely based on physical size.

Playing up isn't based solely on size and no one ever said that. DCU plays kids up based primarily on size. That was the point and the problem. And the point was made that there are many factors that go into the decision to play a kid up. It is a strategic decision based on the players best interest and their development path. Not just, you're big enough, go ahead and play up.

Wrong again. It is a strategic decision. It’s to determine if the bigger player is also a better player or just a big kid with average skill. The bigger player will either rise to the level or be exposed. And if they are exposed, without progression, then they may not belong at the academy level. That’s why you see so many big kids at u8-u12 dominating the field but once the other kids physically catch up they struggle. It’s not that they were the better player, and that’s why they stood out. It was just that they were more athletic at the time. Moving them up gives them a level playing field as far as size and then shows their skill level clearly. I’ve never seen DC drop a kid who was progressing. If they aren’t progressing, they shouldn’t be there. That’s just the reality of it.

The anti-dcua guy just posts generic common stereotypes about relative age effect issues and kids playing up that applies everywhere in youth soccer, but says it's a dcua issue.

He has made it clear after being challenged multiple times that he doesn't have a real connection to the academy (just desperately wants to) and doesn't have real knowledge of what is truly happening there.
Just stuff he hears and makes up.

MOVING ON...