Math 4/5 criteria and range

[Anonymous]

My 4th grader is in math 4/5 this year. Last spring i was searching this board and posting here to figure out what criteria are used to qualify for math 4/5. I was unable to figure that out. However, my DC took the fall MAP-M a few days ago and there is a wide range of kids in the class.
Yes there are top performers who scored around 246-250 but then there are kids who scored 209 too. So I am here to tell you all that the criteria might be school dependent but its safe to say that a kid testing in 70-75th percentile qualified to take math 4/5. Hopefully this information will help someone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 4th grader is in math 4/5 this year. Last spring i was searching this board and posting here to figure out what criteria are used to qualify for math 4/5. I was unable to figure that out. However, my DC took the fall MAP-M a few days ago and there is a wide range of kids in the class.
Yes there are top performers who scored around 246-250 but then there are kids who scored 209 too. So I am here to tell you all that the criteria might be school dependent but its safe to say that a kid testing in 70-75th percentile qualified to take math 4/5. Hopefully this information will help someone.

At our school it is tighter than that. Have to be at least 95th percentile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 4th grader is in math 4/5 this year. Last spring i was searching this board and posting here to figure out what criteria are used to qualify for math 4/5. I was unable to figure that out. However, my DC took the fall MAP-M a few days ago and there is a wide range of kids in the class.
Yes there are top performers who scored around 246-250 but then there are kids who scored 209 too. So I am here to tell you all that the criteria might be school dependent but its safe to say that a kid testing in 70-75th percentile qualified to take math 4/5. Hopefully this information will help someone.

At our school it is tighter than that. Have to be at least 95th percentile.

Are you guessing or you know for sure?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 4th grader is in math 4/5 this year. Last spring i was searching this board and posting here to figure out what criteria are used to qualify for math 4/5. I was unable to figure that out. However, my DC took the fall MAP-M a few days ago and there is a wide range of kids in the class.
Yes there are top performers who scored around 246-250 but then there are kids who scored 209 too. So I am here to tell you all that the criteria might be school dependent but its safe to say that a kid testing in 70-75th percentile qualified to take math 4/5. Hopefully this information will help someone.

At our school it is tighter than that. Have to be at least 95th percentile.

Are you guessing or you know for sure?

That’s what they told us when people asked. But you are right that every school is different - and even with 85th, if they need a few kids to fill the class they might take 80th percentile kids to fill it.

I will say that a bunch of people who were in 5/6 last year are now in 6+ in middle school and not AIM. The compaction is even faster in AIM (two years in one) and the view is it was not appropriate for kids who struggled with the 5/6 compaction.

[Anonymous]

OP here- at our school, there are 2 classes of math 4/5 and 1 class for regular math 4. It does seem that our school has chosen to accelerate most kids.
Some kids do get outside enrichment (RSM, mathnasium, Aops etc) and therefore their scores are so high. But I am sure you don’t need to be 3 years ahead in math from doing outside enrichment to be in math 4/5. So everyone should be fine, even the kids scoring in 75th percentile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here- at our school, there are 2 classes of math 4/5 and 1 class for regular math 4. It does seem that our school has chosen to accelerate most kids.
Some kids do get outside enrichment (RSM, mathnasium, Aops etc) and therefore their scores are so high. But I am sure you don’t need to be 3 years ahead in math from doing outside enrichment to be in math 4/5. So everyone should be fine, even the kids scoring in 75th percentile.

Seriously I’m not understanding why it’s called acceleration here. Compact math is super slow for my DD and she didn’t get outside enrichment. I let her do some Singapore math book exercises at home since she’s so bored at school.

[Anonymous]

Map is just knowledge based, if you learned something that’s 3 years ahead you would score higher, but it says nothing about the learning ability of a student who is on level that doesn’t know what variables are therefore can’t answer those questions, but learns new concepts pretty fast. I also think a portion of the selection is teacher recommendation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here- at our school, there are 2 classes of math 4/5 and 1 class for regular math 4. It does seem that our school has chosen to accelerate most kids.
Some kids do get outside enrichment (RSM, mathnasium, Aops etc) and therefore their scores are so high. But I am sure you don’t need to be 3 years ahead in math from doing outside enrichment to be in math 4/5. So everyone should be fine, even the kids scoring in 75th percentile.

Seriously I’m not understanding why it’s called acceleration here. Compact math is super slow for my DD and she didn’t get outside enrichment. I let her do some Singapore math book exercises at home since she’s so bored at school.

Oh, the irony...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here- at our school, there are 2 classes of math 4/5 and 1 class for regular math 4. It does seem that our school has chosen to accelerate most kids.
Some kids do get outside enrichment (RSM, mathnasium, Aops etc) and therefore their scores are so high. But I am sure you don’t need to be 3 years ahead in math from doing outside enrichment to be in math 4/5. So everyone should be fine, even the kids scoring in 75th percentile.

Seriously I’m not understanding why it’s called acceleration here. Compact math is super slow for my DD and she didn’t get outside enrichment. I let her do some Singapore math book exercises at home since she’s so bored at school.

You have to consider the entire pathway, which puts the student at calculus in grade 11. That is definitely accelerated by most standards. Maryland requires four years of math in high school so calculus in grade 11 means stats or multivariable senior year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 4th grader is in math 4/5 this year. Last spring i was searching this board and posting here to figure out what criteria are used to qualify for math 4/5. I was unable to figure that out. However, my DC took the fall MAP-M a few days ago and there is a wide range of kids in the class.
Yes there are top performers who scored around 246-250 but then there are kids who scored 209 too. So I am here to tell you all that the criteria might be school dependent but its safe to say that a kid testing in 70-75th percentile qualified to take math 4/5. Hopefully this information will help someone.

At our school it is tighter than that. Have to be at least 95th percentile.

Are you guessing or you know for sure?

I'm sorry I was rereading and realized that was a typo - it was 85th percentile, not 95th. Need to wear my reading glasses on my phone. I was trying to say that even though those what they told us, they might still pull in some lower-scoring kids if they needed to fill out the class. So the reality might be that they pull in a couple of kids who wouldn't normally make it at the 80th percentile just becuase they have the room. But for middle school, kids who didn't perform solidly in compacted are doing 6+ rather than AIM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here- at our school, there are 2 classes of math 4/5 and 1 class for regular math 4. It does seem that our school has chosen to accelerate most kids.
Some kids do get outside enrichment (RSM, mathnasium, Aops etc) and therefore their scores are so high. But I am sure you don’t need to be 3 years ahead in math from doing outside enrichment to be in math 4/5. So everyone should be fine, even the kids scoring in 75th percentile.

PP who made the 85th percentile comment. At our school it was 1 very large class of compacted kids (well over 30) and 4 smaller classes (maybe 20 each) of regular on-grade level students.

[Anonymous]

It does not necessarily track that a single "bad" test at the beginning of 4th grade means the scores were low at the end of 3rd.

This individual child might have been sick, or sad because their cat died, or tired because their parent let them stay up watching a basketball game.

I think most schools try to cap at around 85th percentile, with a little bit of wiggle on either end to fill the class if possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here- at our school, there are 2 classes of math 4/5 and 1 class for regular math 4. It does seem that our school has chosen to accelerate most kids.
Some kids do get outside enrichment (RSM, mathnasium, Aops etc) and therefore their scores are so high. But I am sure you don’t need to be 3 years ahead in math from doing outside enrichment to be in math 4/5. So everyone should be fine, even the kids scoring in 75th percentile.

Seriously I’m not understanding why it’s called acceleration here. Compact math is super slow for my DD and she didn’t get outside enrichment. I let her do some Singapore math book exercises at home since she’s so bored at school.

I don’t understand it. My kids also say its boring but just because it’s boring doesn’t mean they want to do extra. But what about the kids who are receiving outside enrichment? How bored are they? And if they are bored wont they be bored always? Because they will always be ahead of the class. But in reality there is no point in being so far ahead to begin with. Not sure why it matters in dcum land.

[Anonymous]

Do all math 4/5 kids get to be in 5/6 in 5th grade?

[Anonymous]

Each school offers a whole number of classes. That means they are generous in offering seats, since they have empty seats. The cutoff per school will vary based on how their students align with class size cutoffs.