Beware of Yale

[Anonymous]

Yikes!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/yale-police-first-students-beware-114317974.html

What kind of police force distributes flyers with the Grim Reaper on it!?

[Anonymous]

The argument "we're terrible at our jobs, those expensive blue cameras are useless, so give us more money," may not be as compelling as they think.

[Anonymous]

I went to Yale. New Haven is a weird city and possibly unique in that it is an urban environment (not a college town) but the only forces with any political power are two large non profits that don’t pay taxes. The students and their families are the only ones with pressure to leverage the university which in turn is the only one with leverage to pressure the city. When Yale wanted a portion of the city totally knocked down and rebuilt, it got it. When Yale wanted a fancy new hotel to house interviews and such, it got it. If the police force needs more resources, the only way to likely to get it is if he students parents start putting pressure on the school.
The crime issue is not significant for undergrads but it’s more of a concern for grad students who mostly live off campus and are often walking by themselves to get to/from campus late at night.

[Anonymous]

Well, some parents complain when students are not forewarned (Chicago, Columbia, Tempke) about the urban crime that surrounds campus.

I am quite sure that New Haven is much more dangerous than anywhere in New Zealand.

Still, this sounds like a union tactic to get parents to pressure the school administration to better support campus security.

I would imagine that would be unsettling for freshmen though.

[Anonymous]

Yale doesn't seem to break the top 25 most dangerous campuses.

https://www.degreechoices.com/blog/most-dangerous-college-campuses/

It does surprise me to see a few of t hose T25 on there, though.

#1 U of Michigan
OSU
Cal
#8 Stanford
#13 Vanderbilt
#14 Auburn
#21 U of FL
#22 UC SD
#24 JHU
#26 U of Washington

If you look at the # by per capita, the order is a bit different, but most of the same colleges are on there.

This definitely gives me pause about what colleges DD should apply to.

[Anonymous]

curious how Stanford is ranked so high - it doesn't seem dangerous in the least!

[Anonymous]

Yeah, just for this reason, it's not on my kid's list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:curious how Stanford is ranked so high - it doesn't seem dangerous in the least!

Chanel Miller would beg to differ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:curious how Stanford is ranked so high - it doesn't seem dangerous in the least!

It is student-on-student incidents. Most people think of crime as random strangers coming on campus to commit a crime, when that is probably 1% of all the incidents reported. Different universities report things differently which then shows up in the data.

I doubt anyone would think Temple University is safer than Stanford, regardless of these reports.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yikes!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/yale-police-first-students-beware-114317974.html

What kind of police force distributes flyers with the Grim Reaper on it!?

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It isn’t the police force that distributed them -it is the Union. That is clear from the article. Big difference

[Anonymous]

My mom grew up across the street from Yale. They moved out before the crack epidemic decimated NH in the 1980s. Just a few years ago they had the largest number of opiod overdoses in the park. The train station gets some sketchy people. I still have a lot of relatives in the area, some that were first responders. The stories they told about the crime in New Haven were harrowing.

But, I also have relatives that live in Baltimore and NYC currently. A niece and nephew at Hopkins. Crime in Baltimore is no joke either. Look at Galludet in DC recently.

This is a reflective of crime spiking in major US cities. San Fran is a cesspool.

IF my son got into Yale would I send him? Yes. Hopkins? Yes. But we are city people and grew up knowing the limitations and street smarts needed. As a teen/college student I didn't walk alone at night. I didn't jog in the dark, etc.

Kids from parts of the US or other countries that don't have high crime rates truly don't understand they can't do what they can do at home. I was always shocked to see young college girls jogging alone on the C&O towpath---down where it is very remote. Living in Georgetown I never did that. I had a running partner always or I stuck to busier streets-never trails.

My dad also taught me about not drinking from open containers or a drink handed to me back in the late s1980s--pre Bill Cosby. You need to educate your kids. Period.

And, for some, some of the urban campuses may not be the right place and that is perfectly understandable.

[Anonymous]

Yes, Yale sounds like a truly horrific place to me. Please don’t let your kids apply! The acceptance rate is too low already

[Anonymous]

Look at the UVA shooting killing football players last year. The 4 kids murdered at University of Idaho. The VT mass shooting.

Mental health is a big reason even rural campuses aren’t safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I went to Yale. New Haven is a weird city and possibly unique in that it is an urban environment (not a college town) but the only forces with any political power are two large non profits that don’t pay taxes. The students and their families are the only ones with pressure to leverage the university which in turn is the only one with leverage to pressure the city. When Yale wanted a portion of the city totally knocked down and rebuilt, it got it. When Yale wanted a fancy new hotel to house interviews and such, it got it. If the police force needs more resources, the only way to likely to get it is if he students parents start putting pressure on the school.
The crime issue is not significant for undergrads but it’s more of a concern for grad students who mostly live off campus and are often walking by themselves to get to/from campus late at night.

This! As a single female I felt completely safe walking alone day and night on campus. Off campus at night I would be more aware and careful (I lived off campus a year).

The flyer is definitely alarmist and meant to get student/parent support for more resources.

- 90s alum (by appearance, areas immediately surrounding the college seem safer now than the 90s)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My mom grew up across the street from Yale. They moved out before the crack epidemic decimated NH in the 1980s. Just a few years ago they had the largest number of opiod overdoses in the park. The train station gets some sketchy people. I still have a lot of relatives in the area, some that were first responders. The stories they told about the crime in New Haven were harrowing.

But, I also have relatives that live in Baltimore and NYC currently. A niece and nephew at Hopkins. Crime in Baltimore is no joke either. Look at Galludet in DC recently.

This is a reflective of crime spiking in major US cities. San Fran is a cesspool.

IF my son got into Yale would I send him? Yes. Hopkins? Yes. But we are city people and grew up knowing the limitations and street smarts needed. As a teen/college student I didn't walk alone at night. I didn't jog in the dark, etc.

Kids from parts of the US or other countries that don't have high crime rates truly don't understand they can't do what they can do at home. I was always shocked to see young college girls jogging alone on the C&O towpath---down where it is very remote. Living in Georgetown I never did that. I had a running partner always or I stuck to busier streets-never trails.

My dad also taught me about not drinking from open containers or a drink handed to me back in the late s1980s--pre Bill Cosby. You need to educate your kids. Period.

And, for some, some of the urban campuses may not be the right place and that is perfectly understandable.

Your instincts are right, though - this is a bad idea....always has been.