Gaza War, Part 3

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I’m heartened that the US is finally more supportive of a ceasefire. This is just really horrible. These are real people every bit as loved and valued as the Israelis killed and injured on 10/7 at just 2800% the magnitude:

The number of people killed in Israel’s war on Gaza has increased to 32,414, according to the enclave’s Health Ministry.

Israeli attacks in Gaza have also wounded at least 74,787 people since October 7.

The latest figures include 81 people killed and 93 wounded over the latest 24-hour reporting period.
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Anonymous wrote:Israel has slaughtered 32,000 Palestinians since 10/7. Congratulations to Israel, Bibi and the Zionists for turning the world against Jews.


Nobody should be against Jews. People can and should hate the Zionists all they want, but let's never judge anyone based on their religion or ethnicity. Zionists have perverted Judaism for personal gain and power and have weaponized it to dehumanize and massacre Palestinians. Zionism is undoubtedly a hideous and racist creed, but please, let's recognize the difference between Jews and Zionists. Many Jews hate Zionism.


Well, when are Jews going to oust Bibi and his right wing religious minions?


Chuck Schumer, the most powerful Jew in American politics called for his ouster in a compelling and passionate speech.

Sadly I'm not hearing a damn thing similar to that from powerful and influential Muslims calling for the ouster of Hamas leadership.


I mean, isn't Israel supposedly ousting Hamas and its leadership? Or is that goal no longer on the agenda?


You seem confused. It's the Gazans who should be calling for the ouster of Hamas. And doing so would bring much faster humanitarian aid and relief.


The Palestinians have no homes, no food or water, no electricity, no phones or internet and they are surrounded by trigger happy Israelis and Hamas. How does your suggestion work?


That's their choice, given 71% said they are good with Hamas's bloody massacre on 10/7.

Had Hamas not launched that attack, Gazans would still be in their homes with food, water, electricity, and everything else. For all of the "yeah but" there's no getting around that.


Do you also subscribe to the “she was asking for it” theory of rape?


How completely idiotic - that's a totally wrong analogy. Hamas has launched thousands of rockets at Israel over the last several years, which would have killed many thousands, were it not for the Iron Dome. And then Hamas launched a violent assault, massacring or kidnapping civilians right and left. When you punch someone in the face and break their nose, and then that person whose nose you broke comes back with a group of friends to break your nose in return, it's NOT EVEN REMOTELY a "she asked for it because of how she was dressed" situation.


Do you really think Israel wasn’t harming Gaza during this time? They were under a land, sea and air blockade. 2/3rds of Gazans prior to 10/7 were food insecure.


Yeah that tends to happen when you smuggle weapons. Gazans would have been a lot better off if Hamas had instead actually spent the billions it was given on peaceful things like improving the economy and sustainability of Gaza, investing in infrastructure and so on. But instead they stole all of the money and spent it on weapons and tunnels and they dug up the water lines to use the pipes for rockets, paying for Russian mercenaries to train them and so on.



lol ok another hasbara troll. If they “stole all the money”, tell me: how does Gaza have (well had) a sophisticated healthcare system and hospital network? Multiple universities? Courthouses and police force? A near total literacy and vaccination rate? Did they appear by magic or did someone invest in them?


Gee so now you're saying life in Gaza was wonderful... Make up your damn mind.


You know damn well what I’m saying - that anyone claiming all the aid was stolen is a damn liar.


Gee I guess that means that the hundreds of miles of elaborate tunnels and workshops and facilities underneath Gaza somehow magically built themselves. 🤡

Dude, those tunnels alone had to cost at least a billion dollars. Source: https://mwi.westpoint.edu/gazas-underground-hamass-entire-politico-military-strategy-rests-on-its-tunnels/

It's the most extensive military tunnel complex in the world outside of China and North Korea.

Accordingly, you can go ahead piss off with your "damn liar" crap.


You piss off with the "Hamas stole ALL the aid" hasbara.

How did the hospitals get built?

How did the universities get built?

How did the libraries get built?

How did Gazans achieve a near total literacy and vaccination rate?


Crickets on the billion spent on the massive elaborate tunnel complex... So again you have your dishonesty on full display...


So if you were living under a complete air, land, and sea blockade, wouldn’t it actually be smart to invest in tunnels?
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Anonymous wrote:Israel has slaughtered 32,000 Palestinians since 10/7. Congratulations to Israel, Bibi and the Zionists for turning the world against Jews.


Nobody should be against Jews. People can and should hate the Zionists all they want, but let's never judge anyone based on their religion or ethnicity. Zionists have perverted Judaism for personal gain and power and have weaponized it to dehumanize and massacre Palestinians. Zionism is undoubtedly a hideous and racist creed, but please, let's recognize the difference between Jews and Zionists. Many Jews hate Zionism.


Well, when are Jews going to oust Bibi and his right wing religious minions?


Chuck Schumer, the most powerful Jew in American politics called for his ouster in a compelling and passionate speech.

Sadly I'm not hearing a damn thing similar to that from powerful and influential Muslims calling for the ouster of Hamas leadership.


I mean, isn't Israel supposedly ousting Hamas and its leadership? Or is that goal no longer on the agenda?


You seem confused. It's the Gazans who should be calling for the ouster of Hamas. And doing so would bring much faster humanitarian aid and relief.


The Palestinians have no homes, no food or water, no electricity, no phones or internet and they are surrounded by trigger happy Israelis and Hamas. How does your suggestion work?


That's their choice, given 71% said they are good with Hamas's bloody massacre on 10/7.

Had Hamas not launched that attack, Gazans would still be in their homes with food, water, electricity, and everything else. For all of the "yeah but" there's no getting around that.


Do you also subscribe to the “she was asking for it” theory of rape?


How completely idiotic - that's a totally wrong analogy. Hamas has launched thousands of rockets at Israel over the last several years, which would have killed many thousands, were it not for the Iron Dome. And then Hamas launched a violent assault, massacring or kidnapping civilians right and left. When you punch someone in the face and break their nose, and then that person whose nose you broke comes back with a group of friends to break your nose in return, it's NOT EVEN REMOTELY a "she asked for it because of how she was dressed" situation.


Do you really think Israel wasn’t harming Gaza during this time? They were under a land, sea and air blockade. 2/3rds of Gazans prior to 10/7 were food insecure.


Yeah that tends to happen when you smuggle weapons. Gazans would have been a lot better off if Hamas had instead actually spent the billions it was given on peaceful things like improving the economy and sustainability of Gaza, investing in infrastructure and so on. But instead they stole all of the money and spent it on weapons and tunnels and they dug up the water lines to use the pipes for rockets, paying for Russian mercenaries to train them and so on.



lol ok another hasbara troll. If they “stole all the money”, tell me: how does Gaza have (well had) a sophisticated healthcare system and hospital network? Multiple universities? Courthouses and police force? A near total literacy and vaccination rate? Did they appear by magic or did someone invest in them?


Gee so now you're saying life in Gaza was wonderful... Make up your damn mind.


You know damn well what I’m saying - that anyone claiming all the aid was stolen is a damn liar.


Gee I guess that means that the hundreds of miles of elaborate tunnels and workshops and facilities underneath Gaza somehow magically built themselves. 🤡

Dude, those tunnels alone had to cost at least a billion dollars. Source: https://mwi.westpoint.edu/gazas-underground-hamass-entire-politico-military-strategy-rests-on-its-tunnels/

It's the most extensive military tunnel complex in the world outside of China and North Korea.

Accordingly, you can go ahead piss off with your "damn liar" crap.


You piss off with the "Hamas stole ALL the aid" hasbara.

How did the hospitals get built?

How did the universities get built?

How did the libraries get built?

How did Gazans achieve a near total literacy and vaccination rate?


Crickets on the billion spent on the massive elaborate tunnel complex... So again you have your dishonesty on full display...


So if you were living under a complete air, land, and sea blockade, wouldn’t it actually be smart to invest in tunnels?


Uh no. It would be smart to do everything you can to try and get the blockades lifted. But that said it couldn't have been that much of a blockade given they built hospitals, universities, liberaries as you stated above. Make up your mind.
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Anonymous wrote:Israel has slaughtered 32,000 Palestinians since 10/7. Congratulations to Israel, Bibi and the Zionists for turning the world against Jews.


Nobody should be against Jews. People can and should hate the Zionists all they want, but let's never judge anyone based on their religion or ethnicity. Zionists have perverted Judaism for personal gain and power and have weaponized it to dehumanize and massacre Palestinians. Zionism is undoubtedly a hideous and racist creed, but please, let's recognize the difference between Jews and Zionists. Many Jews hate Zionism.


Well, when are Jews going to oust Bibi and his right wing religious minions?


Chuck Schumer, the most powerful Jew in American politics called for his ouster in a compelling and passionate speech.

Sadly I'm not hearing a damn thing similar to that from powerful and influential Muslims calling for the ouster of Hamas leadership.


I mean, isn't Israel supposedly ousting Hamas and its leadership? Or is that goal no longer on the agenda?


You seem confused. It's the Gazans who should be calling for the ouster of Hamas. And doing so would bring much faster humanitarian aid and relief.


The Palestinians have no homes, no food or water, no electricity, no phones or internet and they are surrounded by trigger happy Israelis and Hamas. How does your suggestion work?


That's their choice, given 71% said they are good with Hamas's bloody massacre on 10/7.

Had Hamas not launched that attack, Gazans would still be in their homes with food, water, electricity, and everything else. For all of the "yeah but" there's no getting around that.


Do you also subscribe to the “she was asking for it” theory of rape?


How completely idiotic - that's a totally wrong analogy. Hamas has launched thousands of rockets at Israel over the last several years, which would have killed many thousands, were it not for the Iron Dome. And then Hamas launched a violent assault, massacring or kidnapping civilians right and left. When you punch someone in the face and break their nose, and then that person whose nose you broke comes back with a group of friends to break your nose in return, it's NOT EVEN REMOTELY a "she asked for it because of how she was dressed" situation.


Do you really think Israel wasn’t harming Gaza during this time? They were under a land, sea and air blockade. 2/3rds of Gazans prior to 10/7 were food insecure.


Yeah that tends to happen when you smuggle weapons. Gazans would have been a lot better off if Hamas had instead actually spent the billions it was given on peaceful things like improving the economy and sustainability of Gaza, investing in infrastructure and so on. But instead they stole all of the money and spent it on weapons and tunnels and they dug up the water lines to use the pipes for rockets, paying for Russian mercenaries to train them and so on.



lol ok another hasbara troll. If they “stole all the money”, tell me: how does Gaza have (well had) a sophisticated healthcare system and hospital network? Multiple universities? Courthouses and police force? A near total literacy and vaccination rate? Did they appear by magic or did someone invest in them?


Gee so now you're saying life in Gaza was wonderful... Make up your damn mind.


You know damn well what I’m saying - that anyone claiming all the aid was stolen is a damn liar.


Gee I guess that means that the hundreds of miles of elaborate tunnels and workshops and facilities underneath Gaza somehow magically built themselves. 🤡

Dude, those tunnels alone had to cost at least a billion dollars. Source: https://mwi.westpoint.edu/gazas-underground-hamass-entire-politico-military-strategy-rests-on-its-tunnels/

It's the most extensive military tunnel complex in the world outside of China and North Korea.

Accordingly, you can go ahead piss off with your "damn liar" crap.


You piss off with the "Hamas stole ALL the aid" hasbara.

How did the hospitals get built?

How did the universities get built?

How did the libraries get built?

How did Gazans achieve a near total literacy and vaccination rate?


Crickets on the billion spent on the massive elaborate tunnel complex... So again you have your dishonesty on full display...


So if you were living under a complete air, land, and sea blockade, wouldn’t it actually be smart to invest in tunnels?


Uh no. It would be smart to do everything you can to try and get the blockades lifted. But that said it couldn't have been that much of a blockade given they built hospitals, universities, liberaries as you stated above. Make up your mind.


Lol and that wouldve worked right because Israel listens ? Israel barely even listens to an ally-the US and you think they would’ve listened to Gazans?
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So Canada decided to stop supporting Israel's genocide by ending arms shipments, and sure enough, like clockwork, out comes the antisemitism accusations and Hamas supporting accusations. Canada was all good when they were sending weapons to Israel, but now they they've stopped, they're now antisemites? If Israel doesn't need Canada so much, why do they feel so threatened by Hamas that they have to blow up little kids? F**k Israel, I'm thoroughly disgusted with their arrogance and disregard of anyones' lives or needs but their own. And saying that doesn't make me an antisemite.

"Israel does not need Canada - Canada needs Israel"
https://m.jpost.com/international/article-793683

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Anonymous wrote:Israel has slaughtered 32,000 Palestinians since 10/7. Congratulations to Israel, Bibi and the Zionists for turning the world against Jews.


Nobody should be against Jews. People can and should hate the Zionists all they want, but let's never judge anyone based on their religion or ethnicity. Zionists have perverted Judaism for personal gain and power and have weaponized it to dehumanize and massacre Palestinians. Zionism is undoubtedly a hideous and racist creed, but please, let's recognize the difference between Jews and Zionists. Many Jews hate Zionism.


Well, when are Jews going to oust Bibi and his right wing religious minions?


Chuck Schumer, the most powerful Jew in American politics called for his ouster in a compelling and passionate speech.

Sadly I'm not hearing a damn thing similar to that from powerful and influential Muslims calling for the ouster of Hamas leadership.


I mean, isn't Israel supposedly ousting Hamas and its leadership? Or is that goal no longer on the agenda?


You seem confused. It's the Gazans who should be calling for the ouster of Hamas. And doing so would bring much faster humanitarian aid and relief.


The Palestinians have no homes, no food or water, no electricity, no phones or internet and they are surrounded by trigger happy Israelis and Hamas. How does your suggestion work?


That's their choice, given 71% said they are good with Hamas's bloody massacre on 10/7.

Had Hamas not launched that attack, Gazans would still be in their homes with food, water, electricity, and everything else. For all of the "yeah but" there's no getting around that.


Do you also subscribe to the “she was asking for it” theory of rape?


How completely idiotic - that's a totally wrong analogy. Hamas has launched thousands of rockets at Israel over the last several years, which would have killed many thousands, were it not for the Iron Dome. And then Hamas launched a violent assault, massacring or kidnapping civilians right and left. When you punch someone in the face and break their nose, and then that person whose nose you broke comes back with a group of friends to break your nose in return, it's NOT EVEN REMOTELY a "she asked for it because of how she was dressed" situation.


Do you really think Israel wasn’t harming Gaza during this time? They were under a land, sea and air blockade. 2/3rds of Gazans prior to 10/7 were food insecure.


Yeah that tends to happen when you smuggle weapons. Gazans would have been a lot better off if Hamas had instead actually spent the billions it was given on peaceful things like improving the economy and sustainability of Gaza, investing in infrastructure and so on. But instead they stole all of the money and spent it on weapons and tunnels and they dug up the water lines to use the pipes for rockets, paying for Russian mercenaries to train them and so on.


How can they invest in infrastructure when Israel is gate-keeping the use of building materials? There is so much dishonesty in your Zionist statements that at this point it is best to just disengage conversing with the likes of you.


Somehow they were able to build pretty elaborate tunnels.
They built nothing for the citizens.


Gaza is more developed than the kibbutzim on the border. Has a higher literacy rate than the US , UK, Egypt, Israel or the West Bank . A cargo ship just made one of our bridges collapse today yet Israel dropped 2,000 pound bomb after bomb in hopes to penetrate tunnels but none have worked. These tunnels are stronger than our infrastructure and were clearly designed by smart engineers .

For a full land, sir, and sea blockade and a country that gets obliterated to pieces every eight or ten years , that’s highly impressive . The Arabs and Israelis talk in surprise and envy about Palestinians . The settlers purposely take the water and olives , fig groves snd trees the poor rural Palestinians cultivate in the West Bank for no reason other than envy. You don’t take something food wise if you don’t trust the people or think they’re animalistic
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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been thinking the stories that point to made up rape claims must be false because who does that. But I just came here to post the same article from the NYT. It seems that at least one key data point was manufactured. That’s appalling.


There were many awful things that happened on October 7. But also many of the most horrific stories are false. They were made up. And they were made up so that people would be on board for the total destruction of Gaza that Israel intended and has carried out.

These stories of sadistic violence were so widespread in the days after Oct. 7 and people believed them right away. I am sure that many Americans who do not follow the news closely would believe that many of these stories are still true today. Why not, when the president and secretary of state repeated them.

40 beheaded babies - a lie
babies hung on a clothesline - a lie
baby baked in an oven - a lie
unborn baby cut from their mother and killed - a lie
teenage sisters raped at Kibbutz Be’eri - a lie
family of four tortured at their kitchen table that Blinken told a senate hearing - a lie

These stories weren't mistakes told when the facts were murky. The story of the teenage sisters is graphic, describing the girls underwear, their position, and semen smeared on their back when actual video footage shows them fully clothed when they were found. The fact that they were killed is awful and they didn't deserve that. But someone out there made up this horrific story about their rape, and made up all the horrific stories above, and that is atrocious.

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Anonymous wrote:Israel has slaughtered 32,000 Palestinians since 10/7. Congratulations to Israel, Bibi and the Zionists for turning the world against Jews.


Nobody should be against Jews. People can and should hate the Zionists all they want, but let's never judge anyone based on their religion or ethnicity. Zionists have perverted Judaism for personal gain and power and have weaponized it to dehumanize and massacre Palestinians. Zionism is undoubtedly a hideous and racist creed, but please, let's recognize the difference between Jews and Zionists. Many Jews hate Zionism.


Well, when are Jews going to oust Bibi and his right wing religious minions?


Chuck Schumer, the most powerful Jew in American politics called for his ouster in a compelling and passionate speech.

Sadly I'm not hearing a damn thing similar to that from powerful and influential Muslims calling for the ouster of Hamas leadership.


I mean, isn't Israel supposedly ousting Hamas and its leadership? Or is that goal no longer on the agenda?


You seem confused. It's the Gazans who should be calling for the ouster of Hamas. And doing so would bring much faster humanitarian aid and relief.


The Palestinians have no homes, no food or water, no electricity, no phones or internet and they are surrounded by trigger happy Israelis and Hamas. How does your suggestion work?


That's their choice, given 71% said they are good with Hamas's bloody massacre on 10/7.

Had Hamas not launched that attack, Gazans would still be in their homes with food, water, electricity, and everything else. For all of the "yeah but" there's no getting around that.


Do you also subscribe to the “she was asking for it” theory of rape?


How completely idiotic - that's a totally wrong analogy. Hamas has launched thousands of rockets at Israel over the last several years, which would have killed many thousands, were it not for the Iron Dome. And then Hamas launched a violent assault, massacring or kidnapping civilians right and left. When you punch someone in the face and break their nose, and then that person whose nose you broke comes back with a group of friends to break your nose in return, it's NOT EVEN REMOTELY a "she asked for it because of how she was dressed" situation.


Do you really think Israel wasn’t harming Gaza during this time? They were under a land, sea and air blockade. 2/3rds of Gazans prior to 10/7 were food insecure.


Yeah that tends to happen when you smuggle weapons. Gazans would have been a lot better off if Hamas had instead actually spent the billions it was given on peaceful things like improving the economy and sustainability of Gaza, investing in infrastructure and so on. But instead they stole all of the money and spent it on weapons and tunnels and they dug up the water lines to use the pipes for rockets, paying for Russian mercenaries to train them and so on.



lol ok another hasbara troll. If they “stole all the money”, tell me: how does Gaza have (well had) a sophisticated healthcare system and hospital network? Multiple universities? Courthouses and police force? A near total literacy and vaccination rate? Did they appear by magic or did someone invest in them?


Gee so now you're saying life in Gaza was wonderful... Make up your damn mind.


You know damn well what I’m saying - that anyone claiming all the aid was stolen is a damn liar.


Gee I guess that means that the hundreds of miles of elaborate tunnels and workshops and facilities underneath Gaza somehow magically built themselves. 🤡

Dude, those tunnels alone had to cost at least a billion dollars. Source: https://mwi.westpoint.edu/gazas-underground-hamass-entire-politico-military-strategy-rests-on-its-tunnels/

It's the most extensive military tunnel complex in the world outside of China and North Korea.

Accordingly, you can go ahead piss off with your "damn liar" crap.


You piss off with the "Hamas stole ALL the aid" hasbara.

How did the hospitals get built?

How did the universities get built?

How did the libraries get built?

How did Gazans achieve a near total literacy and vaccination rate?


Crickets on the billion spent on the massive elaborate tunnel complex... So again you have your dishonesty on full display...


How many billions were spent on the Iron Dome?

The tunnels were not made for any reasons originally other than to circumvent the Israeli blockade . .The mother of invention is necessity . Tunnels of this expertise take a decade to build. Israel, for whatever reason, sat back and did nothing . They knew the ditches were being built and tunnels were being built since 2007 . Some were already there from Israeli era Gaza and just were expanded.
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Anonymous wrote:PP, the nature of administrative detention is that there are NO CHARGES ever filed. The person is simply held for a few months (eligible to be extended indefinitely). No charges. No evidence. No lawyer. Nothing at all.



I think most people would choose the Israeli justice system over the "justice" administered by Hamas, ISIS, the Taliban, Iran and other extremist Islamist regimes.


I think most people would choose the Israeli justice system toward Jewish citizens of Israel over the "justice" administered by Hamas, ISIS, the Taliban, Iran and other extremist Islamist regimes.

fixed that for you.


And extremist Islamist regimes? You mean like Saudi Arabia that Bibi is simply gagging to have relations with?
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Anonymous wrote:Israel has slaughtered 32,000 Palestinians since 10/7. Congratulations to Israel, Bibi and the Zionists for turning the world against Jews.


Nobody should be against Jews. People can and should hate the Zionists all they want, but let's never judge anyone based on their religion or ethnicity. Zionists have perverted Judaism for personal gain and power and have weaponized it to dehumanize and massacre Palestinians. Zionism is undoubtedly a hideous and racist creed, but please, let's recognize the difference between Jews and Zionists. Many Jews hate Zionism.


Well, when are Jews going to oust Bibi and his right wing religious minions?


Chuck Schumer, the most powerful Jew in American politics called for his ouster in a compelling and passionate speech.

Sadly I'm not hearing a damn thing similar to that from powerful and influential Muslims calling for the ouster of Hamas leadership.


I mean, isn't Israel supposedly ousting Hamas and its leadership? Or is that goal no longer on the agenda?


You seem confused. It's the Gazans who should be calling for the ouster of Hamas. And doing so would bring much faster humanitarian aid and relief.


The Palestinians have no homes, no food or water, no electricity, no phones or internet and they are surrounded by trigger happy Israelis and Hamas. How does your suggestion work?


That's their choice, given 71% said they are good with Hamas's bloody massacre on 10/7.

Had Hamas not launched that attack, Gazans would still be in their homes with food, water, electricity, and everything else. For all of the "yeah but" there's no getting around that.


Do you also subscribe to the “she was asking for it” theory of rape?


How completely idiotic - that's a totally wrong analogy. Hamas has launched thousands of rockets at Israel over the last several years, which would have killed many thousands, were it not for the Iron Dome. And then Hamas launched a violent assault, massacring or kidnapping civilians right and left. When you punch someone in the face and break their nose, and then that person whose nose you broke comes back with a group of friends to break your nose in return, it's NOT EVEN REMOTELY a "she asked for it because of how she was dressed" situation.


Do you really think Israel wasn’t harming Gaza during this time? They were under a land, sea and air blockade. 2/3rds of Gazans prior to 10/7 were food insecure.


Yeah that tends to happen when you smuggle weapons. Gazans would have been a lot better off if Hamas had instead actually spent the billions it was given on peaceful things like improving the economy and sustainability of Gaza, investing in infrastructure and so on. But instead they stole all of the money and spent it on weapons and tunnels and they dug up the water lines to use the pipes for rockets, paying for Russian mercenaries to train them and so on.


How can they invest in infrastructure when Israel is gate-keeping the use of building materials? There is so much dishonesty in your Zionist statements that at this point it is best to just disengage conversing with the likes of you.


Somehow they were able to build pretty elaborate tunnels.
They built nothing for the citizens.


Gaza is more developed than the kibbutzim on the border. Has a higher literacy rate than the US , UK, Egypt, Israel or the West Bank . A cargo ship just made one of our bridges collapse today yet Israel dropped 2,000 pound bomb after bomb in hopes to penetrate tunnels but none have worked. These tunnels are stronger than our infrastructure and were clearly designed by smart engineers .

For a full land, sir, and sea blockade and a country that gets obliterated to pieces every eight or ten years , that’s highly impressive . The Arabs and Israelis talk in surprise and envy about Palestinians . The settlers purposely take the water and olives , fig groves snd trees the poor rural Palestinians cultivate in the West Bank for no reason other than envy. You don’t take something food wise if you don’t trust the people or think they’re animalistic


So, not an open air prison? But a glorious beachside paradise?

I'm not sure I understand why residents were so gung ho about slaughtering Israelis and holding them captive, if doing so would put their beautiful home at risk so badly.

No no, I know - 1948, 1967, something hateful about Zionists (spit).

And I say this, while distressed - to put it mildly - about the Israeli course of action here. I believed from the start, unlike so many of you, that Israel has a right to defend itself. But it doesn't seem like that is what it's doing now. I don't believe this is a genocide, but I do believe that Netanyahu is pursuing what is increasingly an indefensible method of rooting out Hamas because he thinks it's the only way for him to hold on for dear life. He's willing to destroy Israel to try to save himself.

But you people talking out both sides of your mouth about what life is = or was - like in Gaza does not help win you any converts. It makes you sound like you don't believe in anything other than wanting Israel to die.
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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been thinking the stories that point to made up rape claims must be false because who does that. But I just came here to post the same article from the NYT. It seems that at least one key data point was manufactured. That’s appalling.


What do you mean, "who does that"? Only every other party in history. The stories and accusations of rape of the "white southern flowers" by the unwashed Negroes has been the battle cry of the white supremacists for decades. (When in reality, black women had way more reasons to fear rape by white men than vice versa). "They raped our women!" has been used to goad men into violence and tilt policy decisions in your favor many many many times. Same for dead babies. Tried and true. Remember the false testimony of Kuwaiti ambassador daughter to Congress? About Saddam's forces throwing babies out of incubators? Conceived and written up by Hill and Knowlton, people who shape perceptions for a living.
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Anonymous wrote:In the December article "Screams without Words" from the NYT, the article describes a rape of two teenage girls.

This story has now been proven to be false and the times has published a story about it:


The unnamed paramedic, from an Israeli commando unit, was among dozens of people interviewed for a Dec. 28 article by The New York Times that examined sexual violence on Oct. 7. He said he discovered the bodies of two partially clothed teenage girls in a home in Kibbutz Be’eri that bore signs of sexual violence.

The Associated Press, CNN and The Washington Post reported similar accounts from a military paramedic who spoke on condition of anonymity.

But footage taken by an Israeli soldier who was in Be’eri on Oct. 7, which was viewed by leading community members in February and by The Times this month, shows the bodies of three female victims, fully clothed and with no apparent signs of sexual violence, at a home where many residents had believed the assaults occurred.

Though it is unclear if the medic was referring to the same scene, residents said that in no other home in Be’eri were two teenage girls killed, and they concluded from the video that the girls had not been sexually assaulted.

Nili Bar Sinai, a member of a group from the kibbutz that looked into claims of sexual assault at the house, said, “This story is false.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/world/middleeast/video-sexual-assault-israel-kibbutz-hamas.html


The real, equally robust investigation, has to focus on who devised and deployed the mass of atrocity and rape propaganda. Because it was a conscious decision, have no doubt about it.

The most charitable interpretation of Zaka's early reports is that they are a bunch of illiterate yahoos who have no coronary qualifications.

But you know who has medical qualifications? Israel's chief forensic pathologist Dr Chen Kugel, who said he saw "burned, headless bodies of babies" with his own eyes. Is Dr Kugel, despite his credentials, unable to understand what he saw? I doubt it. So it must have been a deliberate, obvious lie by a high-level government official. If so, who else is on the game?
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The initial mischaracterization can charitably be chalked up to the immediate confusion of the situation and a game of telephone. However the continued trumpeting and amplification of the bad information after the first few days was a craven deliberate lie.
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Anonymous wrote:Israel has slaughtered 32,000 Palestinians since 10/7. Congratulations to Israel, Bibi and the Zionists for turning the world against Jews.


Nobody should be against Jews. People can and should hate the Zionists all they want, but let's never judge anyone based on their religion or ethnicity. Zionists have perverted Judaism for personal gain and power and have weaponized it to dehumanize and massacre Palestinians. Zionism is undoubtedly a hideous and racist creed, but please, let's recognize the difference between Jews and Zionists. Many Jews hate Zionism.


Well, when are Jews going to oust Bibi and his right wing religious minions?


Chuck Schumer, the most powerful Jew in American politics called for his ouster in a compelling and passionate speech.

Sadly I'm not hearing a damn thing similar to that from powerful and influential Muslims calling for the ouster of Hamas leadership.


I mean, isn't Israel supposedly ousting Hamas and its leadership? Or is that goal no longer on the agenda?


You seem confused. It's the Gazans who should be calling for the ouster of Hamas. And doing so would bring much faster humanitarian aid and relief.


The Palestinians have no homes, no food or water, no electricity, no phones or internet and they are surrounded by trigger happy Israelis and Hamas. How does your suggestion work?


That's their choice, given 71% said they are good with Hamas's bloody massacre on 10/7.

Had Hamas not launched that attack, Gazans would still be in their homes with food, water, electricity, and everything else. For all of the "yeah but" there's no getting around that.


Do you also subscribe to the “she was asking for it” theory of rape?


How completely idiotic - that's a totally wrong analogy. Hamas has launched thousands of rockets at Israel over the last several years, which would have killed many thousands, were it not for the Iron Dome. And then Hamas launched a violent assault, massacring or kidnapping civilians right and left. When you punch someone in the face and break their nose, and then that person whose nose you broke comes back with a group of friends to break your nose in return, it's NOT EVEN REMOTELY a "she asked for it because of how she was dressed" situation.


Do you really think Israel wasn’t harming Gaza during this time? They were under a land, sea and air blockade. 2/3rds of Gazans prior to 10/7 were food insecure.


Yeah that tends to happen when you smuggle weapons. Gazans would have been a lot better off if Hamas had instead actually spent the billions it was given on peaceful things like improving the economy and sustainability of Gaza, investing in infrastructure and so on. But instead they stole all of the money and spent it on weapons and tunnels and they dug up the water lines to use the pipes for rockets, paying for Russian mercenaries to train them and so on.


How can they invest in infrastructure when Israel is gate-keeping the use of building materials? There is so much dishonesty in your Zionist statements that at this point it is best to just disengage conversing with the likes of you.


Somehow they were able to build pretty elaborate tunnels.
They built nothing for the citizens.


Gaza is more developed than the kibbutzim on the border. Has a higher literacy rate than the US , UK, Egypt, Israel or the West Bank . A cargo ship just made one of our bridges collapse today yet Israel dropped 2,000 pound bomb after bomb in hopes to penetrate tunnels but none have worked. These tunnels are stronger than our infrastructure and were clearly designed by smart engineers .

For a full land, sir, and sea blockade and a country that gets obliterated to pieces every eight or ten years , that’s highly impressive . The Arabs and Israelis talk in surprise and envy about Palestinians . The settlers purposely take the water and olives , fig groves snd trees the poor rural Palestinians cultivate in the West Bank for no reason other than envy. You don’t take something food wise if you don’t trust the people or think they’re animalistic


Look at this poster salivating over Hamas’s “impressive” network of tunnels for smuggling weapons and hiding hostages. Smh.
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Anonymous wrote:Israel has slaughtered 32,000 Palestinians since 10/7. Congratulations to Israel, Bibi and the Zionists for turning the world against Jews.


Nobody should be against Jews. People can and should hate the Zionists all they want, but let's never judge anyone based on their religion or ethnicity. Zionists have perverted Judaism for personal gain and power and have weaponized it to dehumanize and massacre Palestinians. Zionism is undoubtedly a hideous and racist creed, but please, let's recognize the difference between Jews and Zionists. Many Jews hate Zionism.


Well, when are Jews going to oust Bibi and his right wing religious minions?


Chuck Schumer, the most powerful Jew in American politics called for his ouster in a compelling and passionate speech.

Sadly I'm not hearing a damn thing similar to that from powerful and influential Muslims calling for the ouster of Hamas leadership.


I mean, isn't Israel supposedly ousting Hamas and its leadership? Or is that goal no longer on the agenda?


You seem confused. It's the Gazans who should be calling for the ouster of Hamas. And doing so would bring much faster humanitarian aid and relief.


The Palestinians have no homes, no food or water, no electricity, no phones or internet and they are surrounded by trigger happy Israelis and Hamas. How does your suggestion work?


That's their choice, given 71% said they are good with Hamas's bloody massacre on 10/7.

Had Hamas not launched that attack, Gazans would still be in their homes with food, water, electricity, and everything else. For all of the "yeah but" there's no getting around that.


Do you also subscribe to the “she was asking for it” theory of rape?


How completely idiotic - that's a totally wrong analogy. Hamas has launched thousands of rockets at Israel over the last several years, which would have killed many thousands, were it not for the Iron Dome. And then Hamas launched a violent assault, massacring or kidnapping civilians right and left. When you punch someone in the face and break their nose, and then that person whose nose you broke comes back with a group of friends to break your nose in return, it's NOT EVEN REMOTELY a "she asked for it because of how she was dressed" situation.


Do you really think Israel wasn’t harming Gaza during this time? They were under a land, sea and air blockade. 2/3rds of Gazans prior to 10/7 were food insecure.


Yeah that tends to happen when you smuggle weapons. Gazans would have been a lot better off if Hamas had instead actually spent the billions it was given on peaceful things like improving the economy and sustainability of Gaza, investing in infrastructure and so on. But instead they stole all of the money and spent it on weapons and tunnels and they dug up the water lines to use the pipes for rockets, paying for Russian mercenaries to train them and so on.


How can they invest in infrastructure when Israel is gate-keeping the use of building materials? There is so much dishonesty in your Zionist statements that at this point it is best to just disengage conversing with the likes of you.


Somehow they were able to build pretty elaborate tunnels.
They built nothing for the citizens.


Gaza is more developed than the kibbutzim on the border. Has a higher literacy rate than the US , UK, Egypt, Israel or the West Bank . A cargo ship just made one of our bridges collapse today yet Israel dropped 2,000 pound bomb after bomb in hopes to penetrate tunnels but none have worked. These tunnels are stronger than our infrastructure and were clearly designed by smart engineers .

For a full land, sir, and sea blockade and a country that gets obliterated to pieces every eight or ten years , that’s highly impressive . The Arabs and Israelis talk in surprise and envy about Palestinians . The settlers purposely take the water and olives , fig groves snd trees the poor rural Palestinians cultivate in the West Bank for no reason other than envy. You don’t take something food wise if you don’t trust the people or think they’re animalistic


So, not an open air prison? But a glorious beachside paradise?

I'm not sure I understand why residents were so gung ho about slaughtering Israelis and holding them captive, if doing so would put their beautiful home at risk so badly.

No no, I know - 1948, 1967, something hateful about Zionists (spit).

And I say this, while distressed - to put it mildly - about the Israeli course of action here. I believed from the start, unlike so many of you, that Israel has a right to defend itself. But it doesn't seem like that is what it's doing now. I don't believe this is a genocide, but I do believe that Netanyahu is pursuing what is increasingly an indefensible method of rooting out Hamas because he thinks it's the only way for him to hold on for dear life. He's willing to destroy Israel to try to save himself.

But you people talking out both sides of your mouth about what life is = or was - like in Gaza does not help win you any converts. It makes you sound like you don't believe in anything other than wanting Israel to die.


I agree with this 100%.
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