How would those who call themselves conservative yet have bigoted attitudes towards immigrants respond to this?
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I’ve been reading Politics Drawn From the Very Words of Holy Scripture by the eminent 17th century Catholic Bishop Bossuet. Here is what he has to say about race. To me, this proves that the AltRight/MAGA crowds attitude towards minorities and immigrants has no basis in tradition.
“3rd Proposition: All men are brothers Firstly, they are all children of the same God. "One is your master, and all you are brethren. And call none your father upon earth: for one is your father who is in heaven." (Matt. 23:8-9) Those whom we call fathers, and from whom we come according to the flesh, do not know who we are; God alone knew us from all eternity, and it is for this reason that Isaiah said, "For thou art our father, and Abraham hath not known us, and Israel hath been ignorant of us: thou O Lord, art our Father, our protector; from everlasting is thy name." (Isa. 43:16) Secondly, God has established the fraternity of men, in making them all descend from one, who is, therefore, the common father, and carries in himself the image of the paternity of God. We do not read that God made the other animals all descend from one common stock: "God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds: and saw that it was good; and he said, Let us make man to our image and likeness." (Gen. 1:25-26) God speaks of man in the singular number, and marks distinctly that he would make but one only, from whom all others should be born, as it is said in the Acts: "And hath made of one, all mankind, to dwell upon the whole face of the earth." (Acts 17:26) The Greek says, "that God made him of the same blood." (Acts 17:26) He even willed that the woman whom he gave to the first man should be drawn from him, to the end that all should be one in the human race. (Gen. 2:22-24) "The Lord built the rib which he took from Adam, into a woman: and brought her to Adam. And Adam said, this now is bone of my bone, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called woman, because she was taken out of man. Wherefore a man shall leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they shall be two in one flesh." (Gen. 2:22-24) Thus the character of friendship is perfect in the human race; and men, who have all but one common father, ought to love each other as brothers. God forbid that kings should believe themselves exempt from this law, or that they should imagine that it diminishes the respect which is due to them. God distinctly declares that the kings whom he will give to his people, "shall be taken from the number of their brethren," (Deut. 17:15) and adds, that "they shall not be puffed up with pride," and that on this condition, their reign shall be long. (Deut 17:20) Men having forgotten their fraternity, and murders having multiplied upon the earth, God resolved to destroy mankind, with the exception of Noah and his family, (Gen 6) by whom he restored the human race, and willed that in this renovation of the world, we shall all still have one common father. Soon afterwards, he forbade murder, reminding men that they are all brothers, descended from the same Adam, and subsequently, from the same Noah: "I will require the blood of the lives of man, at the hand of every man, and of his brother." (Gen 9:5) 4th Proposition: No man is a stranger to another man Our Lord, after having established the precept of loving our neighbor, interrogated by a doctor of the law [concerning] whom we are to regard as our neighbor, condemned the error of the Jews, who regarded as such only those of their nation. He showed them, by the parable of the Samaritan, who assists the traveler who was despised by a priest and by a Levite, that it is not on our nation, but upon humanity in general, that the union of men must be founded. "A priest saw a traveler wounded, and passed by, and a Levite near him, continued his road. But a Samaritan seeing him, was touched with compassion." He relates with what care he assisted him, and then he says to the scribe: "Which of these three, in thy opinion, was neighbor to him that fell among robbers: and the scribe said: he that showed mercy to him: and Jesus said to him, Go, and do thou in like manner." (Luke 10:20-37) This parable teaches us that no man is foreign to another man, were he even of a nation as hated by our own, as was that of the Samaritans by the Jews. 5th Proposition: Each man ought to take care of other men If we are all brethren, all made after the image of God and equally his children, all one race and one blood, we ought to take care of each other; and it is not without reason that it is written, "God has charged every one to have compassion towards his neighbor." (Ecclus. 17:12) If they do not do it in good faith, God will avenge it; for, as Ecclesiasticus adds: "Our ways are always before him, and they cannot be hidden from his eyes." (Ecclus. 13) We must then succor our neighbor, as having to render account to God, who sees us. There are none but parricides and the enemies of the human race, who say, like Cain, "I know not where is my brother: am I my brother's keeper?" (Gen. 4:9) "Have we not all one father? Hath not one God created us? Why then doth every one of us despise our brother, violating the covenant of our fathers?" (Mal. 2:10) 6th Proposition: Interest itself unites us "A brother that is helped by his brother, is like a strong city." (Prov. 18:19) Remark how strength is multiplied by society, and by mutual assistance. "It is better, therefore, that two should be together, than one: for they have the advantage of their society: If one fall, he shall be supported by the other: woe to him that is alone, for when he falleth he has none to lift him up. And if two men lie together, they shall warm one another: how shall one alone be warmed? And if a man prevail against one, two shall withstand him: a three-fold cord is not easily broken." (Eccles. 4:9-12) They console, they assist, they fortify each other. God, having willed to establish society, has established that each one shall find in it his well-being, and remain attached to it through that interest. For which reason, he has given to men different talents. One proper for one thing, and another for another, to the end that they must act together as the members of one body, and that their union be cemented by mutual wants. "For as in one body we have many members, but all the members have not the same office; so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and each one members of each other." (Rom. 12:4-5) Each of us has his gift, and his special grace. "For the body also is not one member, but many. If the foot should say, because I am not the hand, I am not of the body: is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear should say, because I am not the eye, I am not of the body: is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were the eye, where would be the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where would be the smelling? But now God hath set the members, every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. And if they all were one member, where would be the body? But now there are many members, indeed, yet one body. And the eye cannot say to the hand: I need not thy help: nor again the head to the feet: I have no need of you. Yea much more those that seem to be the more feeble members of the body, are more necessary: And such as we think to be the less honorable members of the body, upon these we bestow more abundant honor: and those that are our uncomely parts, have more abundant comeliness. But our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, giving the more abundant honor to that which he wanted. That there might be no schism in the body, but the members might be mutually careful one for another." (I Cor. 12:14-25) Thus, by different talents, the strong have need of the weak, the great of the little, each one of him who appears the most remote from him; because mutual wants attract all, and render allnecessary. Jesus Christ, in forming his Church, established unity on this foundation, and shows us what are the principles of human society. The world subsists by this law. "All things live, and remain forever, and for every use all things obey him. All things are double, one against another, and he hath made nothing defective." (Ecclus. 42:24-26) We see, then, human society supported upon these irreversible foundations; one same God, one same object, one same end, one common origin, one same blood, one same interest, one mutual want, (Paraphrase of Eph. 4:3-6) alike for the affairs, as for the enjoyments of life.” |
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Maybe this seemed clever in your head. |
Anonymous
| I’m agnostic. Build the wall. |
Anonymous
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Aren’t there also verses one could point to about obeying the laws of the land?
most people generally support legal immigration and oppose illegal immigration. |
Anonymous
That’s obviously not true because the second I suggest that we legalize more immigrants you guys just make excuses as to why that’s not a valid solution. |
Anonymous
What defines “illegal immigration”? Did your white ancestors who immigrated here and occupied land stolen from native Americans come here “legally”? I think not. |
Anonymous
Ha. My ancestors aren’t white. There is a well defined and lengthy process to immigrate here legally. People who do not follow that process typically attempt to claim asylum status using falsehoods. Other people illegally overstay their visas. |
Anonymous
The US accepts far more legal immigrants than any other country. We are a very generous people. But, we cannot be expected to accept EVERYONE who wishes to come here. Nor should we. |
Anonymous
Our current laws. About time we start enforcing them. Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. (b) Improper time or place; civil penalties Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of— (1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or (2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection. Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325 |
Anonymous
That's just a dodge. They don't support improving the immigration process so that we can more efficiently and effectively welcome our brothers in Christ into the land. |
Anonymous
+1 |
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I am a conservative and a staunch atheist. You and your bible can go pound sand.
The US is not a theocracy and we have secular laws. Demanding that these laws get enforced is not bigotry. |
Anonymous
I will pray for you, brother. Since your attachment is to the laws and not to the bigotry reflected in those laws, you would join me in supporting that they be changed to let in more people? Perhaps a program that liberalizes work visas to give people time to demonstrate motivation and a work ethic so that we know they will add to our resources rather than drain them? If the person demonstrates a pattern of hard work and no crime for a period of years, they should be made citizens. So many people I encounter hide behind the law when, in reality, they embrace the bigotry the law allows. They would oppose a change in that law because they don't like people with darker skin or different cultures. Even if those people hard workers with good hearts who love their families and would be positive additions to our communities. |
Anonymous
I am a woman, the real kind BTW. And until we get full control of the border, the answer is no, I do not support change to let more people in. What you are coyly saying is that you want amnesty for everyone already here illegally. Absolutely not. And this pattern of no crime for periods of years is in direct conflict with the laws that were broken by entering illegally and most likely working here illegally. |
Anonymous
There you go - her concern is not some kind of abstract and agnostic commitment to "the law." She likes the bigotry and is just hiding behind the law as a pretext. |