Shouldn't university be free for some students?

[Anonymous]

I am talking about Black and American Indian students. Don't you think our country owes reparations and we should start at this humble place. Wherever they go, whether it's a highly selective or your local state school, why not just pay for the education of these students, regardless of SES?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am talking about Black and American Indian students. Don't you think our country owes reparations and we should start at this humble place. Wherever they go, whether it's a highly selective or your local state school, why not just pay for the education of these students, regardless of SES?

This makes more sense to me as reparations than attempting to figure out some dollar amount to pay in a lump sum. But it should begin with private school tuition being paid for beginning in pre-school. Otherwise there will be many who will never make use of the college money available. Doing this for a hundred years would even out the playing field significantly. Oh, and IMHO, people should have to be able to prove a bloodline to slavery or native American ancestry, with help from the government as needed. Those who chose/choose to come here knowing how racist many in the US were/are should not be entitled to the same reparation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am talking about Black and American Indian students. Don't you think our country owes reparations and we should start at this humble place. Wherever they go, whether it's a highly selective or your local state school, why not just pay for the education of these students, regardless of SES?

This makes more sense to me as reparations than attempting to figure out some dollar amount to pay in a lump sum. But it should begin with private school tuition being paid for beginning in pre-school. Otherwise there will be many who will never make use of the college money available. Doing this for a hundred years would even out the playing field significantly. Oh, and IMHO, people should have to be able to prove a bloodline to slavery or native American ancestry, with help from the government as needed. Those who chose/choose to come here knowing how racist many in the US were/are should not be entitled to the same reparation.

That makes sense, but perhaps start at college/vocational training and then trickle down?

[Anonymous]

Yes I do think that OP. It's the most mutually advantageos way to pay reparations. I do get bogged down in the how-tos however. One drop rule? What abour recent immigrants of color? How do you prove descent from slaves vs. parents who came over from Eritria more recently?

And, I'm very white but have at least one AA ancestor. What do we do about those people? DNA tests with limits?

[Anonymous]

Reparations is probably one of the dumbest ideas out there. Where does it end? Any identity group that was harmed by government policy at some point in the distant past now effectively gets to confiscate the wealth of other identity groups for their own enrichment? You know who also got screwed by the “system”- families who lost their fathers, brothers and sons in various wars? Why don’t we send those families reparations?

We are on a path to civil war if we persist with this illogical mode of thought where the descendants of one group owe something to the descendants of another. I don’t owe black people anything and they need to keep their hands out of my pocket. And they owe me nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes I do think that OP. It's the most mutually advantageos way to pay reparations. I do get bogged down in the how-tos however. One drop rule? What abour recent immigrants of color? How do you prove descent from slaves vs. parents who came over from Eritria more recently?

And, I'm very white but have at least one AA ancestor. What do we do about those people? DNA tests with limits?

It should just be based on socioeconomic status, not skin color. Education is the key to moving up the ladder; no one who is motivated should be denied that because of their parents' job status.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reparations is probably one of the dumbest ideas out there. Where does it end? Any identity group that was harmed by government policy at some point in the distant past now effectively gets to confiscate the wealth of other identity groups for their own enrichment? You know who also got screwed by the “system”- families who lost their fathers, brothers and sons in various wars? Why don’t we send those families reparations?

We are on a path to civil war if we persist with this illogical mode of thought where the descendants of one group owe something to the descendants of another. I don’t owe black people anything and they need to keep their hands out of my pocket. And they owe me nothing.

I kind of agree with this. What about all women? Women have been institutionally marginalized and discriminated against for centuries. Where’s my free education and reparations?

[Anonymous]

That already exists, they’re called scholarships.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes I do think that OP. It's the most mutually advantageos way to pay reparations. I do get bogged down in the how-tos however. One drop rule? What abour recent immigrants of color? How do you prove descent from slaves vs. parents who came over from Eritria more recently?

And, I'm very white but have at least one AA ancestor. What do we do about those people? DNA tests with limits?

I think the student would have to declare himself as such on application forms? Yes there will be some people who misuse the system. But it's like the PPP loans during the pandemic...did some rich people misuse the funds..sure. but did it actually help a lot of small businesses...also yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reparations is probably one of the dumbest ideas out there. Where does it end? Any identity group that was harmed by government policy at some point in the distant past now effectively gets to confiscate the wealth of other identity groups for their own enrichment? You know who also got screwed by the “system”- families who lost their fathers, brothers and sons in various wars? Why don’t we send those families reparations?

We are on a path to civil war if we persist with this illogical mode of thought where the descendants of one group owe something to the descendants of another. I don’t owe black people anything and they need to keep their hands out of my pocket. And they owe me nothing.

I kind of agree with this. What about all women? Women have been institutionally marginalized and discriminated against for centuries. Where’s my free education and reparations?

Ideally nobody would have to pay for state public universities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reparations is probably one of the dumbest ideas out there. Where does it end? Any identity group that was harmed by government policy at some point in the distant past now effectively gets to confiscate the wealth of other identity groups for their own enrichment? You know who also got screwed by the “system”- families who lost their fathers, brothers and sons in various wars? Why don’t we send those families reparations?

We are on a path to civil war if we persist with this illogical mode of thought where the descendants of one group owe something to the descendants of another. I don’t owe black people anything and they need to keep their hands out of my pocket. And they owe me nothing.

I kind of agree with this. What about all women? Women have been institutionally marginalized and discriminated against for centuries. Where’s my free education and reparations?

Ideally nobody would have to pay for state public universities.

Agreed. I think trade school should be free too. Not everyone wants to or needs to go to college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reparations is probably one of the dumbest ideas out there. Where does it end? Any identity group that was harmed by government policy at some point in the distant past now effectively gets to confiscate the wealth of other identity groups for their own enrichment? You know who also got screwed by the “system”- families who lost their fathers, brothers and sons in various wars? Why don’t we send those families reparations?

We are on a path to civil war if we persist with this illogical mode of thought where the descendants of one group owe something to the descendants of another. I don’t owe black people anything and they need to keep their hands out of my pocket. And they owe me nothing.

I kind of agree with this. What about all women? Women have been institutionally marginalized and discriminated against for centuries. Where’s my free education and reparations?

Ideally nobody would have to pay for state public universities.

There is no such thing as “nobody would have to pay.” Somebody has to pay. Doesn’t it make sense that it should be the person receiving the goods and services?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes I do think that OP. It's the most mutually advantageos way to pay reparations. I do get bogged down in the how-tos however. One drop rule? What abour recent immigrants of color? How do you prove descent from slaves vs. parents who came over from Eritria more recently?

And, I'm very white but have at least one AA ancestor. What do we do about those people? DNA tests with limits?

I think the student would have to declare himself as such on application forms? Yes there will be some people who misuse the system. But it's like the PPP loans during the pandemic...did some rich people misuse the funds..sure. but did it actually help a lot of small businesses...also yes.

Are you kidding? EVERYONE would misuse the system. Some because of political idealogy, some for money. Heck, my kids have a South American gma which means they are about 15% native American (tested). I would use it! My kids are white and we are UMC. But can't afford $100k for college that is for sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reparations is probably one of the dumbest ideas out there. Where does it end? Any identity group that was harmed by government policy at some point in the distant past now effectively gets to confiscate the wealth of other identity groups for their own enrichment? You know who also got screwed by the “system”- families who lost their fathers, brothers and sons in various wars? Why don’t we send those families reparations?

We are on a path to civil war if we persist with this illogical mode of thought where the descendants of one group owe something to the descendants of another. I don’t owe black people anything and they need to keep their hands out of my pocket. And they owe me nothing.

I kind of agree with this. What about all women? Women have been institutionally marginalized and discriminated against for centuries. Where’s my free education and reparations?

Yep. The logic of reparations is a blackhole. Anyone can claim by virtue of their skin color or some other attribute that “society” owes them money. With all due respect, these people need to F off

[Anonymous]

Jesus wept, OP. You start your Sunday morning at 0700 by starting a fight? How about taking a walk, or reading a book, or spending time with your friends and neighbors?