Prepping/Scamming the Cogat

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem with the GoCAT test is it discriminates against those with feline allergies.

there was some talk kids did poorly because they got a puppy the night before.

[Anonymous]

Now this is a much better thread!

[Anonymous]

And we will always disagree because you are clearly trying to cheat to win. You may win some battles, but you will lose the war. You have zero ethics, and you children will learn that from you.

Those are strong words from you (and many others on this thread) that unfortunately have nothing factual or substantive to back them up. Your petty and contemptible words are merely your opinion. Nothing more.

(1) Prepping for the AAP tests is not considered cheating or even unethical. Provide a single link from FCPS that shows otherwise.

(2) Children from families who did prep are not having nervous breakdowns because they were pushed into a program that is too advanced for them. Please provide a single example of this happening.

(3) Parents who did prep did not do so with the exact answers of any of the AAP tests that they acquired before their children took the test. This has only happened in the delusional fantasies of some of posters on this forum. No one has ever (not once) provided any evidence that this has happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's the explanation of the difference again:

This thread is complete bull. You want to make it so prepping for the CogAT is the same as practicing sports. The same as music.
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It is different. Prepping for the CogAT by using sample questions is akin to forging a birth certificate so an older kid can play on a younger travel team. It is like the elite athlete trying to be the best by taking Human Growth Hormones. It is like the mucisian using a recorded piece instead of a live piece at a concert.

In all fields, there are ways to cheat. And at all levels.

I have seen, in house sports leagues, teams breaking rules on recruiting at the 8 yo level.

It happens. And it is wrong.

[Anonymous]

Where is the explanation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the explanation of the difference again:

This thread is complete bull. You want to make it so prepping for the CogAT is the same as practicing sports. The same as music.
O
It is different. Prepping for the CogAT by using sample questions is akin to forging a birth certificate so an older kid can play on a younger travel team. It is like the elite athlete trying to be the best by taking Human Growth Hormones. It is like the mucisian using a recorded piece instead of a live piece at a concert.

In all fields, there are ways to cheat. And at all levels.

I have seen, in house sports leagues, teams breaking rules on recruiting at the 8 yo level.

It happens. And it is wrong.

Where is the explanation?

It is by analogy. The examples are supposed to be clear examples of cheating, as opposed to solid work ethic and practice.

Prepping by practice tests does nothing for the long run other than inflate a score for the sake of inflating a score (to help one get into AAP). And "practicing" activity should have the goal of allowing the child's brain to properly develop. Not for raising the score on a single test. Raising an intelligent child should be the goal. The CogAT is a metric but not the goal.
The thing is you can inflate the CogAT without increasing the underlying ability to do anything more than take the CogAT. That is a false metric.

And again the problem is, the county knows this goes on. They do not know who specifically has CogAT's that are unreliable. But, if the CogAT is out of whack with the rest of the file, they seem to discount the CogAT (either way). They devalue the CogAT because some people prep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^ well I was in Beijing not too long ago. Lined up in a queue for a taxi, and the people behind me did not observe any decorum whatsoever. Pushing, shoving, ignoring the line - trying their best to get ahead. Because for some that's what it all about right? And you may be in their way. I would still be there today if I hadn't pushed back. So maybe there's a lesson there. Hope not.

More importantly what's the crime rate of Asians in US compared to other races?

[Anonymous]

How is that important?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ well I was in Beijing not too long ago. Lined up in a queue for a taxi, and the people behind me did not observe any decorum whatsoever. Pushing, shoving, ignoring the line - trying their best to get ahead. Because for some that's what it all about right? And you may be in their way. I would still be there today if I hadn't pushed back. So maybe there's a lesson there. Hope not.

More importantly what's the crime rate of Asians in US compared to other races?

forgot to add they also hocked loogies at my feet, but that is a different story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ well I was in Beijing not too long ago. Lined up in a queue for a taxi, and the people behind me did not observe any decorum whatsoever. Pushing, shoving, ignoring the line - trying their best to get ahead. Because for some that's what it all about right? And you may be in their way. I would still be there today if I hadn't pushed back. So maybe there's a lesson there. Hope not.

More importantly what's the crime rate of Asians in US compared to other races?

what's their rate for enlisting in the armed services?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the explanation of the difference again:

This thread is complete bull. You want to make it so prepping for the CogAT is the same as practicing sports. The same as music.
O
It is different. Prepping for the CogAT by using sample questions is akin to forging a birth certificate so an older kid can play on a younger travel team. It is like the elite athlete trying to be the best by taking Human Growth Hormones. It is like the mucisian using a recorded piece instead of a live piece at a concert.

In all fields, there are ways to cheat. And at all levels.

I have seen, in house sports leagues, teams breaking rules on recruiting at the 8 yo level.

It happens. And it is wrong.

Where is the explanation?

It is by analogy. The examples are supposed to be clear examples of cheating, as opposed to solid work ethic and practice.

Prepping by practice tests does nothing for the long run other than inflate a score for the sake of inflating a score (to help one get into AAP). And "practicing" activity should have the goal of allowing the child's brain to properly develop. Not for raising the score on a single test. Raising an intelligent child should be the goal. The CogAT is a metric but not the goal.
The thing is you can inflate the CogAT without increasing the underlying ability to do anything more than take the CogAT. That is a false metric.

And again the problem is, the county knows this goes on. They do not know who specifically has CogAT's that are unreliable. But, if the CogAT is out of whack with the rest of the file, they seem to discount the CogAT (either way). They devalue the CogAT because some people prep.

And this screws over some truly gifted kids who are gifted type II. So, thanks for that!

[Anonymous]

PP: Exactly. Or it buts the burden on those families to pay for the WISC. So, the net result is prepping for the tests does not help you, but hurts others. In my best borat voice: Nice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ well I was in Beijing not too long ago. Lined up in a queue for a taxi, and the people behind me did not observe any decorum whatsoever. Pushing, shoving, ignoring the line - trying their best to get ahead. Because for some that's what it all about right? And you may be in their way. I would still be there today if I hadn't pushed back. So maybe there's a lesson there. Hope not.

More importantly what's the crime rate of Asians in US compared to other races?

what's their rate for enlisting in the armed services?

???
Enlisting in the armed services is an option for individuals.
If you think it's a good choice for you, go ahead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How is that important?

At least more important than lining up for taxis in Beijing?

[Anonymous]

It is different. Prepping for the CogAT by using sample questions is akin to forging a birth certificate so an older kid can play on a younger travel team. It is like the elite athlete trying to be the best by taking Human Growth Hormones. It is like the mucisian using a recorded piece instead of a live piece at a concert.

On how many more pages are you going to keep quoting this? Ten more pages? Twenty? Your analogies suck. And poorly drawn analogies prove nothing.

No. Some parent prepping their 7 year for the 40 question CoGAT test is not the same as forging a birth certificate, taking performance enhancing drugs, playing recorded music at a concert or cheating on an RFI / going to jail and all the other petty and lame examples that you and others here keep posting in this thread ad-nauseum.

Come on, produce a link by FCPS that says that prepping for any of the AAP tests is cheating or even unethical.