NYC college counselor charging $750k for Ivy advice

[Anonymous]

Good lord

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-31/how-to-get-your-kid-into-an-ivy-league-college-parents-pay-750k-for-a-shot

Every word of this is wild.

People in Europe laugh at Americans like this.

What are these $750k counselors actually doing? I’ve learned so much on college confidential, DCUM, and Reddit boards for each school and A2c plus some counselor YouTube videos. I will gladly do this for just half that cost

[Anonymous]

I cannot defend the price, but OP I doubt that you understand what elite top 12 universities are seeking. You certainly did get that from those websites.

[Anonymous]

CORRECTION: Meant to write: You certainly did NOT get that from those websites.

[Anonymous]

Seems like if you have that kind of money, the better option would be to donate it to the school in exchange for your kid's admission. But either way, it's completely slimy.

[Anonymous]

And people on this forum wonder why colleges are seeking talented low-income & first generation students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I cannot defend the price, but OP I doubt that you understand what elite top 12 universities are seeking. You certainly did get that from those websites.

Actually, I know what they are looking for. I interview for one (HYP) and have for 25 years. I’ve watched who gets in from the DC region since I started. The high stats kids without the below no longer get in. They want at least one of the following and maybe 2 or more

-world class research as a high school kid. I mean multiple publications, awards etc.
-URM / first in family to go
-kid from part of the world or US where very few apply to that college (dakotas yes, rural Maine yes, Bethesda no)
-legacy where parent donates at least $2m (a mere 250k or annual giving every year is a no)
-recruited athlete. The more niche the sport, the better. Fencing would be A+
-if not URM, and especially if private school kid 1530+ and 4.0++

The counselor charging $750k can’t control most on that list. Their mere existence, of course, co-locates with the $2m mega donor.

[Anonymous]

This is incredible, although can’t read most outside of paywall.

I too have interviewed for a long time for an HYP but I can’t tell you what it takes bc not one interviewee has gotten in.

I do know some kids from my HYP class who are there and they are not donating $2M

[Anonymous]

Article

The mantra for making it into America’s top schools rings from New York City to Kentucky: Whatever it takes.

College consultants charging as much as $750,000 to build standout applications starting in seventh grade? Worth it, says Hope Choi, whose son applied to 22 schools and has already won a spot at Yale.

Ivy League prices approaching $90,000? “What’s a couple thousand more dollars in debt?” asks 18-year-old Addison Witucki, who set her hopes on going to Harvard or Brown — and then medical school.

Despite public outcry about America’s student loan crisis and soaring college costs, the appeal of an elite education has only gotten stronger. Acceptance rates have plunged below 5%, meaning securing a spot at the top institutions feels akin to winning the lottery.

It’s leaving parents and students wanting a prestigious-if-expensive degree now more than ever, and hunting for the best ways to boost their chances.

Read more: Ivy League Prices Are Pushing $90,000 a Year

Does Prestige Pay?
Miniscule acceptance rates at some of the top colleges illustrate the necessity of finding an edge. Out of the more than 59,000 students who applied to the University of Pennsylvania, 2,400 were accepted. Yale University’s acceptance rate this year was 4.35%, with the application pool being the largest in the college’s history after growing by nearly 50% since 2020.

The sense of exclusivity only makes students and parents want it more — the Varsity Blues scandal demonstrated the extreme lengths some wealthy families will go to get their kids into the best schools.

Eric Sherman, a counselor at college counseling firm IvyWise, compares the veneration of name-brand colleges to a Hermes bag.

“You hit a certain point where quality is legitimately increased, and then everything above that is just brand,” said Sherman, who’s also director of college counseling at Kehillah Jewish High School in Palo Alto, California. “I think that there is a really powerful element here where parents, if they’re at a cocktail party they might want to say, ‘Oh, I drive a Maserati and my daughter goes to Penn.’”

There’s also the return on investment to consider for those willing to cover an elite college’s exorbitant costs. According to Georgetown University’s Center on Education and the Workforce, four-year private schools offer the highest ROI based on the average debt taken on and median salaries 10 and 40 years after enrollment.

Tuition and cost of attendance is not just going up at Ivy League and competitive schools, it’s going up everywhere,” said Christopher Rim, the CEO of college consulting firm Command Education. “If a Rolls-Royce and a Toyota are the exact same price, which one would you want?”

For the Choi family, the answer is a Rolls-Royce — Choi’s son has already been accepted into Yale, Columbia and the University of Chicago, and is still waiting to hear from his dream school, Stanford. Like many families living in New York City’s Upper East Side, the Chois have paid hundreds of thousands already to put him through private school since kindergarten.

“We are fortunate that price is no object,” said Hope Choi. “Prestige carries a lot of weight and we want him to attend the best college for his future.”

To supplement his schooling, they’ve been working with Command Education since he was in ninth grade, considering it a worthwhile investment in his future. The consulting firm charges as much as $750,000 to work with students starting in seventh grade and as much as $500,000 starting in ninth grade. Altogether, Rim estimates many of his clients spend “over $1 million” to prepare their kids for college.

“No client is paying us these fees to get into a random school,” Rim said.

Throwing Darts
To be sure, the decision by many schools to no longer require standardized tests has caused application numbers to balloon. This has artificially deflated universities’ acceptance rates by bottom-loading the application pool, experts say.

These schools every year get better and better at getting students to apply,” said Brian Taylor, managing partner at Ivy Coach, a private college counseling firm. “As an extreme example, more C students applying to Harvard does not make the Harvard applicant pool more competitive.”

New York University received a record-breaking 120,000 applications for the class of 2027, 13% more than last year. Next fall’s freshman year class will be around 5,700 students, bringing their admissions rate down to 8% — a steep drop from 35% a decade ago.

The trend is hard on the many students who don’t get accepted. Addison Witucki found out Thursday that she didn’t get into Harvard or Brown, and is planning to go to the University of Kentucky in her home state instead. Her mother, Sarah, said Addison was disappointed but also relieved that she’d have to take on significantly less debt — the school costs $33,150 total for in-state students versus nearly $85,000 for Brown.

“Even that’s still so much money,” Sarah Witucki said. “The fact that a state school costs this much is mind blowing.”

For those who do get in, aid is often an essential part of the equation. Because elite schools with billion-dollar endowments and robust financial resources are able to help students lower the final cost of attendance, it’s sometimes more affordable to attend a private school than a public one, college consultants say. The gap between graduates with federal student loans is relatively small: In 2021, bachelor’s degree recipients from four-year state colleges had an average federal debt level of $21,400, compared to $22,600 for private universities, according to the College Board.

When Preeti Singh’s daughter was applying to college this year, she recalls telling her, “If you’re going out of state then it has to be something really, really good, because I’m not sending you to the neighboring state just for you wanting to be away from home.”

For the Ohio family, who have a second child who will also be applying to college in a couple of years, price was top of mind. Her daughter applied to both state colleges and more selective schools, Singh said.

When she was accepted to Stanford in December, they decided it was worth paying around $65,000 a year for her computer science degree over about $15,000 at Ohio State University. Singh said that after looking at the aid her daughter received, the cost is “manageable” for an elite education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot defend the price, but OP I doubt that you understand what elite top 12 universities are seeking. You certainly did get that from those websites.

Actually, I know what they are looking for. I interview for one (HYP) and have for 25 years. I’ve watched who gets in from the DC region since I started. The high stats kids without the below no longer get in. They want at least one of the following and maybe 2 or more

-world class research as a high school kid. I mean multiple publications, awards etc.
-URM / first in family to go
-kid from part of the world or US where very few apply to that college (dakotas yes, rural Maine yes, Bethesda no)
-legacy where parent donates at least $2m (a mere 250k or annual giving every year is a no)
-recruited athlete. The more niche the sport, the better. Fencing would be A+
-if not URM, and especially if private school kid 1530+ and 4.0++

The counselor charging $750k can’t control most on that list. Their mere existence, of course, co-locates with the $2m mega donor.

One of the kids from my DD's school that got into Yale, Harvard,Columbia,Princeton, and MIT won both a Regeneron prize and a Davidson scholarship for writing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot defend the price, but OP I doubt that you understand what elite top 12 universities are seeking. You certainly did get that from those websites.

Actually, I know what they are looking for. I interview for one (HYP) and have for 25 years. I’ve watched who gets in from the DC region since I started. The high stats kids without the below no longer get in. They want at least one of the following and maybe 2 or more

-world class research as a high school kid. I mean multiple publications, awards etc.
-URM / first in family to go
-kid from part of the world or US where very few apply to that college (dakotas yes, rural Maine yes, Bethesda no)
-legacy where parent donates at least $2m (a mere 250k or annual giving every year is a no)
-recruited athlete. The more niche the sport, the better. Fencing would be A+
-if not URM, and especially if private school kid 1530+ and 4.0++

The counselor charging $750k can’t control most on that list. Their mere existence, of course, co-locates with the $2m mega donor.

One of the kids from my DD's school that got into Yale, Harvard,Columbia,Princeton, and MIT won both a Regeneron prize and a Davidson scholarship for writing.

Bingo!

[Anonymous]

Because the system is fukced up

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because the system is fukced up

You again.

[Anonymous]

A fool and his money are soon parted. These fools think that its Yale or jail. Sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Article

The mantra for making it into America’s top schools rings from New York City to Kentucky: Whatever it takes.

College consultants charging as much as $750,000 to build standout applications starting in seventh grade? Worth it, says Hope Choi, whose son applied to 22 schools and has already won a spot at Yale.

Ivy League prices approaching $90,000? “What’s a couple thousand more dollars in debt?” asks 18-year-old Addison Witucki, who set her hopes on going to Harvard or Brown — and then medical school.

Despite public outcry about America’s student loan crisis and soaring college costs, the appeal of an elite education has only gotten stronger. Acceptance rates have plunged below 5%, meaning securing a spot at the top institutions feels akin to winning the lottery.

It’s leaving parents and students wanting a prestigious-if-expensive degree now more than ever, and hunting for the best ways to boost their chances.

Read more: Ivy League Prices Are Pushing $90,000 a Year

Does Prestige Pay?
Miniscule acceptance rates at some of the top colleges illustrate the necessity of finding an edge. Out of the more than 59,000 students who applied to the University of Pennsylvania, 2,400 were accepted. Yale University’s acceptance rate this year was 4.35%, with the application pool being the largest in the college’s history after growing by nearly 50% since 2020.

The sense of exclusivity only makes students and parents want it more — the Varsity Blues scandal demonstrated the extreme lengths some wealthy families will go to get their kids into the best schools.

Eric Sherman, a counselor at college counseling firm IvyWise, compares the veneration of name-brand colleges to a Hermes bag.

“You hit a certain point where quality is legitimately increased, and then everything above that is just brand,” said Sherman, who’s also director of college counseling at Kehillah Jewish High School in Palo Alto, California. “I think that there is a really powerful element here where parents, if they’re at a cocktail party they might want to say, ‘Oh, I drive a Maserati and my daughter goes to Penn.’”

There’s also the return on investment to consider for those willing to cover an elite college’s exorbitant costs. According to Georgetown University’s Center on Education and the Workforce, four-year private schools offer the highest ROI based on the average debt taken on and median salaries 10 and 40 years after enrollment.

Tuition and cost of attendance is not just going up at Ivy League and competitive schools, it’s going up everywhere,” said Christopher Rim, the CEO of college consulting firm Command Education. “If a Rolls-Royce and a Toyota are the exact same price, which one would you want?”

For the Choi family, the answer is a Rolls-Royce — Choi’s son has already been accepted into Yale, Columbia and the University of Chicago, and is still waiting to hear from his dream school, Stanford. Like many families living in New York City’s Upper East Side, the Chois have paid hundreds of thousands already to put him through private school since kindergarten.

“We are fortunate that price is no object,” said Hope Choi. “Prestige carries a lot of weight and we want him to attend the best college for his future.”

To supplement his schooling, they’ve been working with Command Education since he was in ninth grade, considering it a worthwhile investment in his future. The consulting firm charges as much as $750,000 to work with students starting in seventh grade and as much as $500,000 starting in ninth grade. Altogether, Rim estimates many of his clients spend “over $1 million” to prepare their kids for college.

“No client is paying us these fees to get into a random school,” Rim said.

Throwing Darts
To be sure, the decision by many schools to no longer require standardized tests has caused application numbers to balloon. This has artificially deflated universities’ acceptance rates by bottom-loading the application pool, experts say.

These schools every year get better and better at getting students to apply,” said Brian Taylor, managing partner at Ivy Coach, a private college counseling firm. “As an extreme example, more C students applying to Harvard does not make the Harvard applicant pool more competitive.”

New York University received a record-breaking 120,000 applications for the class of 2027, 13% more than last year. Next fall’s freshman year class will be around 5,700 students, bringing their admissions rate down to 8% — a steep drop from 35% a decade ago.

The trend is hard on the many students who don’t get accepted. Addison Witucki found out Thursday that she didn’t get into Harvard or Brown, and is planning to go to the University of Kentucky in her home state instead. Her mother, Sarah, said Addison was disappointed but also relieved that she’d have to take on significantly less debt — the school costs $33,150 total for in-state students versus nearly $85,000 for Brown.

“Even that’s still so much money,” Sarah Witucki said. “The fact that a state school costs this much is mind blowing.”

For those who do get in, aid is often an essential part of the equation. Because elite schools with billion-dollar endowments and robust financial resources are able to help students lower the final cost of attendance, it’s sometimes more affordable to attend a private school than a public one, college consultants say. The gap between graduates with federal student loans is relatively small: In 2021, bachelor’s degree recipients from four-year state colleges had an average federal debt level of $21,400, compared to $22,600 for private universities, according to the College Board.

When Preeti Singh’s daughter was applying to college this year, she recalls telling her, “If you’re going out of state then it has to be something really, really good, because I’m not sending you to the neighboring state just for you wanting to be away from home.”

For the Ohio family, who have a second child who will also be applying to college in a couple of years, price was top of mind. Her daughter applied to both state colleges and more selective schools, Singh said.

When she was accepted to Stanford in December, they decided it was worth paying around $65,000 a year for her computer science degree over about $15,000 at Ohio State University. Singh said that after looking at the aid her daughter received, the cost is “manageable” for an elite education.

Could it be, just maybe, that 4-year private schools offer a “higher ROI” because they have wealthier student bodies with more family connections?

[Anonymous]

Hope those are fake names in the article.