Dual enrollment questions
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Anonymous
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We had not focused on DE since DC never showed any interest (rising senior). He now thinks that he may want to do that instead of an AP.
Can someone explain what it means from a workload and college perspective? - Do kids have to attend in-person classes? If so, how often? - How difficult are the mechanics of the class in relation to HS? Homework, quizzes, tests, exams, etc? How often? - Grading difficulty? - Which college do FCPS kids do this with? NVCC or GMU? - Will exams be in-person and/or conflict with HS tests/AP exams? If so, how do kids deal with those conflicts? - How does the transfer of grades to college work? Say a college accepts an AP score of 4 or 5 and waives a class with full credit (e.g. AP CS). Do things work the same way with DE? Will the course requirement be waived completely with full credit or will it be considered a transfer and the DE GPA become part of the college GPA? - What's the typical grade expected in a DE class to get college waiver - 3.0? Thanks! |
Anonymous
| One more.. How do I find a list of courses that would be allowed as DE? For example, if DC wants to take DE English as a senior instead of AP Lit or English Honors, is there a list of courses that FCPS lists as allowed courses? |
Anonymous
NM. found this. https://www.fcps.edu/academics/graduation-requirements-and-course-planning/college-credit-high-school/dual-enrollment |
Anonymous
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Colleges might not accept DE classes for credit. This is particularly true with DE classes held at the high school.
That said, you will need to send the grades to colleges as part if the application. The grade will become part if the transcript, even if the college does not give credit. This means if the student applies to grad schools, the grad school will see the DE class and grade. |
Anonymous
If your kid plans to go in state, DE credits are more widely accepted at VA schools than AP credits. My DD at W&M only got a few classes' worth of credits for AP exams (W&M generally wants 5s, will take some 4s). Her college friends who did DE classes came in with enough credits to be sophomores or juniors b/c W&M took all their DE credits. Other VA schools are more generous with AP credits that W&M, so if your kid is considering in-state, look at which scores the different schools will take. Based on DC1's experience, DC2 is planning to go the DE route. All the classes are taught at his high school. He is looking at schools a little less competitive that W&M (GMU, JMU, maybe UMW) and would be happy to go in with as many credits as possible. |
Anonymous
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I think DE classes are undersold around here, and are probably a better bet for most students in terms of actually getting college credit.
My DC has ASD and ADHD, and she's accumulated enough DE credits so that she won't have to take more than 4 classes a semester when she gets to college, plus most of her general ed requirements are met. She was unlikely to get credits through AP based on a year-long cumulative high stakes test. If your DC is looking at in-state VA schools, it's pretty easy to find a transfer matrix on each school's website that will tell you exactly which classes will transfer and which requirements they will meet. |
Anonymous
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OP. Thanks everyone. DC will be targeting in-state schools and not the high end ones. Will check out the transfer matrices at each school.
The DE classes seem to be offered through Nova, through FCPS online. Don't have clarity yet on when kids meet, how often, etc. as well as how/when tests will be conducted. Any info. on that is appreciated! |
Anonymous
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As to when/how they are offered, it depends. You have two choices: DE classes through FCPS, and enrolling directly at NVCC and transferring the credits back. An earlier poster gave a link showing which classes can be used to meet FCPS graduation requirements.
For FCPS-taught DE classes, they are either regular school-day classes or through online campus. For NVCC concurrent enrollment you will have to check the NVCC schedule. Many of their classes are offered in the evenings or on weekends, some virtual, and some on campus. There are also online classes with no real-time meetings, but I would only recommend that if your kid is really prepared to self-study. If you are interested in earning credits but unconcerned with meeting graduation requirements, you can also look up the early online college program. Those won't give you FCPS credits, but you can take up to 2 classes each semester and they are tuition free: https://www.fcps.edu/node/44777 |
Anonymous
| I thought DE was for those enrolled in the NVCC (NOVA) transfer program? Meaning they'll attend NVCC upon graduation... |
Anonymous
No, they are open to everyone and taken by plenty of kids planning to attend 4-year colleges. Most VA universities take DE credits. |
Anonymous
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DC has taken 2 DE classes at FCPS- one for NVCC and one currently for JMU.
DC has taken 11 AP courses and says the DE ones are a lot more relaxed since the teachers can teach the course the way they want. For APs, the "rigor" is following what the college board says. Headed to W&M and did an approximate count of what credits will transfer. So far, one 4 in AP World exam will not get credit. |
Anonymous
| If your child is DE as a senior and *wants to go to NOVA upon graduation (I know, this is terrible to think about it here), do they have to re apply for NOVA? |
Anonymous
You have to do something to update your status from DE student to Degree-seeking. Not sure if this involves submitting a form or meeting with a counselor, but you wouldn't have to go through the application process again either way. |
Anonymous
I have a rising senior as well and we just met with the Career & College specialist at his school and she suggested to take DE's instead of APs. My son's main complain from his AP classes is that teachers are constantly reminding/talking about the AP exam instead of the class curriculum. Kind of like when teachers talk about SOLs non-stop... I would like to hear more answers to your original questions too. I checked the FCPS DE link but it didn't answer many of the questions you posted. My son is going to talk to his Counselor about switching some of his APs to DEs for next year... |