APS middle school boundary process

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't always agree with him, but James Lander's comments resonated with me last night. He made the point that what the SB has consistently heard is that no one, regardless of race, income, etc., wants their kids bussed, and no one who is complaining is volunteering to have their kid transfer & be bussed for diversity's sake.

I think the SB's hands are tied here.

Yes, exactly. The burden should always be on someone else to fix, no one's willing to take it on themselves.

I was looking at elementary boundaries last night, contemplating what might happen when they open the Reed School, and realized that with the PUs now broken up, we will probably be rezoned into a different elementary school when our youngest will be starting fourth grade (so probably no grandfathering there). That makes me sad, because we've been at our elementary school for years, it's our community and I hate the idea of not finishing our elementary years there. But I also see a whole host of reasons why it would be the most sensible option, and I get that it's not all about me and what I want, it's about everyone. So when those maps come out and they have us moving to a different school, I will keep my mouth shut and accept it because it's the right choice, even if it's not what i want.

You'll probably be alone in that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Loved the old guy from Maywood last night who spoke up about diversity now that his kids are all grown up. From Lilly white Maywood, classic.

Jackwagon, he has kids in school currently. He's a respected member of the community and co-chair of the Arlington Civic Federation School's Committee. Also, if he's been in Arlington long enough it's entirely possible that he's watched the area he lives in and the schools his home is zoned to become less and less diverse. He's allowed to feel how he feels.

He has kids that will be in MS? My impression was that he did not, if I m wrong then I apologize. If his kids are out of middle school then, he really shouldn't be trying to social engineer on the back of other parents.

You can't deny that Maywood had been super white forever... it in fact tends to run more conservative than a lot of the surrounding area, so I guess he is encouraging diversity by being one of the liberals there? He didn't choose to live in a diverse neighborhood, and if his kids are part MS that is poor form.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't always agree with him, but James Lander's comments resonated with me last night. He made the point that what the SB has consistently heard is that no one, regardless of race, income, etc., wants their kids bussed, and no one who is complaining is volunteering to have their kid transfer & be bussed for diversity's sake.

I think the SB's hands are tied here.

Yes, exactly. The burden should always be on someone else to fix, no one's willing to take it on themselves.

I was looking at elementary boundaries last night, contemplating what might happen when they open the Reed School, and realized that with the PUs now broken up, we will probably be rezoned into a different elementary school when our youngest will be starting fourth grade (so probably no grandfathering there). That makes me sad, because we've been at our elementary school for years, it's our community and I hate the idea of not finishing our elementary years there. But I also see a whole host of reasons why it would be the most sensible option, and I get that it's not all about me and what I want, it's about everyone. So when those maps come out and they have us moving to a different school, I will keep my mouth shut and accept it because it's the right choice, even if it's not what i want.

You'll probably be alone in that.

You may be right, but that doesn't mean I won't be disappointed that people can't be a little more mature and a little less selfish about these issues.

[Anonymous]

Is this likely the final map, or could it change again? They should just give us the final map and be done with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Loved the old guy from Maywood last night who spoke up about diversity now that his kids are all grown up. From Lilly white Maywood, classic.

Jackwagon, he has kids in school currently. He's a respected member of the community and co-chair of the Arlington Civic Federation School's Committee. Also, if he's been in Arlington long enough it's entirely possible that he's watched the area he lives in and the schools his home is zoned to become less and less diverse. He's allowed to feel how he feels.

He has kids that will be in MS? My impression was that he did not, if I m wrong then I apologize. If his kids are out of middle school then, he really shouldn't be trying to social engineer on the back of other parents.

You can't deny that Maywood had been super white forever... it in fact tends to run more conservative than a lot of the surrounding area, so I guess he is encouraging diversity by being one of the liberals there? He didn't choose to live in a diverse neighborhood, and if his kids are part MS that is poor form.

You obviously don't know him or anything about his family. I'm not going to put it all out there, but you can figure it out if you try. In short, you're woefully uninformed.

And just so you know, social engineering is a term coined and primarily utilized by Conservatives, like you , and like James Lander (which may have been a big reason that the Dems primaried and then defeated him). Also filed under "social engineering": zoning, tax deductions, merit-based scholarships, tax-free inheritances. Pretty much everything that has historically benefited wealthy white folks. All of a sudden you don't like it? You seemed to like "social engineering," so long as you were the primary beneficiaries.

I don't blame the residents of Hall's Hill for wanting out of Williamsburg. But it has less to do with being able to walk and more to do with being able to get out of a toxic environment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Loved the old guy from Maywood last night who spoke up about diversity now that his kids are all grown up. From Lilly white Maywood, classic.

Jackwagon, he has kids in school currently. He's a respected member of the community and co-chair of the Arlington Civic Federation School's Committee. Also, if he's been in Arlington long enough it's entirely possible that he's watched the area he lives in and the schools his home is zoned to become less and less diverse. He's allowed to feel how he feels.

He has kids that will be in MS? My impression was that he did not, if I m wrong then I apologize. If his kids are out of middle school then, he really shouldn't be trying to social engineer on the back of other parents.

You can't deny that Maywood had been super white forever... it in fact tends to run more conservative than a lot of the surrounding area, so I guess he is encouraging diversity by being one of the liberals there? He didn't choose to live in a diverse neighborhood, and if his kids are part MS that is poor form.

I know him, his wife is Latina so he actually is a diversity element to Maywood, kinda. Most people don't care about racial diversity, it's economic diversity which is divisive. So though his kids added racial diversity, I suspect they were not economically diverse since his home is about $900k

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Loved the old guy from Maywood last night who spoke up about diversity now that his kids are all grown up. From Lilly white Maywood, classic.

Jackwagon, he has kids in school currently. He's a respected member of the community and co-chair of the Arlington Civic Federation School's Committee. Also, if he's been in Arlington long enough it's entirely possible that he's watched the area he lives in and the schools his home is zoned to become less and less diverse. He's allowed to feel how he feels.

He has kids that will be in MS? My impression was that he did not, if I m wrong then I apologize. If his kids are out of middle school then, he really shouldn't be trying to social engineer on the back of other parents.

You can't deny that Maywood had been super white forever... it in fact tends to run more conservative than a lot of the surrounding area, so I guess he is encouraging diversity by being one of the liberals there? He didn't choose to live in a diverse neighborhood, and if his kids are part MS that is poor form.

You obviously don't know him or anything about his family. I'm not going to put it all out there, but you can figure it out if you try. In short, you're woefully uninformed.

And just so you know, social engineering is a term coined and primarily utilized by Conservatives, like you , and like James Lander (which may have been a big reason that the Dems primaried and then defeated him). Also filed under "social engineering": zoning, tax deductions, merit-based scholarships, tax-free inheritances. Pretty much everything that has historically benefited wealthy white folks. All of a sudden you don't like it? You seemed to like "social engineering," so long as you were the primary beneficiaries.

I don't blame the residents of Hall's Hill for wanting out of Williamsburg. But it has less to do with being able to walk and more to do with being able to get out of a toxic environment.

My only point is that if you don't have kids that will be in middle school, don't meddle after the fact. Honestly, I am a liberal and we looked for a school that is diverse in all elements, and we are happy with our school. But the SB has much bigger problems of capacity and economics to focus on, and advocating things like busing or what not wastes time, money, and political capital. Focus on critical capacity problems, not some pet project of a near retiree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Loved the old guy from Maywood last night who spoke up about diversity now that his kids are all grown up. From Lilly white Maywood, classic.

Jackwagon, he has kids in school currently. He's a respected member of the community and co-chair of the Arlington Civic Federation School's Committee. Also, if he's been in Arlington long enough it's entirely possible that he's watched the area he lives in and the schools his home is zoned to become less and less diverse. He's allowed to feel how he feels.

He has kids that will be in MS? My impression was that he did not, if I m wrong then I apologize. If his kids are out of middle school then, he really shouldn't be trying to social engineer on the back of other parents.

You can't deny that Maywood had been super white forever... it in fact tends to run more conservative than a lot of the surrounding area, so I guess he is encouraging diversity by being one of the liberals there? He didn't choose to live in a diverse neighborhood, and if his kids are part MS that is poor form.

You obviously don't know him or anything about his family. I'm not going to put it all out there, but you can figure it out if you try. In short, you're woefully uninformed.

And just so you know, social engineering is a term coined and primarily utilized by Conservatives, like you , and like James Lander (which may have been a big reason that the Dems primaried and then defeated him). Also filed under "social engineering": zoning, tax deductions, merit-based scholarships, tax-free inheritances. Pretty much everything that has historically benefited wealthy white folks. All of a sudden you don't like it? You seemed to like "social engineering," so long as you were the primary beneficiaries.

I don't blame the residents of Hall's Hill for wanting out of Williamsburg. But it has less to do with being able to walk and more to do with being able to get out of a toxic environment.

You really shouldn’t be calling other people “woefully uninformed” and then making ignorant comments about people that you don’t know.

-np

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Loved the old guy from Maywood last night who spoke up about diversity now that his kids are all grown up. From Lilly white Maywood, classic.

Jackwagon, he has kids in school currently. He's a respected member of the community and co-chair of the Arlington Civic Federation School's Committee. Also, if he's been in Arlington long enough it's entirely possible that he's watched the area he lives in and the schools his home is zoned to become less and less diverse. He's allowed to feel how he feels.

He has kids that will be in MS? My impression was that he did not, if I m wrong then I apologize. If his kids are out of middle school then, he really shouldn't be trying to social engineer on the back of other parents.

You can't deny that Maywood had been super white forever... it in fact tends to run more conservative than a lot of the surrounding area, so I guess he is encouraging diversity by being one of the liberals there? He didn't choose to live in a diverse neighborhood, and if his kids are part MS that is poor form.

You obviously don't know him or anything about his family. I'm not going to put it all out there, but you can figure it out if you try. In short, you're woefully uninformed.

And just so you know, social engineering is a term coined and primarily utilized by Conservatives, like you , and like James Lander (which may have been a big reason that the Dems primaried and then defeated him). Also filed under "social engineering": zoning, tax deductions, merit-based scholarships, tax-free inheritances. Pretty much everything that has historically benefited wealthy white folks. All of a sudden you don't like it? You seemed to like "social engineering," so long as you were the primary beneficiaries.

I don't blame the residents of Hall's Hill for wanting out of Williamsburg. But it has less to do with being able to walk and more to do with being able to get out of a toxic environment.

Every other speaker stated their current elementary school and projected middle school; he did not. So does he have kids that will be in middle school under the new boundary?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Loved the old guy from Maywood last night who spoke up about diversity now that his kids are all grown up. From Lilly white Maywood, classic.

Jackwagon, he has kids in school currently. He's a respected member of the community and co-chair of the Arlington Civic Federation School's Committee. Also, if he's been in Arlington long enough it's entirely possible that he's watched the area he lives in and the schools his home is zoned to become less and less diverse. He's allowed to feel how he feels.

He has kids that will be in MS? My impression was that he did not, if I m wrong then I apologize. If his kids are out of middle school then, he really shouldn't be trying to social engineer on the back of other parents.

You can't deny that Maywood had been super white forever... it in fact tends to run more conservative than a lot of the surrounding area, so I guess he is encouraging diversity by being one of the liberals there? He didn't choose to live in a diverse neighborhood, and if his kids are part MS that is poor form.

You obviously don't know him or anything about his family. I'm not going to put it all out there, but you can figure it out if you try. In short, you're woefully uninformed.

And just so you know, social engineering is a term coined and primarily utilized by Conservatives, like you , and like James Lander (which may have been a big reason that the Dems primaried and then defeated him). Also filed under "social engineering": zoning, tax deductions, merit-based scholarships, tax-free inheritances. Pretty much everything that has historically benefited wealthy white folks. All of a sudden you don't like it? You seemed to like "social engineering," so long as you were the primary beneficiaries.

I don't blame the residents of Hall's Hill for wanting out of Williamsburg. But it has less to do with being able to walk and more to do with being able to get out of a toxic environment.

Every other speaker stated their current elementary school and projected middle school; he did not. So does he have kids that will be in middle school under the new boundary?

Is this even worth arguing about? He made the same point a bunch of other people have made about diversity, but offered zero constructive suggestions. So yeah, he said some words, but it's not like he added anything of value to the discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Loved the old guy from Maywood last night who spoke up about diversity now that his kids are all grown up. From Lilly white Maywood, classic.

Jackwagon, he has kids in school currently. He's a respected member of the community and co-chair of the Arlington Civic Federation School's Committee. Also, if he's been in Arlington long enough it's entirely possible that he's watched the area he lives in and the schools his home is zoned to become less and less diverse. He's allowed to feel how he feels.

He has kids that will be in MS? My impression was that he did not, if I m wrong then I apologize. If his kids are out of middle school then, he really shouldn't be trying to social engineer on the back of other parents.

You can't deny that Maywood had been super white forever... it in fact tends to run more conservative than a lot of the surrounding area, so I guess he is encouraging diversity by being one of the liberals there? He didn't choose to live in a diverse neighborhood, and if his kids are part MS that is poor form.

You obviously don't know him or anything about his family. I'm not going to put it all out there, but you can figure it out if you try. In short, you're woefully uninformed.

And just so you know, social engineering is a term coined and primarily utilized by Conservatives, like you , and like James Lander (which may have been a big reason that the Dems primaried and then defeated him). Also filed under "social engineering": zoning, tax deductions, merit-based scholarships, tax-free inheritances. Pretty much everything that has historically benefited wealthy white folks. All of a sudden you don't like it? You seemed to like "social engineering," so long as you were the primary beneficiaries.

I don't blame the residents of Hall's Hill for wanting out of Williamsburg. But it has less to do with being able to walk and more to do with being able to get out of a toxic environment.

My only point is that if you don't have kids that will be in middle school, don't meddle after the fact. Honestly, I am a liberal and we looked for a school that is diverse in all elements, and we are happy with our school. But the SB has much bigger problems of capacity and economics to focus on, and advocating things like busing or what not wastes time, money, and political capital. Focus on critical capacity problems, not some pet project of a near retiree.

Spoken like a true liberal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Loved the old guy from Maywood last night who spoke up about diversity now that his kids are all grown up. From Lilly white Maywood, classic.

Jackwagon, he has kids in school currently. He's a respected member of the community and co-chair of the Arlington Civic Federation School's Committee. Also, if he's been in Arlington long enough it's entirely possible that he's watched the area he lives in and the schools his home is zoned to become less and less diverse. He's allowed to feel how he feels.

He has kids that will be in MS? My impression was that he did not, if I m wrong then I apologize. If his kids are out of middle school then, he really shouldn't be trying to social engineer on the back of other parents.

You can't deny that Maywood had been super white forever... it in fact tends to run more conservative than a lot of the surrounding area, so I guess he is encouraging diversity by being one of the liberals there? He didn't choose to live in a diverse neighborhood, and if his kids are part MS that is poor form.

You obviously don't know him or anything about his family. I'm not going to put it all out there, but you can figure it out if you try. In short, you're woefully uninformed.

And just so you know, social engineering is a term coined and primarily utilized by Conservatives, like you , and like James Lander (which may have been a big reason that the Dems primaried and then defeated him). Also filed under "social engineering": zoning, tax deductions, merit-based scholarships, tax-free inheritances. Pretty much everything that has historically benefited wealthy white folks. All of a sudden you don't like it? You seemed to like "social engineering," so long as you were the primary beneficiaries.

I don't blame the residents of Hall's Hill for wanting out of Williamsburg. But it has less to do with being able to walk and more to do with being able to get out of a toxic environment.

You really shouldn’t be calling other people “woefully uninformed” and then making ignorant comments about people that you don’t know.

-np

Well, I know some people call themselves something and then act a different way. That's what I know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Loved the old guy from Maywood last night who spoke up about diversity now that his kids are all grown up. From Lilly white Maywood, classic.

Jackwagon, he has kids in school currently. He's a respected member of the community and co-chair of the Arlington Civic Federation School's Committee. Also, if he's been in Arlington long enough it's entirely possible that he's watched the area he lives in and the schools his home is zoned to become less and less diverse. He's allowed to feel how he feels.

He has kids that will be in MS? My impression was that he did not, if I m wrong then I apologize. If his kids are out of middle school then, he really shouldn't be trying to social engineer on the back of other parents.

You can't deny that Maywood had been super white forever... it in fact tends to run more conservative than a lot of the surrounding area, so I guess he is encouraging diversity by being one of the liberals there? He didn't choose to live in a diverse neighborhood, and if his kids are part MS that is poor form.

You obviously don't know him or anything about his family. I'm not going to put it all out there, but you can figure it out if you try. In short, you're woefully uninformed.

And just so you know, social engineering is a term coined and primarily utilized by Conservatives, like you , and like James Lander (which may have been a big reason that the Dems primaried and then defeated him). Also filed under "social engineering": zoning, tax deductions, merit-based scholarships, tax-free inheritances. Pretty much everything that has historically benefited wealthy white folks. All of a sudden you don't like it? You seemed to like "social engineering," so long as you were the primary beneficiaries.

I don't blame the residents of Hall's Hill for wanting out of Williamsburg. But it has less to do with being able to walk and more to do with being able to get out of a toxic environment.

My only point is that if you don't have kids that will be in middle school, don't meddle after the fact. Honestly, I am a liberal and we looked for a school that is diverse in all elements, and we are happy with our school. But the SB has much bigger problems of capacity and economics to focus on, and advocating things like busing or what not wastes time, money, and political capital. Focus on critical capacity problems, not some pet project of a near retiree.

Spoken like a true liberal.

Well, Churchill must have been right, now that I am old and have to look out for dependents.

[Anonymous]

If my child ends up going to Swanson what are the positives and negatives of going above 100%, 110%, 120%...?

Classes
Aren't they capped in size?
Do the fill up quicker - are they harder to get into?
New/Different classes - like sign language?
Trailers
Sports Teams - hard to get on?
Lunch Room Full

Also if a Middle School is only 90% capacity do they miss out on anything? Would innovative classes be pulled due to lower enrollment?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If my child ends up going to Swanson what are the positives and negatives of going above 100%, 110%, 120%...?

Classes
Aren't they capped in size?
Do the fill up quicker - are they harder to get into?
New/Different classes - like sign language?
Trailers
Sports Teams - hard to get on?
Lunch Room Full

Also if a Middle School is only 90% capacity do they miss out on anything? Would innovative classes be pulled due to lower enrollment?

There are not positives for being overenrolled. It means:

Classes are capped, so they need more classrooms (more trailers)
Classes filling? That depends upon whether or not the school gets more staff - probably not
No new classes. Resources are already strained
Yes, trailers.
Teams have more competition
Lunch Room full
Usually admin staff isn't increased, so that's less personal attention for students and parents.