What does recent decision of Anglican Church (denying gay marriage) mean for Episcopal Church ?

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know whether Episcopal church will finally consider leaving the Anglican Communion ? The Anglican communion leadership has been punishing the Episcopal Church for years regarding its affirming positions on gay marriages and non conforming gender identities.

I know at our Episcopal church there are many Gay couples and youth who identify all over the gender spectrum.
The Episcopal church is also very assertive in repenting and changing its ways regarding structural racism.

I don’t see a way back to the Anglican Communion given it’s hard no to welcoming gays/ bis etc as equals within the church.

Maybe I am way off base though.

I believe that the hooe was for reconciliation and acceptance of divergent theologies. Is that possible?

[Anonymous]

If the Synod forces Episcopalian Churches to abandon gay parishioners, the Church in the US dies. Conservatives have already left and been replaced by socially liberal christians looking for a more welcoming church. Loose them, and you don't have much left

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the Synod forces Episcopalian Churches to abandon gay parishioners, the Church in the US dies. Conservatives have already left and been replaced by socially liberal christians looking for a more welcoming church. Loose them, and you don't have much left

There is no way the episcopal church will turn their backs on gays and gender non conforming people. They have been gone to battle over that for many years. The Anglican Church punished them for years with reduced voting rights at Anglican world wide communion matters being cited on.

The question is whether the episcopal church will leave the Anglican communion altogether …

[Anonymous]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64313367.amp

Church of England bishops refuse to back gay marriage
By Harry Farley

Church of England bishops have refused to back a change in teaching to allow priests to marry same-sex couples, sources have told BBC News.
They met on Tuesday to finalise their recommendations after five years of consultation and debate on the Church's position on sexuality.
Their proposal will be debated at the Church's equivalent of a parliament - the General Synod - next month.



Here is good summary of different Anglican canon’s position on gay marriage last July

Church of England: No formal recognition; possible action pending
The church’s canons define marriage as the union of a man and woman. Because it is the state church of England, its canon law is part of English law. When same-sex marriage was legalized in England and Wales in 2013, the Church of England and Church in Wales sought exemption from the law on the grounds of their definition of marriage. As a result, both churches are legally prohibited from celebrating same-sex marriages unless their canons change.
In 2005, the church’s House of Bishops issued a pastoral statement saying priests could not bless same-sex civil unions. It also allowed priests to enter into same-sex civil unions, but only if they are celibate. That was reiterated after the legalization of same-sex marriage.
Over the last few years, the church’s Living in Love and Faith initiative has compiled extensive resources summarizing the various perspectives on sexuality around the church. Forthcoming proposals based on the project are expected to go before General Synod in February 2023, when Living in Love and Faith leaders say the Church of England will “draw its own conclusions.”

https://www.episcopalnewsservice.org/2022/07/28/with-same-sex-marriage-in-the-spotlight-where-does-it-stand-across-the-anglican-communion/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the Synod forces Episcopalian Churches to abandon gay parishioners, the Church in the US dies. Conservatives have already left and been replaced by socially liberal christians looking for a more welcoming church. Loose them, and you don't have much left

Do you think the Church of England bishops’s refusal to back a change in teaching to allow priests to marry same-sex couples will have much bearing on the Synod decision to take place next month? Or will other canons just ignore them and carry on?

[Anonymous]

The impact will be nothing.

[Anonymous]

Nothing, we don't live in England.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nothing, we don't live in England.

No but we are part of the world wide Anglican communion. There are benefits to being part of an international faith community.

The irony of leaving the Anglican communion over gay marriage when the Anglican Church was originally only formed to allow divorce and remarriage.

[Anonymous]

I'm completely opposed to the CoE's decision. One thing to know, though, is that the worldwide Anglican communion has a significant presence in African and other countries where the voices tend to be socially conservative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing, we don't live in England.

No but we are part of the world wide Anglican communion. There are benefits to being part of an international faith community.

The irony of leaving the Anglican communion over gay marriage when the Anglican Church was originally only formed to allow divorce and remarriage.

The Anglican Communion will not benefit if TEC leaves. Catering to more conservative (or repressive) nations because they have a lot of parishioners is shortsighted, I think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing, we don't live in England.

No but we are part of the world wide Anglican communion. There are benefits to being part of an international faith community.

The irony of leaving the Anglican communion over gay marriage when the Anglican Church was originally only formed to allow divorce and remarriage.

The Anglican Communion will not benefit if TEC leaves. Catering to more conservative (or repressive) nations because they have a lot of parishioners is shortsighted, I think.

I don't think it's catering so much as having a majority of voices (votes?) from conservative nations that are pushing them in this direction. But yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the Synod forces Episcopalian Churches to abandon gay parishioners, the Church in the US dies. Conservatives have already left and been replaced by socially liberal christians looking for a more welcoming church. Loose them, and you don't have much left

No, we are still around. Unwelcome, but still around.

[Anonymous]

I sucked it up for our Anglican church [with a generic non Anglican name] in NEDC until this proclamation. This is the final nail in the all are welcome grace dc said they were offering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the Synod forces Episcopalian Churches to abandon gay parishioners, the Church in the US dies. Conservatives have already left and been replaced by socially liberal christians looking for a more welcoming church. Loose them, and you don't have much left

There already isn't much left. Episcopal church numbers have been dwindling for years. Lots of parishes have been shuttered.

[Anonymous]

I live in Canada and I know quite a few Anglicans, and some of the most involved people I know are gay, gender diverse etc. Some of have left other churches that were against gay marriage or not as welcoming of it. Seeing lots of disappointment over this decision, but also seems like it won't actually impact Anglican churches here in Canada.