Norfolk Avenue Development Survey (bikes lanes, etc)

[Anonymous]

Let them (MCDOT) know your thoughts.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/PDRZ8K3?fbclid=IwAR3E977YC8yMXSFh3rlfc8OLlvpbFQO33oF-Fnu1b0yIVipaDbZzrwkyeJQ

[Anonymous]

There are no plans for bike lanes on Norfolk Avenue. The original plan was for a "shared street", where people walk, bike, and drive slowly on the same street. The question now is whether the Norfolk Avenue streetery should remain as is, or whether people should be allowed to drive on/through the streetery.
https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/12/12/montgomery-planning-department-reconsiders-norfolk-avenue-shared-street-project/

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the heads up - feel like I follow all things Bethesda on social media and missed this survey.

Just took it and indicated my strong support for removing cars on Norfolk and making it a pedestrian and bike oriented avenue and a safe space for everyone.

Via my taxes there is a lot of publicly subsidized public parking in Bethesda - an advantage of all of that parking should be options to make better use of our streets - no one reason Norfolk can't be a fabulous and safe car free or car lite zone.

[Anonymous]

Fascinating how many people who don’t live in Bethesda care so deeply about what goes on there. Why don’t you fight to make your neighborhoods carefree instead? I note for example that DDOT DC has not permanently closed a single street anywhere in DC. And not one of these Silver Spring activists is pushing to close Fenton to cars. Hmmmmm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fascinating how many people who don’t live in Bethesda care so deeply about what goes on there. Why don’t you fight to make your neighborhoods carefree instead? I note for example that DDOT DC has not permanently closed a single street anywhere in DC. And not one of these Silver Spring activists is pushing to close Fenton to cars. Hmmmmm.

What makes you think these commenters aren’t in Bethesda? Are you also the deranged OGR bike lane troll?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are no plans for bike lanes on Norfolk Avenue. The original plan was for a "shared street", where people walk, bike, and drive slowly on the same street. The question now is whether the Norfolk Avenue streetery should remain as is, or whether people should be allowed to drive on/through the streetery.
https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/12/12/montgomery-planning-department-reconsiders-norfolk-avenue-shared-street-project/

This is false.
https://www.montgomeryplanning.org/community/plan_areas/bethesda_chevy_chase/master_plans/woodmont_march2006/Woodmont%20Approved%20and%20Adopted%20PDF.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are no plans for bike lanes on Norfolk Avenue. The original plan was for a "shared street", where people walk, bike, and drive slowly on the same street. The question now is whether the Norfolk Avenue streetery should remain as is, or whether people should be allowed to drive on/through the streetery.
https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/12/12/montgomery-planning-department-reconsiders-norfolk-avenue-shared-street-project/

This is false.
https://www.montgomeryplanning.org/community/plan_areas/bethesda_chevy_chase/master_plans/woodmont_march2006/Woodmont%20Approved%20and%20Adopted%20PDF.pdf

That plan is from 2006. It has been superseded by multiple other plans, including the Bethesda downtown plan (2017) and the bicycle master plan (2018).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are no plans for bike lanes on Norfolk Avenue. The original plan was for a "shared street", where people walk, bike, and drive slowly on the same street. The question now is whether the Norfolk Avenue streetery should remain as is, or whether people should be allowed to drive on/through the streetery.
https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/12/12/montgomery-planning-department-reconsiders-norfolk-avenue-shared-street-project/

This is false.
https://www.montgomeryplanning.org/community/plan_areas/bethesda_chevy_chase/master_plans/woodmont_march2006/Woodmont%20Approved%20and%20Adopted%20PDF.pdf

That plan is from 2006. It has been superseded by multiple other plans, including the Bethesda downtown plan (2017) and the bicycle master plan (2018).

The “bicycle master plan” is not a real planning document. For example, it calls for adding residential density near regional parks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are no plans for bike lanes on Norfolk Avenue. The original plan was for a "shared street", where people walk, bike, and drive slowly on the same street. The question now is whether the Norfolk Avenue streetery should remain as is, or whether people should be allowed to drive on/through the streetery.
https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/12/12/montgomery-planning-department-reconsiders-norfolk-avenue-shared-street-project/

This is false.
https://www.montgomeryplanning.org/community/plan_areas/bethesda_chevy_chase/master_plans/woodmont_march2006/Woodmont%20Approved%20and%20Adopted%20PDF.pdf

That plan is from 2006. It has been superseded by multiple other plans, including the Bethesda downtown plan (2017) and the bicycle master plan (2018).

The PP stated that the “original plan” was a shared street. In fact, the “original plan” as you confirm was a bike lane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are no plans for bike lanes on Norfolk Avenue. The original plan was for a "shared street", where people walk, bike, and drive slowly on the same street. The question now is whether the Norfolk Avenue streetery should remain as is, or whether people should be allowed to drive on/through the streetery.
https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/12/12/montgomery-planning-department-reconsiders-norfolk-avenue-shared-street-project/

This is false.
https://www.montgomeryplanning.org/community/plan_areas/bethesda_chevy_chase/master_plans/woodmont_march2006/Woodmont%20Approved%20and%20Adopted%20PDF.pdf

That plan is from 2006. It has been superseded by multiple other plans, including the Bethesda downtown plan (2017) and the bicycle master plan (2018).

The “bicycle master plan” is not a real planning document. For example, it calls for adding residential density near regional parks.

Why is it a bad idea to add residential density near parks? Seems like a good place to add residences?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are no plans for bike lanes on Norfolk Avenue. The original plan was for a "shared street", where people walk, bike, and drive slowly on the same street. The question now is whether the Norfolk Avenue streetery should remain as is, or whether people should be allowed to drive on/through the streetery.
https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/12/12/montgomery-planning-department-reconsiders-norfolk-avenue-shared-street-project/

This is false.
https://www.montgomeryplanning.org/community/plan_areas/bethesda_chevy_chase/master_plans/woodmont_march2006/Woodmont%20Approved%20and%20Adopted%20PDF.pdf

That plan is from 2006. It has been superseded by multiple other plans, including the Bethesda downtown plan (2017) and the bicycle master plan (2018).

The “bicycle master plan” is not a real planning document. For example, it calls for adding residential density near regional parks.

The Bicycle Master Plan is as real a planning document as the Master Plan of Highways and Transitways. The County Council adopted it, M-NCPPC approved it. There will also be, at some point, a Pedestrian Master Plan, which when adopted/approved will also be a real planning document.

Congratulations on your Gish Gallop skills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are no plans for bike lanes on Norfolk Avenue. The original plan was for a "shared street", where people walk, bike, and drive slowly on the same street. The question now is whether the Norfolk Avenue streetery should remain as is, or whether people should be allowed to drive on/through the streetery.
https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/12/12/montgomery-planning-department-reconsiders-norfolk-avenue-shared-street-project/

This is false.
https://www.montgomeryplanning.org/community/plan_areas/bethesda_chevy_chase/master_plans/woodmont_march2006/Woodmont%20Approved%20and%20Adopted%20PDF.pdf

That plan is from 2006. It has been superseded by multiple other plans, including the Bethesda downtown plan (2017) and the bicycle master plan (2018).

The “bicycle master plan” is not a real planning document. For example, it calls for adding residential density near regional parks.

Why is it a bad idea to add residential density near parks? Seems like a good place to add residences?

Take a look at a map of regional parks. It contradicts plannings own “compact growth”.

It was an opportunity for Casey Anderson to allow his WABA friends fake power.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are no plans for bike lanes on Norfolk Avenue. The original plan was for a "shared street", where people walk, bike, and drive slowly on the same street. The question now is whether the Norfolk Avenue streetery should remain as is, or whether people should be allowed to drive on/through the streetery.
https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/12/12/montgomery-planning-department-reconsiders-norfolk-avenue-shared-street-project/

This is false.
https://www.montgomeryplanning.org/community/plan_areas/bethesda_chevy_chase/master_plans/woodmont_march2006/Woodmont%20Approved%20and%20Adopted%20PDF.pdf

That plan is from 2006. It has been superseded by multiple other plans, including the Bethesda downtown plan (2017) and the bicycle master plan (2018).

The “bicycle master plan” is not a real planning document. For example, it calls for adding residential density near regional parks.

The Bicycle Master Plan is as real a planning document as the Master Plan of Highways and Transitways. The County Council adopted it, M-NCPPC approved it. There will also be, at some point, a Pedestrian Master Plan, which when adopted/approved will also be a real planning document.

Congratulations on your Gish Gallop skills.

It’s as relevant as real of a planning document as the county’s Climate Action Plan is a real document. Meaning, it’s not real.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are no plans for bike lanes on Norfolk Avenue. The original plan was for a "shared street", where people walk, bike, and drive slowly on the same street. The question now is whether the Norfolk Avenue streetery should remain as is, or whether people should be allowed to drive on/through the streetery.
https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/12/12/montgomery-planning-department-reconsiders-norfolk-avenue-shared-street-project/

This is false.
https://www.montgomeryplanning.org/community/plan_areas/bethesda_chevy_chase/master_plans/woodmont_march2006/Woodmont%20Approved%20and%20Adopted%20PDF.pdf

That plan is from 2006. It has been superseded by multiple other plans, including the Bethesda downtown plan (2017) and the bicycle master plan (2018).

The “bicycle master plan” is not a real planning document. For example, it calls for adding residential density near regional parks.

The Bicycle Master Plan is as real a planning document as the Master Plan of Highways and Transitways. The County Council adopted it, M-NCPPC approved it. There will also be, at some point, a Pedestrian Master Plan, which when adopted/approved will also be a real planning document.

Congratulations on your Gish Gallop skills.

It’s as relevant as real of a planning document as the county’s Climate Action Plan is a real document. Meaning, it’s not real.

I think you don't understand how planning works in Montgomery County.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are no plans for bike lanes on Norfolk Avenue. The original plan was for a "shared street", where people walk, bike, and drive slowly on the same street. The question now is whether the Norfolk Avenue streetery should remain as is, or whether people should be allowed to drive on/through the streetery.
https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/12/12/montgomery-planning-department-reconsiders-norfolk-avenue-shared-street-project/

This is false.
https://www.montgomeryplanning.org/community/plan_areas/bethesda_chevy_chase/master_plans/woodmont_march2006/Woodmont%20Approved%20and%20Adopted%20PDF.pdf

That plan is from 2006. It has been superseded by multiple other plans, including the Bethesda downtown plan (2017) and the bicycle master plan (2018).

The “bicycle master plan” is not a real planning document. For example, it calls for adding residential density near regional parks.

The Bicycle Master Plan is as real a planning document as the Master Plan of Highways and Transitways. The County Council adopted it, M-NCPPC approved it. There will also be, at some point, a Pedestrian Master Plan, which when adopted/approved will also be a real planning document.

Congratulations on your Gish Gallop skills.

It’s as relevant as real of a planning document as the county’s Climate Action Plan is a real document. Meaning, it’s not real.

I think you don't understand how planning works in Montgomery County.

I understand exactly how it works. When they want to justify something they will point to the bicycle master plan and if they want to do something that contradicts it they will just ignore it.