Anonymous wrote:This is so clearly not a straight man and you will never convince me otherwise.
Several of us said this 100s of pages ago. These Hollywood arrangements are very common, whether people want to hear it or not. Diane Von Furstenberg’s husband just came out of the closet, and they’ve been together for 50 years (25 years dating on and off and 25 years married). He wrote an essay about it for NY mag a few weeks ago.
Ryan has kissed many men, not just Andrew. That’s not something straight men do. And Andrew for his part has said he’s attracted to women but is open to exploring. That’s not something straight men say. It’s an open secret it seems that Hugh, Ryan’s bff, has had affairs with his male assistant and male trainer. According to the blinds, Ryan likes women but will experiment if you get him drunk and they say he has hooked up with Hugh.
I don’t think anyone really cares about Ryan’s sexuality. Society is a lot more accepting now but some gay or bisexual male actors choose to stay in the closet so it doesn’t compromise their acting career. The fear for people like Hugh is that some fans may find it difficult to see them in masculine roles like Wolverine if they come out.
That’s all to say Blake and Ryan very likely have an open marriage and instead of acknowledging that possibility and examining the role that could’ve played in the JB drama, we’re playing respectability politics and pretending it’s impossible and offensive to even consider.
Barry Diller is the man, a billionaire entertainment mogul; Fox, Paramount, MGM, IAC. If y'all don't think these closeted entertainment executives carry on with closeted boy toy actors and that those boy toys don't get rewarded with A list careers I have a bridge to sell you.
lol. A dime a dozen middle aged mom who was Harvey’s girl. She isn’t gorgeous to anyone. The public finds her repulsive especially after this. L
I think she’s awful, but she is objectively extremely attractive and could have had a normal relationship, no?
Interesting language to use here. You trying to stoke to try to get this thread shut down?
^^ this was referring to the HW ‘girl’ reference btw. HW = disgraced Hollywood producer whose name I won’t write out. I think when things get really heated and uncomfortable, there’s an effort to throw in insults against Blake that Jeff will remove in an effort to get this thread in trouble and potentially shut down again. Let’s just ignore and keep the substantive convo going.
And if those HW posts are coming from an organic poster, please stop.
Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.
A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.
It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.
+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.
The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.
Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?
It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.
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Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”
Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”
We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.
My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.
The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.
You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.
There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.
Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.
You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.
We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?
Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.
I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.
If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.
DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.
Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.
PP again, and honestly her language and Reynolds’s is very Deadpool. Talk about something using sex metaphors to be funny, but that doesn’t mean they want to have sex with everything the at moves. They have both lived that movie’s humor for the last decade; Reynolds’s co-wrote it and Lively had some input, too. Some of you here haven’t seen Deadpool or don’t like that humor and that’s fine. But I like those movies and that’s part of why I’m not shocked by her language, but also don’t see it as a come on. Baldoni is Bahai and seems like the kind of conservative person who would actually misunderstand and get the wrong idea from this language.
I would never write to a mail co-worker and talk about intimacy "but never with teeth" because it is an inappropriate sexual innuendo. Are you suggesting that Baldoni should go along with Hee inappropriate sexual innuendo in honor of "Deadpool"?
No. What he’s not allowed to do in response to “never with teeth” used as a metaphor is to actually talk to her about his porn, or to tell her all normal women rip their clothes off during childbirth and then try to make her shoot a birth scene with bared breasts without notice.
See how there’s a difference between what she uses her language to say and what he uses his power to do?
Again misrepresenting the facts. None of that actually happened. Where are the receipts proving this scandalous take? Where are the witnesses? The only person so far who’s had witnesses come out and corroborate their take on the birthing scene is Justin. And as we covered over and over again, Blake initiated the porn conversation.
This is where I said her language can’t be used to justify his harassment. And one of you said she didn’t allege this harassment. And then I posted the language from her complaint backing these SH allegations, which I guess you hadn’t read or don’t believe. But she alleged them. You think her bawdy language means she is someone who should take his porn discussions and unannounced on screen nudity in stride. I disagree. That’s harassment. It’s not justified by her email language.
There was no unannounced nudity. She was allegedly asked to perform the birth scene without a nightgown, and refused. Her refusal, if in fact the request was actually made, was honored. That isn’t sexual harassment. And for the record, she wore briefs, a pregnancy suit and a hospital night gown that day, far from nude.
Actually, that can be sexual harassment. Pressuring an actress to appear nude in a scene where there is no nudity in the scrips can be SH. He wanted her to be topless! For birth scene in stirrups! She still did more nudity than she was comfortable with. Then he kept bothering her about it even after the scene was shot. I think that’s SH, especially in combo with the other stuff. That’s why she made the 17 point list. Her email language is no excuse for him as a director trying to get her topless in a birth scene, or trying to add sex scenes to the script where she would simulate climaxing on screen, or trying to get the actress who plays the underage Lily to simulate climaxing on screen, or Baldoni talking to Lively about how Baldoni and his wife climax simultaneously and do she and Reynolds do that, or telling the crew that Lively has never seen pron.
Lively’s email language did not invite, and neither did it excuse, that kind of harassing behavior from her director.
Stick to the point, it isn’t harassment to ask a person to remove a piece of clothing in a scene if their refusal is honored.
Lively supporter who has been reporting those posts for removal but may not have caught all of them. Would appreciate it if Baldoni supporter/s would stop going so low today.
I don’t have the time to post fake dumb comments insulting Lively and your suggestion that a Lively supporter would do this is ridiculous and offensive. You should recognize this Baldoni poster by now, they always go low.
Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.
A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.
It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.
+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.
The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.
Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?
It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.
DP
Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”
Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”
We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.
My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.
The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.
You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.
There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.
Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.
You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.
We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?
Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.
I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.
If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.
DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.
Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.
PP again, and honestly her language and Reynolds’s is very Deadpool. Talk about something using sex metaphors to be funny, but that doesn’t mean they want to have sex with everything the at moves. They have both lived that movie’s humor for the last decade; Reynolds’s co-wrote it and Lively had some input, too. Some of you here haven’t seen Deadpool or don’t like that humor and that’s fine. But I like those movies and that’s part of why I’m not shocked by her language, but also don’t see it as a come on. Baldoni is Bahai and seems like the kind of conservative person who would actually misunderstand and get the wrong idea from this language.
I would never write to a mail co-worker and talk about intimacy "but never with teeth" because it is an inappropriate sexual innuendo. Are you suggesting that Baldoni should go along with Hee inappropriate sexual innuendo in honor of "Deadpool"?
No. What he’s not allowed to do in response to “never with teeth” used as a metaphor is to actually talk to her about his porn, or to tell her all normal women rip their clothes off during childbirth and then try to make her shoot a birth scene with bared breasts without notice.
See how there’s a difference between what she uses her language to say and what he uses his power to do?
Again misrepresenting the facts. None of that actually happened. Where are the receipts proving this scandalous take? Where are the witnesses? The only person so far who’s had witnesses come out and corroborate their take on the birthing scene is Justin. And as we covered over and over again, Blake initiated the porn conversation.
This is where I said her language can’t be used to justify his harassment. And one of you said she didn’t allege this harassment. And then I posted the language from her complaint backing these SH allegations, which I guess you hadn’t read or don’t believe. But she alleged them. You think her bawdy language means she is someone who should take his porn discussions and unannounced on screen nudity in stride. I disagree. That’s harassment. It’s not justified by her email language.
There was no unannounced nudity. She was allegedly asked to perform the birth scene without a nightgown, and refused. Her refusal, if in fact the request was actually made, was honored. That isn’t sexual harassment. And for the record, she wore briefs, a pregnancy suit and a hospital night gown that day, far from nude.
Actually, that can be sexual harassment. Pressuring an actress to appear nude in a scene where there is no nudity in the scrips can be SH. He wanted her to be topless! For birth scene in stirrups! She still did more nudity than she was comfortable with. Then he kept bothering her about it even after the scene was shot. I think that’s SH, especially in combo with the other stuff. That’s why she made the 17 point list. Her email language is no excuse for him as a director trying to get her topless in a birth scene, or trying to add sex scenes to the script where she would simulate climaxing on screen, or trying to get the actress who plays the underage Lily to simulate climaxing on screen, or Baldoni talking to Lively about how Baldoni and his wife climax simultaneously and do she and Reynolds do that, or telling the crew that Lively has never seen pron.
Lively’s email language did not invite, and neither did it excuse, that kind of harassing behavior from her director.
Stick to the point, it isn’t harassment to ask a person to remove a piece of clothing in a scene if their refusal is honored.
The behavior I noted above, taken as a whole, is certainly harassment imo and could be taken as such by a jury. It’s not just one incident. It’s his pattern of behavior.
Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.
A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.
It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.
+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.
The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.
Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?
It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.
DP
Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”
Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”
We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.
My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.
The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.
You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.
There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.
Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.
You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.
We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?
Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.
I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.
If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.
DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.
Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.
PP again, and honestly her language and Reynolds’s is very Deadpool. Talk about something using sex metaphors to be funny, but that doesn’t mean they want to have sex with everything the at moves. They have both lived that movie’s humor for the last decade; Reynolds’s co-wrote it and Lively had some input, too. Some of you here haven’t seen Deadpool or don’t like that humor and that’s fine. But I like those movies and that’s part of why I’m not shocked by her language, but also don’t see it as a come on. Baldoni is Bahai and seems like the kind of conservative person who would actually misunderstand and get the wrong idea from this language.
I would never write to a mail co-worker and talk about intimacy "but never with teeth" because it is an inappropriate sexual innuendo. Are you suggesting that Baldoni should go along with Hee inappropriate sexual innuendo in honor of "Deadpool"?
No. What he’s not allowed to do in response to “never with teeth” used as a metaphor is to actually talk to her about his porn, or to tell her all normal women rip their clothes off during childbirth and then try to make her shoot a birth scene with bared breasts without notice.
See how there’s a difference between what she uses her language to say and what he uses his power to do?
Again misrepresenting the facts. None of that actually happened. Where are the receipts proving this scandalous take? Where are the witnesses? The only person so far who’s had witnesses come out and corroborate their take on the birthing scene is Justin. And as we covered over and over again, Blake initiated the porn conversation.
This is where I said her language can’t be used to justify his harassment. And one of you said she didn’t allege this harassment. And then I posted the language from her complaint backing these SH allegations, which I guess you hadn’t read or don’t believe. But she alleged them. You think her bawdy language means she is someone who should take his porn discussions and unannounced on screen nudity in stride. I disagree. That’s harassment. It’s not justified by her email language.
There was no unannounced nudity. She was allegedly asked to perform the birth scene without a nightgown, and refused. Her refusal, if in fact the request was actually made, was honored. That isn’t sexual harassment. And for the record, she wore briefs, a pregnancy suit and a hospital night gown that day, far from nude.
Actually, that can be sexual harassment. Pressuring an actress to appear nude in a scene where there is no nudity in the scrips can be SH. He wanted her to be topless! For birth scene in stirrups! She still did more nudity than she was comfortable with. Then he kept bothering her about it even after the scene was shot. I think that’s SH, especially in combo with the other stuff. That’s why she made the 17 point list. Her email language is no excuse for him as a director trying to get her topless in a birth scene, or trying to add sex scenes to the script where she would simulate climaxing on screen, or trying to get the actress who plays the underage Lily to simulate climaxing on screen, or Baldoni talking to Lively about how Baldoni and his wife climax simultaneously and do she and Reynolds do that, or telling the crew that Lively has never seen pron.
Lively’s email language did not invite, and neither did it excuse, that kind of harassing behavior from her director.
Stick to the point, it isn’t harassment to ask a person to remove a piece of clothing in a scene if their refusal is honored.
The behavior I noted above, taken as a whole, is certainly harassment imo and could be taken as such by a jury. It’s not just one incident. It’s his pattern of behavior.
What about her "pattern" of uninvited sexy and flirtatious emails?
Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.
A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.
It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.
+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.
The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.
Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?
It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.
DP
Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”
Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”
We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.
My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.
The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.
You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.
There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.
Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.
You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.
We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?
Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.
I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.
If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.
DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.
Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.
PP again, and honestly her language and Reynolds’s is very Deadpool. Talk about something using sex metaphors to be funny, but that doesn’t mean they want to have sex with everything the at moves. They have both lived that movie’s humor for the last decade; Reynolds’s co-wrote it and Lively had some input, too. Some of you here haven’t seen Deadpool or don’t like that humor and that’s fine. But I like those movies and that’s part of why I’m not shocked by her language, but also don’t see it as a come on. Baldoni is Bahai and seems like the kind of conservative person who would actually misunderstand and get the wrong idea from this language.
I would never write to a mail co-worker and talk about intimacy "but never with teeth" because it is an inappropriate sexual innuendo. Are you suggesting that Baldoni should go along with Hee inappropriate sexual innuendo in honor of "Deadpool"?
No. What he’s not allowed to do in response to “never with teeth” used as a metaphor is to actually talk to her about his porn, or to tell her all normal women rip their clothes off during childbirth and then try to make her shoot a birth scene with bared breasts without notice.
See how there’s a difference between what she uses her language to say and what he uses his power to do?
Again misrepresenting the facts. None of that actually happened. Where are the receipts proving this scandalous take? Where are the witnesses? The only person so far who’s had witnesses come out and corroborate their take on the birthing scene is Justin. And as we covered over and over again, Blake initiated the porn conversation.
This is where I said her language can’t be used to justify his harassment. And one of you said she didn’t allege this harassment. And then I posted the language from her complaint backing these SH allegations, which I guess you hadn’t read or don’t believe. But she alleged them. You think her bawdy language means she is someone who should take his porn discussions and unannounced on screen nudity in stride. I disagree. That’s harassment. It’s not justified by her email language.
There was no unannounced nudity. She was allegedly asked to perform the birth scene without a nightgown, and refused. Her refusal, if in fact the request was actually made, was honored. That isn’t sexual harassment. And for the record, she wore briefs, a pregnancy suit and a hospital night gown that day, far from nude.
Actually, that can be sexual harassment. Pressuring an actress to appear nude in a scene where there is no nudity in the scrips can be SH. He wanted her to be topless! For birth scene in stirrups! She still did more nudity than she was comfortable with. Then he kept bothering her about it even after the scene was shot. I think that’s SH, especially in combo with the other stuff. That’s why she made the 17 point list. Her email language is no excuse for him as a director trying to get her topless in a birth scene, or trying to add sex scenes to the script where she would simulate climaxing on screen, or trying to get the actress who plays the underage Lily to simulate climaxing on screen, or Baldoni talking to Lively about how Baldoni and his wife climax simultaneously and do she and Reynolds do that, or telling the crew that Lively has never seen pron.
Lively’s email language did not invite, and neither did it excuse, that kind of harassing behavior from her director.
Stick to the point, it isn’t harassment to ask a person to remove a piece of clothing in a scene if their refusal is honored.
The behavior I noted above, taken as a whole, is certainly harassment imo and could be taken as such by a jury. It’s not just one incident. It’s his pattern of behavior.
What about her "pattern" of uninvited sexy and flirtatious emails?
Or the footage of her pulling him in aggressively for a kiss?
Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.
A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.
It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.
+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.
The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.
Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?
It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.
DP
Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”
Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”
We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.
My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.
The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.
You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.
There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.
Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.
You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.
We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?
Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.
I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.
If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.
DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.
Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.
PP again, and honestly her language and Reynolds’s is very Deadpool. Talk about something using sex metaphors to be funny, but that doesn’t mean they want to have sex with everything the at moves. They have both lived that movie’s humor for the last decade; Reynolds’s co-wrote it and Lively had some input, too. Some of you here haven’t seen Deadpool or don’t like that humor and that’s fine. But I like those movies and that’s part of why I’m not shocked by her language, but also don’t see it as a come on. Baldoni is Bahai and seems like the kind of conservative person who would actually misunderstand and get the wrong idea from this language.
I would never write to a mail co-worker and talk about intimacy "but never with teeth" because it is an inappropriate sexual innuendo. Are you suggesting that Baldoni should go along with Hee inappropriate sexual innuendo in honor of "Deadpool"?
No. What he’s not allowed to do in response to “never with teeth” used as a metaphor is to actually talk to her about his porn, or to tell her all normal women rip their clothes off during childbirth and then try to make her shoot a birth scene with bared breasts without notice.
See how there’s a difference between what she uses her language to say and what he uses his power to do?
Again misrepresenting the facts. None of that actually happened. Where are the receipts proving this scandalous take? Where are the witnesses? The only person so far who’s had witnesses come out and corroborate their take on the birthing scene is Justin. And as we covered over and over again, Blake initiated the porn conversation.
This is where I said her language can’t be used to justify his harassment. And one of you said she didn’t allege this harassment. And then I posted the language from her complaint backing these SH allegations, which I guess you hadn’t read or don’t believe. But she alleged them. You think her bawdy language means she is someone who should take his porn discussions and unannounced on screen nudity in stride. I disagree. That’s harassment. It’s not justified by her email language.
There was no unannounced nudity. She was allegedly asked to perform the birth scene without a nightgown, and refused. Her refusal, if in fact the request was actually made, was honored. That isn’t sexual harassment. And for the record, she wore briefs, a pregnancy suit and a hospital night gown that day, far from nude.
Actually, that can be sexual harassment. Pressuring an actress to appear nude in a scene where there is no nudity in the scrips can be SH. He wanted her to be topless! For birth scene in stirrups! She still did more nudity than she was comfortable with. Then he kept bothering her about it even after the scene was shot. I think that’s SH, especially in combo with the other stuff. That’s why she made the 17 point list. Her email language is no excuse for him as a director trying to get her topless in a birth scene, or trying to add sex scenes to the script where she would simulate climaxing on screen, or trying to get the actress who plays the underage Lily to simulate climaxing on screen, or Baldoni talking to Lively about how Baldoni and his wife climax simultaneously and do she and Reynolds do that, or telling the crew that Lively has never seen pron.
Lively’s email language did not invite, and neither did it excuse, that kind of harassing behavior from her director.
Stick to the point, it isn’t harassment to ask a person to remove a piece of clothing in a scene if their refusal is honored.
The behavior I noted above, taken as a whole, is certainly harassment imo and could be taken as such by a jury. It’s not just one incident. It’s his pattern of behavior.
What about her "pattern" of uninvited sexy and flirtatious emails?
Or the footage of her pulling him in aggressively for a kiss?
Or calling meetings at her private residence. Or calling meetings in her trailer when she’s not fully clothed. Or sucking on his lip. Or her husband screaming at him.
Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.
A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.
It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.
+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.
The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.
Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?
It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.
DP
Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”
Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”
We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.
My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.
The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.
You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.
There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.
Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.
You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.
We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?
Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.
I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.
If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.
DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.
Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.
PP again, and honestly her language and Reynolds’s is very Deadpool. Talk about something using sex metaphors to be funny, but that doesn’t mean they want to have sex with everything the at moves. They have both lived that movie’s humor for the last decade; Reynolds’s co-wrote it and Lively had some input, too. Some of you here haven’t seen Deadpool or don’t like that humor and that’s fine. But I like those movies and that’s part of why I’m not shocked by her language, but also don’t see it as a come on. Baldoni is Bahai and seems like the kind of conservative person who would actually misunderstand and get the wrong idea from this language.
I would never write to a mail co-worker and talk about intimacy "but never with teeth" because it is an inappropriate sexual innuendo. Are you suggesting that Baldoni should go along with Hee inappropriate sexual innuendo in honor of "Deadpool"?
No. What he’s not allowed to do in response to “never with teeth” used as a metaphor is to actually talk to her about his porn, or to tell her all normal women rip their clothes off during childbirth and then try to make her shoot a birth scene with bared breasts without notice.
See how there’s a difference between what she uses her language to say and what he uses his power to do?
Again misrepresenting the facts. None of that actually happened. Where are the receipts proving this scandalous take? Where are the witnesses? The only person so far who’s had witnesses come out and corroborate their take on the birthing scene is Justin. And as we covered over and over again, Blake initiated the porn conversation.
This is where I said her language can’t be used to justify his harassment. And one of you said she didn’t allege this harassment. And then I posted the language from her complaint backing these SH allegations, which I guess you hadn’t read or don’t believe. But she alleged them. You think her bawdy language means she is someone who should take his porn discussions and unannounced on screen nudity in stride. I disagree. That’s harassment. It’s not justified by her email language.
There was no unannounced nudity. She was allegedly asked to perform the birth scene without a nightgown, and refused. Her refusal, if in fact the request was actually made, was honored. That isn’t sexual harassment. And for the record, she wore briefs, a pregnancy suit and a hospital night gown that day, far from nude.
Actually, that can be sexual harassment. Pressuring an actress to appear nude in a scene where there is no nudity in the scrips can be SH. He wanted her to be topless! For birth scene in stirrups! She still did more nudity than she was comfortable with. Then he kept bothering her about it even after the scene was shot. I think that’s SH, especially in combo with the other stuff. That’s why she made the 17 point list. Her email language is no excuse for him as a director trying to get her topless in a birth scene, or trying to add sex scenes to the script where she would simulate climaxing on screen, or trying to get the actress who plays the underage Lily to simulate climaxing on screen, or Baldoni talking to Lively about how Baldoni and his wife climax simultaneously and do she and Reynolds do that, or telling the crew that Lively has never seen pron.
Lively’s email language did not invite, and neither did it excuse, that kind of harassing behavior from her director.
Stick to the point, it isn’t harassment to ask a person to remove a piece of clothing in a scene if their refusal is honored.
The behavior I noted above, taken as a whole, is certainly harassment imo and could be taken as such by a jury. It’s not just one incident. It’s his pattern of behavior.
Not when each one is put into context. This was a romance with sex scenes. There was an intimacy coordinator helping script such scenes. There was going to be conversations of sexual nature, and Blake has repeatedly demonstrated in her own emails, texts, and tv appearances that she is comfortable affirmatively inserting comments of a sexual nature into her conversations.
Remember that George Mason School of Law professor, Joshua Wright, who said he couldn’t have SH his students because they benefitted from his SH with jobs? He sued his victims for defamation for $108 million, since dropped. Similar to the Johnny Depp playbook. This is just a thing now.
Anonymous wrote:This is so clearly not a straight man and you will never convince me otherwise.
Several of us said this 100s of pages ago. These Hollywood arrangements are very common, whether people want to hear it or not. Diane Von Furstenberg’s husband just came out of the closet, and they’ve been together for 50 years (25 years dating on and off and 25 years married). He wrote an essay about it for NY mag a few weeks ago.
Ryan has kissed many men, not just Andrew. That’s not something straight men do. And Andrew for his part has said he’s attracted to women but is open to exploring. That’s not something straight men say. It’s an open secret it seems that Hugh, Ryan’s bff, has had affairs with his male assistant and male trainer. According to the blinds, Ryan likes women but will experiment if you get him drunk and they say he has hooked up with Hugh.
I don’t think anyone really cares about Ryan’s sexuality. Society is a lot more accepting now but some gay or bisexual male actors choose to stay in the closet so it doesn’t compromise their acting career. The fear for people like Hugh is that some fans may find it difficult to see them in masculine roles like Wolverine if they come out.
That’s all to say Blake and Ryan very likely have an open marriage and instead of acknowledging that possibility and examining the role that could’ve played in the JB drama, we’re playing respectability politics and pretending it’s impossible and offensive to even consider.
Barry Diller is the man, a billionaire entertainment mogul; Fox, Paramount, MGM, IAC. If y'all don't think these closeted entertainment executives carry on with closeted boy toy actors and that those boy toys don't get rewarded with A list careers I have a bridge to sell you.
Anonymous wrote:Lively supporter who has been reporting those posts for removal but may not have caught all of them. Would appreciate it if Baldoni supporter/s would stop going so low today.
I don’t have the time to post fake dumb comments insulting Lively and your suggestion that a Lively supporter would do this is ridiculous and offensive. You should recognize this Baldoni poster by now, they always go low.
I don’t believe you. Just as I don’t believe you are just a random parent from Arlington.
And I’ll let you know that there are tells from your/your partners posts. But you know that already I’m sure
Remember that George Mason School of Law professor, Joshua Wright, who said he couldn’t have SH his students because they benefitted from his SH with jobs? He sued his victims for defamation for $108 million, since dropped. Similar to the Johnny Depp playbook. This is just a thing now.
But it’s not a thing here. Mental illness is real but not every murderer who tries to use it to get out of a murder rap is truly mentally ill.
Anonymous wrote:This is so clearly not a straight man and you will never convince me otherwise.
Several of us said this 100s of pages ago. These Hollywood arrangements are very common, whether people want to hear it or not. Diane Von Furstenberg’s husband just came out of the closet, and they’ve been together for 50 years (25 years dating on and off and 25 years married). He wrote an essay about it for NY mag a few weeks ago.
Ryan has kissed many men, not just Andrew. That’s not something straight men do. And Andrew for his part has said he’s attracted to women but is open to exploring. That’s not something straight men say. It’s an open secret it seems that Hugh, Ryan’s bff, has had affairs with his male assistant and male trainer. According to the blinds, Ryan likes women but will experiment if you get him drunk and they say he has hooked up with Hugh.
I don’t think anyone really cares about Ryan’s sexuality. Society is a lot more accepting now but some gay or bisexual male actors choose to stay in the closet so it doesn’t compromise their acting career. The fear for people like Hugh is that some fans may find it difficult to see them in masculine roles like Wolverine if they come out.
That’s all to say Blake and Ryan very likely have an open marriage and instead of acknowledging that possibility and examining the role that could’ve played in the JB drama, we’re playing respectability politics and pretending it’s impossible and offensive to even consider.
Barry Diller is the man, a billionaire entertainment mogul; Fox, Paramount, MGM, IAC. If y'all don't think these closeted entertainment executives carry on with closeted boy toy actors and that those boy toys don't get rewarded with A list careers I have a bridge to sell you.
Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.
A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.
It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.
+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.
The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.
Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?
It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.
DP
Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”
Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”
We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.
My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.
The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.
You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.
There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.
Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.
You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.
We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?
Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.
I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.
If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.
DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.
Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.
PP again, and honestly her language and Reynolds’s is very Deadpool. Talk about something using sex metaphors to be funny, but that doesn’t mean they want to have sex with everything the at moves. They have both lived that movie’s humor for the last decade; Reynolds’s co-wrote it and Lively had some input, too. Some of you here haven’t seen Deadpool or don’t like that humor and that’s fine. But I like those movies and that’s part of why I’m not shocked by her language, but also don’t see it as a come on. Baldoni is Bahai and seems like the kind of conservative person who would actually misunderstand and get the wrong idea from this language.
I would never write to a mail co-worker and talk about intimacy "but never with teeth" because it is an inappropriate sexual innuendo. Are you suggesting that Baldoni should go along with Hee inappropriate sexual innuendo in honor of "Deadpool"?
No. What he’s not allowed to do in response to “never with teeth” used as a metaphor is to actually talk to her about his porn, or to tell her all normal women rip their clothes off during childbirth and then try to make her shoot a birth scene with bared breasts without notice.
See how there’s a difference between what she uses her language to say and what he uses his power to do?
Again misrepresenting the facts. None of that actually happened. Where are the receipts proving this scandalous take? Where are the witnesses? The only person so far who’s had witnesses come out and corroborate their take on the birthing scene is Justin. And as we covered over and over again, Blake initiated the porn conversation.
This is where I said her language can’t be used to justify his harassment. And one of you said she didn’t allege this harassment. And then I posted the language from her complaint backing these SH allegations, which I guess you hadn’t read or don’t believe. But she alleged them. You think her bawdy language means she is someone who should take his porn discussions and unannounced on screen nudity in stride. I disagree. That’s harassment. It’s not justified by her email language.
There was no unannounced nudity. She was allegedly asked to perform the birth scene without a nightgown, and refused. Her refusal, if in fact the request was actually made, was honored. That isn’t sexual harassment. And for the record, she wore briefs, a pregnancy suit and a hospital night gown that day, far from nude.
Actually, that can be sexual harassment. Pressuring an actress to appear nude in a scene where there is no nudity in the scrips can be SH. He wanted her to be topless! For birth scene in stirrups! She still did more nudity than she was comfortable with. Then he kept bothering her about it even after the scene was shot. I think that’s SH, especially in combo with the other stuff. That’s why she made the 17 point list. Her email language is no excuse for him as a director trying to get her topless in a birth scene, or trying to add sex scenes to the script where she would simulate climaxing on screen, or trying to get the actress who plays the underage Lily to simulate climaxing on screen, or Baldoni talking to Lively about how Baldoni and his wife climax simultaneously and do she and Reynolds do that, or telling the crew that Lively has never seen pron.
Lively’s email language did not invite, and neither did it excuse, that kind of harassing behavior from her director.
Stick to the point, it isn’t harassment to ask a person to remove a piece of clothing in a scene if their refusal is honored.
The behavior I noted above, taken as a whole, is certainly harassment imo and could be taken as such by a jury. It’s not just one incident. It’s his pattern of behavior.
Nope. You are reaching again. Intentionally to feed the flames. Please stop. You’ve said this every 25 pages or so.
Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.
A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.
It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.
+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.
The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.
Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?
It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.
DP
Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”
Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”
We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.
My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.
The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.
You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.
There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.
Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.
You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.
We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?
Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.
I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.
If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.
DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.
Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.
Baloney. And you know it.
If any married woman said this to a co-worker, let alone our supervisor, our husbands would correctly call us out for flirting with that co-worker.
Moreover, if we shared with any of our girlfriends or co-workers that we had said this, they would also support the same line of thought.
Ask any stranger. Most would assume the same.
Blake stoked flirtatious behavior and Baldoni read it from a mile away. So does everyone else but you, who happens to be a Lively supporter.
No one here is that dumb. And no jurors would be that dumb either.
Dp. No one is that dumb, agree. Blake is the one who used flirty language and invited people in to see her. Baldoni repeatedly tried to deflect and placate her.
These two posters are hilarious. It’s every day with the long winded multi paragraph analyses of legal minutiae (somewhat mentioned it’s an attempt to rig SEO), twisting of facts, and then the ‘well, I just see it differently’ and then of course the partner who chimes quickly with ‘oh yes, good point’ or ‘I agree!’
It’s all very obvious. As were the initial desperate efforts to get the entire thread shut down.
“omg people are using their words to disagree with my lousy opinions and I can’t deal with it” followed soon after by conspiracies re how they must be paid bots etc for the 300th time in this thread. Nope, I just disagree with you and find most of your opinions, which blame women for their own sexual harassment, distasteful.
I wonder if any of your minds will change if Lively does show evidence that Baldoni paid for a smear and that much of the negative online commentary about Lively that started in August was bought and paid for by Baldoni and Wayfarer. I suspect you will just say she deserved it, even though this would show that he lied about the smear, and that he really did want her to be buried like Hailey Bieber in the example he gave.
I don’t think you’re a bot. I think you’re a real person. And I don’t blame women for SH. But I do blame people who shamelessly lie and manipulate.
You are saying that a woman who used bawdy language in texts or emails was expecting come ons and inappropriate work behavior and invited same. You are blaming Lively for everything Baldoni did to her. I think that’s wrong. I strongly disagree with you.
DP. Please explain. You’re saying it’s okay for a woman to use bawdy and sexually charged language in her communications with co workers? Wouldn’t that be SH according to the view point you’ve taken?
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