AAP in pool for school with local level IV

[Anonymous]

My school has local IV, and most kids stay in the school for AAP. If the “in pool” is determined from top 10% of test scores—1/3 of whom are ultimately rejected—how do they fill out the class?

[Anonymous]

GBRS, work samples, parent referral.

[Anonymous]

Are there kids who scored in the top 10 or 5 percent of their class who are nonetheless rejected from local IVs? I can understand the need to be rigorous when filling up the center schools, but a local level 4 AAP class is just 1/4 of the grade, right?

[Anonymous]

10% of the kids will be in-pool, but anyone else can parent refer. There are a lot more parent referrals than there are in pool kids, and around half of the kids who are parent referred will also be admitted to AAP.

If there aren't enough kids admitted to AAP to fill out a class, then the principal will place other bright, high achieving kids into either the LLIV classroom full time or for subjects of strength.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are there kids who scored in the top 10 or 5 percent of their class who are nonetheless rejected from local IVs? I can understand the need to be rigorous when filling up the center schools, but a local level 4 AAP class is just 1/4 of the grade, right?

In which case, why wouldn’t ALL the in-pool kids get accepted for local? If grade size is 100, class could fit the top 10% plus 15 more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are there kids who scored in the top 10 or 5 percent of their class who are nonetheless rejected from local IVs? I can understand the need to be rigorous when filling up the center schools, but a local level 4 AAP class is just 1/4 of the grade, right?

Kids aren't rejected from local level IVs per se. In pool kids may be rejected by the AAP selection committee, but they can still be principal placed into the LLIV classroom for full time AAP instruction. If a kid is in pool, has a decent GBRS, and is considered advanced in math and language arts, but the kid gets rejected for AAP, that kid will almost certainly be principal placed.

[Anonymous]

Depends on the school. Not all schools with local level IV have a separate level IV class. Those that do generally make up excess space with level III students, looking at things like test scores (CogAT, iReady, NNAT) and teacher recommendations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are there kids who scored in the top 10 or 5 percent of their class who are nonetheless rejected from local IVs? I can understand the need to be rigorous when filling up the center schools, but a local level 4 AAP class is just 1/4 of the grade, right?

In which case, why wouldn’t ALL the in-pool kids get accepted for local? If grade size is 100, class could fit the top 10% plus 15 more.

It's not that simple. The central office selects kids for AAP. This gives those kids LIV status that is permanent through 8th grade even if the kid performs poorly, and gives the kids the right to attend the center, if they should so choose. Many other kids are principal placed in the LLIV classroom, but they won't have the AAP LIV status. This means that they are not eligible to attend the center, their placement is fluid, and they can be removed from the LLIV classroom if they are struggling or if there isn't enough space to place them. Some kids may be placed in the LLIV for 3rd and 4th, but then not be placed for 5th and 6th.

In your example, in-pool is purely based on test scores. It's quite possible that a kid with high test scores who is not advanced and is not demonstrating any gifted traits to their teachers would not be principal placed in the LLIV. There is no point in principal placing a child in AAP if the child is not sufficiently advanced enough in math and language arts to be successful with the curriculum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are there kids who scored in the top 10 or 5 percent of their class who are nonetheless rejected from local IVs? I can understand the need to be rigorous when filling up the center schools, but a local level 4 AAP class is just 1/4 of the grade, right?

In which case, why wouldn’t ALL the in-pool kids get accepted for local? If grade size is 100, class could fit the top 10% plus 15 more.

Because one test score could be a fluke, the kid guesses well. All it takes to be in-pool is one component of the CogAT and the NNAT being in the in-pool range.

And because test scores are one piece of the picture. A kid might crush the tests and not be curious or interested in learning. They do the required work, or maybe not even that, and could care less. Most Teachers have extra activities for kids to do when they complete their work, some of those are less thoughtful then others but there are things to do when you finish your work. A kid who is doing the minimum and not wanting to move on to free reading time or math sheets that are more challenging or fun or write a story on their own is not a kid who is going to do well in a program that requires some internal motivation and curiosity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My school has local IV, and most kids stay in the school for AAP. If the “in pool” is determined from top 10% of test scores—1/3 of whom are ultimately rejected—how do they fill out the class?

Depends what model your LLIV uses, which I believe is all just principal choice. Ours follows the “cluster model” so the small # of kids found eligible for LIV that stay local are in a class filled out with just any other kids in the grade.

[Anonymous]

I want to refer kid to level III if they don’t make it it Level 4. Is NNAT 132 CoGat VQN 141 high enough for either?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I want to refer kid to level III if they don’t make it it Level 4. Is NNAT 132 CoGat VQN 141 high enough for either?

Kids who have been in-pool or parent referred for LIV are normally considered for Advanced Math and LIII without needing a parent referral. The AART at our school says that part of the conversation at the end of the year and before the start of the new school year is to identify what kids should be receiving LII, LIII, and Advanced Math services. They look at all kids. I am sure some of that is being able to easily set aside kids who do not fit the criteria and the ones who clearly do with more conversation for the kids who are borderline.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I want to refer kid to level III if they don’t make it it Level 4. Is NNAT 132 CoGat VQN 141 high enough for either?

Those scores could be high enough for level IV if the GBRS and work samples are also strong. It also depends on the individual CogAT scores. If your child scored very high on quant & non-verbal but low on verbal, they could be placed in advanced math rather than level IV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My school has local IV, and most kids stay in the school for AAP. If the “in pool” is determined from top 10% of test scores—1/3 of whom are ultimately rejected—how do they fill out the class?

Depends what model your LLIV uses, which I believe is all just principal choice. Ours follows the “cluster model” so the small # of kids found eligible for LIV that stay local are in a class filled out with just any other kids in the grade.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want to refer kid to level III if they don’t make it it Level 4. Is NNAT 132 CoGat VQN 141 high enough for either?

Those scores could be high enough for level IV if the GBRS and work samples are also strong. It also depends on the individual CogAT scores. If your child scored very high on quant & non-verbal but low on verbal, they could be placed in advanced math rather than level IV.

High verbal, high math, lower NV.