MCAP Science for 8th Graders -- Did 65% of MD Students Fail?

[Anonymous]

0% exceeded expectation for 8th graders? I am thinking this is rounded down. Else they are saying no 8th grader last year received Exceeded Expectations?

18% Level 1 (Partially Met Expectations)
47% Level 2 (Approached Expectations)
35% Level 3 (Met Expectations)
0% Level 4 (Exceeded Expectations)

[Anonymous]

What data or report are you looking at?

https://www.marylandpublicschools.org/stateboard/Documents/2022/0823/StandardSettingProgressOverviewStateAssessmentsTimelineUpdateSpring2022ResultsV2.pdf is a report from this summer about status of transition rom PARCC to MCAP and it say that standard setting is still ongoing for science (MISA) and social studies, and will utilize 2022-23 school year data.

Also, consider that 8th graders last spring started middle school in 6th grade with a normal 2.5 quarters, asynchronous end of 6th, virtual 7th, and then a return to a weird in-person 8th grade, at the end of which they are tested on 3 years worth of middle school science. I wouldn’t expect any kid to actually be exceeding expectations under those circumstances (but I don’t think they had a benchmark set).

[Anonymous]

Data of the report sent to my child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What data or report are you looking at?

https://www.marylandpublicschools.org/stateboard/Documents/2022/0823/StandardSettingProgressOverviewStateAssessmentsTimelineUpdateSpring2022ResultsV2.pdf is a report from this summer about status of transition rom PARCC to MCAP and it say that standard setting is still ongoing for science (MISA) and social studies, and will utilize 2022-23 school year data.

Also, consider that 8th graders last spring started middle school in 6th grade with a normal 2.5 quarters, asynchronous end of 6th, virtual 7th, and then a return to a weird in-person 8th grade, at the end of which they are tested on 3 years worth of middle school science. I wouldn’t expect any kid to actually be exceeding expectations under those circumstances (but I don’t think they had a benchmark set).

Sounds like the report that gets sent home. We got one of these last year for Algebra and the results were also pretty abysmal. Doubt we’ll hear much about this from MCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What data or report are you looking at?

https://www.marylandpublicschools.org/stateboard/Documents/2022/0823/StandardSettingProgressOverviewStateAssessmentsTimelineUpdateSpring2022ResultsV2.pdf is a report from this summer about status of transition rom PARCC to MCAP and it say that standard setting is still ongoing for science (MISA) and social studies, and will utilize 2022-23 school year data.

Also, consider that 8th graders last spring started middle school in 6th grade with a normal 2.5 quarters, asynchronous end of 6th, virtual 7th, and then a return to a weird in-person 8th grade, at the end of which they are tested on 3 years worth of middle school science. I wouldn’t expect any kid to actually be exceeding expectations under those circumstances (but I don’t think they had a benchmark set).

Sounds like the report that gets sent home. We got one of these last year for Algebra and the results were also pretty abysmal. Doubt we’ll hear much about this from MCPS.

Wait, what? No ‘all the schools are great’: the curriculum is working: MCPS is a top school district. Or my favorite when abysmal results come out at the state level for Maryland: but that’s Baltimore or those results don’t include MCPS. Ah, but they do - and you get to pay 3 billion a year for these results. The majority of children are being denied their right to an education (many of them Special Education children) in this district. Utter disgrace.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What data or report are you looking at?

https://www.marylandpublicschools.org/stateboard/Documents/2022/0823/StandardSettingProgressOverviewStateAssessmentsTimelineUpdateSpring2022ResultsV2.pdf is a report from this summer about status of transition rom PARCC to MCAP and it say that standard setting is still ongoing for science (MISA) and social studies, and will utilize 2022-23 school year data.

Also, consider that 8th graders last spring started middle school in 6th grade with a normal 2.5 quarters, asynchronous end of 6th, virtual 7th, and then a return to a weird in-person 8th grade, at the end of which they are tested on 3 years worth of middle school science. I wouldn’t expect any kid to actually be exceeding expectations under those circumstances (but I don’t think they had a benchmark set).

I received the same report yesterday. My child didn’t do well (low level 3) on the test but apparently still did better than the majority of MCPS kids and that’s abysmal. But I have to agree that being sent home in the middle of sixth grade with having seventh and eighth either virtual or hybrid was majorly impactful, not only for my own child but for the whole county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What data or report are you looking at?

https://www.marylandpublicschools.org/stateboard/Documents/2022/0823/StandardSettingProgressOverviewStateAssessmentsTimelineUpdateSpring2022ResultsV2.pdf is a report from this summer about status of transition rom PARCC to MCAP and it say that standard setting is still ongoing for science (MISA) and social studies, and will utilize 2022-23 school year data.

Also, consider that 8th graders last spring started middle school in 6th grade with a normal 2.5 quarters, asynchronous end of 6th, virtual 7th, and then a return to a weird in-person 8th grade, at the end of which they are tested on 3 years worth of middle school science. I wouldn’t expect any kid to actually be exceeding expectations under those circumstances (but I don’t think they had a benchmark set).

I received the same report yesterday. My child didn’t do well (low level 3) on the test but apparently still did better than the majority of MCPS kids and that’s abysmal. But I have to agree that being sent home in the middle of sixth grade with having seventh and eighth either virtual or hybrid was majorly impactful, not only for my own child but for the whole county.

Of course it was! Plenty of us felt that schools were closed much longer than they needed to be. The Algebra results were horrible last year. Our kids were definitely negatively impacted by the school closures and I don’t see enough acknowledgment of that by the BOE and MCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:0% exceeded expectation for 8th graders? I am thinking this is rounded down. Else they are saying no 8th grader last year received Exceeded Expectations?

18% Level 1 (Partially Met Expectations)
47% Level 2 (Approached Expectations)
35% Level 3 (Met Expectations)
0% Level 4 (Exceeded Expectations)

This is that new test they started giving during the pandemic without properly vetting it. Really wish they'd stick with proven national tests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What data or report are you looking at?

https://www.marylandpublicschools.org/stateboard/Documents/2022/0823/StandardSettingProgressOverviewStateAssessmentsTimelineUpdateSpring2022ResultsV2.pdf is a report from this summer about status of transition rom PARCC to MCAP and it say that standard setting is still ongoing for science (MISA) and social studies, and will utilize 2022-23 school year data.

Also, consider that 8th graders last spring started middle school in 6th grade with a normal 2.5 quarters, asynchronous end of 6th, virtual 7th, and then a return to a weird in-person 8th grade, at the end of which they are tested on 3 years worth of middle school science. I wouldn’t expect any kid to actually be exceeding expectations under those circumstances (but I don’t think they had a benchmark set).

I received the same report yesterday. My child didn’t do well (low level 3) on the test but apparently still did better than the majority of MCPS kids and that’s abysmal. But I have to agree that being sent home in the middle of sixth grade with having seventh and eighth either virtual or hybrid was majorly impactful, not only for my own child but for the whole county.

Of course it was! Plenty of us felt that schools were closed much longer than they needed to be. The Algebra results were horrible last year. Our kids were definitely negatively impacted by the school closures and I don’t see enough acknowledgment of that by the BOE and MCPS.

It turns out all the studies done show there was just as much loss at schools that stayed open and the problem was the actual pandemic. Go figure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:0% exceeded expectation for 8th graders? I am thinking this is rounded down. Else they are saying no 8th grader last year received Exceeded Expectations?

18% Level 1 (Partially Met Expectations)
47% Level 2 (Approached Expectations)
35% Level 3 (Met Expectations)
0% Level 4 (Exceeded Expectations)

This is that new test they started giving during the pandemic without properly vetting it. Really wish they'd stick with proven national tests.

Yes, it's not a great test but it feeds the MAGA crowd's grievances.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What data or report are you looking at?

https://www.marylandpublicschools.org/stateboard/Documents/2022/0823/StandardSettingProgressOverviewStateAssessmentsTimelineUpdateSpring2022ResultsV2.pdf is a report from this summer about status of transition rom PARCC to MCAP and it say that standard setting is still ongoing for science (MISA) and social studies, and will utilize 2022-23 school year data.

Also, consider that 8th graders last spring started middle school in 6th grade with a normal 2.5 quarters, asynchronous end of 6th, virtual 7th, and then a return to a weird in-person 8th grade, at the end of which they are tested on 3 years worth of middle school science. I wouldn’t expect any kid to actually be exceeding expectations under those circumstances (but I don’t think they had a benchmark set).

I received the same report yesterday. My child didn’t do well (low level 3) on the test but apparently still did better than the majority of MCPS kids and that’s abysmal. But I have to agree that being sent home in the middle of sixth grade with having seventh and eighth either virtual or hybrid was majorly impactful, not only for my own child but for the whole county.

Of course it was! Plenty of us felt that schools were closed much longer than they needed to be. The Algebra results were horrible last year. Our kids were definitely negatively impacted by the school closures and I don’t see enough acknowledgment of that by the BOE and MCPS.

It turns out all the studies done show there was just as much loss at schools that stayed open and the problem was the actual pandemic. Go figure.

I have seen studies showing the opposite. What study are you looking at?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What data or report are you looking at?

https://www.marylandpublicschools.org/stateboard/Documents/2022/0823/StandardSettingProgressOverviewStateAssessmentsTimelineUpdateSpring2022ResultsV2.pdf is a report from this summer about status of transition rom PARCC to MCAP and it say that standard setting is still ongoing for science (MISA) and social studies, and will utilize 2022-23 school year data.

Also, consider that 8th graders last spring started middle school in 6th grade with a normal 2.5 quarters, asynchronous end of 6th, virtual 7th, and then a return to a weird in-person 8th grade, at the end of which they are tested on 3 years worth of middle school science. I wouldn’t expect any kid to actually be exceeding expectations under those circumstances (but I don’t think they had a benchmark set).

I received the same report yesterday. My child didn’t do well (low level 3) on the test but apparently still did better than the majority of MCPS kids and that’s abysmal. But I have to agree that being sent home in the middle of sixth grade with having seventh and eighth either virtual or hybrid was majorly impactful, not only for my own child but for the whole county.

Of course it was! Plenty of us felt that schools were closed much longer than they needed to be. The Algebra results were horrible last year. Our kids were definitely negatively impacted by the school closures and I don’t see enough acknowledgment of that by the BOE and MCPS.

It turns out all the studies done show there was just as much loss at schools that stayed open and the problem was the actual pandemic. Go figure.

Let's please see some of these studies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What data or report are you looking at?

https://www.marylandpublicschools.org/stateboard/Documents/2022/0823/StandardSettingProgressOverviewStateAssessmentsTimelineUpdateSpring2022ResultsV2.pdf is a report from this summer about status of transition rom PARCC to MCAP and it say that standard setting is still ongoing for science (MISA) and social studies, and will utilize 2022-23 school year data.

Also, consider that 8th graders last spring started middle school in 6th grade with a normal 2.5 quarters, asynchronous end of 6th, virtual 7th, and then a return to a weird in-person 8th grade, at the end of which they are tested on 3 years worth of middle school science. I wouldn’t expect any kid to actually be exceeding expectations under those circumstances (but I don’t think they had a benchmark set).

I received the same report yesterday. My child didn’t do well (low level 3) on the test but apparently still did better than the majority of MCPS kids and that’s abysmal. But I have to agree that being sent home in the middle of sixth grade with having seventh and eighth either virtual or hybrid was majorly impactful, not only for my own child but for the whole county.

Of course it was! Plenty of us felt that schools were closed much longer than they needed to be. The Algebra results were horrible last year. Our kids were definitely negatively impacted by the school closures and I don’t see enough acknowledgment of that by the BOE and MCPS.

It turns out all the studies done show there was just as much loss at schools that stayed open and the problem was the actual pandemic. Go figure.

I have seen studies showing the opposite. What study are you looking at?

All the ones published in mainstream journals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What data or report are you looking at?

https://www.marylandpublicschools.org/stateboard/Documents/2022/0823/StandardSettingProgressOverviewStateAssessmentsTimelineUpdateSpring2022ResultsV2.pdf is a report from this summer about status of transition rom PARCC to MCAP and it say that standard setting is still ongoing for science (MISA) and social studies, and will utilize 2022-23 school year data.

Also, consider that 8th graders last spring started middle school in 6th grade with a normal 2.5 quarters, asynchronous end of 6th, virtual 7th, and then a return to a weird in-person 8th grade, at the end of which they are tested on 3 years worth of middle school science. I wouldn’t expect any kid to actually be exceeding expectations under those circumstances (but I don’t think they had a benchmark set).

I received the same report yesterday. My child didn’t do well (low level 3) on the test but apparently still did better than the majority of MCPS kids and that’s abysmal. But I have to agree that being sent home in the middle of sixth grade with having seventh and eighth either virtual or hybrid was majorly impactful, not only for my own child but for the whole county.

Of course it was! Plenty of us felt that schools were closed much longer than they needed to be. The Algebra results were horrible last year. Our kids were definitely negatively impacted by the school closures and I don’t see enough acknowledgment of that by the BOE and MCPS.

It turns out all the studies done show there was just as much loss at schools that stayed open and the problem was the actual pandemic. Go figure.

I have seen studies showing the opposite. What study are you looking at?

All the ones published in mainstream journals.

There are reports on the studies in the NY Times

[Anonymous]

At my middle school we joked a few years ago that it was better if the kids did poorly. That way scores would only improve. As a result we did no test prep or review with the kids since the scores didn’t really count yet. As far as a I can tell the scores still don’t count, so don’t expect schools to do much. This exam is was pushed out as part of the Next Generation science standards, but isn’t really meant to be an assessment used to grade individual students, schools or teachers. More just an overview of how well the standards are working compared to before.