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Anonymous
| What is considered an average GBRS score compared to a good one? We found out that our daughter had a 13 (she did get into the AAP program). I am just curious if that is average or high? I think I read that 16 is the highest you can get, so I figure that a 13 can't be considered low. |
Anonymous
| Supposedly an "average" second grader would score a 4. Based on documents shared online from FCPS, the mathematical average for students accepted into the Level IV program is a GBRS of 12. |
Anonymous
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Back in 2004-2005 the average GBRS for students that were found GT Center-eligible was 12.
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/board.nsf/39c6389c088be51585256e56000c1bf2/2b1b2b585a5d305e852570fb004f3f9f/$FILE/Gifted%20and%20Talented%20Center%20Program.pdf |
Anonymous
Correction -- the average for the pool was 12, but the average for those found Center-eligible was 13. |
Anonymous
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That report was most interesting. The average test scores of kids in the screening poll is higher than the average found eligible...not surprising given the expected statistical distribution. However, the GBRS is one point higher....furthermore, the GBRS is the same for nominated and pool eligible kids.
My take is that gbrs is e real differentiator...I would like to know. If there are kids with poor test score (<110) and hig gbrs. Th |
Anonymous
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The GBRS is terrible tool to evaluate kids because it is so subjective. Our 2nd grader had a GBRS of 16, but his teacher loved him. However, in pre-K he was labeled "the worst child in the class" by his teacher. So if his JK teacher had been his teacher for 2nd grade I am betting he would have received a super low score.
Placing so much emphasis on such a subjective number gives a child's current teacher too much power. We lucked out this year, but we can easily see how things could have been different. |
Anonymous
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PP: The GBRS might be subjective, but that seems to be what the committee is looking at (based on the stats). Similarly, the testing can be very biased against some children or circumstances. The NNAT was done on a bad day at home (I was on travel, and DD was fighting with wife), and she was coming down with the flu when she took the CogAT...
The real problem is that determining which 2nd graders are gifted (or potentially gifted) is very difficult. |
Anonymous
| Does the current teacher fill out the GBRS form for purposes of admissions into the program? thx |
Anonymous
Yes |
Anonymous
I completely understand this, but then there's the WISC. The child can't have a bad day EVERY time. |
Anonymous
In a full report from a psychologist, there will usually be narrative describing how the child acted during the administration of the WISC-IV test. Perhaps the child was bored and didn't want to answer questions, opting to repeat "When will this be over?" type phrases during the testing. Or the narrative may include observations about the child preferring to pay attention to things in the room vs. the test administrator's questions. This qualitative information is important as part of the report. |
Anonymous
That's not exactly true. It is filled out by a committee at the child's school. At my child's school, the teacher was NOT on the committee. It had the Principal, Asst. Principal, AART and Counselor. The AART would get input from all of the child's teachers. Some schools have the teacher on the committee. It is not the same at every school, which I think makes it even more unfair. |
Anonymous
That seems very odd. |
Anonymous
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18:58 again.
My son is currently in a private school. His current teacher completed the GBRS; no committee, no review by anyone else at the school. It was just the opinion of one adult. Admittedly, this worked in our favor, but my point is that if we had a teacher which didn't like our kid - and this happened in the past - we could have been denied admittance to the AAP program based on a poor GBRS. |
Anonymous
11:5/11:51 here -- and this is just the way it was done for my DC. One teacher and that was it -- no committee, no principal, and no AART. |