Do you think antidepressants would help with this pattern of fighting with DH?

Anonymous
Background -- DH and I are in our 40s. This is a second marriage for both of us. He has two teens who live mostly with their mom, I have no kids. We've been together 9 years, and this problem has been going on for about 2 years.

We have a recurring pattern with our fights. He has never given an apology voluntarily, so I pick my battles carefully here, but there are times when I feel so disrespected by his actions that I NEED an apology from him in order to move on. The point of it, in my mind, is so he understands not to do X again, and he can't do that if he doesn't take accountability for it. Like I said, I pick my battles. These are Big Deal things involving lying/trust, not "I need an apology for the way you loaded the dishwasher."

Every. single. time I ask him for an apology, he interprets it as an attack, and it starts a terrible downward spiral. He refuses to apologize, he gets defensive, he deflects, he gaslights, he stonewalls, he throws out red herrings, he rewrites history, he storms out, etc. For my part, I end up yelling, which is also counterproductive, and then the fight becomes about my yelling. But I always get control of myself, apologize for my yelling, and try to engage him in a calm conversation, but he just ignores/stonewalls me at that point. And sometimes I haven't yelled at all, but it doesn't change anything; he still reacts the same way.

But the worst part is that it doesn't just blow over. It takes him 1 to 2 weeks to calm down (which he spends at another property we own). But in those 2 weeks, it's like he becomes logic-blind. He latches on to his interpretation of our fight, which is always just factually wrong -- as in, he doesn't even understand what I'm mad about; he'll keep defending himself against attacks I never raised -- and NOTHING I say gets through. It's literally like we are not speaking the same language.

And then eventually, after a couple weeks of me repeating my point ad nauseum, he'll say I'm right, and he'll apologize, and he'll thank me for being patient with him, and we'll talk about ways to not get to that point next time...and then it happens all over again a few weeks later. (I have also tried just not speaking for those 2 weeks, thinking he needed a certain amount of time to cool off, but that didn't work. He interpreted by disengagement as disrespectful, and also it's like he needs to hear the same point 37 times before it breaks through.)

It's extraordinarily unhealthy. He resists the idea of counseling or medications. And I know it's very easy for third parties to say we should just divorce, but I still love him so very much. When things are good, they're SO good. I do not want to give up on him, so advice to that effect will fall on deaf ears for now (my own this time, ha).

So here is my question. Is this depression? He's mid-40s. He has what I see as an anger problem. Anger in middle-aged men is often the result of depression. I'm clinging to this hope that if I could get him on an antidepressant and possibly into counseling, maybe he would stay calm enough for us to talk rationally. He is vehemently anti-medication, even like tylenol, so this would be an uphill battle. But it would give me so much motivation and hope if anyone else has seen depression treatment change their spouse's temperament in this way.

Thanks for reading.
Anonymous
OP, I know you think all of this text is helpful, but if this is your method of communication with your DH, you are simply exhausting.

You need professional communication therapy help. Why are you automatically jumping to medication when this is a communication problem you can both work to fix?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP, I know you think all of this text is helpful, but if this is your method of communication with your DH, you are simply exhausting.

You need professional communication therapy help. Why are you automatically jumping to medication when this is a communication problem you can both work to fix?


I've been around DCUM long enough to anticipate a lot of responses, so I was trying to be thorough.

But point taken, and it's exhausting for me too, and yet any attempts at "short and sweet and straightforward" with him have never worked.
Anonymous
The problem is you are fighting about trust issues and lying. There is no way you can stay married to someone that lies. There is no way a person that lies can be honest enough with themselves to apologize.

If you were having this problem about stuff that wasn’t so fundamental, I would suggest checking out the Five Apology Languages. I have been happily married a long time and we did this quiz last year. It was so enlightening to see that in the way my husband views apologies, he doesn’t see a need to plan for change. And he wants me to ask him to forgive me, which I think is totally dumb. But, we are fighting about stuff like him being late. Not trust issues.
Anonymous
If every few weeks there is a big deal trust / lies issues and fight - isn't that the bigger issue?

There is no trust or honesty. The communication / apologies are pretty secondary.
Anonymous
You stated that your arguments stem from lying to you (trust issues). Can you give an example? Is he unreachable at 2 AM or does he meet up with the guys after work and then not tell you who he is with? Is he drinking too much or gambling away the mortgage money?
Anonymous
Guess we know why his first marriage ended.
Anonymous
I’d ask myself why I need an apology so badly that I’m willing to risk my husband’s happiness and marriage in order to get it.
Anonymous
The issue isn't him not apologizing it's him doing things to disrespect you to begin with.

My spouse has done things I disagree with and things I wish they hadn't done, and made mistakes - but none of it was what I woudl consider disrespectful.
Anonymous
OP, you are deluding yourself if you think forcing an apology from somebody means that he has taken responsibility for his actions. If he does give you the apology that you are craving then he is doing so because you requested it, not because he actually means it.

The patterns of your fighting, in the way that you described it, are verbal and emotional abuse. Stonewalling, gaslighting, silent treatment are all forms of verbal and emotional abuse.

You have to decide if you want to live with that kind of abuse. The reason the people stay with abusers is because when it is good it is good, you said that yourself. OK then. If the good times are wonderful and they make up for the abuse then stay with it.

It is possible to be in a relationship with somebody where the good times are good and the bad times are not abusive. That’s not the situation that you are in, it’s the situation you could be in if you looked for the right person.

There is no amount of anger or couples canceling that will solve abuse.
Anonymous
so you fight and he leaves for WEEKS? When do you see this person? A week or two before it happens again? So half or more of your marriage is spent this way? And the other half is SO good? DTMF
Anonymous
So you are walking on eggshells in your relationship?

There is no magical pill that can halt anger.
Plus, no one legally has to be medicated, even with severe mental issues.

You can try joint therapy to discuss how to communicate when angry and to discuss these big/deal things involving lying and trust that cause the anger on both of your parts.

Have you ever had a discussion with your spouse or with his ex-wife as to why his marriage failed? It would be interesting to talk with his ex-wife.
Anonymous
Yikes.

He is bad news. Mental disorder bad news.

I’m so sorry Op.

Pls see an experienced therapist individually, tell them what’s been going on, get strong, and leave.
Anonymous
This is beyond anxiety and depression. Any anxiety and depression his has are outputs from his underlying disorder(s). He may have developed narcissistic communication and control patterns too— you’ve listed many.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP, you are deluding yourself if you think forcing an apology from somebody means that he has taken responsibility for his actions. If he does give you the apology that you are craving then he is doing so because you requested it, not because he actually means it.

The patterns of your fighting, in the way that you described it, are verbal and emotional abuse. Stonewalling, gaslighting, silent treatment are all forms of verbal and emotional abuse.

You have to decide if you want to live with that kind of abuse. The reason the people stay with abusers is because when it is good it is good, you said that yourself. OK then. If the good times are wonderful and they make up for the abuse then stay with it.

It is possible to be in a relationship with somebody where the good times are good and the bad times are not abusive. That’s not the situation that you are in, it’s the situation you could be in if you looked for the right person.

There is no amount of anger or couples canceling that will solve abuse.


+1000

Be glad you never had children with this sort of subhuman.
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