ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think many supporters of this move are just thinking that their kid can go from being one of the youngest to being one of the oldest in play. And they probably need it because they aren’t that good.

True. And many opponents of this move are willing to dismiss any argument, and overlook any problem, to maintain their age advantage because they need it and aren’t that good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think many supporters of this move are just thinking that their kid can go from being one of the youngest to being one of the oldest in play. And they probably need it because they aren’t that good.

True. And many opponents of this move are willing to dismiss any argument, and overlook any problem, to maintain their age advantage because they need it and aren’t that good.

Both very true. Though the opponents seem quite a bit louder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think many supporters of this move are just thinking that their kid can go from being one of the youngest to being one of the oldest in play. And they probably need it because they aren’t that good.

True. And many opponents of this move are willing to dismiss any argument, and overlook any problem, to maintain their age advantage because they need it and aren’t that good.

Exactly. So it really doesn’t matter at competitive levels. The kids who stand to gain or lose aren’t that good and all the other reasons are just parents trying to hide their hope for any advantage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think many supporters of this move are just thinking that their kid can go from being one of the youngest to being one of the oldest in play. And they probably need it because they aren’t that good.

True. And many opponents of this move are willing to dismiss any argument, and overlook any problem, to maintain their age advantage because they need it and aren’t that good.

Exactly. So it really doesn’t matter at competitive levels. The kids who stand to gain or lose aren’t that good and all the other reasons are just parents trying to hide their hope for any advantage.

"aren't that good" is too vague. Relative to what? Cavin Sullivan? Alex Morgan? Also not sure what you mean by competitive levels because the men's US Olympic team had RAE based on the years of the players chosen.

[Anonymous]

I think "aren't that good" probably means if shifting a cut off date 180 days hurts your chances for soccer success that much you probably are not a high caliber player to begin with?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think many supporters of this move are just thinking that their kid can go from being one of the youngest to being one of the oldest in play. And they probably need it because they aren’t that good.

True. And many opponents of this move are willing to dismiss any argument, and overlook any problem, to maintain their age advantage because they need it and aren’t that good.

Exactly. So it really doesn’t matter at competitive levels. The kids who stand to gain or lose aren’t that good and all the other reasons are just parents trying to hide their hope for any advantage.

"aren't that good" is too vague. Relative to what? Cavin Sullivan? Alex Morgan? Also not sure what you mean by competitive levels because the men's US Olympic team had RAE based on the years of the players chosen.

5 from 2001, 4 from 2002, 3 from 2003, 2 from 2004 and 1 from 2005. Plus over age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think "aren't that good" probably means if shifting a cut off date 180 days hurts your chances for soccer success that much you probably are not a high caliber player to begin with?

Then they would need to prove that RAE is a myth and the studies are wrong. 70 pages and plus here says otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think "aren't that good" probably means if shifting a cut off date 180 days hurts your chances for soccer success that much you probably are not a high caliber player to begin with?

Then they would need to prove that RAE is a myth and the studies are wrong. 70 pages and plus here says otherwise.

Not really. Both could be true, but not exclusively. RAE is an advantage in many cases and also in many cases, the loudest supporters for/against want it and their kids are not that good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think "aren't that good" probably means if shifting a cut off date 180 days hurts your chances for soccer success that much you probably are not a high caliber player to begin with?

Then they would need to prove that RAE is a myth and the studies are wrong. 70 pages and plus here says otherwise.

Not really. Both could be true, but not exclusively. RAE is an advantage in many cases and also in many cases, the loudest supporters for/against want it and their kids are not that good.

Yes

[Anonymous]

Then they would need to prove that RAE is a myth and the studies are wrong. 70 pages and plus here says otherwise.

Yeah RAE is real but if you had all the advantages of RAE being a Jan-Jun and are in jeopardy of losing your spot you were probably on the lower end of the roster regardless. My guess is that the people complaining the most are either

A) Those that have had RAE benefit but still are not standing out so they have the most to lose being dropped down and;

B) Those that are Jul-Dec that are currently playing "up" because they are very good and like the challenge who are worried about being forced to play "down" against lesser competition as I have heard of two major clubs that have said they will not make exceptions and you will play with your appropriate age group if this comes to pass.

I am a parent of a B category and will be very unhappy with the change. I can easily solve trapped 8th grade and Junior year problem but cant easily solve practicing day in and day out with lower level of competition.

FWIW

[Anonymous]

I am parent of a B - one of best on team though also one of youngest who has played up for years…he will absolutely be switching and playing with his grade group because his primary interest is getting recruited to play in college and facts are facts. Coaches don’t show up for U-19 games (which is the only age group when he would meet NCAA requirements). Sorry, not sorry. By U-17 it’s no longer about ‘developing’ it’s about being seen in the games you play. We don’t have thousands to fork out for ID camps all over the country once he is grade eligible at U-19. Can’t be seen if coaches bypass your age group. No matter how many emails you may send or how many videos you post- a coach wants ROI for their time- they go to games whete 80% of players are recruitable not 20. Coaches need to maximize their time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Then they would need to prove that RAE is a myth and the studies are wrong. 70 pages and plus here says otherwise.

Yeah RAE is real but if you had all the advantages of RAE being a Jan-Jun and are in jeopardy of losing your spot you were probably on the lower end of the roster regardless. My guess is that the people complaining the most are either

A) Those that have had RAE benefit but still are not standing out so they have the most to lose being dropped down and;

B) Those that are Jul-Dec that are currently playing "up" because they are very good and like the challenge who are worried about being forced to play "down" against lesser competition as I have heard of two major clubs that have said they will not make exceptions and you will play with your appropriate age group if this comes to pass.

I am a parent of a B category and will be very unhappy with the change. I can easily solve trapped 8th grade and Junior year problem but cant easily solve practicing day in and day out with lower level of competition.

FWIW

Players have always been able to play up. Your making up imaginary grievances.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am parent of a B - one of best on team though also one of youngest who has played up for years…he will absolutely be switching and playing with his grade group because his primary interest is getting recruited to play in college and facts are facts. Coaches don’t show up for U-19 games (which is the only age group when he would meet NCAA requirements). Sorry, not sorry. By U-17 it’s no longer about ‘developing’ it’s about being seen in the games you play. We don’t have thousands to fork out for ID camps all over the country once he is grade eligible at U-19. Can’t be seen if coaches bypass your age group. No matter how many emails you may send or how many videos you post- a coach wants ROI for their time- they go to games whete 80% of players are recruitable not 20. Coaches need to maximize their time.

College coaches can only watch a certain number of games during the showcase. Of course, they will spend their time watching U-17 games. Trapped players must be star players in the older grade team so the coach can remember them one year later.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am parent of a B - one of best on team though also one of youngest who has played up for years…he will absolutely be switching and playing with his grade group because his primary interest is getting recruited to play in college and facts are facts. Coaches don’t show up for U-19 games (which is the only age group when he would meet NCAA requirements). Sorry, not sorry. By U-17 it’s no longer about ‘developing’ it’s about being seen in the games you play. We don’t have thousands to fork out for ID camps all over the country once he is grade eligible at U-19. Can’t be seen if coaches bypass your age group. No matter how many emails you may send or how many videos you post- a coach wants ROI for their time- they go to games whete 80% of players are recruitable not 20. Coaches need to maximize their time.

College coaches can only watch a certain number of games during the showcase. Of course, they will spend their time watching U-17 games. Trapped players must be star players in the older grade team so the coach can remember them one year later.

Good luck with that. I am so sure a coach will remember a player a full 12 -18 months later. Not happening unless you are Cavan- and let’s be real 99.9% of kids are not good enough to be ‘remembered’ a full year later. Congrats if your kid is the top .1%. You don’t have to be to Cavan to play college. If this switch happens - my player will very happily be moving to a team where the kids are all in the same graduating class

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am parent of a B - one of best on team though also one of youngest who has played up for years…he will absolutely be switching and playing with his grade group because his primary interest is getting recruited to play in college and facts are facts. Coaches don’t show up for U-19 games (which is the only age group when he would meet NCAA requirements). Sorry, not sorry. By U-17 it’s no longer about ‘developing’ it’s about being seen in the games you play. We don’t have thousands to fork out for ID camps all over the country once he is grade eligible at U-19. Can’t be seen if coaches bypass your age group. No matter how many emails you may send or how many videos you post- a coach wants ROI for their time- they go to games whete 80% of players are recruitable not 20. Coaches need to maximize their time.

College coaches can only watch a certain number of games during the showcase. Of course, they will spend their time watching U-17 games. Trapped players must be star players in the older grade team so the coach can remember them one year later.

Good luck with that. I am so sure a coach will remember a player a full 12 -18 months later. Not happening unless you are Cavan- and let’s be real 99.9% of kids are not good enough to be ‘remembered’ a full year later. Congrats if your kid is the top .1%. You don’t have to be to Cavan to play college. If this switch happens - my player will very happily be moving to a team where the kids are all in the same graduating class

My previous post points out the extra difficulty a trapped player has to face during college recruiting. You have to be a star player to stand out on the older grade team when they are juniors and you are a sophomore. Otherwise, the college coach will ignore you during the next showcase when they focus on the junior team, and you play on the senior team. No college coach will spend precious game time only watching you instead of the whole team unless you are truly special.