Teachers Resigning Like Crazy?

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Anonymous wrote:I think the pandemic virtual consequences isn’t so much the screens but the laziness. Kids got used to being at home, being in PJs, laying in the couch and having Monday “off.” Even now many kids aren’t fully back in the routine of school and work.

Nope. Nice try.

I just meant it’s not all screens. But they also were on other screens a lot more and got more addicted.

Because schools were closed.

Pandemic virtual consequences are actually that some teachers became even lazier. They now simply pop up some slides for the kids to do and don’t actually teach. If you can believe it, we had a teacher last year that refused to give any hard copies of handouts/readings to the class. Every single thing was online. She made the kids go on Schoology to do every single thing, even when it wasn’t appropriate to be in that format.

Don't be shocked when these "lazy" teachers resign.

One of those “lazy” teachers just put in 2 weeks and won’t return after spring break; they got a job doing corporate training for a major company that’s offering an immediate 30% pay increase, WFH 2-3 days per weeks, much better healthcare. I guess that company didn’t check with DCUM to before hiring though- clearly the keyboard warriors here know something they don’t!

Basically lower $/hour since they won't get all the time off, and they lose their pension.

Yawn. You keep trotting out this same insipid, tired line because you are desperate to perpetuate the fiction that your kids’ teachers can’t quit because they don’t have better options.

Yes...it's getting old.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Data from Fairfax County:

https://public.tableau.com/views/Retention_27/TeacherRetention?%3Alanguage=en-US&%3Adisplay_count=n&%3Aorigin=viz_share_link%3AshowVizHome

In 2019-2020, FCPS had a 93% teacher retention rate. In 2021-22, they had an 89.2% retention rate. Not fantastic, but also by no means dooms-day. Given what I've seen of school board meetings, it looks like the 2022-23 teacher retention numbers will be back to where they were before the pandemic.

What? There will be a few thousand open positions next year.

Yes, FCPS is a big school system. The number of open positions will be in thousands, just like they are in a normal year.

But they won’t all get filled (again).

Let's let parents be surprised....I know 3 who are leaving but haven't let admin know yet. They have till June.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I recently left my teaching job. I am vested and will qualify for a lot of what I would have gotten if I stayed the full number of years.
I was able to find a different job pretty easily. 13% pay raise. Instead of 16 weeks vacation, I only get 8, but that's pretty good. And instead of working 60+ hours a week, it's only 40. Plus the work is MUCH easier.

My stress has gone way down, my blood pressure is back to normal, I'm sleeping again, I'm not crying on my way to work and I've lost ten pounds. There's jobs outside of teaching.

Why were you crying on your way to work? My goodness.

STOP the nonsense....some of these kids are maniacs and the stress is high. We don't just teach-it's balancing many roles and getting paid for one job. And let's not forget we have to baby all of you.

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Anonymous wrote:Data from Fairfax County:

https://public.tableau.com/views/Retention_27/TeacherRetention?%3Alanguage=en-US&%3Adisplay_count=n&%3Aorigin=viz_share_link%3AshowVizHome

In 2019-2020, FCPS had a 93% teacher retention rate. In 2021-22, they had an 89.2% retention rate. Not fantastic, but also by no means dooms-day. Given what I've seen of school board meetings, it looks like the 2022-23 teacher retention numbers will be back to where they were before the pandemic.

What? There will be a few thousand open positions next year.

Yes, FCPS is a big school system. The number of open positions will be in thousands, just like they are in a normal year.

But they won’t all get filled (again).

Yep. When my school wasn't fully staffed in August, they pulled some of the job listings to combine classes or otherwise find workarounds. So we looked fully staffed when we were not.

OK... is that some sort of new/unique thing or different in terms of prevalence county-wide, or is that standard operating procedure and you just weren't as aware/attuned to it previously?

DP but a lot of schools had unfilled positions. dr. R was spinning it. This year was bad and it’s only going to get worse.

I'm truly starting to think this is a case of Chicken Little screaming about the sky falling.

The publically available data do not support the claim that teachers are leaving en masse.

LOL ok

[Anonymous]

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As a teacher who covers 3-4 times a week for classes because teachers quit, I’m going to disagree with you.

The data for my school also says we have a 1:20 student teacher ratio. I have most classes over 30, just like everyone else.

Question: Is the ratio correct because they are counting in lots of specialists or is it totally inaccurate?

Inaccurate and let's not forget FCPS' trick of putting up one job and needing to hire 3-4 teachers-they do it every year to keep you all "calm"

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Anonymous wrote:Data from Fairfax County:

https://public.tableau.com/views/Retention_27/TeacherRetention?%3Alanguage=en-US&%3Adisplay_count=n&%3Aorigin=viz_share_link%3AshowVizHome

In 2019-2020, FCPS had a 93% teacher retention rate. In 2021-22, they had an 89.2% retention rate. Not fantastic, but also by no means dooms-day. Given what I've seen of school board meetings, it looks like the 2022-23 teacher retention numbers will be back to where they were before the pandemic.

What? There will be a few thousand open positions next year.

Yes, FCPS is a big school system. The number of open positions will be in thousands, just like they are in a normal year.

But they won’t all get filled (again).

Let's let parents be surprised....I know 3 who are leaving but haven't let admin know yet. They have till June.

As a teacher whose quit over the summer, you can still quit in July/August. June 30th is pretty arbitrary and what FCPS would like for notice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Data from Fairfax County:

https://public.tableau.com/views/Retention_27/TeacherRetention?%3Alanguage=en-US&%3Adisplay_count=n&%3Aorigin=viz_share_link%3AshowVizHome

In 2019-2020, FCPS had a 93% teacher retention rate. In 2021-22, they had an 89.2% retention rate. Not fantastic, but also by no means dooms-day. Given what I've seen of school board meetings, it looks like the 2022-23 teacher retention numbers will be back to where they were before the pandemic.

What? There will be a few thousand open positions next year.

Yes, FCPS is a big school system. The number of open positions will be in thousands, just like they are in a normal year.

But they won’t all get filled (again).

Let's let parents be surprised....I know 3 who are leaving but haven't let admin know yet. They have till June.

As a teacher whose quit over the summer, you can still quit in July/August. June 30th is pretty arbitrary and what FCPS would like for notice.

Cheers to that!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I recently left my teaching job. I am vested and will qualify for a lot of what I would have gotten if I stayed the full number of years.
I was able to find a different job pretty easily. 13% pay raise. Instead of 16 weeks vacation, I only get 8, but that's pretty good. And instead of working 60+ hours a week, it's only 40. Plus the work is MUCH easier.

My stress has gone way down, my blood pressure is back to normal, I'm sleeping again, I'm not crying on my way to work and I've lost ten pounds. There's jobs outside of teaching.

Why were you crying on your way to work? My goodness.

STOP the nonsense....some of these kids are maniacs and the stress is high. We don't just teach-it's balancing many roles and getting paid for one job. And let's not forget we have to baby all of you.

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People who ask ridiculous questions like that have never tried teaching a class full of kids, many of whom have behavioral issues and disrupt the entire class, constantly. If there was any support at all from admin re: punishment/discipline, removal from class, etc. of these kids, perhaps I wouldn't have been a stressed out mess on the verge of a nervous breakdown.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I recently left my teaching job. I am vested and will qualify for a lot of what I would have gotten if I stayed the full number of years.
I was able to find a different job pretty easily. 13% pay raise. Instead of 16 weeks vacation, I only get 8, but that's pretty good. And instead of working 60+ hours a week, it's only 40. Plus the work is MUCH easier.

My stress has gone way down, my blood pressure is back to normal, I'm sleeping again, I'm not crying on my way to work and I've lost ten pounds. There's jobs outside of teaching.

Why were you crying on your way to work? My goodness.

You will find many teachers crying these days. I had a student last year who almost broke me. If I didn't have lots of sick time saved up, I would've quit. I felt sick going to work many days. I cried in the bathroom. Parent refused to sign the IEP we worked so hard to get for the child. The best thing to happen to that kid was having the principal fill in for me one day when I was out. We had no subs so she had to fill in. After that, the principal sent someone to my class immediately after I texted. This student left scratches and bruises on me. She destroyed so much of the classroom I paid for. If I worked in any other environment, this wouldn't be tolerated.

This is just utterly disgraceful and you have my full sympathies. Funny how the principal offered no help until she was forced to see what was happening herself. That kid should have been removed long ago.
DP

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I recently left my teaching job. I am vested and will qualify for a lot of what I would have gotten if I stayed the full number of years.
I was able to find a different job pretty easily. 13% pay raise. Instead of 16 weeks vacation, I only get 8, but that's pretty good. And instead of working 60+ hours a week, it's only 40. Plus the work is MUCH easier.

My stress has gone way down, my blood pressure is back to normal, I'm sleeping again, I'm not crying on my way to work and I've lost ten pounds. There's jobs outside of teaching.

Why were you crying on your way to work? My goodness.

DP. That’s not uncommon. I had to meet a teacher at her car each morning. She would cry and consider driving home, so we came to the agreement that I would help her get into the building. (She quit.) I have another teacher in my department who frequently breaks down in the book room.

This job breaks people. I’ve seen it happen many times over the years. It’s hard to stand helpless against a steady stream of disrespect and overwhelming demands.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I recently left my teaching job. I am vested and will qualify for a lot of what I would have gotten if I stayed the full number of years.
I was able to find a different job pretty easily. 13% pay raise. Instead of 16 weeks vacation, I only get 8, but that's pretty good. And instead of working 60+ hours a week, it's only 40. Plus the work is MUCH easier.

My stress has gone way down, my blood pressure is back to normal, I'm sleeping again, I'm not crying on my way to work and I've lost ten pounds. There's jobs outside of teaching.

Why were you crying on your way to work? My goodness.

STOP the nonsense....some of these kids are maniacs and the stress is high. We don't just teach-it's balancing many roles and getting paid for one job. And let's not forget we have to baby all of you.

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People who ask ridiculous questions like that have never tried teaching a class full of kids, many of whom have behavioral issues and disrupt the entire class, constantly. If there was any support at all from admin re: punishment/discipline, removal from class, etc. of these kids, perhaps I wouldn't have been a stressed out mess on the verge of a nervous breakdown.

Other people have far more demanding jobs. It’s just not their culture to whine and complain about it all the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The US needs to reduce school hours. It’s ridiculous how many hours kids and teachers are at school, especially in elementary. There is so much fluff because no one can concentrate for that long. American teachers spend more time in the classroom than those in most other developed nations.

They won’t, because parents overwhelmingly demand school be free babysitting (and no, the pittance of their personal property taxes earmarked directly for public schools doesn’t come CLOSE to paying for nine months of childcare).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Data from Fairfax County:

https://public.tableau.com/views/Retention_27/TeacherRetention?%3Alanguage=en-US&%3Adisplay_count=n&%3Aorigin=viz_share_link%3AshowVizHome

In 2019-2020, FCPS had a 93% teacher retention rate. In 2021-22, they had an 89.2% retention rate. Not fantastic, but also by no means dooms-day. Given what I've seen of school board meetings, it looks like the 2022-23 teacher retention numbers will be back to where they were before the pandemic.

What? There will be a few thousand open positions next year.

Yes, FCPS is a big school system. The number of open positions will be in thousands, just like they are in a normal year.

But they won’t all get filled (again).

Yep. When my school wasn't fully staffed in August, they pulled some of the job listings to combine classes or otherwise find workarounds. So we looked fully staffed when we were not.

OK... is that some sort of new/unique thing or different in terms of prevalence county-wide, or is that standard operating procedure and you just weren't as aware/attuned to it previously?

DP but a lot of schools had unfilled positions. dr. R was spinning it. This year was bad and it’s only going to get worse.

I'm truly starting to think this is a case of Chicken Little screaming about the sky falling.

The publically available data do not support the claim that teachers are leaving en masse.

It’s OK that you’re ignorant, but you probably should stop advertising it publicly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I recently left my teaching job. I am vested and will qualify for a lot of what I would have gotten if I stayed the full number of years.
I was able to find a different job pretty easily. 13% pay raise. Instead of 16 weeks vacation, I only get 8, but that's pretty good. And instead of working 60+ hours a week, it's only 40. Plus the work is MUCH easier.

My stress has gone way down, my blood pressure is back to normal, I'm sleeping again, I'm not crying on my way to work and I've lost ten pounds. There's jobs outside of teaching.

Why were you crying on your way to work? My goodness.

STOP the nonsense....some of these kids are maniacs and the stress is high. We don't just teach-it's balancing many roles and getting paid for one job. And let's not forget we have to baby all of you.

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People who ask ridiculous questions like that have never tried teaching a class full of kids, many of whom have behavioral issues and disrupt the entire class, constantly. If there was any support at all from admin re: punishment/discipline, removal from class, etc. of these kids, perhaps I wouldn't have been a stressed out mess on the verge of a nervous breakdown.

Other people have far more demanding jobs. It’s just not their culture to whine and complain about it all the time.

Keep running your ignorant yap. Hope your kids enjoy their cadre of rotating unqualified warm body subs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I recently left my teaching job. I am vested and will qualify for a lot of what I would have gotten if I stayed the full number of years.
I was able to find a different job pretty easily. 13% pay raise. Instead of 16 weeks vacation, I only get 8, but that's pretty good. And instead of working 60+ hours a week, it's only 40. Plus the work is MUCH easier.

My stress has gone way down, my blood pressure is back to normal, I'm sleeping again, I'm not crying on my way to work and I've lost ten pounds. There's jobs outside of teaching.

Why were you crying on your way to work? My goodness.

STOP the nonsense....some of these kids are maniacs and the stress is high. We don't just teach-it's balancing many roles and getting paid for one job. And let's not forget we have to baby all of you.

+1
People who ask ridiculous questions like that have never tried teaching a class full of kids, many of whom have behavioral issues and disrupt the entire class, constantly. If there was any support at all from admin re: punishment/discipline, removal from class, etc. of these kids, perhaps I wouldn't have been a stressed out mess on the verge of a nervous breakdown.

Other people have far more demanding jobs. It’s just not their culture to whine and complain about it all the time.

True, but there may not be local forums dedicated to constantly degrading them.