Historically, has America or Russia been worse to indigenous populations?
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Anonymous
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This is an open question and might be limited to those with some knowledge of Russian history, but I have been wondering this myself throughout the Ukraine conflict and actually do not have my own conclusion.
Both countries exist territorially because of colonialism. Both countries are guilty of bloodshed and genocide. Both countries have systemic racism. When I think about it, America has been worse in past centuries, whereas Russia has been more brutal in modern history. Native Americans have faced more in terms of cultural and linguistic erasure than indigenous peoples in Russia (meaning non-Russian people that have been conquered or co-opted into the Russian Empire, preceding the Soviet Union). Many languages such as Chechen are still widely spoken in their nominal republics, for example. However, Russia is more overtly brutal in recent decades and has been across the board worse on human rights. In my opinion, Russia cannot be considered a modern country and very much adheres to old-word imperialist tendencies. On the flip side, compared with the US at the time, the Soviet Union was quite adept at finding a place and elevating all different nationalities - although it was generally in a performative sort of way, to show an artificial diversity of the Communist Party. Does anyone with a history background have any thoughts on this? |
Anonymous
| WTF? |
Anonymous
| Russia deported most of the Tatars out of Crimea, kicked indigenous people out of pretty much anyplace "desirable" in their holdings, to be replaced with ethnic Russians. They completely leveled Grozny and much of Chechnya, they continue to oppress indigenous folk all throughout the country and now they are sending mostly indigenous people from rural territories to Ukraine as cannon fodder while Muscovites sit on their asses. |
Anonymous
+1000 |
Anonymous
We’re reaching peak stupidity. |
Anonymous
Anonymous
How about you open a history book? (NP). |
Anonymous
| You’re comparing atrocities? New low. |
Anonymous
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Russia has been "worse" to lots of its population, whatever they may be. Read about Stalin. Or just watch some videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLfoJTWjgJ4 |
Anonymous
+1. I think the temporal component matters as well. For example, genocide is never good, but genocide yesterday is worse than genocide 100 years ago. |
Anonymous
| The US has been far worse to Indigenous Peoples. Anyone who suggests otherwise is an absolute loon as well as totally ignorant of history. |
Anonymous
I think the PPs are assuming that OP is asking if the US is worse than Russia, point blank, which is of course dumb and obvious. I think OP is referring to native peoples, like whether White Americans were worse to Native Americans than Russians have been to Chechens, Tatars, Ukrainians etc. IMO Russia is as bad now as America was in the 19th century |
Anonymous
Russia has a much longer history. Are we talking about things that the Varangians might have done to the people who originally lived in the areas like Kiev, Novgorod, and Moscow? Because people back then were absolute bastards to one another. |
Anonymous
| You compare any European or semi European countries history to the US and the US comes off a lot better. Look at France in Haiti. The British looted India for generations and straight up stole South Africa wealth. Any country with an empire. |