School Vouchers

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is it bad A teacher doesn’t know what school vouchers are? Asking for a teacher

Yes. Even sadder you admit it rather than googling.

I’m an immigrant so I’m sure it’s not that bad.

What are vouchers? Money for parents?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unions are getting a bad rap because of one FCPS lady, who happens to hold the bully pulpit, taking an extreme point of view. She won't be in that job forever. Not all unions operate that way.

And Chicago? And DCPS?

Again, DCPS has vouchers. They call it a "scholarship program" but it's a voucher system. I have no idea about Chicago and don't feel like looking it up. But don't blame DCPS woes on the union.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it bad A teacher doesn’t know what school vouchers are? Asking for a teacher

Yes. Even sadder you admit it rather than googling.

I’m an immigrant so I’m sure it’s not that bad.

What are vouchers? Money for parents?

Yes. School system takes the moethey would have spent to educate the kids and gives it to parents who want it to pay for private, homeschool materials, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes 100% vouchers! I’ll vote for any pro voucher candidate now. -former liberal who is livid about no school

Better than that, 100% of per pupil expenditure, money follows kids.

Signed,
GOP who wants to destroy public schools

Nope. Dem who has spent a lot of time thinking about education policy this year. Our schools are a relic of the 1950s and one size fits all. This is a great chance to overhaul that, make HSs smaller and more specialized, get a better voc tech track for HS, find a way to keep AAP from being such a mess, etc. we aren’t 1950. We have the technology and a different economy.

But, governments don’t innovate. They aren’t nimble. There is a role for the private sector in reimagining education. And public education needs to be reimagined. Why are sports vital for HS? Why not just have club teams and intermural? My DD is super isolated now, and needs some in person. But, with technology would be fine only going in 2 days a week and focusing on things better done in person. Maybe our schools don’t need to be so overcrowded. Maybe there is a role for kids to be hybrid if it’s done well. Or take some classes virtually and some in person. Maybe some kids would be better in a year round school model. Maybe Asian parents want a more Asian style education. Maybe that includes telelearning from teachers in their native country.

So not an R. Just someone who thinks it’s time for schools to get out of the life revolves around average kids going to football games and proms and innovate.

Public schools are less likely to innovate if you pull the money out.

Push for change, NOT to defund schools.

Have you met our SB? They are incapable of change. Public schools aren’t innovating with a full budget. So, put the money elsewhere and let capitalism do its thing.

I'm sorry, but did you just say that the public schools have a "full budget?" What on Earth gives you that impression? Schools are underfunded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem I see is that there just won’t be enough good schools to go around! Suppose I am looking for a school where I like the demographic, the reputation, and the test data, will there be a spot for me? It’s not a coincidence that good schools are mostly overcrowded. What if they were allowed to accept from outside of their boundaries?
At the same time low performing schools sit underenrolled and even close sometimes.

Exactly this. You want to hand over education to capitalism? What happens to a business that's poorly run? It usually goes out of business. And what happens when the school your child attends goes out of business? Have any of you experienced a daycare suddenly going to crap because the director changed or the school got bought out, and the teachers left in droves? We have. It stinks. I was so glad to be done with the daycare years. I can't imagine having to deal with that possibility throughout school, and having no governing board to petition... the only recourse being to pull my child from the school, from their friends, and start over in a new private school. Yech.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem I see is that there just won’t be enough good schools to go around! Suppose I am looking for a school where I like the demographic, the reputation, and the test data, will there be a spot for me? It’s not a coincidence that good schools are mostly overcrowded. What if they were allowed to accept from outside of their boundaries?
At the same time low performing schools sit underenrolled and even close sometimes.

Exactly this. You want to hand over education to capitalism? What happens to a business that's poorly run? It usually goes out of business. And what happens when the school your child attends goes out of business? Have any of you experienced a daycare suddenly going to crap because the director changed or the school got bought out, and the teachers left in droves? We have. It stinks. I was so glad to be done with the daycare years. I can't imagine having to deal with that possibility throughout school, and having no governing board to petition... the only recourse being to pull my child from the school, from their friends, and start over in a new private school. Yech.

So, much better to force them to stay in a GS 1 school without full accreditation, because they have no other option? There are bad school everywhere. In privates, the go under and the kids go to better schools. In public’s, they spiral downward as white flight happens. And kids without money are stuck. Although it’s disruptive, isn’t it better to give kids the choice to leave a bad school? I don’t see the argument for forcing kids to stay in drecks of the school system because they can’t afford better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes 100% vouchers! I’ll vote for any pro voucher candidate now. -former liberal who is livid about no school

Better than that, 100% of per pupil expenditure, money follows kids.

Signed,
GOP who wants to destroy public schools

Nope. Dem who has spent a lot of time thinking about education policy this year. Our schools are a relic of the 1950s and one size fits all. This is a great chance to overhaul that, make HSs smaller and more specialized, get a better voc tech track for HS, find a way to keep AAP from being such a mess, etc. we aren’t 1950. We have the technology and a different economy.

But, governments don’t innovate. They aren’t nimble. There is a role for the private sector in reimagining education. And public education needs to be reimagined. Why are sports vital for HS? Why not just have club teams and intermural? My DD is super isolated now, and needs some in person. But, with technology would be fine only going in 2 days a week and focusing on things better done in person. Maybe our schools don’t need to be so overcrowded. Maybe there is a role for kids to be hybrid if it’s done well. Or take some classes virtually and some in person. Maybe some kids would be better in a year round school model. Maybe Asian parents want a more Asian style education. Maybe that includes telelearning from teachers in their native country.

So not an R. Just someone who thinks it’s time for schools to get out of the life revolves around average kids going to football games and proms and innovate.

Public schools are less likely to innovate if you pull the money out.

Push for change, NOT to defund schools.

Have you met our SB? They are incapable of change. Public schools aren’t innovating with a full budget. So, put the money elsewhere and let capitalism do its thing.

I'm sorry, but did you just say that the public schools have a "full budget?" What on Earth gives you that impression? Schools are underfunded.

If a school system has the money to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a motivational speaker during a pandemic. I would argue they are overfunded. Seems like that money would buy a lot of plexiglass.

[Anonymous]

Question about vouchers: if public school students are given vouchers to use in private schools, what happens with students already paying for private schooling? Are all private school students then eligible for a subsidized education?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes 100% vouchers! I’ll vote for any pro voucher candidate now. -former liberal who is livid about no school

Better than that, 100% of per pupil expenditure, money follows kids.

Signed,
GOP who wants to destroy public schools

Nope. Dem who has spent a lot of time thinking about education policy this year. Our schools are a relic of the 1950s and one size fits all. This is a great chance to overhaul that, make HSs smaller and more specialized, get a better voc tech track for HS, find a way to keep AAP from being such a mess, etc. we aren’t 1950. We have the technology and a different economy.

But, governments don’t innovate. They aren’t nimble. There is a role for the private sector in reimagining education. And public education needs to be reimagined. Why are sports vital for HS? Why not just have club teams and intermural? My DD is super isolated now, and needs some in person. But, with technology would be fine only going in 2 days a week and focusing on things better done in person. Maybe our schools don’t need to be so overcrowded. Maybe there is a role for kids to be hybrid if it’s done well. Or take some classes virtually and some in person. Maybe some kids would be better in a year round school model. Maybe Asian parents want a more Asian style education. Maybe that includes telelearning from teachers in their native country.

So not an R. Just someone who thinks it’s time for schools to get out of the life revolves around average kids going to football games and proms and innovate.

Public schools are less likely to innovate if you pull the money out.

Push for change, NOT to defund schools.

Have you met our SB? They are incapable of change. Public schools aren’t innovating with a full budget. So, put the money elsewhere and let capitalism do its thing.

I'm sorry, but did you just say that the public schools have a "full budget?" What on Earth gives you that impression? Schools are underfunded.

Exactly. And pulling money out isn't going to fix anything.

Push for CHANGE - not to DESTROY public schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Question about vouchers: if public school students are given vouchers to use in private schools, what happens with students already paying for private schooling? Are all private school students then eligible for a subsidized education?

Depends on the model adopted. But usually, yes. It’s money tied to kids not schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes 100% vouchers! I’ll vote for any pro voucher candidate now. -former liberal who is livid about no school

Better than that, 100% of per pupil expenditure, money follows kids.

+1. We cannot rely on all teachers to do the right thing. Just like during this pandemic, some teachers are working their tails off and are highly effective. Some teachers give half hearted lessons or none at all and dont even try to engage the students. Some admin/teachers are fair, some biased. Some kids will thrive at their zoned school, some will not. No amount of money thrown at public schools will fix that.

What will fix it? Competition! As always! Public schools know that most parents cant afford private. With a tiered well funded system, all parents could. Public schools would have to step up or rightfully lose funding. Great schools will still be great. Horrible schools would close. And how great for the parent that feels their zoned school is low performing, plays favorites, racist, biased againd special needs, whatever. Now they dont have to put up with it. And if you dont want to drive further to a private school, you still have the choice of your public zoned school. Win, win, win!

Capitalism won't save schools.

Having good education policy will help. Teachers having a voice will help. Funding schools - especially those with special needs - will help.

Pulling money out will not save schools.

Im not trying to save schools. I'm trying to save kids! The status quo has to go. Bad schools, admin, teachers, etc. need to go.

Well, at least you're honest about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes 100% vouchers! I’ll vote for any pro voucher candidate now. -former liberal who is livid about no school

Better than that, 100% of per pupil expenditure, money follows kids.

Signed,
GOP who wants to destroy public schools

Nope. Dem who has spent a lot of time thinking about education policy this year. Our schools are a relic of the 1950s and one size fits all. This is a great chance to overhaul that, make HSs smaller and more specialized, get a better voc tech track for HS, find a way to keep AAP from being such a mess, etc. we aren’t 1950. We have the technology and a different economy.

But, governments don’t innovate. They aren’t nimble. There is a role for the private sector in reimagining education. And public education needs to be reimagined. Why are sports vital for HS? Why not just have club teams and intermural? My DD is super isolated now, and needs some in person. But, with technology would be fine only going in 2 days a week and focusing on things better done in person. Maybe our schools don’t need to be so overcrowded. Maybe there is a role for kids to be hybrid if it’s done well. Or take some classes virtually and some in person. Maybe some kids would be better in a year round school model. Maybe Asian parents want a more Asian style education. Maybe that includes telelearning from teachers in their native country.

So not an R. Just someone who thinks it’s time for schools to get out of the life revolves around average kids going to football games and proms and innovate.

Public schools are less likely to innovate if you pull the money out.

Push for change, NOT to defund schools.

Have you met our SB? They are incapable of change. Public schools aren’t innovating with a full budget. So, put the money elsewhere and let capitalism do its thing.

I'm sorry, but did you just say that the public schools have a "full budget?" What on Earth gives you that impression? Schools are underfunded.

Exactly. And pulling money out isn't going to fix anything.

Push for CHANGE - not to DESTROY public schools.

We have been. Teachers have been threatening to quit and rank the system since last summer. If they can tank the system, I should be able to get my kids out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes 100% vouchers! I’ll vote for any pro voucher candidate now. -former liberal who is livid about no school

Better than that, 100% of per pupil expenditure, money follows kids.

Signed,
GOP who wants to destroy public schools

Nope. Dem who has spent a lot of time thinking about education policy this year. Our schools are a relic of the 1950s and one size fits all. This is a great chance to overhaul that, make HSs smaller and more specialized, get a better voc tech track for HS, find a way to keep AAP from being such a mess, etc. we aren’t 1950. We have the technology and a different economy.

But, governments don’t innovate. They aren’t nimble. There is a role for the private sector in reimagining education. And public education needs to be reimagined. Why are sports vital for HS? Why not just have club teams and intermural? My DD is super isolated now, and needs some in person. But, with technology would be fine only going in 2 days a week and focusing on things better done in person. Maybe our schools don’t need to be so overcrowded. Maybe there is a role for kids to be hybrid if it’s done well. Or take some classes virtually and some in person. Maybe some kids would be better in a year round school model. Maybe Asian parents want a more Asian style education. Maybe that includes telelearning from teachers in their native country.

So not an R. Just someone who thinks it’s time for schools to get out of the life revolves around average kids going to football games and proms and innovate.

Public schools are less likely to innovate if you pull the money out.

Push for change, NOT to defund schools.

Have you met our SB? They are incapable of change. Public schools aren’t innovating with a full budget. So, put the money elsewhere and let capitalism do its thing.

I'm sorry, but did you just say that the public schools have a "full budget?" What on Earth gives you that impression? Schools are underfunded.

If a school system has the money to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a motivational speaker during a pandemic. I would argue they are overfunded. Seems like that money would buy a lot of plexiglass.

Agree;!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes 100% vouchers! I’ll vote for any pro voucher candidate now. -former liberal who is livid about no school

Better than that, 100% of per pupil expenditure, money follows kids.

+1. We cannot rely on all teachers to do the right thing. Just like during this pandemic, some teachers are working their tails off and are highly effective. Some teachers give half hearted lessons or none at all and dont even try to engage the students. Some admin/teachers are fair, some biased. Some kids will thrive at their zoned school, some will not. No amount of money thrown at public schools will fix that.

What will fix it? Competition! As always! Public schools know that most parents cant afford private. With a tiered well funded system, all parents could. Public schools would have to step up or rightfully lose funding. Great schools will still be great. Horrible schools would close. And how great for the parent that feels their zoned school is low performing, plays favorites, racist, biased againd special needs, whatever. Now they dont have to put up with it. And if you dont want to drive further to a private school, you still have the choice of your public zoned school. Win, win, win!

Capitalism won't save schools.

Having good education policy will help. Teachers having a voice will help. Funding schools - especially those with special needs - will help.

Pulling money out will not save schools.

Im not trying to save schools. I'm trying to save kids! The status quo has to go. Bad schools, admin, teachers, etc. need to go.

Well, at least you're honest about it.

NP— what’s the issue teachers look out for themselves only. Why shouldn’t I look out for my kid? She cant afford another year like this. I wanted my kid in a good public. I’ve had kids in FCPS for years. But this year has been eye opening. Teachers want what’s best for teachers, not schools. FCPS can recover from a bad year. But, it can’t recover from the loss of community trust. And honestly, I don’t trust teachers with my kids anymore. Time for a divorce.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem I see is that there just won’t be enough good schools to go around! Suppose I am looking for a school where I like the demographic, the reputation, and the test data, will there be a spot for me? It’s not a coincidence that good schools are mostly overcrowded. What if they were allowed to accept from outside of their boundaries?
At the same time low performing schools sit underenrolled and even close sometimes.

Why should anyone have to go to a crappy school?

Yeah no, what I mean is: there is never any spots in good, free schools. Not sure if vouchers will immediately lead to the increase in good schools.